this guys lost 15 lbs in the offseason and is lighting shit up...

Bonds and Sosa put that much on per month in 1998, and we all know the rest...


This is great for baseball, and hopefully will get A-Rod back to his spot as the best all around player in baseball, which has been a bit shaky the last 2 or 3 years.

I actually think the best thing about it is it's exposing Yankees fans as the hypocrites and frauds that they are by showing him with love and affection after they were booing him on opening day.

Maybe Jeter will let him sleep over again.

Maybe Jeter will let him sleep over again.

:lol:

Maybe Jeter will let him sleep over again.

Again, another Red Sox 'fan' spending his nights in the Yankee-related threads and injecting his gay thing again. So do you ever think about Jeter and Alex... engaged in lovemaking to jerkoff to? Do you lay back on your Red Sox comforter and dream of what it would be like, in a perfect world where all the Yankees were gay and start beating off? What IS with the gay thing?
Oh wait-and correction on the comforter thing-I just remembered that you don't even like the Red Sox, according to you. I guess you'll just 'root' for them out of convenience. There are a lot of little ladies just like you on here, so you can all relate to each other.

Tonight was perfect......

A-Rod hit 2 bombs: I really want him to beat Bonds' single season record and eventually career homerun record so no one will give a shit about Bonds

&

The Yanks still lost!!!

Perfect night, keep up the good work homos!!

No doubt he will past Bond's career total..

Better yet, he has more homers then Papi and Manny together, lol

Does Bonds have a dirty test for steroids? No.

Until he admits something or has a positive test, he's going in the books with the most coveted statistic in the sports world. Deal with it.

Does Bonds have a dirty test for steroids? No.

Until he admits something or has a positive test, he's going in the books with the most coveted statistic in the sports world. Deal with it. \

What are you snorting roids you fool? Sure, Bonds will come out and say he used roids...The proof is in the CREAM kid...Everyone thinks that Bonds did roids, even MLB. And when he gets the record, no one will care as much as they would have if he was clean, THATS A FACT...Hell, I bet he doesn't even get into the Hall on the first vote, which means the writers and his peers also feel he CHEATED!!!


Fact is, A Rod will own that coveted record one day with NO question marks!!!!

I think it might be a little premature to start talking about A-Rod breaking the career record. While A-Rod is a little ahead of this pace, but Ken Griffey, Jr. was going to be breaking the record based on where he was at roughly the same age as A-Rod. A couple of season-ending injuries later and he's nowhere near Aaron's mark. In his prime, I think Griffey was the best overall player I've seen (only been watching since the mid-1980's). I still think that if Junior hadn't been saddled with so many injuries he would be around 675-700 home runs by now. Hopefully, we won't be saying the same thing about A-Rod 10 years from now.

Does Bonds have a dirty test for steroids? No.

Until he admits something or has a positive test, he's going in the books with the most coveted statistic in the sports world. Deal with it.

All that is good and fine... But be real with me. In your heart of hearts. Not in the place where you love your team and all that, but where you are real with yourself. You know he took Steriods right?

I mean you do know that right? I'm not tryin to be a jerk, but you must know that...

I think it might be a little premature to start talking about A-Rod breaking the career record. While A-Rod is a little ahead of this pace, but Ken Griffey, Jr. was going to be breaking the record based on where he was at roughly the same age as A-Rod. A couple of season-ending injuries later and he's nowhere near Aaron's mark. In his prime, I think Griffey was the best overall player I've seen (only been watching since the mid-1980's). I still think that if Junior hadn't been saddled with so many injuries he would be around 675-700 home runs by now. Hopefully, we won't be saying the same thing about A-Rod 10 years from now.

Co-Sign on all the Griffey stuff, he was amazing in his prime. But the sad truth is he fell apart. And that is what it is.

I don't think A-Rod will, and I do think he will break the all time HR record of Bonds or Aaron, whoever holds it. As far as Breaking the single season 73 HR Record, I am gonna keep believing in it until the very last pitch of the season is thrown, because I think all true baseball fans in their heart want a pure player to hold the single season record.

I think alot of people feel cheated by that McGwire/Sosa thing still... I know I do. I bought into it. Believed it all. Didn't believe in the Bonds bullshit...

So I hope A-Rod does it, cause all in all, he has been a great player and from everything I have seen, a great person his entire career. He has taken alot of undeaserved shit.

I actually think the best thing about it is it's exposing Yankees fans as the hypocrites and frauds that they are by showing him with love and affection after they were booing him on opening day.


:lol:

Exactly.

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What are you snorting roids you fool? Sure, Bonds will come out and say he used roids...The proof is in the CREAM kid...Everyone thinks that Bonds did roids, even MLB. And when he gets the record, no one will care as much as they would have if he was clean, THATS A FACT...Hell, I bet he doesn't even get into the Hall on the first vote, which means the writers and his peers also feel he CHEATED!!!


Fact is, A Rod will own that coveted record one day with NO question marks!!!!


You are wrong there, bucko. Bonds was a first ballot HOFer even before he bulked up and set the season HR record. No way they keep him off when his turn comes up. No fucking way.

All that is good and fine... But be real with me. In your heart of hearts. Not in the place where you love your team and all that, but where you are real with yourself. You know he took Steriods right?

I mean you do know that right? I'm not tryin to be a jerk, but you must know that...


Of course he did. But so did a ton of other players during that era (including pitchers). Even today, players like A-Rod and others probably take "legal" supplements and have training regimens that give them added strength and stamina that players in years past did not have.

Bonds must be getting clean tests as well, right? How does Bonds, at his age, still manage to hit these bombs out of the park? Either he's still using 'roids and the tests can't pick them up (which means maybe A-Rod and others are doing the same thing?) or perhaps the 'roids didn't make him that much of a better player than he already was and staying in shape with a strict workout regimen was a major part of the equation for his success.

