Mike Piazza is doing a story for Howard 100 news and he needs your help.

Let your voices be heard. Did you see Barry Bonds reality show on ESPN - "Bonds on Bonds?"

Are you more sympathetic towards Barry Bonds since watching his show? Let him know what you think.

Fuck him.. And dont try to say he didnt do/does steroids.

Hey guys, make sure to point this thread out in the Ferral listening thread for today

FUCK BONDS AND FUCK THE GIANTS!!! He is no Hank Aaron!!!!

Bary Bonds is a hack!!!!!! A flim flam! A sham!!!!!!!! A fucking Beef Stew!!!!!! He thought he had the world by the balls baby but he pulled the wool over our eyes see!

NO SHOW FOR YOU! :nono:

Feedback, ill give you feedback BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! I pray to christ that happens when that fuckin cheater breaks the record.I hope he gets a standing boovation.That would be awesome.

i think that he's through.

What's wrong with Steroids ? If they enhance the performance?

What about Viagra- or look at all our great artists and musicians that did their greatest work under the influence`
of something` alcohol drugs whatever--
why did Russia always win the Gold back in the day`` Let him be just like Artie

WTF does this have to do with Howard Stern. Howard will take the news away within the year :p

It was a good show, I tuned in. I must be one of the few though, as it got an awful .7 rating.

Still, fuck Barry Bonds.

As a Giants fan I don't care anymore. Everyone around here knew something was up in the late 90's and hoped to get a ring out of it before the cat was out of the bag. We saw it in the 80's with the A's and in the 70's with the Raiders so it was nothing new in the Bay Area sports culture. It would be nice to get a championship and have him retire just so the nonsense following the Giants would end. I'll still watch the home run chase and support the Giants. If 20 years going to games at Candlestick couldn't chase me off, a steroid scandal certainly won't.

Btw- I did watch the show and it didn't change my POV. He always brings the kids in front of the camera or has some emotional outburst to get public sentiment on his side, while continuing his normal ways. He likes to use the press when it benefits him and will shun them all the rest of the time. A perfect example was his pre-game show he had on KNBR a few years ago that he refused to participate on anymore about half-way through the season. Once the questions got tough, he had his outburst and blamed the media for the walkout. Typical Bonds behavior.

As a Dodger fan it's time for Barry to take his punishment :spankin:

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I dont understand how he hasnt already taken his punishment? For the idiot Jason, no one is trying to say he didnt take steroids, its a known fact. In facts its such a known fact that there is no more new news on him, its just trying to further prove he did it and jumping on the band wagon to bash and write books on him. I still find it funny that most of you can sit there and talk shit about him just because he is the most displayed athlete in baseball with this case, if one of your beloved athletes were caught you'd be crying like bitches. For instance if your a dodger fan, how can you sit there and think Gagne might not have taken steroids, the guy was a chump prior to 2002, but once that 2002 season hit he was throwing 4 mph higher on his fast ball and became the most dominant closer in baseball. What a coincidence that all this steroid talk comes up around that same time of 2001-2002. God forbid you ever think of that, and God forbid your beloved "wild thing" ever did steroids, but you gotta at least think about it. He may never even be looked at and he may have never done it either, but I have as much a strong case as a lot of other people that just go picking out people taking steroids. I personally think if you really want to go after a certain type of player, it should be the pitchers. The pitchers are the ones that can easily get away with taking steroids. How so? When taking a minimal amount it can help with recovery of the muscles rather than bulking up, which of course would be a helpful tool for a pitcher trying to stay in top form aaaaall season long.

Now as for the Bonds on Bonds show, you dont have to like him, you dont have to all of a sudden become a fan, but you have to realize the shit he goes through everyday. Boo him all you want, thats part of baseball but at least look at the death threats, the racisism and the scrutiny he has to go through 365 days out of the year, its absurd. I guarentee anyone of you internet surfing, 9-5 guys would buckle under pressure and cry for mama if you had to go through a week of what he has to go through. He is human, thats all I have to say.

Lastly regardless of the fact wether he took it knowingly or not, the time he took the steroids was a time when they werent banned in baseball. No were in the rule book did it say they couldnt take that stuff, so you cant take his records away. With that in mind too what makes you think no one else didnt follow through with that attitude. Baseball needed a boost since the hold out that one season and they got it with all the dominant pitching and hitting that went on. Bud Selig turned his head and enjoyed the money that came in, now the pussy has the ordasity to bring up a huge investigation just because a fuckin book came out and everyone grilled him! I say fuck Selig if you want someone to be mad at for really corrupting baseball, old greedy fuck, im out.

:D

He is just like Danny Bonaduce. He is on Steriods like him, but bonds dosn't admitt to it.

The Bonds show seemed like an infommercial for himself. I think Bonds is the greatest hitter in the last 20 years, steroids or no steroids. I think the show went over a lot of what I already knew he's been put through the last couple of years. It's a shame that his intense need for privacy has turned so many people off. Just like many other provocative people in recent times, I don't think the media minds poking and prodding him until he turns into a jerk. How your perceived by someone is many times how the person producing the story wants you to be seen. I think being brought up in the game by his father, Bobby, and his godfather, Willie Mays, that Barry has seen the ugliness of the way some fans and sportswriters treat players. I wish Barry would have treated the media and fans differently in his early career so that he might be spared what he is going through now. This player should be praised for his accomplishments and not for an error in judgement that he like many other players (Canseco? McGwire? Sosa? Palmeiro? Giambi? Sheffield? Dykstra? etc) made in the mid-80's , 90's and 2000's. Remember, for all of the circumstantial evidence that Barry Bonds did take steroids he NEVER has failed a MLB drug test.

FUCK BONDS AND FUCK THE GIANTS!!! He is no Hank Aaron!!!! hank arron? shit bonds isn't even in the same league that griffey jr. is in

He has tarnished the game. No amount of pr can change that.

Bonds wasnt alone taking the roids, look around the league at all the guys who lost a ton of weight and power last year, everyone must have noticed how small Ivan Rodriguez got...why is everyone holding him to a higher standard than every other player during the "steroid era"?

Bonds deserves the slack and crap that he gets, we have to start somewhere now in cleaning up baseball and why not go to the top and start with Bonds?

I think 2 kids were busted last year for steroid use and nothing much was made of it because they were small time MLB players, EVEN Palmerio got busted and it wasnt as big as it should be. Take out the big man Bonds and lets show everyone else that we are serious about cleaning up baseball and any other sport.

This player should be praised for his accomplishments and not for an error in judgement that he like many other players (Canseco? McGwire? Sosa? Palmeiro? Giambi? Sheffield? Dykstra? etc) made in the mid-80's , 90's and 2000's. Remember, for all of the circumstantial evidence that Barry Bonds did take steroids he NEVER has failed a MLB drug test.

2 things

1. The star players get told in advance when their "suprise" test will be and have time to cheat the test.

2. Giambi is the only active player to fess up publically and he did take alot of slack for it.

The biggest roid abuser in recent memory (other than Bonds) is Brady Anderson. He came out of nowhere 1 year and 1 year only with ripped arms and so on and hit hit like 51 homers as a leadoff hitter! never topped 32 before and after that magic year. This was also when 50 homers was a big thing!

I'm not overly sympathetic to Bonds, regardless of the show. He seems to be a miserabl human being, for absolutely no reason. He is a talented baseball player that has grown up with wealth and priveledge.

As for the steroids thing--I have no problm with him or any other pro athelete using them. If they want to risk their lives for some more fame and money that is their choice. Now, if a leage says it is banned and you are caught then you must pay the price. Although, it seems that he was never caught by MLB--and there really wasn't rules against what it was he is accused of taking.

Bonds deserves the slack and crap that he gets, we have to start somewhere now in cleaning up baseball and why not go to the top and start with Bonds?

