I think this is a huge series for the Yanks, we need to at least take 2 out of 3 vs the Mets. Mets pitching has yet to face a lineup like the Yanks, should be fun

Nobody in baseball has faced a lineup like the Yankees. They are by far the best lineup in baseball.

How much has it helped the Yankees so far?

I expect more of the same :D

The Mets just need to keep their starters in shape. Darryl Strawberry will do alright. Gary Carter behind the plate? Cant go wrong there. Keith Hernandez will manage 1st.

I think this is a huge series for the Yanks, we need to at least take 2 out of 3 vs the Mets. Mets pitching has yet to face a lineup like the Yanks, should be fun

Uh, they faced the Brewers who have a better slugging percentage than the Spankees and the only win they got was when we threw our AAA pitcher (who is now in AAA). :rolleyes:

Anymore genius statements?

Oh yeah, add to that the Cubs who have identical stats for the offense as the Yanks. Oh yeah, they lost 2 of 3 also.

Uh, they faced the Brewers who have a better slugging percentage than the Spankees and the only win they got was when we threw our AAA pitcher (who is now in AAA). :rolleyes:

Anymore genius statements?

Yeah cunt face, PLAY BALL!!!!! Yanks have faced way better pitching then the Brewers have and tell me right FUCKING now that you would take the Brewers lineup over the Yanks, SAY IT!!!

I think the Yanks OWN the interleague series vs the Mets, TRUE? 26-16 and the Yanks own a what, 93-64 overall interleague record? Hummmmmmmmmm

Mets pitching has yet to face a lineup like the Yanks, should be fun

Yeah...that scary lineup w/ Damon, Malphabet, Giambi, Abreau, Cano, and Melky.

Jason Giambi .273
Johnny Damon .256
Bobby Abreu .236
Robinson Cano .234
Doug Mientkiewicz .231
Melky Cabrera .226

Just frightening :rolleyes:

Come on clearly the Mets are better this year.

Yeah cunt face, PLAY BALL!!!!! Yanks have faced way better pitching then the Brewers have and tell me right FUCKING now that you would take the Brewers lineup over the Yanks, SAY IT!!!

I think the Yanks OWN the interleague series vs the Mets, TRUE? 26-16 and the Yanks own a what, 93-64 overall interleague record? Hummmmmmmmmm

if I were starting a team from scratch, I would absolutely take the Brewers' stocked young talent over the Yankees' bloated, old, underachieving superstars.

The Mets just need to keep their starters in shape. Darryl Strawberry will do alright. Gary Carter behind the plate? Cant go wrong there. Keith Hernandez will manage 1st.

You forgot Howard Johnson and Tim Tuefel ;) :p

I think the Yanks OWN the interleague series vs the Mets, TRUE? 26-16 and the Yanks own a what, 93-64 overall interleague record? Hummmmmmmmmm \\\


If history counted, then the Yankees would be in first place now...but it doesnt

Who gives a shit about interleague records from the past 10 years...What does that do for you now?

Nuge, you can't even take the shit you say seriously, can you?

pathetic. Why don't we compare the 1986 Mets to the 1957 Yankees....seems about as relevant you fucking retard.

Yeah cunt face, PLAY BALL!!!!! Yanks have faced way better pitching then the Brewers have and tell me right FUCKING now that you would take the Brewers lineup over the Yanks, SAY IT!!!


You wanna back your bullshit up with stats asswipe? Or would you like to continue to talk out of your ass cheeks which you've become so accustomed to?

Johnny Boy,

Lets see what happens, not only this weekend, but between this 6 game series, if the Yanks do not take 4 out of 6 I will be SHOCKED!!!

The Mets just need to keep their starters in shape. Darryl Strawberry will do alright. Gary Carter behind the plate? Cant go wrong there. Keith Hernandez will manage 1st.

lets not revisit the steroids team of the late 80's

lets not revisit the steroids team of the late 80's

As opposed to the current steroid team the Yanks are fielding? :rolleyes:

As opposed to the current steroid team the Yanks are fielding? :rolleyes:

giambi is the steroid boy but the mets legaacy of the great 86 world series team is gonna go down as a steroid team when the trainer names names.

giambi is the steroid boy but the mets legaacy of the great 86 world series team is gonna go down as a steroid team when the trainer names names.

He wasn't a "trainer," he was a clubhouse gofer. And he didn't sell anything until he left the Mets. So, basically, you didn't get a single fact right except for pointing out that Giambi=steroid boy.