The thing that gets me most about the Bonds haters is they seem to believe he wasn't a great player until he got on the 'roids, which, anybody who knows anything about baseball, knows is not the case. You assholes like to assume that the 'roids made Bonds a great player and don't give him any credit for working hard and training like a madman to be in the condition he was in, both before and during the 'roids era. Yeah, the guy may be a schmuck but to deny him any credit for his accomplishments is fucking lame and shows the haters really don't know shit about baseball at all.

You are wrong there, bucko. Bonds was a first ballot HOFer even before he bulked up and set the season HR record. No way they keep him off when his turn comes up. No fucking way.
Jumpfacock!!!Hmmmm!!Why didn't McGuire get in then???Daaaa!

Bonds must be getting clean tests as well, right? How does Bonds, at his age, still manage to hit these bombs out of the park? Either he's still using 'roids and the tests can't pick them up (which means maybe A-Rod and others are doing the same thing?) or perhaps the 'roids didn't make him that much of a better player than he already was and staying in shape with a strict workout regimen was a major part of the equation for his success.

The thing that gets me most about the Bonds haters is they seem to believe he wasn't a great player until he got on the 'roids, which, anybody who knows anything about baseball, knows is not the case. You assholes like to assume that the 'roids made Bonds a great player and don't give him any credit for working hard and training like a madman to be in the condition he was in, both before and during the 'roids era. Yeah, the guy may be a schmuck but to deny him any credit for his accomplishments is fucking lame and shows the haters really don't know shit about baseball at all.
You gott abe kidding right???Bonds doesn't hit homeruns at the pace he did when he was on roids you bonehead... :rolleyes:

Of course he did. But so did a ton of other players during that era (including pitchers). Even today, players like A-Rod and others probably take "legal" supplements and have training regimens that give them added strength and stamina that players in years past did not have.
Keyword...Legal.... :rolleyes:

Does Bonds have a dirty test for steroids? No.

Until he admits something or has a positive test, he's going in the books with the most coveted statistic in the sports world. Deal with it.

I've tried to make this point for months. Is there a huge cloud of doubt over Bonds? Yes. But the bottom line is that he has never failed a test in the current testing era. There was anonymous testing done and some positive tests were found. But anonymous means just that. You hit the nail on the head. Besides his record will only last a limited time (5 to 10 years) before someone else eclipses him. I wonder if we could go back in time and have Bonds suck the ass of all the reporters, if we would have a different opinion of him. After all many of us develop our opinions based on how the writer wants us to see the athlete.

Does Bonds have a dirty test for steroids? No.

Until he admits something or has a positive test, he's going in the books with the most coveted statistic in the sports world. Deal with it.

Hate to agree with Nuge here but you have got to be on fucking glue!!!!

Until he admits something!!!! what fucking planet do you come from? I guess using your logic until OJ admits he cleved off Nicole's head he too is innocent. :rolleyes:

Tell ya what. I have two pics to show you of Bonds during his heyday with the Pirates and now with SF. His head is twice the size now and needless to say so is his body. What person have you ever met who's head swelled to twice it's size from the age of 24 to 40????
I will post those pics for you later, it's laughable.

you have to be a real homer to back this piece of shit up.

Jumpfacock!!!Hmmmm!!Why didn't McGuire get in then???Daaaa!


Don't be dumb. Anybody with even a hint of baseball knowledge knows that Barry Bonds is 10 times the player McGuire ever was. Look at the overall fucking stats. The only reason McGuire has a chance at the HOF is because of his home run hitting. Bonds has done a lot more on the field over his career than just hit home runs. Given that McGuire's only HOF-worthy accomplishments (home runs) is now tainted it is reasonable that he was not voted in. Nobody can make that same argument against Bonds because he did so much more than set a home run record.

Did you guys just learn about baseball a few days ago? The lack of sense and baseball knowledge on display here is alarming. :rolleyes:

You gott abe kidding right???Bonds doesn't hit homeruns at the pace he did when he was on roids you bonehead... :rolleyes:


No, but he's still hitting them better than anybody his age has ever done, BONEHEAD.

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What are you snorting roids you fool? Sure, Bonds will come out and say he used roids...The proof is in the CREAM kid...Everyone thinks that Bonds did roids, even MLB. And when he gets the record, no one will care as much as they would have if he was clean, THATS A FACT...Hell, I bet he doesn't even get into the Hall on the first vote, which means the writers and his peers also feel he CHEATED!!!


Fact is, A Rod will own that coveted record one day with NO question marks!!!!

Nuge, to take that one step further.....I've heard writer after writer on the subject of the HOF vote saying they wioll never vote this piece of shit in. I don't think he'll ever be inducted.

Don't be dumb. Anybody with even a hint of baseball knowledge knows that Barry Bonds is 10 times the player McGuire ever was. Look at the overall fucking stats. The only reason McGuire has a chance at the HOF is because of his home run hitting. Bonds has done a lot more on the field over his career than just hit home runs. Given that McGuire's only HOF-worthy accomplishments (home runs) is now tainted it is reasonable that he was not voted in. Nobody can make that same argument against Bonds because he did so much more than set a home run record.

Did you guys just learn about baseball a few days ago? The lack of sense and baseball knowledge on display here is alarming. :rolleyes:

FOrget baseball altogether. Let's look at human physiology. Males heads do not expand to 1-1/2 their size after the age of 25!!!!!

Here it is:

http://www.homeruncards.com/imagesrc/1986-topps-bonds.jpg
http://www.sfbappa.org/SF28.images/9%20BEST%20BARRY%20BONDS%20PHOTO/01.JPG

Decide for yourself.

Of course he did. But so did a ton of other players during that era (including pitchers). Even today, players like A-Rod and others probably take "legal" supplements and have training regimens that give them added strength and stamina that players in years past did not have.

I'm not sure why you bring up players using 'legal' supplements. Is that a part of your argument towards something? If so, you also didn't mention how lots of players get a hit, point toward the sky to 'thank God' for helping them achieve a hit. But then again, THAT isn't banned either... although i FUCKING WISH IT WOULD BE.

Hate to agree with Nuge here but you have got to be on fucking glue!!!!