I think 2 kids were busted last year for steroid use and nothing much was made of it because they were small time MLB players, EVEN Palmerio got busted and it wasnt as big as it should be. Take out the big man Bonds and lets show everyone else that we are serious about cleaning up baseball and any other sport.

why not hold them all to the same standards instead of putting the weight of a league wide problem on one man's shoulders?

don't get me wrong, I'm no Bonds fan. I just feel there is an agenda by the sports media, whether its the home run record or because of the way Bonds has treated the media that has made him the easiest target

those 2 kids getting busted was a joke, it seemed baseball was trying to send a warning to the other players they were serious without hurting the reputation of a veteran, look what happened to Palmiero when he got caught..........

The hardest part about trying to even get behind (haha) Barry is that he is a complete dick to his teammates. I think that is a good measure as to want kind of person you are and not one teammate he has ever had says good things when the camera is turned off, as for his new show I did watch it and thought the show was good , but in no way did it make me feel sorry for him if anything I feel bad for his kids, because in about 15 years when his body is full of cancer or massive tissue damage and he dies slowly in front of them, he will question should he have checked to see it that cream he was rubbing on his arms was really flack seed oil.

If he would just come out and admit it then maybe people would give him a little slack. As it is, he is coming off as just a complete ass and nobody should have any sympathy for him. It takes a bigger man to admit he made a mistake, and a little crybaby to just sit and hope it all goes away with time, which is what he is doing.

I saw the episode and it was better than i thought it would be. Considering Bonds had complete control over content, I was suprised so much of it had to do with the steriod issue. And the fact that I actually learned something about Bonds amazed me...the stuff with his dad was touching. The stuff about his kid was interesting, when people kept asking him about the steriod thing on his way to a hearing about his kid...and he was like, as if I give a fuck about this...I have more important things to think about right now. That was real interesting.

But, no, I'm not any more sympathetic to Bonds. I still believe he did steriods. He was the best player in baseball before he did them, and a sure-fire hall of famer. The video of him with Pittsburgh and when he first signed with San Fran was staggaring...he was soooo skinny. That photo of the skinny kid someone posted as a joke wasn't too far off...he was skinny. The new Barry...not so much. And he looks like his body is wasted...watch the clip of him walking off from his Dad's grave...that's scary man...his knee is messed up, and that's a classic Steriod injury man...

by the way, how about the irony of having Mike Piazza do a story about Bonds?

It's amazing the hateful emotional outbursts that even the mention of Barry Bonds name brings out in people. Yet they'll all be watching as he goes after the record this year. Fucking losers. The game was rife with steroid users for years. Focusing all this rage on one guy is just ridiculous no matter how big an asshole he may be.

The hardest part about trying to even get behind (haha) Barry is that he is a complete dick to his teammates. I think that is a good measure as to want kind of person you are and not one teammate he has ever had says good things when the camera is turned off, as for his new show I did watch it and thought the show was good , but in no way did it make me feel sorry for him if anything I feel bad for his kids, because in about 15 years when his body is full of cancer or massive tissue damage and he dies slowly in front of them, he will question should he have checked to see it that cream he was rubbing on his arms was really flack seed oil.


Gee, how is it that you are able to spend so much time in the Giants clubhouse and see firsthand how Bonds treats his teammates? Are you a trainer or something?

There are too many words here--bye

He has tarnished the game. No amount of pr can change that.


The game tarnished itself. The McGwire/Sosa HR duel and Bonds breaking the record later on was all good for baseball in terms of publicity and money. If the owners were really interested in keeping the game clean of steroids they would've instituted bans long ago.

I read the excerpt in Sports Illustrated from the new book that was developed from public records regarding the BALCO investigation (Victor Conte and Bond's Trainer). If you haven't seen it, read it. I can't believe Bonds can say he never knowingly took steroids without lightning striking him.

Bonds made his own bed...It'll be a crime when they put him into the Hall of Fame

No amount of excuses can change the basic facts. Bonds used steroids for years, he's an asshole of a human being, and he's tarnished the image of the game. The fact that other players have used steroids doesn't excuse their behavior, or Bonds. The man is a cheat and a liar, and he's a racist as well. Fuck 'em. He's made his own bed of shit, now he has to lie in it.

No amount of excuses can change the basic facts. Bonds used steroids for years, he's an asshole of a human being, and he's tarnished the image of the game. The fact that other players have used steroids doesn't excuse their behavior, or Bonds. The man is a cheat and a liar, and he's a racist as well. Fuck 'em. He's made his own bed of shit, now he has to lie in it.


His records will still count, douchebag. They will never be removed or asterisked unless somebody can turn over a video of Bonds shooting up that is dated from the period(s) in question.

I apologize in advance for the wordiness of this post and that it isn’t directly on point of Mutt’s original post. This thread has taken a turn towards the steroid issue and I feel this issue isn’t as cut and dry, as right or wrong, cheating vs. fair play as some people state.

There is no black and white. Steroids weren’t banned until last year. One could argue that MLB encouraged steroid use by failing to address the obvious usage among some of its brightest stars.

Very few of us here could say unequivocally that our morals or ethics (whichever you think this falls under) are so strong that we could say without a doubt we would not make the same decision that presumably Bonds and possibly hundreds of other players made.

Consider this:

What percentage of players do you think were on steroids?

You’re a major leaguer:

A) You are a bubble guy, and other bubble guys are juicing to get more power. The only way you can stay competitive enough to stay in the Majors is to start juicing yourself. Do you give in or do you start thinking about whether you want to sell cars or insurance? Keep in mind that playing baseball has been your passion since you were a boy. You also have a family to support and in most cases you will never be able to replace the income you are or can make in MLB.

B) You are an elite player, putting up great numbers and your salary is among the top few players. If you continue at your current pace you will probably be inducted into the hall of fame and continue to make money that only the elite players will make. Then you notices other players on your talent level begin to use steroids and start passing you in stats which effects your position in baseball history as well as your potential income. Do you start juicing so you will continue to be considered one of the elite of your time, do it for the money, or both? Or do you stay strong; let other people gain an unfair advantage which will possibly cost you your rightful spot in the Cooperstown as well as millions of dollars.

fuck bonds, he sucks.
old man !

fuck the giants also!
willie mays should fucking disown the piece of barry!
hank aaron has got to be fucking laughing!
f-bonds oh by the way- f-bonds
GO YANKEES

I think he's a reasonably intelligent person and a phenomenal athlete. Too bad he's a giant asshole. And the steroids? He was a Hall of Famer before he took 'em, he's still a Hall of Famer after he took 'em. In fact, some sportswriters have said that he might have close to the same number of career HR's if he HADN'T juiced, just cause he lost so many games to steroid induced injuries the last few years. Of course, this is assuming that he would still be hitting 30-40 homers a year in his late 30's without the juice, which is debatable, but hey, if anyone could do it, it would be Bonds.

I apologize in advance for the wordiness of this post and that it isn’t directly on point of Mutt’s original post. This thread has taken a turn towards the steroid issue and I feel this issue isn’t as cut and dry, as right or wrong, cheating vs. fair play as some people state.

There is no black and white. Steroids weren’t banned until last year. One could argue that MLB encouraged steroid use by failing to address the obvious usage among some of its brightest stars.

Very few of us here could say unequivocally that our morals or ethics (whichever you think this falls under) are so strong that we could say without a doubt we would not make the same decision that presumably Bonds and possibly hundreds of other players made.

Consider this:

What percentage of players do you think were on steroids?

You’re a major leaguer:

A) You are a bubble guy, and other bubble guys are juicing to get more power. The only way you can stay competitive enough to stay in the Majors is to start juicing yourself. Do you give in or do you start thinking about whether you want to sell cars or insurance? Keep in mind that playing baseball has been your passion since you were a boy. You also have a family to support and in most cases you will never be able to replace the income you are or can make in MLB.

B) You are an elite player, putting up great numbers and your salary is among the top few players. If you continue at your current pace you will probably be inducted into the hall of fame and continue to make money that only the elite players will make. Then you notices other players on your talent level begin to use steroids and start passing you in stats which effects your position in baseball history as well as your potential income. Do you start juicing so you will continue to be considered one of the elite of your time, do it for the money, or both? Or do you stay strong; let other people gain an unfair advantage which will possibly cost you your rightful spot in the Cooperstown as well as millions of dollars.


Way to go, Spaulds. You are clearly a level-headed and reasonable person.