The Mets just need to keep their starters in shape. Darryl Strawberry will do alright. Gary Carter behind the plate? Cant go wrong there. Keith Hernandez will manage 1st.

i still remember the day the mets got keith hernandez...i was a sox fan but a bit of a mets fan too because i lived in the area...the mets were the dregs of the national league until that trade

He wasn't a "trainer," he was a clubhouse gofer. And he didn't sell anything until he left the Mets. So, basically, you didn't get a single fact right except for pointing out that Giambi=steroid boy.

he worked for the mets from 85 to whatever he was there and he did supply them, dykstra was juiced and i feel backman might of as weel, along with a pitcher or two.
guarantee there are more.

he worked for the mets from 85 to whatever he was there and he did supply them, dykstra was juiced and i feel backman might of as weel, along with a pitcher or two.
guarantee there are more.

You "guarantee," huh? So what happens if you're wrong? A "guarantee" implies we get something in return if you're talking out of your ass.

p.s. Dykstra probably was on the juice, but he didn't blow up like a balloon until he joined the Phillies. Look at the pictures:

http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/img/dykstra0424.jpg

http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/mlb/2005/0424/photo/g_dykstra_i.jpg

steroids arent just about getting big and blowing up thats the HGH, did you honestly think jason grimsley was on roids

steroids arent just about getting big and blowing up thats the HGH, did you honestly think jason grimsley was on roids or guillermo mota

Mets sweep the series in a yawner

:o

As opposed to the current steroid team the Yanks are fielding? :rolleyes:

FUNNY, coming from a clown's team who had staff on their payroll ADMITTING to dealing steroids, etc, as well as Morta, I find that funny

Pitching matchups look like this

Perez vs Pettite

both pitchers have been throwing well this year, this is the one even matchup this weekend

Glavine vs Rasner

lol give me a break

Maine vs Wang

Maine has been great this year, but shaky his last start....Wang has been shaky all year


Mets have a good chance of sweeping the series which would be a great early feather in our cap

Pitching matchups look like this

Perez vs Pettite

both pitchers have been throwing well this year, this is the one even matchup this weekend

Glavine vs Rasner

lol give me a break

Maine vs Wang

Maine has been great this year, but shaky his last start....Wang has been shaky all year


Mets have a good chance of sweeping the series which would be a great early feather in our cap

I don't think Wang is pitching on short rest.

Pitching matchups look like this

Perez vs Pettite

both pitchers have been throwing well this year, this is the one even matchup this weekend

Glavine vs Rasner

lol give me a break

Maine vs Wang

Maine has been great this year, but shaky his last start....Wang has been shaky all year


Mets have a good chance of sweeping the series which would be a great early feather in our cap

I would take Andy over Perez any day.......Glavine is an old hag who has struggled vs the Yanks and Maine is having a fluke year and really came back down to where he belongs his last start....

But from your view, anything less then a sweep would mean that Willie has to go and the Yanks are in fact better then the Mets, they just don't play i the weak NL..TRUE?

I would take Andy over Perez any day.......Glavine is an old hag who has struggled vs the Yanks and Maine is having a fluke year and really came back down to where he belongs his last start....

But from your view, anything less then a sweep would mean that Willie has to go and the Yanks are in fact better then the Mets, they just don't play i the weak NL..TRUE?

english pls? :rolleyes:

As opposed to the current steroid team the Yanks are fielding? :rolleyes:


Besides Giambi (DH, not fielding), who?

I thought you were discussing the Mets Triple A farm team. What is it like 6, 7 guys been suspended for steroids this year

I would take Andy over Perez any day.......Glavine is an old hag who has struggled vs the Yanks and Maine is having a fluke year and really came back down to where he belongs his last start....

But from your view, anything less then a sweep would mean that Willie has to go and the Yanks are in fact better then the Mets, they just don't play i the weak NL..TRUE?

Maine didn't look like a fluke when he was shutting down the Cardinals in Game 6 of the NLCS last year. (Just like Perez did in Game 7, for that matter).

someone wins 2 out of 3. Hope its the yankees. i think it will be the mets

FUNNY, coming from a clown's team who had staff on their payroll ADMITTING to dealing steroids, etc, as well as Morta, I find that funny

Maybe you should read the above post and for once get at least one fact straight in your convoluted head.

I would take Andy over Perez any day.......Glavine is an old hag who has struggled vs the Yanks and Maine is having a fluke year and really came back down to where he belongs his last start....