Until he admits something!!!! what fucking planet do you come from? I guess using your logic until OJ admits he cleved off Nicole's head he too is innocent. :rolleyes:

Tell ya what. I have two pics to show you of Bonds during his heyday with the Pirates and now with SF. His head is twice the size now and needless to say so is his body. What person have you ever met who's head swelled to twice it's size from the age of 24 to 40????
I will post those pics for you later, it's laughable.

you have to be a real homer to back this piece of shit up.


Oh man, we had these arguments a year ago. First of all, I'll show you picture of me when I was 24 and a pic of me now at 42 and my head is about twice the size as it used to be and I'm no athlete and I don't take supplements, hormones, or steroids. People do get fat, bulk up, or whatever so that is just the flimsiest fucking argument there is. Last year I posted pics of Pujols on this site, one showing him in the minors as a skinny kid and a current pic of him looking twice the size and with veins and muscles popping out of his arms. Yeah, last year Pujols was the guy all the Bonds haters pointed to as the great natural player. This year it's A-Rod.

And the argument isn't whether Bonds did steroids. Yes, common sense tells us he did and I don't think anybody honestly believes he didn't knowingly do so. But, the fact is that you can't pronounce somebody guilty of something without real proof, and I'm not talking about comparing old photos with new ones or what all you assholes "think" about Bonds. The bottom line is that whether you like or hate the guy, you have to give him credit as a great player, steroids or not. His accomplishments are there and he'd be a first ballot HOFer even without the 'roids-enhanced stats.

So, all you Bonds haters can choke on it. He's going to break Aaron's record and he'll be a deserved first-ballot HOFer. Deal with it and then go fuck yourselves while you're at it. Just because you hate Bonds doesn't mean you (or anybody else) can take away his accomplishments as a great ballplayer. And without concrete proof, meaning a positive test or a straight-out confession by the man himself, MLB will recognize him as one of the game's greatest players.

now show me a picture of Henry Aaron in 1954 compared to his final season in 1976. you can look at any human and most of them have changed physically from the time they are 22 to the time they are 43. photgraphs are totally subjective. let me see the positive test or let me hear Bonds say he knowingly used steroids. if you think of it Bonds started in 1986, at the beginning of the weight training movement in baseball. don't get me wrong, there is a lot of steroid use, but the players in the last 25 years have machines that can help them develop every muscle in their body. and in the last 10 years the health supplement industry has grown. Babe Ruth ate hot dogs and drank beer, while the players today drink their protein shakes and other supplements.

you beat me to it Hugomarink...

the Baseball Hall of Fame has become a joke, the voting process is a joke. if a few bitter old sportswriters don't vote Bonds in 1st ballot, they should get their voting cards revoked.

You tell us we are clueless about baseball? Tell ya what, when you take your head out of the sand and actually listen (objectively) to any writer or other person that has a 'vote' for the HOF they are all in agreement that they will not vote for Barry.
And by the way, instead of telling us you've 'seen' pictures of someone, please provide links of Pujols pics that show his head to be twice it's size since he hit manhood.

As for your head being twice the size as it was when you were young we are talking about atheletes. Getting fat is not the issue and I am not aware of any weight regimement that makes your head swell!!!

I'm not sure why you bring up players using 'legal' supplements. Is that a part of your argument towards something? If so, you also didn't mention how lots of players get a hit, point toward the sky to 'thank God' for helping them achieve a hit. But then again, THAT isn't banned either... although i FUCKING WISH IT WOULD BE.


All I'm arguing is that Bonds is a proven great player and has HOF stats even if you take away his numbers during the steroids years. I'm not claiming Bonds didn't do steroids.

I am also making the point that you idiots have no idea what A-Rod or Pujols or any of these "natural" players are doing to give themselves an edge. Unless you are A-Rod's trainer then you don't know shit about A-Rod's training or what he takes and all you're doing is talking out of your fucking asses. All I see here are a bunch of douchebags with seemingly little knowledge of baseball crying about Barry Bonds because they don't like him. Waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

i agree with all this.. maybe one day a-rod will be chasin bond's hr record and people will be more into seeing the record truly be broken....

All I'm arguing is that Bonds is a proven great player and has HOF stats even if you take away his numbers during the steroids years. I'm not claiming Bonds didn't do steroids.

I am also making the point that you idiots have no idea what A-Rod or Pujols or any of these "natural" players are doing to give themselves an edge. Unless you are A-Rod's trainer then you don't know shit about A-Rod's training or what he takes and all you're doing is talking out of your fucking asses. All I see here are a bunch of douchebags with seemingly little knowledge of baseball crying about Barry Bonds because they don't like him. Waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

OK, but you DO realize that you're in that group of 'idiots' and you're also 'talking out of your ass' because you don't know what he is, or isn't taking and doing. Point is though, I don't complain about Bonds breaking the record in regards to the steroid thing. I just with it were a more likable guy than a lifelong sourpuss like Bonds. Sure, it's petty and has no bearing on the actual record being broken.
Anyway, the point is, you're as much of an idiot because you don't know what Pujols or A Rod is doing either. But then again, I've never heard of A Rod having any problems with steroids.
God Bless and Jesus loves you.

You tell us we are clueless about baseball? Tell ya what, when you take your head out of the sand and actually listen (objectively) to any writer or other person that has a 'vote' for the HOF they are all in agreement that they will not vote for Barry.
And by the way, instead of telling us you've 'seen' pictures of someone, please provide links of Pujols pics that show his head to be twice it's size since he hit manhood.

As for your head being twice the size as it was when you were young we are talking about atheletes. Getting fat is not the issue and I am not aware of any weight regimement that makes your head swell!!!


I'm not going to dig up the Pujols pics I posted here a year ago when having this same argument. They're out there and it's a remarkable difference.

Basically all I'm saying is that pics don't prove shit. And I can pretty much guarantee you that Bonds' head did not grow 1.5 times the size it was when he was 25. If that were the case his head would be three feet across. It's just a stupid argument and doesn't prove shit.