His records will still count, douchebag. They will never be removed or asterisked unless somebody can turn over a video of Bonds shooting up that is dated from the period(s) in question.

Hey douchebag,

Bonds f**king cheated. What about that do you not understand? You're obviously okay with that. Major Baseball and the majority of fans no longer are. What you don't acknowledge is that Bond's created this problem. Not the media, not the fans, not baseball.

He does not belong in the same breath as Ruth, Aaron, or Mays. Just my opinion. Bonds, McGuire, Sosa, et al will all be a major asterisk in the history of major league baseball.

P.S. GFY! You can figure it out. :D

Mike Piazza is doing a story for Howard 100 news and he needs your help.

Let your voices be heard. Did you see Barry Bonds reality show on ESPN - "Bonds on Bonds?"

Are you more sympathetic towards Barry Bonds since watching his show? Let him know what you think.

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I watched the show, and will continue to watch the show in the coming weeks.

I expected the program to be a pro-Bonds propaganda tool, created by his P.R. department. But ESPN did a great job interviewing people like Jon Miller, and Peter Gammons, who were actually allowed to honestly express their feeling's about Barry.

I realize Barry created all the negativity that surrounds him by treating people so poorly in the past.

I also feel sorry for him because so many people know what a jerk he is.

The power of the press can make you a star, ( and hide your faults from the public), or if you piss them off enuff, they will expose you for the schmuck you really are.

Barry made his bed by mistreating so many people for so many years.

The guy has made a shitload of $$$$$ over the years, but I feel what he truly desires is the love of the public. Sadly, the public is ready to turn their collective back's on Barry for being a cheating asshole.

Now that he's ready to break Ruth's, and Aaron's records, a lot of baseball fans just don't care about Barry, or his tainted records............

he shouldn't be playing

I worked for the Giants from 1987-1994. I dealt with him, his dad and many others. I even knew Mike Piazza. I have many stories and experiences however baseball has tarnished itself with it's lack of testing. There was very little done back then when it came to testing. They are now realizing that the is more to the situation. Why do you think Mark McGuire left so early. You noticed Sammy Sosa has disapeared from the spotlight. Jason Giambi is not the same player he was when he was in Oakland. Bonds has been surrounded by contraversy for quite awhile. His divorce from Sun his first wife, he was not well liked by fans and teamates due to his rude personality. He has made his bed and will now lie in it forever surrounded by doubt and questions for the rest of his life!!!!

Fuck Farry Fonds
I hope his balls shrink to nothing and he dies young.
It would serve that cheater right.
And he still doesn't have a championship ring...haha :D

Fuck all you haters. Bunch of whiny pussies. I'll laugh at you every time Barry drives one over the wall into McCovey Cove. Bwahahahahahaha! Fuckin' losers.

Hey douchebag,

Bonds f**king cheated. What about that do you not understand? You're obviously okay with that. Major Baseball and the majority of fans no longer are. What you don't acknowledge is that Bond's created this problem. Not the media, not the fans, not baseball.

He does not belong in the same breath as Ruth, Aaron, or Mays. Just my opinion. Bonds, McGuire, Sosa, et al will all be a major asterisk in the history of major league baseball.

P.S. GFY! You can figure it out. :D


Right, you expressed an opinion. And it's a bone-headed one based purely on emotion and not on the realities of the situation. Unless Bonds is caught red-handed, his records will stand. There were too many players doing steroids (including pitchers) during this period with MLB turning their back on the whole affair because these stars helped publicize the game and fill up the seats. They cannot go after just one guy when they are complicit in the whole thing. Yes, Bonds will live in baseball infamy due to his own actions but MLB is in no position to take away his accomplishments. If you think Barry Bonds is illegitimate and a black eye on baseball then you have to consider the past 10-15 years and any records set during that time to also be illegitimate, because you have no idea who was doing what. It's even known that during Aaron's era many players used amphetamines to "get up" for games. Is that cheating... perhaps a way that helped Cal Ripken, Jr. play in all those consecutive games? Who knows? Do you?

Now go fuck yourself.

he had had a bad ROID attitude with the fans and his fellow team mates before the roid thing became public. F- Him

mbrin, doesnt take a genius to realize that Bonds put himself into the situation that he's in as far as steroid controversy. So thanks for doing the same thing that every other media person has done, prove nothing new. This post was suppose to be on the show but like what was mentioned this has now turned into a steroid argument.

I'm not necessarily a Barry Bonds fan, or a Giants fan. Hell, I hardly like baseball. But as a fan of football, pro wrestling, and bodybuilding, (all sports rife with steriods), I'm sick of Barry Bond's name getting dragged through the mud.

Face it. Steriod use exists in all pro sports and in the Olympics, and only an unlucky few athletes get caught. Usually, it is only high-profile athletes that do, even though most are to blame. Not to mention the coaches and owners who encouraged this behavior post-strike. Now they're leaving the athletes who helped bring baseball back alone to twist in the wind.

Bonds is only in the spotlight because he has had a great career. He is a victim of his own success. America loves to build up stars, just to tear them down, helping all of the Joe Schmoz out there feel better about their own lack of accomplishments. Shame on you, America. :mad:

I would find it funny if pitchers didn't give Bonds anything to hit so he wouldn't have the opportunity to approach Hank Aaron's record.

Steroids or no steroids the guy can flat out play ball. Even if he did take what they say he took at the time he took them, they were'nt illeagal then. Kinda' like the FCC creating new laws now and going back in time to fine Howard for what he did in the past, which at the time was ok.

Steroids or no steroids the guy can flat out play ball. Even if he did take what they say he took at the time he took them, they were'nt illeagal then. Kinda' like the FCC creating new laws now and going back in time to fine Howard for what he did in the past, which at the time was ok.

like CBS going back after the fact and saying, "Howard, despite the fact we could have easily prevented you from talking about eh eh eh, by hitting the dump button or suspending you or letting you go. Or maybe even an odd concept of simply being men and asking you not to discuss it. We have now decided we didnt want you to talk about eh eh eh on our air waves so pay us some money or we are going to sue you."

Right, you expressed an opinion. And it's a bone-headed one based purely on emotion and not on the realities of the situation. Unless Bonds is caught red-handed, his records will stand. There were too many players doing steroids (including pitchers) during this period with MLB turning their back on the whole affair because these stars helped publicize the game and fill up the seats. They cannot go after just one guy when they are complicit in the whole thing. Yes, Bonds will live in baseball infamy due to his own actions but MLB is in no position to take away his accomplishments. If you think Barry Bonds is illegitimate and a black eye on baseball then you have to consider the past 10-15 years and any records set during that time to also be illegitimate, because you have no idea who was doing what. It's even known that during Aaron's era many players used amphetamines to "get up" for games. Is that cheating... perhaps a way that helped Cal Ripken, Jr. play in all those consecutive games? Who knows? Do you?




Some problems with your arguement. First, Baseball has said it will do a comprehensive overview of steroid use during the so-called steroid era. Bonds is not the only one being investigated, so its inaccurate to say they're going after one guy. And remember, he's chasing one of the most cherished records in the game. That more than anything is what's drawing the attention.

I agree with you that MLB was complicit for years in turning the other way while many stars of the game were juiced up. If MLB wants Bonds, McGuire, Palmero and others to take responsibility for taking Cow Hormones, MLB, the Players, and the Player's Union should take responsibility for looking the other way for so many years.

Final Point: I'm truly a huge baseball fan. I worshiped Henry Aaron as a little kid. I always thought he was a great player and a classy guy. A true credit to the game. I think Bonds is Henry Aaron's polar opposite. I think he's an egomanical, racist, fucking shithead. So yeah, I guess a component of my arguement is emotional.

Whether or not Bonds and others who juiced up will make the Hall of Fame....who knows? What I do know is that I will never see any of them is the same light as the Aarons, Mantles, Mays, etc. Just my opinion. :)

The chickens are coming home to roost Bonds!!! U roided out punk. I hope your friggin heart stops and they take away your record. Shame on you and shame on MLB for not stopping this sooner!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

I don't know how you can take away someone's records when there was no rule against it...

I don't know how you can take away someone's records when there was no rule against it...

