http://www.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2006_05_31/siriusprice.asp

Sirius Price To Go Up, Exec Promises


Speaking today in New York at the Bernstein Strategic Decisions conference, Sirius EVP/CFO David Frear squashed any hints that Sirius might raise its monthly $12.95 service fee, commenting, "Raise prices? It was not a hint. We said we will raise prices, we just haven't said when. But prices will go up."

Frear justified the increase, saying, "Our service launched at $12.95 with 100 channels. We've added 33 channels. It is a much richer content offering than what we brought to market five years ago." Examples of the added and varied content, Frear said, were Howard Stern, Martha Stewart, a Catholic channel, the Playboy channel and NASCAR racing.

While Frear did not reveal details on when any new price structure would take effect, he also made it clear that Sirius would at some point launch a separate fee structure for streaming Sirius programming on the Internet. He noted that Stern's show has the potential for a particularly large streaming audience but that the subscription radio provider needs to work out the technological kinks in servicing such a large crowd.

And while Frear claimed Sirius is "the best radio on radio," he said, "less than half of the people in the country are able to name us on an unaided basis." But he argued that is a indication of growth potential for the company.

Frear also stressed that Sirius is focused on bringing down the cost of acquiring subscribers — it's dropped from an original $293 to about $110 per subscriber today — and said while Sirius has about 4 million subscribers, it figures that there are "2.2 listeners per subscription," putting Sirius' total audience at about 9 million.

Asked about FCC concerns about satellite receivers' emissions, Frear said Sirius receiver manufacturers' engineers met with Sirius and FCC engineers "about two or three weeks ago, they made the appropriate changes and our receivers are corrected the emission problems and our radios are rolling out of the plants now."

— Jeffrey Yorke, R&R Washington Bureau Chief


Even at $20 a month is a bargain to me

Well FUCK!

Sorry, Howard, but I won't go for $20 a month unless they scrap the commercials. They made his $500 million deal at the $12.95 price point--they don't need to get greedy.

bastards

I can understand why they want to. Im sure they won't raise it to $20, but if they bump it up a dollar or two I won't care.

fUCK fUCK fUCK

Wow.

"how big are ya balls?"

Talk about arrogance...

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wow! my $500 lifetime subscription was the smartest move yet!!! wooooohooooo!!!

No fee rise for me.

its on other threads too... im not willing for 20 a month but up to 15 i can live with it... but then i have the lifetime sub too...

Sorry, Howard, but I won't go for $20 a month unless they scrap the commercials. They made his $500 million deal at the $12.95 price point--they don't need to get greedy.

Scrap commericals? Try having more commericals. The minute they think they can get away with more commericals, they'll be more. Count on it.

Yea i think 20 bucks is a bit excessive especially for a college student like me. One or two doesnt make much of a difference to me

i dont see how they plan to add millions more at a price over $12.95/month. If they were to raise to $15, they better add 100 more channels of music.

SIRIUS is getting greedy. Im sure they have bills up the ass to pay and not necessarily stuffing their pockets, but damn!!! More than $12.95 for the avg. subscriber is a bit much.


Again, i love my $500 lifetime sub!

wow! my $500 lifetime subscription was the smartest move yet!!! wooooohooooo!!!

No fee rise for me.

me too i figured id be listening to howard for 5 years so it was gonna be worth it in the long run

the only way we get fucked is there is a $75 transfer fee to a new receiver only allowed 3 times

Sorry, Howard, but I won't go for $20 a month unless they scrap the commercials. They made his $500 million deal at the $12.95 price point--they don't need to get greedy.

They've been talking about this for over a year that I know of. All of their projections, including when they signed Howard's contract, were based on the plan that they would raise the price at some point. We're probably getting close now, but I'd guess next year. I read Mel K speculate in the range of an extra $2 per month.

what a bunch of crap!


they wouldn't have did this if they didn't get all of these subscribers just flow in like that.

MP3 players are the ultimate competition to Sirius, not XM. Other than Howard, I use my S50, in large part, for pre-recorded music--much of it music I've downloaded or ripped.

Sirius can raise their prices, thinking that it's just them versus XM, but that would go down in history as one of the all time stupidest business moves of all time.

Here they are growing, and poised to become the leader, and they go and raise prices, killing the momentum they've struggled to earn, and fuck it all up in the process.

Greed may end up hurting them.

well so much for the 43 cents a day rationale

Where in the article did it say the price would rise to $20? I see it nowhere so any price increase would be a guess.

You lifetime subscription people think your immune? Stand by.

I only listen for Howard and thats it.
I buy CD's for music.

Where in the article did it say the price would rise to $20? I see it nowhere so any price increase would be a guess.

It doesnt, nobody said it was going to $20. However I feel even at $20 its a bargain. I listen to alot more then just Stern, I love the service.

I am however in my car for about 8 hours a day.

wow! my $500 lifetime subscription was the smartest move yet!!! wooooohooooo!!!

No fee rise for me.

Yep true to that :)

maybe i should get a second radio and do another lifetime on that one as well :)

Fuck that! I already pay to much to hear Howard. 2 units 13$ each and 14$ for Howard TV. Holy shit don't they realize XM is lowering their price?

what a bunch of crap!


they wouldn't have did this if they didn't get all of these subscribers just flow in like that.


Read my last post. This has been built into their plan for a long time. What service do you know that stays at the same price forever?

Yep true to that :)

maybe i should get a second radio and do another lifetime on that one as well :) 0

lifetime option is dead you lose

I got sirius and the hype was that online would be available online to subscribers
I'm thinking great keep the unit in the car listen over my pc at home....

20 bucks i'm gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they talk about all the channels they added , i only listen to howard 100 and howard 101 so why shouldn't i get a discount, they are just a bunch on money hungry assholes, the playboy channel who really listens to that trash they got on that channel

Like Martha Stewart brought in subscribers. Who the fuck does he think hes kidding. Trying to use Howard as "new content" and an excuse to raise prices is bullshit. If Howard hadnt of signed they would still be charging 12.95 forever but to only 600K subscribers. This is nothing but fucking greed. If they raise the prices more than a dollar or two Ill cancel my second reciever and just stream at work.

You lifetime subscription people think your immune? Stand by.
Exactly, I bought the lifetime AND THEN found out it only applies to the radio and NOT ME. :mad:

wow! my $500 lifetime subscription was the smartest move yet!!! wooooohooooo!!!

No fee rise for me.

hopefully your radio won't break in the next year or two.... to those who don't know, it's for the lifetime of your radio, not your lifetime....

I have 4 subscriptions, the main one, one in each car and one boombox at work. This could get expensive. And, I've been waiting for streaming, apparently naively thinking it would be included in the subscription. Oh well, I'm already bending over for the oil companies - guess I'm well prepared for any SIRIUS greed that comes my way.

I have 2 receivers...one w/ a lifetime subscription, and one w/ a second subscription that Sirius is charging me less than $5 for.

I'd pay another $5 a month for Sirius. I came here for Stern, but I'd be a subscriber if he left tomorrow. I'm sold. Count me in as someone who isn't really bitching about a price increase.

It is pretty expensive now, I mean its nice everything is uncensored and fewer comericals... but for 13 bucks it better be like that... if it goes up anymore, i think people will be cancelling there subscriptions. this would not be a good move on there part. I think they might do better to have it at 10 bucks, ( so its cheaper than XM) and people see XM at 13 bucks , and sirius at 10, they might go for the cheaper ( and better )

They shouldn't raise prices until the get rid of all the lame DJs and program directors on the music channels to cut costs.

$20 would be excessive. $15.00 they could probably get away with, but seriously they should think about throwing in 15 second commercials every 3 songs or so. They should have more live Sirius "events" like they did on Area 33 to create a buzz.

$20 would be excessive. $15.00 they could probably get away with, but seriously they should think about throwing in 15 second commercials every 3 songs or so. They should have more live Sirius "events" like they did on Area 33 to create a buzz.

Any commercials on the music stations and I'm outta there--even if they LOWER the price. I moved away from "free" FM because of the commercials. No way in fuck am I going to pay to hear them.

Any commercials on the music stations and I'm outta there--even if they LOWER the price. I moved away from "free" FM because of the commercials. No way in fuck am I going to pay to hear them.
agreed.

I believe you get what you pay for.... even though it sucks to pay more, I don't mind if they raise the prices as good content increases....

Any commercials on the music stations and I'm outta there--even if they LOWER the price. I moved away from "free" FM because of the commercials. No way in fuck am I going to pay to hear them.

Right! I even get annoyed when the DJ's decide to chatter too much. Just play the damn music!

Scrap commericals? Try having more commericals. The minute they think they can get away with more commericals, they'll be more. Count on it.

yup, remember when cable tv was supposed to be "commercial free" ?