And we'll see about Barry getting into the HOF. I bet he gets in first ballot easy unless he tests positive or admits to steroid use. We'll see.

OK, but you DO realize that you're in that group of 'idiots' and you're also 'talking out of your ass' because you don't know what he is, or isn't taking and doing. Point is though, I don't complain about Bonds breaking the record in regards to the steroid thing. I just with it were a more likable guy than a lifelong sourpuss like Bonds. Sure, it's petty and has no bearing on the actual record being broken.
Anyway, the point is, you're as much of an idiot because you don't know what Pujols or A Rod is doing either. But then again, I've never heard of A Rod having any problems with steroids.
God Bless and Jesus loves you.


I don't claim to know what A-Rod, Pujols, Bonds, or anybody else is doing. I agree that it is likely Bonds used steroids but I also know he was a great ballplayer before that, and that he's still managing to be productive now when they're supposedly testing for 'roids. So how does one explain his current status? And I'm certainly not accusing A-Rod or Pujols of using steroids but then again I can't claim that with 100% certainty either. I'll happily give them both the benefit of the doubt and say they're clean unless it is proven otherwise. My point with the pics of a skinny and a bulked up Pujols are not to say that he's using 'roids, but to show that these guys can drastically alter their appearance through intense training. And nobody can deny that Bonds also trained like a maniac and continues to do so. He didn't just start taking 'roids and turn into a great player because of the 'roids. That is what the "idiots" don't seem to understand.

Here it is:

http://www.homeruncards.com/imagesrc/1986-topps-bonds.jpg
http://www.sfbappa.org/SF28.images/9%20BEST%20BARRY%20BONDS%20PHOTO/01.JPG

Decide for yourself.

He actually looks like he SHRUNK. Oh wait, that's his son.

I don't claim to know what A-Rod, Pujols, Bonds, or anybody else is doing. I agree that it is likely Bonds used steroids but I also know he was a great ballplayer before that, and that he's still managing to be productive now when they're supposedly testing for 'roids. So how does one explain his current status? And I'm certainly not accusing A-Rod or Pujols of using steroids but then again I can't claim that with 100% certainty either. I'll happily give them both the benefit of the doubt and say they're clean unless it is proven otherwise. My point with the pics of a skinny and a bulked up Pujols are not to say that he's using 'roids, but to show that these guys can drastically alter their appearance through intense training. And nobody can deny that Bonds also trained like a maniac and continues to do so. He didn't just start taking 'roids and turn into a great player because of the 'roids. That is what the "idiots" don't seem to understand.

And my point is, you label others that don't know what ARod, or Pujols do, or take as 'idiots'. And you're one of those idiots.
Or is it-the rest of us don'tk now what A Rod and Pujols do and that makes us idiots... and YOU don't know what A Rod and Pujols do and you're a genius?

And I'm not sure where ANYONE said that Bonds 'became a great player' because of steroids. It's his home run totals that always comes into question. I hear the same shit from media people-they say 'Steroids don't make you see and hit the ball better'. Of course not! They DO make you turn what may have been singles or fly-balls into home runs. THAT is what should be debated.

Here it is:

http://www.homeruncards.com/imagesrc/1986-topps-bonds.jpg
http://www.sfbappa.org/SF28.images/9%20BEST%20BARRY%20BONDS%20PHOTO/01.JPG

Decide for yourself.
He is friggin huge in the pic of him when he is older...

http://i3.tinypic.com/xga9e8.jpg

http://i3.tinypic.com/xga9e8.jpg
I wonder why his face is soo bloated??:bigthink:

http://i16.tinypic.com/43ql2jt.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/3/3b/BarryBonds.jpg

I don't claim to know what A-Rod, Pujols, Bonds, or anybody else is doing. I agree that it is likely Bonds used steroids but I also know he was a great ballplayer before that, and that he's still managing to be productive now when they're supposedly testing for 'roids. So how does one explain his current status? And I'm certainly not accusing A-Rod or Pujols of using steroids but then again I can't claim that with 100% certainty either. I'll happily give them both the benefit of the doubt and say they're clean unless it is proven otherwise. My point with the pics of a skinny and a bulked up Pujols are not to say that he's using 'roids, but to show that these guys can drastically alter their appearance through intense training. And nobody can deny that Bonds also trained like a maniac and continues to do so. He didn't just start taking 'roids and turn into a great player because of the 'roids. That is what the "idiots" don't seem to understand.
Do you beat off to Bonds???

I wonder why his face is soo bloated??:bigthink:

Gas, maybe?

And my point is, you label others that don't know what ARod, or Pujols do, or take as 'idiots'. And you're one of those idiots.
Or is it-the rest of us don'tk now what A Rod and Pujols do and that makes us idiots... and YOU don't know what A Rod and Pujols do and you're a genius?

And I'm not sure where ANYONE said that Bonds 'became a great player' because of steroids. It's his home run totals that always comes into question. I hear the same shit from media people-they say 'Steroids don't make you see and hit the ball better'. Of course not! They DO make you turn what may have been singles or fly-balls into home runs. THAT is what should be debated.


NO, DUMBASS!!!! These guys act like they know with 100% certainty that A-Rod and Pujols don't take steroids. That's the difference. I admit I don't know. They act like they know all when they don't. What don't you understand about that?

Let mne clear a few things up:

(1) Bonds did 'roids, as did McGwire. Anyone who even bothers debating this is a fool.

(2) Whether anyone else did them or is currently doing them is anyone's guess.

(3) Bonds had a Hall of Fame-worthy career before he started juicing, so he deserves to be in. McGwire, on the other hand, couldn't even sniff Bonds's jock before he started juicing, so he is no Hall of Famer in my book.

Hugomarink makes some good points here. It started with "A-Rod is better than Bonds and tests clean" then "Well Bonds tests clean too" and then "Well these newer types of steroids aren't detectable by current tests", which leads us back to that first claim. There is no doubt that all this criticism directed towards Bonds is because of the fact that he'll be breaking the record. Do you anti-Bonds folks really think that he is the only player in the MLB using steroids? Why not use some of your anti-steroids momentum to clean up your own team as well. You can start with the pitchers going up against Bonds.