Hear! Hear!

I wonder why all you assholes who have something negative to say about Barry don't slam the steroid users on your favorite teams? There's plenty of them. It's not like Bonds is the only player who ever used them. Could it be that you haters are punk-assed bitches who are jealous of his acomplishments?

He's always been a dick to his fans regardless of whether or not he's done the roids. Mark McGuire obviously did them but was still great to the fans. No one hated him to the degree they hate Bonds. That has a lot to do with it. It's called Karma, baby.... :ec:

He's always been a dick to his fans regardless of whether or not he's done the roids.

Bullshit. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Give me one example where Barry has "been a dick to his fans."

Luckily for you, you have half an hour to come up with a good excuse for being wrong.

Steroids have been abused by many players on every team while MLB chose to look the other way.

Haven't heard much about the juiced ball theory lately. Was that a MLB plant to distract us from the truth of why HR production went way up?

Steroids or no steroids the guy can flat out play ball. Even if he did take what they say he took at the time he took them, they were'nt illeagal then.

I don't know how you can take away someone's records when there was no rule against it...

Bzzzzt. Steroids (and all illegal drugs) have been illegal in MLB since 1991, but there was no testing until recently.

I would find it funny if pitchers didn't give Bonds anything to hit so he wouldn't have the opportunity to approach Hank Aaron's record.


Well, fuck, I just got back from the Giants/Brave game today (Giants win in the bottom of the 9th!!!!!) and they didn't give Bonds much to hit. Bobby Cox seems to be scared shitless of Bonds.

Some problems with your arguement. First, Baseball has said it will do a comprehensive overview of steroid use during the so-called steroid era. Bonds is not the only one being investigated, so its inaccurate to say they're going after one guy. And remember, he's chasing one of the most cherished records in the game. That more than anything is what's drawing the attention.

I agree with you that MLB was complicit for years in turning the other way while many stars of the game were juiced up. If MLB wants Bonds, McGuire, Palmero and others to take responsibility for taking Cow Hormones, MLB, the Players, and the Player's Union should take responsibility for looking the other way for so many years.

Final Point: I'm truly a huge baseball fan. I worshiped Henry Aaron as a little kid. I always thought he was a great player and a classy guy. A true credit to the game. I think Bonds is Henry Aaron's polar opposite. I think he's an egomanical, racist, fucking shithead. So yeah, I guess a component of my arguement is emotional.

Whether or not Bonds and others who juiced up will make the Hall of Fame....who knows? What I do know is that I will never see any of them is the same light as the Aarons, Mantles, Mays, etc. Just my opinion. :)


That's fine. However, I think MLB's "investigation" is merely a way to save face and keep Congress off their ass (why would they be involved anyway????). I don't think much will come of it unless they're going to take down a bunch of the managers and owners who knew this stuff was going on.

He's always been a dick to his fans regardless of whether or not he's done the roids. Mark McGuire obviously did them but was still great to the fans. No one hated him to the degree they hate Bonds. That has a lot to do with it. It's called Karma, baby.... :ec:


That is true. Bonds has always been hated for whatever reasons but his attitude doesn't help. Whatever. I've always kinda liked him because I always feel for those who are getting piled up on, and Bonds has always been piled on by the media and fans... even years before any of this steroid shit came up. I realize that being a Giants fan makes me even more sympathetic. But, if you lived in the Bay Area and have witnessed everything Barry has done for the Giants franchise and for baseball in this area, then you'd probably understand.

Bullshit. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Give me one example where Barry has "been a dick to his fans."

Luckily for you, you have half an hour to come up with a good excuse for being wrong.


That's true... he's mostly been a dick to the media, which is probably justified as they've always treated him pretty badly because he's not cooperative with them.

That's fine. However, I think MLB's "investigation" is merely a way to save face and keep Congress off their ass (why would they be involved anyway????). I don't think much will come of it unless they're going to take down a bunch of the managers and owners who knew this stuff was going on.


You make a real good point here. Maybe baseball is scapegoating Bonds to cover up their own shit. Nobody complained when Sosa and McGuire were filling seats after the strike. To me, the whole thing is just sad. I hope baseball finally cleans itself up, but I wouldn't count on it.

whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

96 padres*
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people have selective hearing when it comes to this bonds steroid witch hunt.

Bonds on Bonds actually makes me think less of Barry...telling his daughter if she wasn't 6 years old and cute that he could kill her...real nice...also going on about how his dad was a drunk and abusive etc. and then saying he's "doing it for dad"...moron

Watching Bonds on Bonds moved Barry ahead of Kobe in my most hated pro athletes.

I think it's funny. When he was "on top of the world" and didn't have the steriod cloud hanging over him, he would barely even speak to the media. Now, everyone is supposed to embrace him. F him.

(I wonder why all you assholes who have something negative to say about Barry don't slam the steroid users on your favorite teams? There's plenty of them. It's not like Bonds is the only player who ever used them. Could it be that you haters are punk-assed bitches who are jealous of his acomplishments?)


Then get rid of all cheaters I don't give a damn who they play for. Steroid use by professional athletes sets a bad example to the younger Generation

(I wonder why all you assholes who have something negative to say about Barry don't slam the steroid users on your favorite teams? There's plenty of them. It's not like Bonds is the only player who ever used them. Could it be that you haters are punk-assed bitches who are jealous of his acomplishments?)


Then get rid of all cheaters I don't give a damn who they play for. Steroid use by professional athletes sets a bad example to the younger Generation



Oh no, the children... we must save the children!!!! Give me a break.

Maybe when the kids see all these roid heads dying young from tumors and blown out livers and shit they'll learn to refrain.

No one was bitch'n about Mark M. and Sammy S. during the H-run race. You can't blame these guys for wanting to be the best. Period. The guy has a huge chip on his shoulder for a reason. I've seen him at Dodger games and it AINT PRETTY. I've never seen anybody take so much shit from a stadium in my life. He just wanted to be the best. You can't blame Greatness for wanting to be the best. Tiger Woods uses altered clubs and his own Nike balls in order to be the best. He might not be on steroids, but his equipment is. They both practice and work hard to be great. -----------------Seriously some of you people are missing out on enjoying what is truly amazing to watch. He changes the game and it's fun to watch. The show showed me that he is human(tears). I couldn't understand how someone could take it all (i.e. needle thrown at him; endless shouting from the left field stands). I Tivo'd the second show.

No one was bitch'n about Mark M. and Sammy S. during the H-run race.

Exactly.


He changes the game and it's fun to watch.

It's just entertainment. Get over over yourselves, haters.

yea i feel a little sorry for him after watching the show, i mean the guy started out wanting to play baseball and the fans and the pressure made him do steroids but lets keep this in mind guys STEROIDS WERE NOT ILLEGAL IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL WHEN HE WAS TAKING THEM.

You know damn well Griffey can't stand on a ladder to kiss Bonds ass!

No one was bitch'n about Mark M. and Sammy S. during the H-run race. You can't blame these guys for wanting to be the best. Period. The guy has a huge chip on his shoulder for a reason. I've seen him at Dodger games and it AINT PRETTY. I've never seen anybody take so much shit from a stadium in my life. He just wanted to be the best. You can't blame Greatness for wanting to be the best. Tiger Woods uses altered clubs and his own Nike balls in order to be the best. He might not be on steroids, but his equipment is. They both practice and work hard to be great. -----------------Seriously some of you people are missing out on enjoying what is truly amazing to watch. He changes the game and it's fun to watch. The show showed me that he is human(tears). I couldn't understand how someone could take it all (i.e. needle thrown at him; endless shouting from the left field stands). I Tivo'd the second show.


Exactly, dude. Bonds is the biggest presence in baseball and he's damn entertaining to watch. When he comes to bat there isn't an eye off the action, whether they're playing in SF or on the road. Most of these haters like to spew venom but they're watching him like everybody else. I gotta say though that at the Braves/Giants game yesterday it was a little hard watching Barry chasing flies in the outfield knowing how wrecked his knees are. It just looked painful. And he's not hitting right now, which is a bit of a concern. I know, I know, it's only two weeks into the season but it does make me wonder how much longer he can go. I see him probably overtaking Ruth but I don't know if he'll be able to reach Aaron unless he can go the AL and be a DH.