But from your view, anything less then a sweep would mean that Willie has to go and the Yanks are in fact better then the Mets, they just don't play i the weak NL..TRUE?

How many times do I have to stick facts in your face that YOU keep ignoring? You wanna tell me Genius, how you arrive at the deduction that the NL is somehow inferior to the AL? The only thing we have to go on is the W.S. and if my memory serves the NL swept the best team the AL could put forward. That was the same team by the way that bitch slapped your Yanks.

Care to tell me how the NL is inferior (just stat the facts please)?

Besides Giambi (DH, not fielding), who?

I thought you were discussing the Mets Triple A farm team. What is it like 6, 7 guys been suspended for steroids this year

How about Clemens? Nolan Ryan was even making an off hand remark about him to that effect. I would also throw Abreu into that mix while we're speculating.

N.L.= Quadruple A


only two or three real good teams as opposed to the al filled with them.

Rain ending early. Remaining cloudy. Low 49F. Winds N at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 80%. Rainfall around a quarter of an inch.

Looks like they may get this game in afterall. Soggy though it'll be,

N.L.= Quadruple A


only two or three real good teams as opposed to the al filled with them.

Considering the best team YOUR AL put forward last year got swept that makes the AL Double AA then. :rolleyes:

I think this is a huge series for the Yanks, we need to at least take 2 out of 3 vs the Mets. Mets pitching has yet to face a lineup like the Yanks, should be fun

Would this be the vaunted lineup you speak of?


The Yankee are batting just .232 in the last 10 games, including a miserable performance in Thursday's 4-1 loss to the White Sox. The Bombers were just 2-for-10 with runners in scoring position, out-slugged by the American League's worst offense. The expression on Torre's face during postgame interviews was a cocktail of weariness and helplessness, which is understandable considering how loaded his roster is with on-paper talent.


That one? :rolleyes:

This should be a fun series.

Considering the best team YOUR AL put forward last year got swept that makes the AL Double AA then. :rolleyes:

i understand its the world series and all, but it is only a series and you cant judge it to determine which is a tougher league. all it takes is a small slump to kill a series. if thats the case when is the last time the national league won an all star game

i understand its the world series and all, but it is only a series and you cant judge it to determine which is a tougher league. all it takes is a small slump to kill a series. if thats the case when is the last time the national league won an all star game

You're kidding right? You choose the All-star game for comparison over a 7 game series?

I apologize, I thought I was talking with someone that knew something about baseball.

yankees, red sox, blue jays, indians, white sox, twins, tigers, angels, thats just the top tier teams i also think oakland seattle and texas are tough as well.

the NL has the mets, brewers, braves and phillies.

the other are mediocre at best

giambi is the steroid boy but the mets legaacy of the great 86 world series team is gonna go down as a steroid team when the trainer names names.

Jay.. who on the mets was taking steroids?? If they did then they werent taking the good shit..

They had veterns and skinny guys

You can only beat who you play.

Why does the AL keep losing in the world series to all these shitty NL teams?

Your argument is getting old.

Jay.. who on the mets was taking steroids?? If they did then they werent taking the good shit..

They had veterns and skinny guys

Please..steroids?

The 86 Mets were most likely doing cocaine, but steroids? Come on

You forgot the entire NL West of which 3 teams are over .500 compared to the AL West which has one.

You're kidding right? You choose the All-star game for comparison over a 7 game series?

I apologize, I thought I was talking with someone that knew something about baseball.

no asshole just like all fucking national league fans i am saying that you cant use them to compare which league has better teams. maybe you should pay attention. do you honestly think the cards were the best team last year, no it just fell right for them. thats why he playoffs are great you dont have to be the best to win it ie. the marlins winning twice the last what 10 years.

but if you can honestly say the NL is tougher than the AL then you dont know nothing about baseball

You forgot the entire NL West of which 3 teams are over .500 compared to the AL West which has one.

you are not really seriously saying that the dodgers padres, lol diamondbacks or giants are that great, it is easier to have a better record when you play the weakest teams around

especially with the new schedules the use where you play mainly in your division, so that gives the mets how many games against the marlins and nationals

no asshole just like all fucking national league fans i am saying that you cant use them to compare which league has better teams. maybe you should pay attention. do you honestly think the cards were the best team last year, no it just fell right for them. thats why he playoffs are great you dont have to be the best to win it ie. the marlins winning twice the last what 10 years.

but if you can honestly say the NL is tougher than the AL then you dont know nothing about baseball

When your representative team wins the World Series which is not a single game elimination I'd say that's a pretty good judge of who was better. Maybe you'd like to have them roll dice, then it would make your assinine argument sound better. m

It just fell right.....Holy shit. That's what you come up with? :rolleyes:

you are not really seriously saying that the dodgers padres, lol diamondbacks or giants are that great, it is easier to have a better record when you play the weakest teams around

Why not hold that logic to the teams with winning records in the AL. Seems to be applied when it suites your argument. See why debating you is pointless?