He also makes a good point that it's really not important for fans to debate whether or not he's on steroids. What is important to debate is what is necessary for an official conviction. Shouldn't a positive drug test be the evidence necessary to prove he is breaking the rules, as it is for every other player? It kinda makes me nervous that people seem to think that since the majority of people are sure that he took steroids then this is enough to prove he did.

Until he admits something!!!! what fucking planet do you come from? I guess using your logic until OJ admits he cleved off Nicole's head he too is innocent. :rolleyes: [/B]

Wow, it must be easy to argue against me when you ignore half of what I said. I said until he admits something or has a positive test. Drug testing is the evidence used to convict players of using steroids. There was plenty of evidence to convict OJ of murder regardless of the fact that he didn't admit to it. Where is Bond's positive steroids test?

I said until he admits something or has a positive test.

Excuse me, didn't he admit in his testimony to the grand jury that he used "the cream" and "the clear"? Who needs a dirty drug test when we have a confession. Do me a favor - if you're gonna defend him by saying "who knows who else is doing it," that's fine - but don't keep doubting that he's a juicer. You just make yourself look like a fool.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/12/03/MNGGFA0UDU65.DTL

NO, DUMBASS!!!! These guys act like they know with 100% certainty that A-Rod and Pujols don't take steroids. That's the difference. I admit I don't know. They act like they know all when they don't. What don't you understand about that?

And you act like the kingshit of everything while not really understanding what the debate is about. Or feigning not knowing what the debate is about. And you say they 'act' like they know with 100% certainty-which is just you perceiving so you can argue and make that chip on your shoulder a little bigger.

Show me where I ever denied that he used those. All I did was point out the MLB's burden of proof for what constitutes breaking their rules- a positive drug test or an admission.

I wonder why his face is soo bloated??:bigthink:

Must be those cheek pullups and the forehead squats... :rolleyes:

Excuse me, didn't he admit in his testimony to the grand jury that he used "the cream" and "the clear"? Who needs a dirty drug test when we have a confession. Do me a favor - if you're gonna defend him by saying "who knows who else is doing it," that's fine - but don't keep doubting that he's a juicer. You just make yourself look like a fool.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/12/03/MNGGFA0UDU65.DTL

Thank you Stu, you saved me the effort. SHit, if a bottle and syringe fell out of his glove this guy would say Bonds was a fucking Nurse and continue to defend him. Hey Donk, remember the whole Balco incident or was that my imagination? Leg cream......Holy shit :rolleyes:. I also have a nice bridge I can let you in the ground floor on.

Does Bonds have a dirty test for steroids? No.

Until he admits something or has a positive test, he's going in the books with the most coveted statistic in the sports world. Deal with it.

And when he does, Hank Aaron will be out golfing, because he knows Bonds is a fraud. Deal with it.

Aaron said he wouldn’t attend if Bonds were within reach of the record when the San Francisco Giants play at Atlanta from Aug. 14-16.

“I’d probably fly to West Palm Beach to play golf,” Aaron was quoted as saying.

The poor man would LEAVE THE FUCKING STATE before he'd appear at the game. :jj:

Let mne clear a few things up:

(1) Bonds did 'roids, as did McGwire. Anyone who even bothers debating this is a fool.

(2) Whether anyone else did them or is currently doing them is anyone's guess.

(3) Bonds had a Hall of Fame-worthy career before he started juicing, so he deserves to be in. McGwire, on the other hand, couldn't even sniff Bonds's jock before he started juicing, so he is no Hall of Famer in my book.


My point(s) exactly. Thank you, Sir.

And you act like the kingshit of everything while not really understanding what the debate is about. Or feigning not knowing what the debate is about. And you say they 'act' like they know with 100% certainty-which is just you perceiving so you can argue and make that chip on your shoulder a little bigger.


Please explain to me what the debate is that I don't understand.

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And when he does, Hank Aaron will be out golfing, because he knows Bonds is a fraud. Deal with it.

Aaron said he wouldn’t attend if Bonds were within reach of the record when the San Francisco Giants play at Atlanta from Aug. 14-16.

“I’d probably fly to West Palm Beach to play golf,” Aaron was quoted as saying.

The poor man would LEAVE THE FUCKING STATE before he'd appear at the game. :jj:


So what? Bonds already knows he is getting nothing from MLB or the fans (other than boos) when he breaks the record. There will be no ceremonies or pomp and circumstance when he reaches this milestone, which is amazing considering the record at stake. Bonds has only himself to blame for this due to his crappy attitude to the media throughout his career and, of course, the steroid controversy. But, MLB will recognize the record unless something drastic happens. Doesn't matter what bitter old Hank Aaron thinks or a bunch of hateful fans.

If Bonds were a Dodger, you'd want his head on a fucking plate. :p

The defense would like to thanks Hugomarink and Disco_stu73 for their time. You are dismissed.

OTSM™ :rolleyes:

If Bonds were a Dodger, you'd want his head on a fucking plate. :p

The defense would like to thanks Hugomarink and Disco_stu73 for their time. You are dismissed.

OTSM™ :rolleyes:


You may be right although I honestly don't think I'd be nearly as rabid in my hatred of Bonds as so many fans are. I actually rooted for Bonds back when he was on the Pirates because he was hated back then and was pretty much booed everywhere he went. I felt for him because I didn't understand why the fans hated him so much. Bonds has never done anything to me to deserve that kind of ire and I choose not to waste my energy passionately hating a ballplayer I don't even know. Whatever. If it makes others feel that much better to direct their rage at Barry Bonds then so be it. I think it's all pretty stupid.

And, of course, you know that most Bonds haters would like him a lot better if he was on their teams. It is truth.

Please explain to me what the debate is that I don't understand.