Find any decent studies out there that say steriod use is an epidemic among high school kids. Most of the polls taken on the subject indicate that America is looking at an "epidemic" of a few thousand, with the highest estimates being still under 100,000. Compare that to the millions of kids caught up in alcohol and recreational drug use.

This witch hunt is a result of the government losing the "war on drugs". So to appear as if they're doing something useful, they latch onto an unimportant issue that most people do not understand on any level, but can still jump onto a high horse about......

Oh no, the children... we must save the children!!!! Give me a break.

Maybe when the kids see all these roid heads dying young from tumors and blown out livers and shit they'll learn to refrain.

Thats the problem, the memory of Big Bad Barry Bonds in the prime of his life will be burned into their collective brains. You obviously don't have kids.

Thats the problem, the memory of Big Bad Barry Bonds in the prime of his life will be burned into their collective brains. You obviously don't have kids.


If you have kids and you notice they're spending inordinate amounts of time at the gym and are growing in size at an accelerated rate then you have to deal with your kids. It's not Barry Bonds' fault.

Ferry Bonds is a racist pussy.....fuck him in his black ass!!! :D

Actually, I do have a 4 year old. And as long as he has me to explain things like steriod to him, I'm not to worried about Barry Bonds hurting his future. That's my responsibility to teach him shit, and if parents don't teach their kids the right shit, then that's the parent's fault.

yea i feel a little sorry for him after watching the show, i mean the guy started out wanting to play baseball and the fans and the pressure made him do steroids but lets keep this in mind guys STEROIDS WERE NOT ILLEGAL IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL WHEN HE WAS TAKING THEM.

See post #60. :hw:

Ferry Bonds is a racist pussy.....fuck him in his black ass!!! :D glad to know that HE is the racist and not YOU!!!

He's a fraud...his stats are trash...my playstation stats are more honest.

Barry isn't having a good year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2407968&univLogin02=stateChanged

Excerpt from story:
CNN reported Thursday that the federal government is investigating whether Bonds committed perjury when he testified during his grand jury testimony in the BALCO case in 2003.

Bonds, who testified before a San Francisco federal grand jury looking into steroid use by top athletes, has repeatedly denied knowingly using performance-enhancing drugs.

Two books being released this spring accuse Bonds of using steroids, human growth hormone and insulin for at least five seasons beginning in 1998.

It's called piling on.

On the brighter side, Barry did almost hit two out today and did pick up his first RBI of the season. Hopefully he's finding his stroke.

How do I feel about Barroid B***s?Asterisk this you cheating scumbag! Can't wait to let him know in person when I attend several Dodgers-Giants games at Chavez Ravine In July. A true Philadelphia welcome.

On the brighter side, Barry did almost hit two out today :rolleyes: If he were STILL on roids his "almost" would have been bye bye :hw:

Some problems with your arguement. First, Baseball has said it will do a comprehensive overview of steroid use during the so-called steroid era. Bonds is not the only one being investigated, so its inaccurate to say they're going after one guy. And remember, he's chasing one of the most cherished records in the game. That more than anything is what's drawing the attention.

I agree with you that MLB was complicit for years in turning the other way while many stars of the game were juiced up. If MLB wants Bonds, McGuire, Palmero and others to take responsibility for taking Cow Hormones, MLB, the Players, and the Player's Union should take responsibility for looking the other way for so many years.

Final Point: I'm truly a huge baseball fan. I worshiped Henry Aaron as a little kid. I always thought he was a great player and a classy guy. A true credit to the game. I think Bonds is Henry Aaron's polar opposite. I think he's an egomanical, racist, fucking shithead. So yeah, I guess a component of my arguement is emotional.

Whether or not Bonds and others who juiced up will make the Hall of Fame....who knows? What I do know is that I will never see any of them is the same light as the Aarons, Mantles, Mays, etc. Just my opinion. :)
EVERYONE SHOULD READ THE POST THAT I QUOTED ABOVE!

CNN reported Thursday that the federal government is investigating whether Bonds committed perjury when he testified during his grand jury testimony in the BALCO case in 2003.

Bonds, who testified before a San Francisco federal grand jury looking into steroid use by top athletes, has repeatedly denied knowingly using performance-enhancing drugs.


Also, The mentally retarded that claims steroids weren't illegal when he took them needs to reavaluate themselves.

Steroids have ALWAYS been illegal.It's a controled substance and posession is punishable by law.Same with Heroin,Crack, coke,etc...

Is Barry above the law? :funny:
Not only did he cheat and tarnish baseball, he LIED to a FEDERAL grand jury.... How can anyone defend him after that?

The hardest part about trying to even get behind (haha) Barry is that he is a complete dick to his teammates.


I've known Ray Durham since he played in Chicago and he's never said anything but nice things about Barry inside and out of the clubhouse. Also Sidney Ponson who played the second half of 2004 there also never had a bad word to say about him.

Then get rid of all cheaters I don't give a damn who they play for. Steroid use by professional athletes sets a bad example to the younger Generation


Raise your kids yourself and you wont have to worry about the influence of pro atheletes.

The hardest part about trying to even get behind (haha) Barry is that he is a complete dick to his teammates.

How the fuck would you know?

A true Philadelphia welcome.


You mean with your asscheeks lubed up and spread wide?

:rolleyes: If he were STILL on roids his "almost" would have been bye bye :hw:


EVERYONE SHOULD READ THE POST THAT I QUOTED ABOVE!

CNN reported Thursday that the federal government is investigating whether Bonds committed perjury when he testified during his grand jury testimony in the BALCO case in 2003.

Bonds, who testified before a San Francisco federal grand jury looking into steroid use by top athletes, has repeatedly denied knowingly using performance-enhancing drugs.


Also, The mentally retarded that claims steroids weren't illegal when he took them needs to reavaluate themselves.

Steroids have ALWAYS been illegal.It's a controled substance and posession is punishable by law.Same with Heroin,Crack, coke,etc...

Is Barry above the law? :funny:
Not only did he cheat and tarnish baseball, he LIED to a FEDERAL grand jury.... How can anyone defend him after that?


I kinda put it in the same category as NOT CARING about President Clinton's perjury simply because I don't think these are things Grand Juries need to be grilling people about. They're personal matters and not necessarily pertinent to the cases at hand. The Grand Jury that Barry testified for was looking into BALCO and it's owner, not trying to find out if Bonds was a steroid user. Just as Clinton's Grand Jury was not looking into whether he boinked an intern. If I was Barry or Clinton I probably would've lied as well.

Raise your kids yourself and you wont have to worry about the influence of pro atheletes.


Yea Ok "Sir Charles" You guys are all a bunch of Morons. Sports stars are Role Models whether they like it or not! It goes with the job, Making millions, Idol of millions! All cheaters should get run from the sport period. Screw Bonds and all his fans!!!!

Yea Ok "Sir Charles" You guys are all a bunch of Morons. Sports stars are Role Models whether they like it or not! It goes with the job, Making millions, Idol of millions! All cheaters should get run from the sport period. Screw Bonds and all his fans!!!!


My nephew is 8-years-old and is a Barry Bonds fan. I don't hear him asking about steroids or talking about using them just like Barry. He's well aware of the problems associated with it all because his Dad took the time to explain it to him.

A true Philadelphia welcome.

A true Philadelphia welcome? It's funny how "the most knowledgeable sports fans" fail to remember that the success of the 1993 Phillies was probably due to steroid use. Ask any one of the fans who their favorite player is and quite a few would say Lenny Dykstra. Ask the Mets' fan what Dykstra's build was when he was with them? You could go down the roster of that team and find that the "career years" that most of the team had, robably wouldn't have happened without the use of steroids.

My point is that we've all rooted and cheered for a steroid user whether we know it or not. Look at a MLB roster at any point in the late 80's, 90's, or even the very early 00's and you can pick out suspects like a police line-up. Back in the day I loved the Bash Brothers and the A's, now that I look at that team the foundation was McGwire and Canseco, both suspected users.