This debate is pointless, you haven't made a single cohesive statement.
A little logic please.

yankees, red sox, blue jays, indians, white sox, twins, tigers, angels, thats just the top tier teams i also think oakland seattle and texas are tough as well.

the NL has the mets, brewers, braves and phillies.

the other are mediocre at best

How are the Yankees a top tier team right now? I can't wait to hear this one.

You are gonna have to wait a long time and judging by Jays answers it won't make a bit of sense.
He has yet to make a valid point and is really reaching........All-star game, what a buffoon. :D

Anybody who says the Yankees are a top tier team right now is crazy.

Evan Yankee fans like Nuge will admit they are not a top tier team right now. I mean it is May 18th and he is aiming for the wild card already

yankees, red sox, blue jays, indians, white sox, twins, tigers, angels, thats just the top tier teams i also think oakland seattle and texas are tough as well.

the NL has the mets, brewers, braves and phillies.

the other are mediocre at best

blue jays top tier team ROLFMAO

How about the Dodgers who are 25-16?

You are gonna have to wait a long time and judging by Jays answers it won't make a bit of sense.
He has yet to make a valid point and is really reaching........All-star game, what a buffoon. :D

you're the asshole, i said judging a series is not the way to determine which league is better. are you saying when the marlins won the series the national league was better

Obviously the Marlins were better. They beat the Yankees, IN THE BRONX!

Just like the Cards were the best team last year. You dont get lucky and win the world series.

blue jays top tier team ROLFMAO

How about the Dodgers who are 25-16?

the dodgers are good but what teams do they go against, and all right the jays arent top tier but you have to say the national league is weaker

No, I have to say you haven't made a fucking single statement that means shit. You're fucking totally clueless not just about baseball but debating in general.

0.0

the last three years inter league play

AL NL
2004 126 125
2005 136 116
2006 154 98

Jay Z has a score of ZERO POINT ZERO....

the last three years inter league play

AL NL
2004 126 125
2005 136 116
2006 154 98

Dude, your a genius.

I dont know how I did not get your logic. Obviously whichever league had a better interleague record in 2004, 2005 and 2006 has an effect on 2007.

Your a genius!

LOL.....I mean I'm willing to debate but please make one fucking point that holds up to even a little logic please????? He criticizes first place teams in the NL for beating teams with worse records somehow meaning they must not be that good????
And when I ask him why it's not the same for the AL he ignores it altogether.

Then he says that an All-star game is more relevant to determine who's better than a 7 game series. No wonder he's a Yankees fan.

As for interleague play, that means nothing!!!!! NOTHING. Yet the AL defenders keep reaching for it when all else fails. Using that logic, the Mets in 1988 who beat the Dodgers 11 games to 1 in the regular seires were the better team in the playoffs and should have won even though the Dodgers beat them in a 7 game series.

see this is why your a fucking retard just shouting off, i never said the all star game determines whos better, and for the third time what i said was a 7 game series will not determine which is a better league, and said if thats how you decide then when was the last time the national league won the all star game. so get your shit straight with your stupid comments to yourself.

see this is why your a fucking retard just shouting off, i never said the all star game determines whos better, and for the third time what i said was a 7 game series will not determine which is a better league, and said if thats how you decide then when was the last time the national league won the all star game. so get your shit straight with your stupid comments to yourself.

dumbest post of the year????

As for interleague play, that means nothing!!!!! NOTHING. Yet the AL defenders keep reaching for it when all else fails. Using that logic, the Mets in 1988 who beat the Dodgers 11 games to 1 in the regular seires were the better team in the playoffs and should have won even though the Dodgers beat them in a 7 game series.

if thats your logic then how do you say the national league is better since the cards beat the tigers last year

see this is why your a fucking retard just shouting off, i never said the all star game determines whos better, and for the third time what i said was a 7 game series will not determine which is a better league, and said if thats how you decide then when was the last time the national league won the all star game. so get your shit straight with your stupid comments to yourself.