For one: You keep saying that Bonds did'nt become a great player when he started (allegedly) taking steroids. NO ONE is even saying that. It's that he's bashing all of these home runs and no one knows how many of what are NOW home runs would have been, had he not been (allegedly) taking steroids. It's not about him 'seeing the ball' or his fielding ability, his running ability or how many bases he steals. It's NONE of that shit-it's that all of the focus is on his home run totals and the home run totals are skewed by steroids.
There's more but I'll leave it at that for awhile.

You may be right although I honestly don't think I'd be nearly as rabid in my hatred of Bonds as so many fans are. I actually rooted for Bonds back when he was on the Pirates because he was hated back then and was pretty much booed everywhere he went. I felt for him because I didn't understand why the fans hated him so much. Bonds has never done anything to me to deserve that kind of ire and I choose not to waste my energy passionately hating a ballplayer I don't even know. Whatever. If it makes others feel that much better to direct their rage at Barry Bonds then so be it. I think it's all pretty stupid.

And, of course, you know that most Bonds haters would like him a lot better if he was on their teams. It is truth.

I, for one, would never want Bonds on the Yankees. And there are a few 'superstars' that I'd rather not have. I root for A Rod because he wears the uniform. Same goes for Abreu and Sheffield when he was here. But when I first heard the rumors of them coming to New York, I was less than thrilled. And if anyone came to me and said 'You trade Matsui for Bonds and a guaranteed World Series'-I keep Matsui and take my chances.

I, for one, would never want Bonds on the Yankees. And there are a few 'superstars' that I'd rather not have. I root for A Rod because he wears the uniform. Same goes for Abreu and Sheffield when he was here. But when I first heard the rumors of them coming to New York, I was less than thrilled. And if anyone came to me and said 'You trade Matsui for Bonds and a guaranteed World Series'-I keep Matsui and take my chances.

Don't forget the Giambino, another admitted juicer.

For one: You keep saying that Bonds did'nt become a great player when he started (allegedly) taking steroids. NO ONE is even saying that. It's that he's bashing all of these home runs and no one knows how many of what are NOW home runs would have been, had he not been (allegedly) taking steroids. It's not about him 'seeing the ball' or his fielding ability, his running ability or how many bases he steals. It's NONE of that shit-it's that all of the focus is on his home run totals and the home run totals are skewed by steroids.
There's more but I'll leave it at that for awhile.


People are saying he shouldn't be in the HOF and I'm saying he was deserving with his numbers even prior to the juicing years. There is no way to know what his numbers would be without the juice but he's an HOFer regardless. So anybody saying he should be inducted is full of shit. That's the point I'm making.

I, for one, would never want Bonds on the Yankees. And there are a few 'superstars' that I'd rather not have. I root for A Rod because he wears the uniform. Same goes for Abreu and Sheffield when he was here. But when I first heard the rumors of them coming to New York, I was less than thrilled. And if anyone came to me and said 'You trade Matsui for Bonds and a guaranteed World Series'-I keep Matsui and take my chances.


Yeah, but if he comes to Yanks in a trade late this season and leads them to the post-season and beyond then you'll be cheering for him. I guarantee it. We all root for the uniform and it's nice when we actually like the players in the uniform, but that's not always going to be the case. I wish that the Giants had gotten rid of Bonds and signed Vlad when Vlad was a free agent a few years back, but even if they had I'd still be rooting for Bonds to break Aaron's record. I, for one, want to see it regardless of who he's playing for.

Yeah, but if he comes to Yanks in a trade late this season and leads them to the post-season and beyond then you'll be cheering for him. I guarantee it. We all root for the uniform and it's nice when we actually like the players in the uniform, but that's not always going to be the case. I wish that the Giants had gotten rid of Bonds and signed Vlad when Vlad was a free agent a few years back, but even if they had I'd still be rooting for Bonds to break Aaron's record. I, for one, want to see it regardless of who he's playing for.


I've always had a soft spot for hated players. I still root for TO even though he hasn't been a Niner for years. I find him entertaining.

I've always had a soft spot for hated players. I still root for TO even though he hasn't been a Niner for years. I find him entertaining.

I'm with you Hugo.
Nothing better than defending guys who are a little scummy, it really gets under peoples skin.

And the fans, and MLB loved steroids when it saved Baseball from the dustbin of history, how times change.

Just sayin :)

Yeah, but if he comes to Yanks in a trade late this season and leads them to the post-season and beyond then you'll be cheering for him. I guarantee it. We all root for the uniform and it's nice when we actually like the players in the uniform, but that's not always going to be the case. I wish that the Giants had gotten rid of Bonds and signed Vlad when Vlad was a free agent a few years back, but even if they had I'd still be rooting for Bonds to break Aaron's record. I, for one, want to see it regardless of who he's playing for.

Wow, yo'ure just full of guarantees, but you're wrong on this one. I would not cheer for Bonds in a Yankee uniform. I can easily root against a specific player on a team I like. And I'm a bigger Knicks fan than I am a Yankee fan, but I can honestly say that I don't want 'Starbury' to succeed in New York. And there have been a few players like that for me. And specifically with the Yankees, it's a little harder because those teams of the 90s had such a great collection of respectable players and it's hard to now be saddled with superstar hitter names but without the production, as far as CHampionships go and some of their personal stats. I'm warming up to Giambi still but I feel we were spoiled with the teams that won it before and I wish it could have stayed that way-as impossible as that is.

I'm with you Hugo.
Nothing better than defending guys who are a little scummy, it really gets under peoples skin.

And the fans, and MLB loved steroids when it saved Baseball from the dustbin of history, how times change.

Just sayin :)


Yes, I guess I find it interesting how these controversial players get people so riled up. When TO was a 49er and ran out to the Dallas star in the middle of the field and put the ball down and posed after he scored a TD, it was a fantastic and hilarious moment. Now he's playing for Dallas. Great stuff.