Barry is just getting the ultimate bashing because of his arrogance. And the media, like vultures, have been circling around him for years waiting for him to crack so they can bury him.
One thing that will not change is the Bonds IS a hall of fame player. Sure his numbers have sky rocketted. But check out the stats before 1998, he's a first ballot HOF'er. The first test will be next years HOF vote with McGwire eligible for the first time. Look at those results and see how the "fair and balanced" media will choose their vote.

A true Philadelphia welcome.

A true Philadelphia welcome? It's funny how "the most knowledgeable sports fans" fail to remember that the success of the 1993 Phillies was probably due to steroid use. Ask any one of the fans who their favorite player is and quite a few would say Lenny Dykstra. Ask the Mets' fan what Dykstra's build was when he was with them? You could go down the roster of that team and find that the "career years" that most of the team had, robably wouldn't have happened without the use of steroids.

My point is that we've all rooted and cheered for a steroid user whether we know it or not. Look at a MLB roster at any point in the late 80's, 90's, or even the very early 00's and you can pick out suspects like a police line-up. Back in the day I loved the Bash Brothers and the A's, now that I look at that team the foundation was McGwire and Canseco, both suspected users.

Barry is just getting the ultimate bashing because of his arrogance. And the media, like vultures, have been circling around him for years waiting for him to crack so they can bury him.
One thing that will not change is the Bonds IS a hall of fame player. Sure his numbers have sky rocketted. But check out the stats before 1998, he's a first ballot HOF'er. The first test will be next years HOF vote with McGwire eligible for the first time. Look at those results and see how the "fair and balanced" media will choose their vote.


Good post -- very well-reasoned and sensible, not just some emotional outburst as how so many react when discussing Barry Bonds.

As someone has said previously, steroids have been illegal in baseball for years (as well as illegal in society at large without a doctor's order). The union prevented testing until recently. That's been the problem.

If any players used steroids (and many have) they shouldn't get in the hall-of-fame. Bonds should not be the only one singled out.

Good point. And further more, look at Arnold, Hulk Hogan, etc., all of those previous steriod users from the 1970's. When you could get steriods from your doctor, as MANY athletes did for 20 years, there was no controversy, and furthermore, no side effects. Why? Because youe were MEDICALLY SUPERVISED!!!!!!!!!!!!

Banning steriods hurt sports and society more than inventing them ever did.

Barry is the scapegoat for all the other baseball players that have done steroids. The difference between Bonds and the others is that he is known for shunning the press. Now they're after him big time. If you go after Bonds, then you go after everyone else as well.
I say leave Bonds alone and GO GIANTS!

Barry is the scapegoat for all the other baseball players that have done steroids. The difference between Bonds and the others is that he is known for shunning the press. Now they're after him big time. If you go after Bonds, then you go after everyone else as well.
I say leave Bonds alone and GO GIANTS!

No, what get's B.B. in trouble is his arrogance,and the way he treats people.

He's a spoiled liar who is so self-absorbed, it's pathetic...................

He is nothing but a cheater. I hope that congress puts his dumb ass in jail for that line of crap he called testimony

good luck to them in proving it, it's a claim is all it is, they can say whatever they want was well but they have to prove 100% that he is guilty. Not 99% or any less, because with those trials its gotta be without a doubt guilty. Of course people would jump all over this the second it comes out, they could say Bonds is under suspicion of shooting a young white girl and you all would be "he deserves to go to jail because he shot a girl". It's absurd, just fucking watch baseball and quit being bitches and jumping on the presses dick everytime they shoot something out of their mouth.

honestly how can you prove someone guilty on what they think, he said he didnt know it was steroids he was taking. How can you prove he did know, unless they somehow have taped conversations of him saying "man i love taking these steroids" then they have no case.

wish he would just retire..If he breaks Aaron's recore,it will be disgusting

Guy, that really unfair to say about me! Dont u guys know me crying like a 3yr old means im telling the truth. Iv already been hurt (wah wah wah boo hoo). But dont foget the players of today are facing steroid pumping pitchers that Hank Aaron didnt face. Bonds and Pete Rose forever!!!

ok this thread has officially jumped the shark

Guy, that really unfair to say about me! Dont u guys know me crying like a 3yr old means im telling the truth. Iv already been hurt (wah wah wah boo hoo). But dont foget the players of today are facing steroid pumping pitchers that Hank Aaron didnt face. Bonds and Pete Rose forever!!!



Barry, I want you to know that I believe you. It really was flaxseed oil...... :D

MBRIN-thx man, I knew someone out there would be on my side....who'd a thunk those pills a physical trainer was giving were steroids, i thought they were pills for making my voice sound like my buddy Mike Tyson, u know so i could intimidate those other players, u know i can eat children too!

he had had a bad ROID attitude with the fans and his fellow team mates before the roid thing became public. F- Him

It wasn't riods that gave him a bad attitude, He was an asshole when he was a rookie with the pirates

MBRIN-thx man, I knew someone out there would be on my side....who'd a thunk those pills a physical trainer was giving were steroids, i thought they were pills for making my voice sound like my buddy Mike Tyson, u know so i could intimidate those other players, u know i can eat children too! Least funny mult ever :rolleyes:

all of you must have forgotten that Steroids wern't illegal in the 90's. If you could take something now to improve your performance at work and be leagal you would do it too.

all of you must have forgotten that Steroids wern't illegal in the 90's. If you could take something now to improve your performance at work and be leagal you would do it too. No, steroids were illegal.........illegal as in AGAINST THE LAW! Just because they weren't in the rulebook as banned substances they were in the lawbooks of banned substances. He is a criminal and a cheat. Fuck him and all the other cheats.

Thats the problem, the memory of Big Bad Barry Bonds in the prime of his life will be burned into their collective brains. You obviously don't have kids.

Why is it Barry Bonds's fault if your kids become roid heads? Try to mix in a little parenting. whats next you're going to get mad at superman because you kid jumped out the 2nd story window because he thought he could fly. I never can understand why people always blame stars for thier kids problems. If you pay attention to them instead of throwing them in front of the baby-sitter in the box you're kids might not become messed up

No, steroids were illegal.........illegal as in AGAINST THE LAW! Just because they weren't in the rulebook as banned substances they were in the lawbooks of banned substances. He is a criminal and a cheat. Fuck him and all the other cheats.

Not All roids were Illegal and you and I weren't there giving him the "juice" so who is to say he didn't use the ones that weren't banned.

Not All roids were Illegal and you and I weren't there giving him the "juice" so who is to say he didn't use the ones that weren't banned. Go ahead and continue to defend him, I don't have time to educate the retarded.

Go ahead and continue to defend him, I don't have time to educate the retarded.

He hasn't done anything that most players haven't. Including McGwire and Sosa. Your pissed he's going to break the record. quit hate'n

ok this is my take on it. Who the Fuck cares about Barry Bonds and Roids . There Soldiers dieing everyday in Iraq , How about this, putting there names in the paper and paying tribute to real American Hero's. Barry Bonds is a sports athlete , he plays a game for a living and if he wants to poison his own body and hit moster bombs into the Bay then so be it. There are so many other important things going on in the world right now we dont need to hear about Bonds 24-7.
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With everything else going on in the world, do we really have to focus on this crap......We have Men fighting to stay alive in foreign countries, children being molested and men with many wives (in Utah) and our "panties arte in a bunch" over Bonds. BIG FRIGGIN DEAL

The war shit is a copout plain and simple. Post what you really want and defend that assclot Bonds like you want to.

Listen we know that there is a war going on. We are told every day. It would be nice if it fucking ended but it isn't. Be that as it may. This is the sports forum. lets keep on topic. If you want to talk war. go to the politics forums.

Barry Bonds? He's a black guy? I think it's racism, how many blacks do you know can afford steroids?

Don't worry guys, Bonds is falling apart daily.


The roids and horse roids+cream are doing their job.





Hey Barry, how do you like these marbles!

There are too many words here--bye

Words is hard. I want my mommy.

Barry Bonds? He's a black guy? I think it's racism, how many blacks do you know can afford steroids?
I know you were trying to be funny! but it wasn't funny and was just down right stupid!