Any commercials on the music stations and I'm outta there--even if they LOWER the price. I moved away from "free" FM because of the commercials. No way in fuck am I going to pay to hear them.

Word.

that would suck, but it's expected... but if/when it happens i'll prob just cancel some of my extra radios. sirius is cool and all, but i only listen to howard, when it comes to music i like to listen to my own cd/ipod mixes.

Right! I even get annoyed when the DJ's decide to chatter too much. Just play the damn music!

Thats funny I feel the same way,
I dont mind a lil chat if needed,
but Play the Music :)

they cant do it until they catch xm....cuz that would be a big marketing ploy for xm...its just the begining here...more commercials....more expensive units and higher monthly cost

It was only a matter of time. We pobably have until about a month or two after Christmas. Sucks.

they cant do it until they catch xm....cuz that would be a big marketing ploy for xm...its just the begining here...more commercials....more expensive units and higher monthly cost

i know, sirius is already $10 more than xm riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight???????

How about this, they raise the prices,
and Howard keeps takeing a week off every couple months,

how long are you all gonna keep your subscriptions?

I surely wouldnt get a second subscription.

just glad i did the lifetime,
even if i do have to transfer the lifetime to another radio,
it would still be a better deal

Any commercials on the music stations and I'm outta there--even if they LOWER the price. I moved away from "free" FM because of the commercials. No way in fuck am I going to pay to hear them.

Im with you....Id rather pay $60 more a year than hear ANY commercials ...plus I believe I read somewhere Mel K. said the music stations would always be commercial free!!!

wow! my $500 lifetime subscription was the smartest move yet!!! wooooohooooo!!!

No fee rise for me. Until your radio breaks or is stolen.....$75. fee for new set

Im with you....Id rather pay $60 more a year than hear ANY commercials ...plus I believe I read somewhere Mel K. said the music stations would always be commercial free!!!

Only until they change their minds

im starting to get a little uneasy with howard lately....he never used to charge for anything and always berated people like kiss and bill orielly for selling everything....but its not commerical free like advertised...he's gonna be takin fridays off on top of most of the summer... and howard TV is a little steep as well... just sayin

Im with you....Id rather pay $60 more a year than hear ANY commercials ...plus I believe I read somewhere Mel K. said the music stations would always be commercial free!!!
Yeah and Howard said he would never settle the lawsuit...
~just sayin^^

wow! my $500 lifetime subscription was the smartest move yet!!! wooooohooooo!!!

No fee rise for me.

for the lifetime of your "radio"

i mean i love the show to death and mean no disrespect...but this all goes back to the first lie he told us...the nose job

I get a kick out of you people who whine that a small price increase would be greedy. You have access to about 130 channels with 24/7 programming.

That's 130 X 24 hours X 30 days = 93,600 hours of programming a month that you have access to. And $15 a month for that is greedy?

Also, both Sirius and XM are still losing money. All they're trying to do is make little moves here and there to get closer to actually making a profit on this business they're running. That's not greedy.

just sayin

I bought my Chrysler 300C last year with a factory Sirius unit. As part of the deal, Chrysler pays for the 1st year of service. So as soon as I got the car, I called Sirius for info on a lifetime subscription. The cost was $350, from which they deducted what Chrysler already paid towards it and I got my lifetime subscription for $194. Nice.

i mean i love the show to death and mean no disrespect...but this all goes back to the first lie he told us...the nose job

corporate is corporate, they get paid to lie

thats the bottom line

I get a kick out of you people who whine that a small price increase would be greedy. You have access to about 130 channels with 24/7 programming.

That's 130 X 24 hours X 30 days = 93,600 hours of programming a month that you have access to. And $15 a month for that is greedy?

Also, both Sirius and XM are still losing money. All they're trying to do is make little moves here and there to get closer to actually making a profit on this business they're running. That's not greedy.

how long u worked there??

That Sirius guy might find that for most people 15 dollars a month for a radio is not really good value anymore.

It is radio not television. Cable rates and radio rates are never going to be the same. Raise the price and I am sure their growth will stop.

Also Howard pays his own way and he has many commercials on his show now. Too many. They are all the same ad run over and over as there are so few sponsers. It gets annoying especially this week when the show content is a repeat.

Don't get greedy Sirius. Keep with the growth model and if you have to stop adding new content then stop doing it. If adding another Stern channel is going to raise prices then I would be happy to stick to the existing two. I heard all the KROCK shows the first time they aired.

I ONLY LISTEN TO MY RADIO FOR HOWARD OR CHANNEL 14 "CLASSIC VINYL"
WHEN MY KIDS ARE AROUND. WHAT EVER IT COSTS IS WHAT EVER IT COSTS. THAT LIFETIME FOR THE RADIO ONLY THING DOES SUCK. I NEVER KNEW THAT. FUCKING PRICKS :cool:

im starting to get a little uneasy with howard lately....he never used to charge for anything and always berated people like kiss and bill orielly for selling everything....but its not commerical free like advertised...he's gonna be takin fridays off on top of most of the summer... and howard TV is a little steep as well... just sayin

Howard does not set the subsciption price of Sirius.

Howard NEVER said that anything but the music channels were commercial free. He always said that his show would have commercials but less than terrestrial.

not everyone can afford a raise in a monthly cost....them trying 2 get more money out of subscription is way worse than someone trying to sell me junky no spin floor mat or a eib chair...just sayin

I get a kick out of you people who whine that a small price increase would be greedy. You have access to about 130 channels with 24/7 programming.

That's 130 X 24 hours X 30 days = 93,600 hours of programming a month that you have access to. And $15 a month for that is greedy?

Also, both Sirius and XM are still losing money. All they're trying to do is make little moves here and there to get closer to actually making a profit on this business they're running. That's not greedy.

Most of us are saying a small increase is OK , but 20 a month is unacceptable.

I get a kick out of you people who whine that a small price increase would be greedy. You have access to about 130 channels with 24/7 programming.

That's 130 X 24 hours X 30 days = 93,600 hours of programming a month that you have access to. And $15 a month for that is greedy?

Also, both Sirius and XM are still losing money. All they're trying to do is make little moves here and there to get closer to actually making a profit on this business they're running. That's not greedy.

You know they could have 100,000 hours of programing a day and guess what? I can only listen to 4 of them at the most. Stupid arguement.

And they are gonna charge for the streaming?? Thats bullshit.

When the price goes up it will be time for me to leave. I was going to buy a second radio but I think I will wait and see.

I get a kick out of you people who whine that a small price increase would be greedy. You have access to about 130 channels with 24/7 programming.

That's 130 X 24 hours X 30 days = 93,600 hours of programming a month that you have access to. And $15 a month for that is greedy?

Also, both Sirius and XM are still losing money. All they're trying to do is make little moves here and there to get closer to actually making a profit on this business they're running. That's not greedy.
No one said $15 would be greedy, $20 would be greedy.

Howard does not set the subsciption price of Sirius.

Howard NEVER said that anything but the music channels were commercial free. He always said that his show would have commercials but less than terrestrial.

im not tryin 2 dog him...but he did market as his show being commercial free as well... the first show didnt even have any commercials...not sayin that 6 minutes of commercials is too much but if you noticed it has increased in the amount of commercial time every month

You know they could have 100,000 hours of programing a day and guess what? I can only listen to 4 of them at the most. Stupid arguement.
I listen all day and night. But they should set prices based on how much YOU can listen to? I'd say you're the one with the stupid argument.

I wouldn't mind paying an extra buck or so for Howard (and other shows not currently) streaming online. At the moment though, Howard is essentially all I listen to, and it IS available on the various torrents.

it will go from $12.95 to $14.95. Anyone who thinks they would raise it to $20 in one shot is retarded.

Since this is all speculation I'm not going to decide what I'll do until I'm actually faced with price increases. And, Howard is not SIRIUS - he works for SIRIUS. I don't believe he is responsible for price increases. I'm sure he'd say that if they start raising prices too soon it will drive people away and wouldn't be good for business in the long run. Don't blame Howard for corporate greed.

I get a kick out of you people who whine that a small price increase would be greedy. You have access to about 130 channels with 24/7 programming.

That's 130 X 24 hours X 30 days = 93,600 hours of programming a month that you have access to. And $15 a month for that is greedy?

Also, both Sirius and XM are still losing money. All they're trying to do is make little moves here and there to get closer to actually making a profit on this business they're running. That's not greedy.

you can assume most people may listen to 3-5 different channels not 130

I am one of the many who dont listen to the radio 24 hrs a day I do work and sleep everyday

so take my 8hrs a day x 5 channels x 7 days a week divided by $15/mo

now thats a lil more accurate for the general public

now explain that to the oil barrons pulling in billions in profits,
why raise the price of gas?
they too are loosing money
that why gas prices are going up

riiiiiiight

If they start raising prices, people are going to start getting real creative when choosing how to get the show. That's all I'm saying.