Wow, yo'ure just full of guarantees, but you're wrong on this one. I would not cheer for Bonds in a Yankee uniform. I can easily root against a specific player on a team I like. And I'm a bigger Knicks fan than I am a Yankee fan, but I can honestly say that I don't want 'Starbury' to succeed in New York. And there have been a few players like that for me. And specifically with the Yankees, it's a little harder because those teams of the 90s had such a great collection of respectable players and it's hard to now be saddled with superstar hitter names but without the production, as far as CHampionships go and some of their personal stats. I'm warming up to Giambi still but I feel we were spoiled with the teams that won it before and I wish it could have stayed that way-as impossible as that is.


Fair enough. I think seeing Bonds successfully lead the Yankees to victory in the post-season would be extremely interesting and entertaining to watch.

A ROD is the best player in baseball right now

I'm with you Hugo.
Nothing better than defending guys who are a little scummy, it really gets under peoples skin.

And the fans, and MLB loved steroids when it saved Baseball from the dustbin of history, how times change.

Just sayin :)

So that's why you're into it? Getting under people's skin for the sake of getting under people's skin? Sorry, but I don't get that at all. There are so many more productive ways to get under people's skin that actually accomplishes something and doesn't seem like such a contrived act. Not saying anything... I'm just sayin'

A ROD is the best player in baseball right now

Offensively, no question about it. Defensively, middle of the pack. Hardly equates to the best player in baseball. Now stop blowing him Nuge he has to get some rest.

Offensively, no question about it. Defensively, middle of the pack. Hardly equates to the best player in baseball. Now stop blowing him Nuge he has to get some rest.

I don't like seeing those flashes of brain rot that remind me of the last days of Knoblauch. I don't want to revisit that shit again.

A ROD is the best player in baseball right now


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So that's why you're into it? Getting under people's skin for the sake of getting under people's skin? Sorry, but I don't get that at all. There are so many more productive ways to get under people's skin that actually accomplishes something and doesn't seem like such a contrived act. Not saying anything... I'm just sayin'


I like bugging people. :D

if you can't admire Bonds athletic ability, steroids or no steroids, you're crazy. look at what he's doing so far this year.

Don't be dumb. Anybody with even a hint of baseball knowledge knows that Barry Bonds is 10 times the player McGuire ever was. Look at the overall fucking stats. The only reason McGuire has a chance at the HOF is because of his home run hitting. Bonds has done a lot more on the field over his career than just hit home runs. Given that McGuire's only HOF-worthy accomplishments (home runs) is now tainted it is reasonable that he was not voted in. Nobody can make that same argument against Bonds because he did so much more than set a home run record.

Did you guys just learn about baseball a few days ago? The lack of sense and baseball knowledge on display here is alarming. :rolleyes:

Said by the guy who can't even spell McGwire. Otherwise, good post. :hw:

Said by the guy who can't even spell McGwire. Otherwise, good post. :hw:


I knew I was spelling it wrong but I wasn't sure of the right spelling and didn't want to look it up. :D

I can't blame you there. Sometimes because of my work, I have to write stuff about actor's, etc. and the worst is Matthew Maccouna-HEY! I will never learn to spell his name and it's just not worth the effort.

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I can't blame you there. Sometimes because of my work, I have to write stuff about actor's, etc. and the worst is Matthew Maccouna-HEY! I will never learn to spell his name and it's just not worth the effort.

Fug, do you work for a gossip magazine?

Fug, do you work for a gossip magazine?
No, but a very good guess

T.V. show aka Entertainment Tonight?

No, I'm basically self-employed with a lot of different writing jobs and also half-own a recording studio/rehearsal hall and teach guitar. But a few of the writing jobs are media columns for trade magazines/papers and TV ratings guides.

And now... back to Gay Rod blowing Jeter discussions

I actually think the best thing about it is it's exposing Yankees fans as the hypocrites and frauds that they are by showing him with love and affection after they were booing him on opening day.

exactly, now theyre all back to sweating his balls when last season theyre calling for a trade with a piece of horseshit. backpeddling bandwagon jumping homo's.

exactly, now theyre all back to sweating his balls when last season theyre calling for a trade with a piece of horseshit. backpeddling bandwagon jumping homo's.

So much anger and hostility. It's just ADORABLE!

Here's my feeling:
1. Barry Bonds used steroids. So did McGwire, Sosa (who gets off easier than any of these guys), Palmeiro, etc. Major League Baseball knew it and looked past it.
2. Barry Bonds is a first ballot Hall of Famer. Great player before he was on the juice. McGwire is not.
3. I don't dislike Barry Bonds because he cheated. He was one of many who were breaking the rules. I dislike Barry Bonds because he's acted like a prick his whole career.

I think people overstate the influence of steroids on Barry Bonds. Bonds was a great player before steroids, plus McGwire was pretty good as well. What steroids did were allow these guys combine their great natural baseball skills with chemical enhancements to produce record-breaking seasons. Steroids didn't make Barry Bonds great, they made him greater.

The influence of steroids is seen in these marginal guys, who had one or two great seasons and then fell off the map once the testing got more stringent. The textbook example for me is Javy Lopez. Five or six years ago he was one of the top power hitters in the league. Now, he can't make a Major League roster.

Here's my feeling:
1. Barry Bonds used steroids. So did McGwire, Sosa (who gets off easier than any of these guys), Palmeiro, etc. Major League Baseball knew it and looked past it.
2. Barry Bonds is a first ballot Hall of Famer. Great player before he was on the juice. McGwire is not.
3. I don't dislike Barry Bonds because he cheated. He was one of many who were breaking the rules. I dislike Barry Bonds because he's acted like a prick his whole career.

I think people overstate the influence of steroids on Barry Bonds. Bonds was a great player before steroids, plus McGwire was pretty good as well. What steroids did were allow these guys combine their great natural baseball skills with chemical enhancements to produce record-breaking seasons. Steroids didn't make Barry Bonds great, they made him greater.

The influence of steroids is seen in these marginal guys, who had one or two great seasons and then fell off the map once the testing got more stringent. The textbook example for me is Javy Lopez. Five or six years ago he was one of the top power hitters in the league. Now, he can't make a Major League roster.