FUCK BONDS...

That fucker cheated on every record he beat... They should delete all of his records and throw him into Pete Rose Prison

hank arron? shit bonds isn't even in the same league that griffey jr. is in

I'm not defending Barry Bonds or anything, but don't be an asshole, saying he was never as good as Griffey, Jr.? Come on now. He probably did use steroids over a little stretch, but only like over a 1/5 of his 20 + year carrer. Let's not forget, the man did have multiple MVP's (like 4 I think), gold gloves, batting titles, and any other baseball related award you could imagine. I mean he had like 400+ homers and almost 3,000 hits even before he even got massive and took the juice. He was a perrennial all-star and proverbial 5- TOOL player. All this shit he accomplished before the juice. So he was going to the Hall of Fame regardless of the juice or not, the juice just boosted his power numbers. I mean shit, the juice can't make a motherfucker hit a 99 mph Billy Wagner fastball on the outsdie corner of the plate. The man was just blessed with the gift for playing baseball. Yes, he used the juice for a time, but don't act like he wasn't shit without it, cuz he was still one of the best when he was weighing 190 lbs.

I'm not defending Barry Bonds or anything, but don't be an asshole, saying he was never as good as Griffey, Jr.? Come on now. He probably did use steroids over a little stretch, but only like over a 1/5 of his 20 + year carrer. Let's not forget, the man did have multiple MVP's (like 4 I think), gold gloves, batting titles, and any other baseball related award you could imagine. I mean he had like 400+ homers and almost 3,000 hits even before he even got massive and took the juice. He was a perrennial all-star and proverbial 5- TOOL player. All this shit he accomplished before the juice. So he was going to the Hall of Fame regardless of the juice or not, the juice just boosted his power numbers. I mean shit, the juice can't make a motherfucker hit a 99 mph Billy Wagner fastball on the outsdie corner of the plate. The man was just blessed with the gift for playing baseball. Yes, he used the juice for a time, but don't act like he wasn't shit without it, cuz he was still one of the best when he was weighing 190 lbs.


Good post!

I'm not defending Barry Bonds or anything, but don't be an asshole, saying he was never as good as Griffey, Jr.? Come on now. He probably did use steroids over a little stretch, but only like over a 1/5 of his 20 + year carrer. Let's not forget, the man did have multiple MVP's (like 4 I think), gold gloves, batting titles, and any other baseball related award you could imagine. I mean he had like 400+ homers and almost 3,000 hits even before he even got massive and took the juice. He was a perrennial all-star and proverbial 5- TOOL player. All this shit he accomplished before the juice. So he was going to the Hall of Fame regardless of the juice or not, the juice just boosted his power numbers. I mean shit, the juice can't make a motherfucker hit a 99 mph Billy Wagner fastball on the outsdie corner of the plate. The man was just blessed with the gift for playing baseball. Yes, he used the juice for a time, but don't act like he wasn't shit without it, cuz he was still one of the best when he was weighing 190 lbs.


You're right....Bonds was always a very, very, good player. But the all time Home Run King? Passing legends like Ruth and Aaron? I don't think so.


That's the shit that's pissing people off. Not the color of his skin, or the fact he's an asshole, or the fact he's a lying sack of shit.


Bottom Line: Bonds is no Hank Aaron or Babe Ruth. Nothing will ever change that.

Well, looks like Barry is up to a 400 average and 3 homers in the last 6 games. I dont even car what the man did anymore, you guys are rediculous, so in the words of Barry Bonds for all you haters, "shhh, just sit back and enjoy it." BTW, he did hit all those home runs, you werent imagining it and no matter how he did it, none of you cocksuckers can take that away from him. But by all means, sit back, get your popcorn ready, and enjoy the show baby!

I've been a Giants fan since I moved to the Bay Area in 1975. Barry is God around here. We all know he does roids. We don't care. He cheats. We don't care. He hits home runs. We go nuts. I made up my mind to support him this year. I reconciled that by changing my opinion on steroids. They should be leagalized. If people want to grow hair in strange places that's their choice. I mean, geez, look at all the drugs and alcohol characters in the Howard universe do. Shuli admits he's a pot head. He could go to jail for that.

BTW, I met Barry once in a local establishment and talked to him for about 5 minutes. This was pre-roids Barry. He was very aloof at first but I warmed him up after making how great he was the focus of conversation. My opinion of 5 minutes of time with him? He was sorta jerky and in to himself but he wasn't a bad guy. That description would fit a majority of people.

You're right....Bonds was always a very, very, good player. But the all time Home Run King? Passing legends like Ruth and Aaron? I don't think so.


That's the shit that's pissing people off. Not the color of his skin, or the fact he's an asshole, or the fact he's a lying sack of shit.


Bottom Line: Bonds is no Hank Aaron or Babe Ruth. Nothing will ever change that.

Get the fuck outta here with that garbage. Bonds is no Aaron, but Babe Ruth wasn't half the player Bonds is. Please, it's not even close. Ruth could hit, that is it. Ruth was not a 5 - TOOL player, he was barely a 1 - TOOL player. He played in an era where the quality of hitting was a lot better than pitching as well. You mean to tell me, Babe Ruth was a better all round player than Barry Bonds was???? Please, you gotta be shitting me!!

It's so great now how the Giants finally have a strong bat hitting after Barry (Moises Alou) who is making opposing teams pay for walking Barry. Now walking Barry isn't such an easy option and pretty soon they're gonna have to start pitching to him.

You know, I used to think that Bonds was an asshole because thats is all I used to hear about him but I gotta say that I was wrong. The only reason he is made out to be the bad guy is because he doesnt like the media, why should he thought, they are bloodsuckers. San Francisco never truly appreciated Willie Mays until he retired and he saw all of that growing up around him and Willie McCovey and his father Bobby. The reason I will always think Barry is a good guy is because two years ago while my 8 year old cousin was doing his little "work out" he saw Barry Bonds and asked him for his autograph, not only did he get an autograph but Barry actually took 30 minutes to hang out with him and talk to him about baseball. I got a lot of respect for him because he is my cousins hero, he understood that and he made his day by spending time with him when he really didnt have to. You can all have your opinions, but that is mine and nobody can change it, I dont even care what he did anymore, he is still a great baseball player and if you say that he isnt, then there isn't nothing you could say to me that would make any sense cause you might as well say that you are an idiot and you dont know shit about baseball.

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Get the fuck outta here with that garbage. Bonds is no Aaron, but Babe Ruth wasn't half the player Bonds is. Please, it's not even close. Ruth could hit, that is it. Ruth was not a 5 - TOOL player, he was barely a 1 - TOOL player. He played in an era where the quality of hitting was a lot better than pitching as well. You mean to tell me, Babe Ruth was a better all round player than Barry Bonds was???? Please, you gotta be shitting me!!


Do you even know baseball? Ruth won almost 100 games as a fucking pitcher. His lifetime batting average is .342. The guy could hit for power, hit for average, and had a cannon for an arm.....And he did it all without horse hormones. Get your head out of your ass.

Do you even know baseball? Ruth won almost 100 games as a fucking pitcher. His lifetime batting average is .342. The guy could hit for power, hit for average, and had a cannon for an arm.....And he did it all without horse hormones. Get your head out of your ass.


Bonds did all that too even before the steroids (except for the pitching). Plus, Ruth played during an era with no black or international players and before players had work out and strengthening regimens like modern-day players have. Do you really think Babe Ruth could pitch successfully against today's players or would hit as well as he did against modern-day pitchers? I'm not denigrating Ruth or saying he wasn't a stud but there are different eras in sports and it's very difficult to compare these players on a one-to-one basis. For example, if Albert Pujols was playing during Ruth's era he might've hit 1000 HRs!!! Who really knows?

Bonds did all that too even before the steroids (except for the pitching). Plus, Ruth played during an era with no black or international players and before players had work out and strengthening regimens like modern-day players have. Do you really think Babe Ruth could pitch successfully against today's players or would hit as well as he did against modern-day pitchers? I'm not denigrating Ruth or saying he wasn't a stud but there are different eras in sports and it's very difficult to compare these players on a one-to-one basis. For example, if Albert Pujols was playing during Ruth's era he might've hit 1000 HRs!!! Who really knows?