I listen all day and night. But they should set prices based on how much YOU can listen to? I'd say you're the one with the stupid argument.

but the die hards listen mostly 2 stern...mostly during the day...i dont give a fuck about 110 of the 133 channels

Have they set a price for streaming yet? Because I think that will be expensive too. (between 10 to 15 bucks)

im not tryin 2 dog him...but he did market as his show being commercial free as well... the first show didnt even have any commercials...not sayin that 6 minutes of commercials is too much but if you noticed it has increased in the amount of commercial time every month

No, you are completely wrong. You misunderstood. Yes, they did the first show without commercials as a special event.

The commercial time has been six minutes per hour from the beginning, with the exception of the first show.

No one said $15 would be greedy, $20 would be greedy.


Nobody from Sirius said $20. The orginal poster Dickie Small added his personal comment that he wouldn't mind $20. Mel K has talked in the past about an increase of a couple bucks. He said that was how much they believed they could raise it with only a small percentage of dropped subscriptions. They know that if they go higher than that, the cancellations will escalate.

Future price increases were always part of their business plan. By the way, the same will be true for XM.

No one said $15 would be greedy, $20 would be greedy.
Three people said it: Die Already, WillwGlen, and RedBadger.

they definatley need to wait at least a year before even a 50 cent increase,

they need to build a bigger base first, then gouge the customers

I get a kick out of you people who whine that a small price increase would be greedy. You have access to about 130 channels with 24/7 programming.

That's 130 X 24 hours X 30 days = 93,600 hours of programming a month that you have access to. And $15 a month for that is greedy?

Also, both Sirius and XM are still losing money. All they're trying to do is make little moves here and there to get closer to actually making a profit on this business they're running. That's not greedy.


130? Do you think anoyone has that varied taste in music and talk radio that they are going to enjoy all 130 channels?

Howard + Rock and Roll = 4 or 5 channels for me.

there were not 6 minutes of commercials that first month...i listened every day and i am know starting to notice the commercial time is increasing

you can assume most people may listen to 3-5 different channels not 130

I am one of the many who dont listen to the radio 24 hrs a day I do work and sleep everyday
I agree, that's whay I said you have access to 130 channels of programming, not that you're listening to all of them.

But poster 'Die Already' said if they raise they price by $2 they had better add another 100 channels. Now what sense does that make?

I bought my Chrysler 300C last year with a factory Sirius unit. As part of the deal, Chrysler pays for the 1st year of service. So as soon as I got the car, I called Sirius for info on a lifetime subscription. The cost was $350, from which they deducted what Chrysler already paid towards it and I got my lifetime subscription for $194. Nice. :rock: that is a great deal

there were not 6 minutes of commercials that first month...i listened every day and i am know starting to notice the commercial time is increasing

Yes, there were. For a little while at first they were doing two breaks per hour, so it was three minutes at a time. That was breaking up the flow too much, so now they do one block of six minutes. I can tell because I have listened on recordings all along and note the start and end times, and it's the same.

but the die hards listen mostly 2 stern...mostly during the day...i dont give a fuck about 110 of the 133 channels

Hey, if you only listen to Howard's channels, he's adding a third one so that's a 50% content increase. ;)

I only listen to 1 channel and thats Howard 100. I have CD's for music so the whole 130 channel thing doesnt mean shit to me. they need to keep in mind that not everyone listens to every channel.

Hey, if you only listen to Howard's channels, he's adding a third one so that's a 50% content increase. ;)

So what? I don't even listen to the second one.

OK, I don't mind paying $2-3 more per month for each of my radios, but here's what I want:

1. I don't want to see "Acquiring Signal" written on my screen of my home boombox 30% of the time the radio is on. I want Sirius to upgrade my home antannae so that I can hear at least 99% of the broadcast that I am paying for.

2. I wan't better college football coverage. XM kicks Sirius' ASS in this department. If you're better than XM, get me that service.

3. Tell the DJ's on the music stations to SHUT THE FUCK UP. All I wan't them to do is say the song and artist. I don'y need to get to know these people.

That's all I ask. Take care of that, and I'm sold on the increase.

Bahhhh fuck it. This thread is pointless anyway. They are going to do it regardless. Some will go, most will stay.

Go lifetime stupid. :rolleyes:

Bahhhh fuck it. This thread is pointless anyway. They are going to do it regardless. Some will go, most will stay.
Your right, I'll stay because of Howard and thats it. If it wasn't for Howard I would not own a Sat Radio.

OK, I don't mind paying $2-3 more per month for each of my radios, but here's what I want:

1. I don't want to see "Acquiring Signal" written on my screen of my home boombox 30% of the time the radio is on. I want Sirius to upgrade my home antannae so that I can hear at least 99% of the broadcast that I am paying for.

2. I wan't better college football coverage. XM kicks Sirius' ASS in this department. If you're better than XM, get me that service.

3. Tell the DJ's on the music stations to SHUT THE FUCK UP. All I wan't them to do is say the song and artist. I don'y need to get to know these people.

That's all I ask. Take care of that, and I'm sold on the increase.

Maybe while they're fixing your antenna, they could clean your

house also? You unskilled bastard. :rolleyes:

I need to pay for that LIFE TIME shit

That Sirius guy might find that for most people 15 dollars a month for a radio is not really good value anymore.

It is radio not television. Cable rates and radio rates are never going to be the same. Raise the price and I am sure their growth will stop.

Also Howard pays his own way and he has many commercials on his show now. Too many. They are all the same ad run over and over as there are so few sponsers. It gets annoying especially this week when the show content is a repeat.

Don't get greedy Sirius. Keep with the growth model and if you have to stop adding new content then stop doing it. If adding another Stern channel is going to raise prices then I would be happy to stick to the existing two. I heard all the KROCK shows the first time they aired.

You are 100% correct!!!!

In reality, howard doesn't cost Sirius that much to broadcast... If you think of it as bandwith. I'm going to assume that the bitrate that they send down the pipe on the music channels is higher than what they use to do talk radio. I've encoded the show at 24k and it sounds almost the same as the 56kbit or 64kbit encode, yet if you take an mp3 file of your favorite song and encode it at 24k, it sounds like dog shit!

This is something that's confused me for a long time... They stream almost all the music stations (which consume larger amounts of bandwith than talk), yet they think that streaming Howard will crash their systems because of bandwith?!? The argument doesn't ring true... I think the only logical reason is that they are wrapping it in some new kind of pricing structure... Dunno, all speculation, just doesn't make sense to me.

I can honestly say that I've only tuned into 100,101, and maybe a jazz station for the last year and 1/2. I would gladly pay ten bucks a month for those 3 channels... (oh, and 99 if it's classic stern...)

I do agree that most people don't listen to all 130+ stations, but maybe they could come up with some kind of ala carte plan where you choose 5-10 stations out of the 130 for a reduced price... Surely would take some of the bandwith load off of their system and allow for more growth before hardware upgrades are necessary on their end...

paying for the channels A La Carte would be Fukin Sweet, but I have to listen to a lot of radio all day and i gotta say i'd pay any price for Sirius ! What I'm I gonna do, go back to testical radio? Never !! Or XM? NiggaPlease!!

a la carte..... hmmmm how much would 1 station cost me?
put me down for channel 100 and thats it.

This is something that's confused me for a long time... They stream almost all the music stations (which consume larger amounts of bandwith than talk), yet they think that streaming Howard will crash their systems because of bandwith?!? The argument doesn't ring true... I think the only logical reason is that they are wrapping it in some new kind of pricing structure... Dunno, all speculation, just doesn't make sense to me.

Howard's stations, at least on the satellite feed, are at the same rate as the music channels, not the other talk channels. They need the extra capacity because they are expecting a massive increase in the number of USERS of their online streaming when Howard is added. What's confusing about that?

Sirius' long-term debt is still over $1 billion. They also have over $1 billion in cash obligations for contracts including items like lease obligations, content, and technology development. The only way they are ever going to turn a profit is by continually adding new subscribers; not by trying to squeeze the ones they already have.

Fuck this...

If it goes to $18 or more, I'm out like brown trout.

Big mistake, Sirius.

I listen all day and night. But they should set prices based on how much YOU can listen to? I'd say you're the one with the stupid argument.

Wow so you can listen to more than one channel at a time? The content is fine right now for me. If they add new content it is to entice new people who are not finding what they want in the existing content.

I don't really want to pay for new content that I can't listen to. If it is on at the same time as Howard I won't hear it. The music channels are fine as they are now.

Sorry the more content means higher prices argument is stupid.

Howard's stations, at least on the satellite feed, are at the same rate as the music channels, not the other talk channels. They need the extra capacity because they are expecting a massive increase in the number of USERS of their online streaming when Howard is added. What's confusing about that?