That pretty much sums it all up. And Sosa is a funny case because, not only on the 'roids, but also ejected because of the corked bat... which, of course, ALSO wasn't his fault. It was an 'accident' which is basically like watching COPS on Saturday night, seeing them pull a guy over, searching his car, finding a crack pipe only to hear the guy, as they all do, say 'That ain't mine man... I never seen that before in ly life, I swear to God'.

Sammy Sosa is one of my least favorite athletes in my lifetime. How he hasn't got as marred by the steroid issue as some of these other guys is beyond me. McGwire and Bonds were at least perennial All-Stars before they started juicing. Who the fuck was Sammy Sosa before chemical enhancement? Props to you Fugly for bringing up the famous corked bat incident. What a fucking joke that was.

The ultimate "Sammy is a pimple on the ass of society" moment was the infamous Congressional hearing. Here we have Canseco telling the truth (even though he's a sleazeball, but not for his book). Then there's McGwire admitting without admitting that he was on some shit. Then here's Sammy. For several years, I had to watch Sammy on just about every sports show, holding court with the media and becoming the darling of baseball.

So, he's got everyone bamboozled with his "Beisbol been berry good to me" schtick. Then came the hearing, where Sammy's acting like he can't understand English? So we're supposed to believe that Sammy - who had to do press conferences every day of his life and was in every baseball commercial from 1998 to 2001 (My personal favorite was the video game promo that featured a coked-up looking Sammy exclaiming with wild eyes, "Ess so real". Anyone who's seen this we'll remember that one) - didn't understand what the fuck was going on?

It's not like the motherfucker was fresh off the boat. The reasons I believe Sammy got away with not becoming a poster boy for steroids are: 1) Palmeiro stole the thunder of the day with his famous finger-pointing performance and subsequent suspension, 2) Sammy didn't break the record, McGwire did and 3) the media loves Slammin' Sammy and hates Barry Bonds.

Look, Bonds and Sosa were both juicing. I truly believe that. Barry Bonds was a Hall of Famer without steroids. Without steroids, Sammy Sosa is just another guy. Why Sosa doesn't get as much shit for it is unbelievable. If you think the change in Bonds' body from 1990 to 2000 is staggering, check out Sammy from the same time periods. I'd post it myself, but alas I am but a lowly junior member. Hopefully someone does post them, just so we can see Sammy's porn star 'stache he used to sport.

I know that the original topic was A-Rod (who I want to believe is not juicing). But we switched over to Bonds, who deserves some criticism, but not as much as Sammy. I stand my opinion that steroids did a world more for Sosa's career than Bonds'

That whole Sammy-Mark thing annoyed the fuck out of me for so many reasons.
1: Any Fox Yankee game I was watching HAD to be interrupted to go to some annoying game where either of these 2 fucks were batting, even before they were on the verge of breaking the record. And I've said before-I'm not really a fan of baseball. I love the Yankees and I watch or liste to every Yankees game, end of story. I don't watch Boston, even when it's late in the season and there might be a pennant race (not last year of course) and I certainly don't watch random Cubs, Cardinals or any other games-but Fox foisted it on us-but no big deal.
2: It was killing baseball because it was making all the focus on some silly race and in the end it attracted non-baseball fans while disinteresting those of us that were already interested in something.
3: The whole 'white pitchers are throwing good pitches to Mark but they don't give Sammy anything to hit because white America is racist against Sammy Sosa' bullshit. I guess all of that could have been avoided if MLB had any non-white pitchers. But, alas, there are only white pitchers in baseball, so the likes of Sammy Sosa never had a chance WHaaaaa

Here's my feeling:
1. Barry Bonds used steroids. So did McGwire, Sosa (who gets off easier than any of these guys), Palmeiro, etc. Major League Baseball knew it and looked past it.
2. Barry Bonds is a first ballot Hall of Famer. Great player before he was on the juice. McGwire is not.
3. I don't dislike Barry Bonds because he cheated. He was one of many who were breaking the rules. I dislike Barry Bonds because he's acted like a prick his whole career.

I think people overstate the influence of steroids on Barry Bonds. Bonds was a great player before steroids, plus McGwire was pretty good as well. What steroids did were allow these guys combine their great natural baseball skills with chemical enhancements to produce record-breaking seasons. Steroids didn't make Barry Bonds great, they made him greater.

The influence of steroids is seen in these marginal guys, who had one or two great seasons and then fell off the map once the testing got more stringent. The textbook example for me is Javy Lopez. Five or six years ago he was one of the top power hitters in the league. Now, he can't make a Major League roster.



Good post. :bigup:

Most people I know think Sosa is a joke now

Braudsrock, I agree. The problem is that the media doesn't treat Sammy as what he is - a cheater. All because "Beisbol been berry, berry good to him"

I actually think the best thing about it is it's exposing Yankees fans as the hypocrites and frauds that they are by showing him with love and affection after they were booing him on opening day. Well said. Couldnt aqgree more.

Maybe Jeter will let him sleep over again.

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Again, another Red Sox 'fan' spending his nights in the Yankee-related threads and injecting his gay thing again. So do you ever think about Jeter and Alex... engaged in lovemaking to jerkoff to? Do you lay back on your Red Sox comforter and dream of what it would be like, in a perfect world where all the Yankees were gay and start beating off? What IS with the gay thing?
Oh wait-and correction on the comforter thing-I just remembered that you don't even like the Red Sox, according to you. I guess you'll just 'root' for them out of convenience. There are a lot of little ladies just like you on here, so you can all relate to each other.

get a sense of humor :rolleyes:


Maybe Jeter will let him sleep over again.

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:jj:






get a sense of humor :rolleyes:




:jj:

You mean a sense of humor so developed that I would find things like this funny:
"Maybe Jeter will let him sleep over again."

Yeah... now THAT is comedy! Thanks but I'll stick with what I find funny and you stick with your milquetoaste, Will & Grace humor.

You mean a sense of humor so developed that I would find things like this funny:
"Maybe Jeter will let him sleep over again."

Yeah... now THAT is comedy! Thanks but I'll stick with what I find funny and you stick with your milquetoaste, Will & Grace humor.