Excellent point!! No shit right. Ruth was the shit during his era, but his era doesn't compare to this one. You mean to seriously tell me that Ruth was a better player than Bonds?? You're a fuckin' idiot to believe that. Yeah I know Ruth was a good pitcher, but the key word is BACK THEN!! During this era, with all that goes into it, it totally different than this. You think inhis era that had starting pitching, short relief, long relief, and a fuckin' horse for a closer!! Like my man just posted, there were no international players back then, no black players back then, VIRTUALLY NO COMPETITION!!! The whites in the majors were scared to even play the Negro Leaguers back then, cuz they knoew they would be emberassed. Ever heard of Josh Gibson, he fuckin' hit 96 homers in one fuckin' season, off better pitching, which was in the Negro Leagues, check your history. Any baseball historian will tell you that he was a much better player than Ruth. I don't even wanna get started, cuz I have too much to say. Look at the Latin players, who runs baseball today, the Dominicans (which happen to be my people)!!! You think if Latin and black players played back then, would we even fuckin' know who Babe Ruth is today??? What if Pedro or Mariano Rivera pitched back then, just think????? Manny would hit like .500, and Big Papi would have like 80 homers and shit. Fuckin' A-Rod would go off for like a .900 slugging percentage and shit. Matter of fact, I'm done with this conversation, it's a wasteof my time. Fuckin' the Babe better than Bonds ever was, youshould wash your mouth out for even making the comparision.

Excellent point!! No shit right. Ruth was the shit during his era, but his era doesn't compare to this one. You mean to seriously tell me that Ruth was a better player than Bonds?? You're a fuckin' idiot to believe that. Yeah I know Ruth was a good pitcher, but the key word is BACK THEN!! During this era, with all that goes into it, it totally different than this. You think inhis era that had starting pitching, short relief, long relief, and a fuckin' horse for a closer!! Like my man just posted, there were no international players back then, no black players back then, VIRTUALLY NO COMPETITION!!! The whites in the majors were scared to even play the Negro Leaguers back then, cuz they knoew they would be emberassed. Ever heard of Josh Gibson, he fuckin' hit 96 homers in one fuckin' season, off better pitching, which was in the Negro Leagues, check your history. Any baseball historian will tell you that he was a much better player than Ruth. I don't even wanna get started, cuz I have too much to say. Look at the Latin players, who runs baseball today, the Dominicans (which happen to be my people)!!! You think if Latin and black players played back then, would we even fuckin' know who Babe Ruth is today??? What if Pedro or Mariano Rivera pitched back then, just think????? Manny would hit like .500, and Big Papi would have like 80 homers and shit. Fuckin' A-Rod would go off for like a .900 slugging percentage and shit. Matter of fact, I'm done with this conversation, it's a wasteof my time. Fuckin' the Babe better than Bonds ever was, youshould wash your mouth out for even making the comparision.


Absolutely, bro! You make an even stronger case that the eras are in no way comparable. I didn't even know about that guy in the Negro leagues you mention. Pretty amazing stuff.

i live in the bay area and have been goin to giants games since 1993. we love him out here and always will. whether he took steriods or not if you know anything about baseball you know jus because your strong doesnt mean you cant hit a ball. he was the first 40-40 man long long before any steriods. you still need the HAND-EYE-COORDINATION to hit a homerun. ALSO, his swing is mechanically perfect giving him a greater chance to hit homeruns. so stop hatin beezys and enjoy the show!!!!!!!

Absolutely, bro! You make an even stronger case that the eras are in no way comparable. I didn't even know about that guy in the Negro leagues you mention. Pretty amazing stuff.


Both you guys are fucking baseball retards. Josh Gibson has been in the Hall of Fame for years. Many consider him the greatest player of the Negro Leagues. As to comparing eras...that's just fucking stupid as well. Was Jim Brown a better running back than Walter Payton? Was Ty Cobb a better hitter than Tony Gywnn?

Ah...shit, Fuck It! I'm just wasting my time.......

Both you guys are fucking baseball retards. Josh Gibson has been in the Hall of Fame for years. Many consider him the greatest player of the Negro Leagues. As to comparing eras...that's just fucking stupid as well. Was Jim Brown a better running back than Walter Payton? Was Ty Cobb a better hitter than Tony Gywnn?

Ah...shit, Fuck It! I'm just wasting my time.......


My point was that you CAN'T compare eras. You seem to support this notion with your post yet you're the retard saying Ruth is a far greater player than Bonds.

your head does not grow that damn big from "Working out"

It amazes me how some people say that Bonds passing Ruth is not a big deal - it's like they know nothing of Ruth and how legendary that 714 mark really is.

Hank Aaron didn't cheat. Hank Aaron didn't make himself look like a victim.

Barry Bonds has no dignity. If hehad any, he would have retired before getting to this point.

Babe Ruth is an American legend - Barry Bonds, in contrast, is a cheater, and an embarrassment. His inevitable passing of the Babe in the all-time home runs list will be a disgrace.

I would feel this way if McGwire or Sosa were in this position - but the reason people really hate Bonds is because he is a royal asshole, who makes himself look like a victim. I don't like him one bit and although I hate Philadelphia, I was extremely pleased to see the hostile reception that Bonds had yesterday from Phillies fans.

They ripped him a new one - and the syringe-throwing incident in Bonds' first game this season was awesome! :D

Barry Bonds can go to hell. :mad:

I would feel this way if McGwire or Sosa were in this position

Sure you would, you fucking noob playa-hayta. Go fuck yourself.

Barry Bonds can go to hell.

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HUMM BABY! GO GIANTS!!! to all you BARRY haters...i dare you to do what the phila radio hosts asked his fans to do, to walk out on Barrys at-bats...I watched the game and NOBODY and i mean NOBODY left their sit for his at-bat. flash bulbs goin off EVERY swing. I DARE you haters to walk out when barrys batting...itll never happen! say all you want but when barry is up you sit your ass down and watch him!!!! from my fellow BAYdestrians...WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA barrys gonna pass the babe WAAAAAAAAAAAA :fu: :rdf:

fuck bonds....babe did it on beer and soda...lol

HUMM BABY! GO GIANTS!!! to all you BARRY haters...i dare you to do what the phila radio hosts asked his fans to do, to walk out on Barrys at-bats...I watched the game and NOBODY and i mean NOBODY left their sit for his at-bat. flash bulbs goin off EVERY swing. I DARE you haters to walk out when barrys batting...itll never happen! say all you want but when barry is up you sit your ass down and watch him!!!! from my fellow BAYdestrians...WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA barrys gonna pass the babe WAAAAAAAAAAAA :fu: :rdf:

Just to follow up about people hating Bonds. Bonds is coming to Pittsburgh end of July. All these people try to act like they don't know he will be there and are picking that series at random. They all want to sit in right field all the seats there are pretty much gone. The two main promotions are a fireworks night and a bobblehead. For fireworks right field are the worst angle to view the fireworks, everyone tries to sit on the left (plenty of seats available on the left). For bobbleheads people mostly want the cheapest seat (plenty of 9.00 seats and most of them are again on the left side).They say they hate Bonds but want to sit in right field. He is baseball's biggest draw, no one person playing to day brings in more people to a ballpark.

FUCK BARRY BONDS!!!!!!!!!!

HUMM BABY! GO GIANTS!!! to all you BARRY haters...i dare you to do what the phila radio hosts asked his fans to do, to walk out on Barrys at-bats...I watched the game and NOBODY and i mean NOBODY left their sit for his at-bat. flash bulbs goin off EVERY swing. I DARE you haters to walk out when barrys batting...itll never happen! say all you want but when barry is up you sit your ass down and watch him!!!! from my fellow BAYdestrians...WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA barrys gonna pass the babe WAAAAAAAAAAAA :fu: :rdf:


He's still a fucking asshole........

He learned how to hit from his dad, Bobby Bonds Sr. He has a younger brother that used to play for the Firebirds Bobby Bonds Jr. I don't know if he still does. Anyone know what he's doing? Has he made it to "The Show" yet?