They use a codec that streams through an embedded player in the browser... windows media player.... I'm absolutely positive that it's a variable bit rate encoder. It's the only thing that makes sense.

What I am saying is that for every 1 user that listens to music online, they have the capacity to stream 5-6 users listning to talk radio... i.e. Stern.

I'll prepay at the 12.95

Sounds like the CEO's want a raise, like they already don't make enough.

NO MORE BULLSHIT!

Fuck them and their raising prices, how about trying to get a signal repeater so that you can listen to the fucking radio inside your house without running 22' if antenna. New technology their about as slow as can be, but price increases....well we'll see.

They use a codec that streams through an embedded player in the browser... windows media player.... I'm absolutely positive that it's a variable bit rate encoder. It's the only thing that makes sense.

What I am saying is that for every 1 user that listens to music online, they have the capacity to stream 5-6 users listning to talk radio... i.e. Stern.

How do you figure they will stream Howard at a lower bitrate than music? He's not just talk, he plays music and has live acts play in studio. His channel will take as much bitrate as any music channel.

how about trying to get a signal repeater so that you can listen to the fucking radio inside your house without running 22' if antenna. New technology their about as slow as can be...
They already have that in my area. My antenna sits on my desk. It's not even pointing out a window.

How do you figure they will stream Howard at a lower bitrate than music? He's not just talk, he plays music and has live acts play in studio. His channel will take as much bitrate as any music channel.

i don't think they will do that

i was wondering the same thing about 100 before he came and it's just as good as the music channels

if you listen to the other talk channels, they are very compressed and in mono

Fuck them and their raising prices, how about trying to get a signal repeater so that you can listen to the fucking radio inside your house without running 22' if antenna. New technology their about as slow as can be, but price increases....well we'll see.

That's right. Had a storm here a while ago and I lost everything. Right now I can't listen to anything, No Signal!

And, I've been waiting for streaming, apparently naively thinking it would be included in the subscription.

I got the impression that they are looking into pricing for a streaming only subscription at a reduced rate, not that they will be charging existing subs extra to get streaming. That might be wishful thinking on my part.


While Frear did not reveal details on when any new price structure would take effect, he also made it clear that Sirius would at some point launch a separate fee structure for streaming Sirius programming on the Internet. He noted that Stern's show has the potential for a particularly large streaming audience but that the subscription radio provider needs to work out the technological kinks in servicing such a large crowd.

Not happy about this.

That's why I pay year to year, that way they can't screw me at least for a year.

Well who did you think would pick up that hefty tab; us of course. Just like everything else.

Not happy about this.

:mad: That's just the way I feel...

Maybe while they're fixing your antenna, they could clean your

house also? You unskilled bastard. :rolleyes:

Thanks, but I'll just have your mother clean my house when I'm done with her.

Look, the problem I have is that you need to perfect the operation you have before you start raising the prices on the product. It's not a money issue for me, it's the principle of the thing. The Sirius CEO's should be really concerned about the fact that it's tough to get a signal in many places. If we can't hear the content we paid for, why should we be charged more ?

Sorry I didn't think to run a conduit to the outside when I was building the house, but it's only 4 months old, and I'm not going to drill holes in it now because Sirius can't supply me with an antannae that, oh I don't know, actually works. I have a nice house, unlike your 150 year old shit-box in the armpit that probably already has rat holes that you can use for your antannae access.

That's all I have for you now, Mr. Skilled Laborer. If you have anything else to say, I may be back when my 30 minutes are up to bury you again. Then again, I'm gonna go watch the Suns game, why don't you come over and mow my lawn for me?

:nanana:

I guess the cheapest way around it is to pool subscriptions. If you have relatives that use sirius pool them into your account and split the difference.

Thanks, but I'll just have your mother clean my house when I'm done with her.

Look, the problem I have is that you need to perfect the operation you have before you start raising the prices on the product. It's not a money issue for me, it's the principle of the thing. The Sirius CEO's should be really concerned about the fact that it's tough to get a signal in many places. If we can't hear the content we paid for, why should we be charged more ?

Sorry I didn't think to run a conduit to the outside when I was building the house, but it's only 4 months old, and I'm not going to drill holes in it now because Sirius can't supply me with an antannae that, oh I don't know, actually works. I have a nice house, unlike your 150 year old shit-box in the armpit that probably already has rat holes that you can use for your antannae access.

That's all I have for you now, Mr. Skilled Laborer. If you have anything else to say, I may be back when my 30 minutes are up to bury you again. Then again, I'm gonna go watch the Suns game, why don't you come over and mow my lawn for me?
Good one..
:D
:nanana:

Just checked the online streaming differences... Slightly different version of the Windows Media version for music vs. talk and only 2kbit difference, so not as dramatic as I thought... But still less for talk. Check out the screenshot below.

Why they are using a constant bit-rate for talk..... I don't understand... variable bit-rate seems like a better option, but I'm not in the loop on any other technical considerations either.... oh well... we'll see eventually won't we?!?

http://www.genericgeek.com/sfn/encode.JPG

8 million subscriptions at $10 = 4 million subscriptions at $20...

...results...

...In the same amount of subscription revenue but with the added benefit of being able to get higher rates for commercials because there are twice as many subscriptions. Which then results in more profits.

I say lower the price to $10 once they become profitable to encourage more subscriptions.

Then don't renew.

Nothing changes a public company's "mind" faster than a significant hit to the bottom line.

wow! my $500 lifetime subscription was the smartest move yet!!! wooooohooooo!!!

No fee rise for me.

ditto =)

Thanks, but I'll just have your mother clean my house when I'm done with her.

Look, the problem I have is that you need to perfect the operation you have before you start raising the prices on the product. It's not a money issue for me, it's the principle of the thing. The Sirius CEO's should be really concerned about the fact that it's tough to get a signal in many places. If we can't hear the content we paid for, why should we be charged more ?

Sorry I didn't think to run a conduit to the outside when I was building the house, but it's only 4 months old, and I'm not going to drill holes in it now because Sirius can't supply me with an antannae that, oh I don't know, actually works. I have a nice house, unlike your 150 year old shit-box in the armpit that probably already has rat holes that you can use for your antannae access.

That's all I have for you now, Mr. Skilled Laborer. If you have anything else to say, I may be back when my 30 minutes are up to bury you again. Then again, I'm gonna go watch the Suns game, why don't you come over and mow my lawn for me?

:nanana:

Listen douchebag, my mom wouldn't come near your smelly

house. What is there to perfect? The satellites are up in the sky,

find a clearing and point the antenna to the sky. This is not rocket

science genius. Congratulations on your 4 month old house that

uses 1980 technology, get a refund. Before you attempt to bury

me, learn how to spell. Waaaaaahhhhh I don't wanna put holes

in my new house, waaaaaahhhhhh. :rolleyes:

Geeezzzz, I wish everyone would get this upset over daily increases in gas prices.

Geeezzzz, I wish everyone would get this upset over daily increases in gas prices.

Exactly, but those are the same dumb asses that buy a pint bottle of water for $1.50.

I agree with the post a few back, lifetime subscribtion was/is the way to go, I just put it on my card and paid it off in time. As far as the three transfers, I am sure if you bitch enough, they will cave in, they did with mine, I had one stolen and told them about it, I never got charged to activate the new one because of the situation, bottom line, take good care of your receivers and it should not be a problem, believe me, when more people start bitching about the transfers, it will become a non-issue, what is lifetime if it is only good basically for three units? I smell class-action lawsuit otherwise.

It's fairly common to underprice a new product.

It's also fairly common to give the first taste for free...

it will go from $12.95 to $14.95. Anyone who thinks they would raise it to $20 in one shot is retarded.


that works for me.....$20 and my receiver might become no more than a nice little heater.

Raising prices due to added content is much like what Howard bitches about that cable companies for. There are many new channels we don't want or won't listen to. I don't listen to Nascar,or the Church channel,Martha. It doesn't seem fair to have to extra for them. However I am sure there are people who feel the same about Howard. If they don't listen to him,they don't want to pay extra for him.

I have been with Sirius for over 2 years and I still find it the best $ I spend. I would continue with them but it would start to make me bitter if the price goes to high. When I first signed up I got the 15 mth plan. Pay for 12 get 3 free, when I renewed I got the same deal I wonder if I am locked in for that for life?

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Yeah, $20 seems like a magic number that I might not be willing to go over. My radio is on 101 24/7 (West Coast Feed). Other than the night I turned it on, I have never even tried any other stations - I have 60GB of music on my iPod for that - zero commercials and paid for!

Sirius - do your market research well before screwing with prices! :p

If it goes up even a dollar, im done. Fuck that shit.

Anybody know what the "emission issues" that Sirius was having mean? In the article it mentions that Sirius was working with the FCC to work out the issues and that the new radios were rolling out now. Do Sirius radios put out some exhaust?

Anybody know what the "emission issues" that Sirius was having mean? In the article it mentions that Sirius was working with the FCC to work out the issues and that the new radios were rolling out now. Do Sirius radios put out some exhaust?

Yes, but only the ones that come without catalytic converters.

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wow! my $500 lifetime subscription was the smartest move yet!!! wooooohooooo!!!

No fee rise for me.

Me too, lifetime subscription :D

15$ I could handle with no complaints. 20$ would be a slightly annoying but I would keep my subscription. Anything over 20$ I would consider cancelling it.

I do have an idea. How about raising the price for *NEW* subscribers only? Where as everyone else would pay the original subscribtion price for as long as they keep the service? Sirius could even do promotions saying "subscribe now or pay a higher price later." This might encourage people who have put off subscribing to finally do it.

Just a thought...your opinions, ideas?

Yeah they'll probably up it to just like $14.95 a month

I do have an idea. How about raising the price for *NEW* subscribers only? Where as everyone else would pay the original subscribtion price for as long as they keep the service? Sirius could even do promotions saying "subscribe now or pay a higher price later." This might encourage people who have put off subscribing to finally do it.

Just a thought...your opinions, ideas?

No, they wouldn't do that. If anything, they'd offer a lower promo price to new subs to entice them. The general corporate model is to bend over for new customers, and to hell with the old.

why i'm i being charged for the cbs settlement?

What is there to perfect? The satellites are up in the sky,

find a clearing and point the antenna to the sky. This is not rocket

science

apparently it is....

my parents live in an area that only gets two terrestrial radio stations (country and holy-roller).... they wanted some choices in music only, so they went with XM because of the price ($9.95 per mo)

their units get signal inside the house... even in a finished basement room that has no windows.... and their antenna is INSIDE the house. as long as it's pointing up, they get signal. I tried that with my Sirius unit and got "acquiring signal"..... even in rooms with windows.

I think when Sirius improves their techologies so you can get signal inside, THEN they can justify a $2-3 increase.

Prices always go up. If the market demand is there, the price will go up. Socialism rules!

I love the threads that bring out the trolls. :rolleyes:

why i'm i being charged for the cbs settlement?

For you, there's a Retard Tax. Your bill is now $112.95 a month.


Here's Mel considering an increase back in March of 2005:

http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/02/news/midcaps/sirius_price/

"Karmazin, who spoke at a Bear Stearns media conference in Florida, said XM Satellite Radio's announcement Monday that it would raise in early April its basic monthly subscription fee by 30 percent, to $12.95 a month, "opens up all kinds of options" for Sirius.

Until now, Sirius (Research), while smaller than XM with just more than 1 million subscribers, has been the more expensive of the two dueling services. The move by XM, (Research) with 3.2 million subscribers, brings the cost of a basic plan on par with the $12.95 fee that Sirius already charges.

Karmazin, the former No. 2 at media giant Viacom who took over as Sirius CEO late last year, said XM's fee increase gives Sirius the option of raising its basic price, although he emphasized that no decision has been made. "

wow! my $500 lifetime subscription was the smartest move yet!!! wooooohooooo!!!

No fee rise for me.

Read the not so fine print. It is for the lifetime of your radio. Hope you got a lifetime service contract, too. :p

Maybe I should add another 2 years to my subscription b4 they put the raise through.

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i'll pay a dollar or two but more then that no way goodbye.

apparently it is....

my parents live in an area that only gets two terrestrial radio stations (country and holy-roller).... they wanted some choices in music only, so they went with XM because of the price ($9.95 per mo)

their units get signal inside the house... even in a finished basement room that has no windows.... and their antenna is INSIDE the house. as long as it's pointing up, they get signal. I tried that with my Sirius unit and got "acquiring signal"..... even in rooms with windows.

I think when Sirius improves their techologies so you can get signal inside, THEN they can justify a $2-3 increase.

I am a bit confused by your post. :be: I have one XACT brand Sirius radio. My antenna is inside and works fine. The anenna is on a cord that attaches to the radio. Is it supposed to be outside or does it depend on the radio model and how many you have?

I will never pay another cint for sirius ever.............................................. .................................................. ....................cuz i got a lifetime deal

I agree with the post a few back, lifetime subscribtion was/is the way to go, I just put it on my card and paid it off in time. As far as the three transfers, I am sure if you bitch enough, they will cave in, they did with mine, I had one stolen and told them about it, I never got charged to activate the new one because of the situation, bottom line, take good care of your receivers and it should not be a problem, believe me, when more people start bitching about the transfers, it will become a non-issue, what is lifetime if it is only good basically for three units? I smell class-action lawsuit otherwise.

I doubt a class-action lawsuit would work. The "lifetime" subscription said plainly "for the life of the unit". You are getting exactly what you paid for.

I decided not to get the "lifetime" subscription for that very reason. $500 is 3.5 years worth of annual subscription. With technology this new, I know I will never keep the same radio for 3.5 years. And that does not even take into account a unit failing or being stolen.

Anybody know what the "emission issues" that Sirius was having mean? In the article it mentions that Sirius was working with the FCC to work out the issues and that the new radios were rolling out now. Do Sirius radios put out some exhaust?

That is an odd choice of wording they used...maybe they meant "emission" of the FM signal for in-car units that transmit to the car stereo via an FM frequency. Maybe too many people listening to Christian radio (typically at the low FM end of the dial) are running across frequencies that people are tuning their Sirius tuners to transmit to. I've got an S50 car transmitter base but am using it in my house - that way I can trasmit the FM frequency to any room and get it via my regular radio. The damn thing trasmits like 15-18 feet!

I doubt a class-action lawsuit would work. The "lifetime" subscription said plainly "for the life of the unit". You are getting exactly what you paid for.

I decided not to get the "lifetime" subscription for that very reason. $500 is 3.5 years worth of annual subscription. With technology this new, I know I will never keep the same radio for 3.5 years. And that does not even take into account a unit failing or being stolen.

You can transfer your lifetime subscritpion up to 3 times to another radio unit for a $75 fee. Still could be worth it in the long run if you only were to change your unit every few years or less.

i'll pay a dollar or two but more then that no way goodbye.

I wish I had the link, but there was an interview with Karmazin a few months ago where he said they have done extensive price elasticity studies, that show the range is around $12.95 to $15.95 before it makes virtually any difference in whether or not people will subscribe or continue subscribing. So they know that for many people, their limit is a couple of bucks more.

I really hope they limit it to $14.95. Over $15 seems a lot gaudier, and that way it's a "couple" bucks more instead of a "few" more.

Jeezus Christ, why couln't Howard have signed with XM!( $9.95 with good indoor reception)

When Howard retires, Sirius is Beef Stew, right?

subscriber :ass2mouth : sirius

justifying the monthly cost, this sirius executive talked about the recently-added content. howard usually gives this justification as well.

the "additional content" argument holds little water for me. at the end of the day, it's still just radio. you can listen to and be entertained by radio only so many hours a day.

That is an odd choice of wording they used...maybe they meant "emission" of the FM signal for in-car units that transmit to the car stereo via an FM frequency. Maybe too many people listening to Christian radio (typically at the low FM end of the dial) are running across frequencies that people are tuning their Sirius tuners to transmit to. I've got an S50 car transmitter base but am using it in my house - that way I can trasmit the FM frequency to any room and get it via my regular radio. The damn thing trasmits like 15-18 feet!

I'm pretty sure they reach even further than that. I have my boombox in the master bedroom. I am able to pick the signal up in the basement gameroom surround sound (25 feet away and then downstairs), and then down the hall another 20 feet or so away in the basement bathroom. So that's 45 feet of travel distance, plus downstairs. I must have one of the old "high emissions radios". Cool, I'm keeping it.

Of course, I'll be in the middle of a great bit, waiting for the puchline.....then.......NOTHING! Dead air for the next 20 minutes. Sometimes it'll tease you, and receive a signal again just long enough for you to hear Robin and Howard laughing.

justifying the monthly cost, this sirius executive talked about the recently-added content. howard usually gives this justification as well.

the "additional content" argument holds little water for me. at the end of the day, it's still just radio. you can listen to and be entertained by radio only so many hours a day.

I think you're exactly right, that is only a justification. The actual *reason* they will raise that rate is because they have the demand to allow it.

Jeezus Christ, why couln't Howard have signed with XM!( $9.95 with good indoor reception)

XM is $12.95 just like Sirius. Count on them also raising their rates in the not too distant future.

before we start bashing sirius too much, and threaten to drop sirius, why don't we wait to hear what Howard has to say about this? if he doesn't bring up his thoughts about it on the air by himself, eventually one of us will get through and be able to ask him what he thinks. The CBS deal may have a nondisclosure clause, but i bet he won't dodge what he thinks about this.

well so much for the 43 cents a day rationale

Yeah, at $20.00/month it'll be 66 cents a day. What a rip!


Fuck all you cheap motherfuckers who say you won't pay an extra couple of bucks a month for Stern. You ain't fans, you're homos.

Anybody know what the "emission issues" that Sirius was having mean? In the article it mentions that Sirius was working with the FCC to work out the issues and that the new radios were rolling out now. Do Sirius radios put out some exhaust?

There was a compliance problem with the signal emission of some of the FM modulators. Sirius stated yesterday that their manufacturers have already worked those issues out, and now all their models are in compliance.

Just like the cable companies. They fucking suck!!!

Worth every fucking penny.

I think 14.95 is the max they should go. Its not like were getting video out of our s50.

As soon as they get some listeners, they raise prices. Cant blame them. Hey its business.

I am a bit confused by your post. :be: I have one XACT brand Sirius radio. My antenna is inside and works fine. The anenna is on a cord that attaches to the radio. Is it supposed to be outside or does it depend on the radio model and how many you have?

you're just in a lucky situation I guess.... could be the building materials involved.... or maybe you have more windows with a clearer shot of the sky...

what I'm saying is that at my parent's house, they get great reception with the antenna inside, when I bring my sirius (and antenna) inside their house, I get nothing.

at MY house, I get nothing unless I hang the antenna out the window. my parent's XM picks up just fine inside my house.

there was a thread a few months ago about this... something about the technology that XM uses to get the signal to the ground is more efficient than what Sirius uses

Yeah, at $20.00/month it'll be 66 cents a day. What a rip!


Fuck all you cheap motherfuckers who say you won't pay an extra couple of bucks a month for Stern. You ain't fans, you're homos.

And you are obviously a lemming. You must be the reason for the old saying 'a fool and his money are soon parted'.

hopefully your radio won't break in the next year or two.... to those who don't know, it's for the lifetime of your radio, not your lifetime....

Negative! It's not TiVO. TiVO's contract is the life of the unit and guess what? ive had my TiVO for 5 years now and got the lifetime, so ive been receiving FREE tivo for 2.5 years now.

ALso, SIRIUS gives us the right to change radios for a $75 fee. Ive had my Starmate since X-mas and ive battered it and its all scuffed up and still works fine (fingers crossed). So again, its NOT the lifetime of the radio.

Ps. I fucking agree with those that have stated that those fucking DJ's talk way too fucking much!!! I dont fucking need morning shows on SHADE 45, HIP HOP NATION or any other fucking SIRIUS music station, nor do i need DJ's to talk the whole intro nor 2 seconds of the intro music ...... just play the fucking song and dont feel obligated to talk over it, fuckfaces!! Nobody is there ot hear you talk, nor do we care what you heard about that fucking band!!
Also i dont need them bringing in athletes or celebs to host their own fucking shows on FACTION!! I love Lance Armstrong and he's a damn inspiration......but if SIRIUS is going to put him on to talk for fucking hours... how about a FACTION 2??! You fucks!!

wow! my $500 lifetime subscription was the smartest move yet!!! wooooohooooo!!!

No fee rise for me.

Until the new device that doesn't require an antenna comes out. Then it's going to suck that you are roped into one device

And you are obviously a lemming. You must be the reason for the old saying 'a fool and his money are soon parted'.

What're you, retarded?

You tellin' me that Howard 100 & 101 and all the dozens and dozens of other channels aren't worth a measly $20.00/month? Fuck, you'd drop that to take you and your boyfriend to see the latest Ashton Kutcher movie.

The amount of time I spend listening to Sirius? Best entertainment bargain ever. I say again, if you ain't willing to shell out a couple of bucks to hear Howard 24/7, you ain't a fan. Now get the fuck out of here, junior.

how about just howard for 5 bucks a month. fuck the rest of your lineups, ASSHOLES

What're you, retarded?

You tellin' me that Howard 100 & 101 and all the dozens and dozens of other channels aren't worth a measly $20.00/month? Fuck, you'd drop that to take you and your boyfriend to see the latest Ashton Kutcher movie.

The amount of time I spend listening to Sirius? Best entertainment bargain ever. I say again, if you ain't willing to shell out a couple of bucks to hear Howard 24/7, you ain't a fan. Now get the fuck out of here, junior.
listen here stupid. just cuz your willing to keeep paying more for howard doesnt make u more of a fan than me. and if it wasnt because of howard, they wouldnt raised their prices

Any commercials on the music stations and I'm outta there--even if they LOWER the price. I moved away from "free" FM because of the commercials. No way in fuck am I going to pay to hear them.

I'm with you about the commercials. they already bug the shit out of me on Howard. I'll pay more just to keep those fuckers at bay.

They have to stop thinking of this as terrestrial style radio that we pay for.

The music DJs need to shut the fuck up and play music too. they are trying too hard to be personalities like the old days. Fuck off and play tunes bitch!

listen here stupid. just cuz your willing to keeep paying more for howard doesnt make u more of a fan than me.

Ummm... yes it does.

You prolly should stick with O&A on "Free FM", since you don't seem to be able to handle paying for adult entertainment.

This is truley gay, Howards here 6 months and they are gonna jack the prices? What the fuck? This company could truley overtake XM in a heartbeat, but they have NO vision, fire the whole fucking marketing department, they obviously don't have a clue of where they want this company to be. Fuck I watched the movie "DODGEBALL" and saw a ad for XM in it what is Sirius waiting for??

...I decided not to get the "lifetime" subscription for that very reason. $500 is 3.5 years worth of annual subscription. With technology this new, I know I will never keep the same radio for 3.5 years. And that does not even take into account a unit failing or being stolen.


That's the McGillicutty right there. The life of a unit while the technology is so young?

Look at all the shit that is wrong with just the s50. There are so many improvements to be made. There will also be several generations of portables too.

wow! my $500 lifetime subscription was the smartest move yet!!! wooooohooooo!!!

No fee rise for me. '


Yeah thats cool until your radio shits the bed.

Id pay 20 a month for sirius its got tons of content and theres always something to listen to.

you can swap the lifetime subscription to other radios, costs like 30 bux

you can swap the lifetime subscription to other radios, costs like 30 bux :punk: :punk: :punk:

I have 4 receivers on my account... I don't think I can afford a price raise :(

Ummm... yes it does.

You prolly should stick with O&A on "Free FM", since you don't seem to be able to handle paying for adult entertainment.

I will pay whatever because I can afford it and the content is so fucking good I don't listen to anything else. They own me there.

I still think if we are paying, they shouldn't try to squeeze more with commercials. They have to limit them as much as possible on the talk shows and absolutely ban them from music.

Another reason why I would pay 20 bucks a month for awesome radio is the realization that they have to maintain 3 fucking satellites orbiting the planet.Christ that has got to cost some major coin.

Another reason why I would pay 20 bucks a month for awesome radio is the realization that they have to maintain 3 fucking satellites orbiting the planet.Christ that has got to cost some major coin.

Don't ever feel sorry for these guys. They will make money. It's a business.

What will eventually happen is the absorption of XM and tons of its subscribers. 2 companies won't survive. Sirius has the momentum and the content to force an eventual takeover.

Another reason why I would pay 20 bucks a month for awesome radio is the realization that they have to maintain 3 fucking satellites orbiting the planet.Christ that has got to cost some major coin.

Seriously, once the satellites are in orbit, what maintenance is there? It's not like they have to send the shuttle up there every year to clean the antenna and check the power supply.

[QUOTE=Die Already][B]Negative! It's not TiVO. TiVO's contract is the life of the unit and guess what? ive had my TiVO for 5 years now and got the lifetime, so ive been receiving FREE tivo for 2.5 years now.


Hate to be the bearer of bad news. I got this quote directly from the Sirius website. Woohoo, not such a good deal to me!


Subscribe for the lifetime of your radio! Pay ONLY $499.99 once and forget about bills. Plus, act soon and you can transfer your lifetime subscription to a different SIRIUS Receiver when you upgrade or replace your radio — up to three times — for only $75 per radio. Offer ends July 31, 2006. Hurry!

20 bucks is a bit much. You want to ATTRACT new subscribers not drive them away, especially when your competitor would be half price. This shits all heresay anyhow

Ps. I fucking agree with those that have stated that those fucking DJ's talk way too fucking much!!! I dont fucking need morning shows on SHADE 45, HIP HOP NATION or any other fucking SIRIUS music station, nor do i need DJ's to talk the whole intro nor 2 seconds of the intro music ...... just play the fucking song and dont feel obligated to talk over it, fuckfaces!! Nobody is there ot hear you talk, nor do we care what you heard about that fucking band!!
Also i dont need them bringing in athletes or celebs to host their own fucking shows on FACTION!! I love Lance Armstrong and he's a damn inspiration......but if SIRIUS is going to put him on to talk for fucking hours... how about a FACTION 2??! You fucks!!

That is the fucking truth. This suppose to be no commercial music and all I hear are dumbass DJs thinking that they are billy bad asses just because they can smoke weed and drink on the radio Whoopty god damn fucking doo!! Shut the fuck up and play the next song. On XM they dont have that they just say XM Channel Flight whatever and play the next song. NO BULL SHIT!! The guy who I quoted this from is a genius. If Sirius goes up any Im out like a fat kid playing dodgeball. I like Howards show but I think I wouldnt miss him during college football and acc season basketball. But I would miss Inside the Porn Star Studio :( Plus I also think that XM has more music with less bull shit like commercials and djs. I do not care what anyone says Sirius if u like talk, XM if you like music :cool:

20 would be steep, I'll still pay it, But what pisses me off, Is when Howard was pitching about Cable and said we should just pay for the channels we listen too, Well let us do that, I'll pay 8 or 10 for Stern and whatever for the other channels, By the way I total agree with all the bull shit morning shows, Shut the Fuck up and play some fucking music

You people are nuts, just like BeerPal said, at $20 a month the cost is roughly 66 cents a day. Now, most of us (if not all of us) make more than $200 a week. At 4 weeks a month it's $800 dollars for the month. the $20 a month is 2.5% of your montly income. It's a affordable, While I think a premium service would be smarter i.e (Charge a base price of 15 a month or so and charge $1-2 dollars per premium channel, Howard Stern, etc.) So, stop being cheap.

God i love having a sister that works for sirius ;)

Hate to be the bearer of bad news. I got this quote directly from the Sirius website. Woohoo, not such a good deal to me!


Subscribe for the lifetime of your radio! Pay ONLY $499.99 once and forget about bills. Plus, act soon and you can transfer your lifetime subscription to a different SIRIUS Receiver when you upgrade or replace your radio — up to three times — for only $75 per radio. Offer ends July 31, 2006. Hurry!

K, its $75. I have a good car deck and it'll last 5 years easy - $12.95/mo X 5 years = $777.00. 4 years $621.60.. I say good deal =)

well so much for the 43 cents a day rationale

Yeah, but I'm willing to pay 53 cents per day($16/month) for Howard and The Playboy channel, plus all the commercial-free music channels. It's good content. However, $20/month would be pushing it. They might lose me then. I think they'll raise it to between $15-$16 per month and lose about 2% of their subscribers, of which half will return after they go back to terrestial radio. Once you try Sirius, it's hard to go back to FM. Sirius is addictive radio.

Wow.

"how big are ya balls?"

Talk about arrogance...

Its not arrogance, its business, and its bad business.

Instead of raising prices, they should offer ala carte content.

My Sirius is permantly tuned to one channel: 100, I dont give a fuck about the other 133 channels and you can bet im not gonna pay more for em.

Ah, I'm not surprised. It's just like anything else. :(

I'll go to 15-16, but there's no way I'm shelling out 20 bones a month for Sirius.

I got sirius and the hype was that online would be available online to subscribers
I'm thinking great keep the unit in the car listen over my pc at home....

Yeah, you'll be able to do that. Subscribers will be able to listen via the internet at no extra cost from what they've said. What they're talking about is offering an internet-only subscription where you don't have to buy a receiver w/antenna and give them the EIN radio number to activate, and you listen over the internet only. With this type of internet-only subscription, you won't be able to buy a radio and listen via a receiver cause they have the ability to activate or deactivate the chipset inside the receivers via satellite. So don't worry, you'll get streaming for free as a subscriber.

I just laugh at the way you fucking morons are surprised by this.

Prices will always go up. ALWAYS . Just like cable TV.

They will raise prices a couple of bucks every couple years or so. No, they won't be at $20 tomorrow, but bet your life they will be there very, very soon.

When you add in the initial buy-in costs, Sirius really is expensive. I'm not so sure it's worth it when I have free radio, my iPod, all my CDs, etc.

Seriously guys whats 7 bucks? i spend more than that in coffee a day. and i dont make that much

$450 Lifetime Subscription...shhhtraight up! Thank ewwwwwwww!!!

Lifetime Subscription paid in-full = Priceless!!!

I have 4 subscriptions, the main one, one in each car and one boombox at work. This could get expensive. And, I've been waiting for streaming, apparently naively thinking it would be included in the subscription. Oh well, I'm already bending over for the oil companies - guess I'm well prepared for any SIRIUS greed that comes my way.

They're referring to offering an internet-only subscription where you don't have to buy a receiver and you would listen via your PC internet-only. You'll be OK with your 4 subs. In fact, you'll be able to set up 4 internet passwords, one per receiver, which means that a total of 8 people could listen to Sirius at the same time with your account. So don't worry. You'll be OK.

Seriously guys whats 7 bucks?

It's 23 fuckin' cents a day for a month, that's what it is. It ain't nuthin.

i see steelrat and he be licking my balls

It's 23 fuckin' cents a day for a month, that's what it is. It ain't nuthin.
Well its not nuthin i guess. But it aint much for quality entertainment. I mean think about it. 23 cents/day for 5 HOURS of entertainment. Maybe it just me though cause up here in Canada most of us have been dying to get howard back. so 23cents doesnt seem like that much

$450 Lifetime Subscription...shhhtraight up! Thank ewwwwwwww!!!

Lifetime Subscription paid in-full = Priceless!!!

I already am kicking myself for not getting lifetime when it was that cheap...maybe it's time to switch to lifetime now. :worm:

there is no moe lifetime available you dick munch

there is no moe lifetime available you dick munch :begood: Shove off mult

the real problem here is Sirius' viability as a company.

there may come a point where it's either $20 or they go out of business.

not like Howie would care... he would just make his "triumphant return to terrestrial radio" for God-knows how much money.

If it is good we will pay. Gas is expensive and we drive. Pussy is expensive and we still fuck.


Waaaa Waaaaaa I can't aford my fucking cheese if Sirius goes up in price. Waaaaa Waaaaaaa I will have to quit smoking to afford Sirius. Who gives ashit channel, click.

there is no moe lifetime available you dick munch

and if there were you better be sure to baby that fucking receiver, because the day it dies there goes yer precious lifetime sub!

Sorry, Howard, but I won't go for $20 a month unless they scrap the commercials. They made his $500 million deal at the $12.95 price point--they don't need to get greedy.

fuck yea

for $20/month I say fuck it...

talk about gouging...

wtf if thats 4 real. im get multi year subscriptions while the price is still 12.95

When Howard TV first came on the air in Tampa, FL it was 10.95/month.....not long after Howard started on Sirius it went to 13.95/month....I'm sure there will be further increases in store......

I don't like it but because I am a fan I will pay it until I cannot afford it any longer....that goes for the radio as well.

and if there were you better be sure to baby that fucking receiver, because the day it dies there goes yer precious lifetime sub! Not true. You can transfer it up to three times (3 different receivers) for a $75 fee. There is no fee, of course, if the receiver fails while under warranty. ;)

The Lifetime Sub still pays for itself if you planned to be a subscriber for the duration of Howard's 5-yr contract.

Regarding CHARGING EXTRA for the INTERNET STREAM version of Sirius, the article conveyed the message incorrectly.

I listened to the conference and they were talking about INTERNET-ONLY subscriptions. They know that there is strong interest from many potential listeners to be able to listen to Sirius via internet-only, WITHOUT HAVING TO BUY A RECEIVER. So the executive said, they are working on offering internet-only subscriptions(i.e. without hardware) so that if someone wants to pay $12.95/month to get Sirius via their internet enabled device, e.g. computer, PDA, cellphone, Blueberry, etc, they can subscribe without having to buy hardware(receiver w/antenna). He said they have not come up with a price and they are not prepared for the high bandwidth demands on their networks to stream to such a potentially wide audience. They know the interest for internet-only subs is very high nationally AND internationally(Europe, Asia, Hawaii, even Alaska) where the satellites cannot broadcast and they know Howard has international appeal.

In summary, if you have a sub with a receiver, you will be able to listen to Howard online for FREE!!! But in the future, they will offer internet-only subs for folks who spend alot of time at the computer and don't need/want to buy hardware.

If you still don't believe it, listen here for yourselves: http://investor.sirius.com/medialist.cfm

Select the May 31st 2006 event "Sirius... Bernstein & Co. Strategic Decisions Conference", use Windows Media Player, advance time to 56:00 point(half way) and listen to the question/answer. It's all there, so let's not keep spreading misinformation that streaming will be an extra charge. The article should have been clear on this, but the author doesn't know what he's talking about.

Thanks for the much needed clarification, boombox.


He said they have not come up with a price and they are not prepared for the high bandwidth demands on their networks to stream to such a potentially wide audience.

What the hell? I thought the main reason this was all taking so long was that they were fortifying their system to handle the demand. They're going to have to upgrade AGAIN before they dare open it up to internet only subs?

Thanks for the much needed clarification, boombox.




What the hell? I thought the main reason this was all taking so long was that they were fortifying their system to handle the demand. They're going to have to upgrade AGAIN before they dare open it up to internet only subs?

Yes, you're correct!! They are preparing for North America based subs, which is expected to be about 6.2 million by year-end, and 20-25 million by 2010. This will be up and running in the next week or two. They'll be able to handle the potential subscriber base in North America, but they're not ready to stream globally, as in a pool of 6 billion potential subs worldwide, versus 300 million(of course these sat companies are expected to penetrate 50 million subs combined by 2010) in North America. Hope this clarifies everything.

I love Howard, he's been the voice of reason to me for many years, he is why I came to Sirius....and I would be willing to shell out a buck or two more....but anything more than that and I might have to walk away. It's nuts, over 3 bucks a gallon for gas, 157 bucks a year for Sirius....When XM and Sirius first came out I laughed at the idea of paying for radio....now that I have Sirius....I love it.....but not that much, Howard is great and will always be great. But sometimes you gotta draw a line. Stern's contract was signed and delivered a long time ago already, now the prices are gonna rise even before they surpass XM? Who gives a shit about Martha Stewart? Who needs Playboy? go watch it on TV or better yet get a real porno....give me a fucking break. :mad:

Until the new device that doesn't require an antenna comes out. Then it's going to suck that you are roped into one device

what? it's a lifetime subscription. i dont think it matters if its satellite reception or wifi, a sub is a sub!

They go to 20 and I'm out....I love show and everything around it, just everything, but if they want to kill what they've got rolling then raise the price....

That is the fucking truth. This suppose to be no commercial music and all I hear are dumbass DJs thinking that they are billy bad asses just because they can smoke weed and drink on the radio Whoopty god damn fucking doo!! Shut the fuck up and play the next song. On XM they dont have that they just say XM Channel Flight whatever and play the next song. NO BULL SHIT!! The guy who I quoted this from is a genius. If Sirius goes up any Im out like a fat kid playing dodgeball. I like Howards show but I think I wouldnt miss him during college football and acc season basketball. But I would miss Inside the Porn Star Studio :( Plus I also think that XM has more music with less bull shit like commercials and djs. I do not care what anyone says Sirius if u like talk, XM if you like music :cool:

Thank you for agreeing with me, but let this be the last time you type in green fuckin' font, you fuckface!!! Its straining my eyes and its not fucking cute!!!! you fuck!!

lifetime subscrips are ALWAYS the retarded option.

In 6 months, you will pay $75 for a new transfer to a portable receiver.

12 months after that, you will pay another $75 for a SMALLER portable receiver.

and again in another 12 months

Thats 225 + 450 = $825

Thats 66 months x $12.50

5.5 years, 2011, before you even break even.

by then, if Sirius is still around

a) Howard will have signed a new contract

b) There will be better receivers, which you can no longer transfer to

c) Your interest on that $450 would total at least one year of monthly payments

the real problem here is Sirius' viability as a company.

there may come a point where it's either $20 or they go out of business.

not like Howie would care... he would just make his "triumphant return to terrestrial radio" for God-knows how much money.

Doubtfull, do you really think he would go back to regular radio because of money?!? He has tons of money, and they would still censor the shit out of him... Something he has said he hates (and so do we)... No way he would go back after experiencing the freedom of Satellite radio...

Not true. You can transfer it up to three times (3 different receivers) for a $75 fee. There is no fee, of course, if the receiver fails while under warranty. ;)

The Lifetime Sub still pays for itself if you planned to be a subscriber for the duration of Howard's 5-yr contract.

It looks like they're eliminating the lifetime subscription plan.

"Subscribe for the lifetime of your radio! Pay ONLY $499.99 once and forget about bills. Plus, act soon and you can transfer your lifetime subscription to a different SIRIUS Receiver when you upgrade or replace your radio — up to three times — for only $75 per radio. Offer ends July 31, 2006. Hurry!"

lifetime subscrips are ALWAYS the retarded option.

In 6 months, you will pay $75 for a new transfer to a portable receiver.

12 months after that, you will pay another $75 for a SMALLER portable receiver.

and again in another 12 months

Thats 225 + 450 = $825

Thats 66 months x $12.50

5.5 years, 2011, before you even break even.

by then, if Sirius is still around

a) Howard will have signed a new contract

b) There will be better receivers, which you can no longer transfer to

c) Your interest on that $450 would total at least one year of monthly payments

My starmate has been running fine. i dont plan on getting a new radio for another 2 years or so. I dont need one. My FM transmitter is just spectacular and no need for anything else. Until they have a portable thatcan be heard indoors without an antenna wire. And even then i'll wait for the 2nd or 3rd generation, should be perfected by then.

you just jealous of our lifetime subs, fuckface!

Offer ends July 31, 2006. Hurry!"

They had that when i subscribed for SIRIUS. They said i only had til 12/31/05, then i saw it extended to 1/31/06. So they're full of shit .....they should stop with that. THey should leave it or pull it.

Yes, you're correct!! They are preparing for North America based subs, which is expected to be about 6.2 million by year-end, and 20-25 million by 2010. This will be up and running in the next week or two. They'll be able to handle the potential subscriber base in North America, but they're not ready to stream globally, as in a pool of 6 billion potential subs worldwide, versus 300 million(of course these sat companies are expected to penetrate 50 million subs combined by 2010) in North America. Hope this clarifies everything.

Sure, there are many potential overseas fans, but isn't the reality that the majority of the realistic pool is here in North America? Opening it up worldwide would increase the internet subscriber base, but I seriously doubt it's going to be multiples of what we have coming from the U.S.

If that's really the concern, why wouldn't they just require a U.S. or Candian address for the time being? There would be some greys, but it would at least stem any flood they might fear.

Bahhhh fuck it. This thread is pointless anyway. They are going to do it regardless. Some will go, most will stay.

RIIIGHT!!! I can't believe it took 7 pages for someone to say this. Much like gas, crack cocaine, meth, and heroine, once they know they've got you hooked they can fuck you anyway they wish......we know it too and allow the fucking.......this is unfortunately becoming a fact of the modern world.

half the time i get acquring signal across my screen and i e-mailed sirius 6 or 7 times and have yet to get a e-mail back.

Any commercials on the music stations and I'm outta there--even if they LOWER the price. I moved away from "free" FM because of the commercials. No way in fuck am I going to pay to hear them.

I agree, I signed up for commercial FREE music. I rather pay 2 more dollars a month to keep it that way. I also signed up for NASCAR and Howard and still think the subscription would be worth 15$ a month.

lifetime subscrips are ALWAYS the retarded option.

In 6 months, you will pay $75 for a new transfer to a portable receiver.

12 months after that, you will pay another $75 for a SMALLER portable receiver.

and again in another 12 months

Thats 225 + 450 = $825

Thats 66 months x $12.50

5.5 years, 2011, before you even break even.

by then, if Sirius is still around

a) Howard will have signed a new contract

b) There will be better receivers, which you can no longer transfer to

c) Your interest on that $450 would total at least one year of monthly payments Lifetime Subs are NOT always the retarded option if you are in it for the duration of Howard's initial (and perhaps only) 5-yr contract and don't care to upgrade:

$450 / $12.95 = 34.75 mths or 2.9 years (break-even point)

$12.95 x 60 mths = $777 (for those who pay monthly)

$777 - $450 = $327 (my total savings)

I win! :gwave:

Sirius needs to raise their prices after XM does as well. If they're the ones who first raise it, it will look really bad. 170 channels for 12.95 or 130 channels for 14.95? Think about that! That would be the end of Sirius winning in quarter subscriptions.

speak out howard

Sirius needs to raise their prices after XM does as well. If they're the ones who first raise it, it will look really bad. 170 channels for 12.95 or 130 channels for 14.95? Think about that! That would be the end of Sirius winning in quarter subscriptions.

Yeah, but 9 of those channels are NHL, 22 are traffic & weather, 14 are MLB baseball. That's 45 channels right there. They do this at the expense of sound quality by using heavier compression.

It's not about the quantity of channels, but the quality of the content and SIRIUS has the premium content. Sirius will get away with charging a higher premium easier than XM will.

thank god for the lifetime subsciption if it wasnt for that i would have alreaDY canceled my sub the only reason i even listen to the damn thing is howard,bubba and ferrell the music channels play the same old shit over and over again you can only hear so many dokken songs before you blow your freakin brains out

Where's the refund for all the lost signals

Typical bullshit - Not even a year yet and if you have mulitiple recievers , it can get costly, another thank you from Sirius for buying more of their products