Tell ya what Boy genius. Since YOU think 7 game series don't determine who the better team is (oh, like the W.S., Stanley Cup Playoffs, NBA championships, etc.) why don't YOU come up with a solution so we can all agree on your twisted, convoluted logic. Then the world can say..."Hey there's the Jay Z. champion team"

Fucking ar-tard.

dumbest post of the year????

i cant even get into it with you king i know how you feel about all this, all i was trying to say is that the american league has tougher teams then the national, and this fucking guy kept spitting out the world series who won the series then he says the mets were better than the dodgers but the dodgers beat them in a series, which proves you cant determine whos better by a seven game series.

who do you think has a tougher league

if thats your logic then how do you say the national league is better since the cards beat the tigers last year

Dumbest poster of the year for sure. Sorry Jay, I can't do this anymore. You have yet to make a single valid point. I'm through.....you win. :rolleyes:

I think both leagues are pretty even. Again the DH plays a huge factor in making the AL stats look better, but it really is a different game.

You dont take into effect the DH rule vs the pitcher hitting. That does effect teams

Tell ya what Boy genius. Since YOU think 7 game series don't determine who the better team is (oh, like the W.S., Stanley Cup Playoffs, NBA championships, etc.) why don't YOU come up with a solution so we can all agree on your twisted, convoluted logic. Then the world can say..."Hey there's the Jay Z. champion team"

Fucking ar-tard.

listen the best team in the leagues dont always win it all, it is just how the chips land you should know that.

and we are also not saying who the better team is it is which league is tougher.

this all began because i said the 86 mets were steroid users, not all of them but some were and the biggest thing in mets history could be scarred

I think both leagues are pretty even. Again the DH plays a huge factor in making the AL stats look better, but it really is a different game.

You dont take into effect the DH rule vs the pitcher hitting. That doe effect teams


yeah i am not a fan of the DH rule if you are a player on the field you should hit.

and this idiot contradicted everything he said in this thread i fucking hate people from boston area

listen the best team in the leagues dont always win it all, it is just how the chips land you should know that.

and we are also not saying who the better team is it is which league is tougher.

this all began because i said the 86 mets were steroid users, not all of them but some were and the biggest thing in mets history could be scarred

If we use your logic and look back on the record books we should just throw out all the W.S. winners since YOU feel it's so arbitrary. As for the Steroid thing, again. READ THE FUCKING ARTICLE. Then you would at least know what you're talking about and maybe have at least one intelligent thing to say.

I'm outta hear.....you're making my head hurt.

I'm still waiting to hear you explain how the Yankees are a "top tier team" right now.

and this idiot contradicted everything he said in this thread i fucking hate people from boston area

Show us ONE contradiction boy wonder.

not to get int the middle of this lovely debate but last season's interleague play certainly is a better indicator of which league is better than last season's world series or all-star game

Is ESPN2 really showing Clemens pitching his single-A minor league start? You would think that Jesus Christ himself was out on the mound.

How much more overblown can this get?

Nice shot Endy!!! 1 out.

Is ESPN2 really showing Clemens pitching his single-A minor league start? You would think that Jesus Christ himself was out on the mound.

How much more overblown can this get?

Nice shot Endy!!! 1 out.

All the better when he falls flat on his face, Good Luck Mets (and you know I choke on those words)

ENDY, ENDY, ENDY, ENDY, ENDY, ENDY, ENDY!!!

ENDY, ENDY, ENDY, ENDY, ENDY, ENDY, ENDY!!! :bigup:

Its over.

The Yankees lose!

THEEEEEEEEEEEEE YANKEES LOSE!!!


Game 1 to the good guys! Lets do it again tomorrow!! :D

Is ESPN2 really showing Clemens pitching his single-A minor league start? You would think that Jesus Christ himself was out on the mound.

How much more overblown can this get?

Nice shot Endy!!! 1 out.

I can see the Yes Network showing it, but ESPN2? Give me a break.

Well, one meatball pitch to Chavez, who can't hit a ball out of the infield did us in, not to mention no bats. But thats OK, we one need to win 2 out of 3 and we take them both this weekend...

one meatball pitch to Matsui and that game is not even as close to 3-2, just depends how you view it.

A win is a win is a win. Well take it.

Now you guys need to win both games this weekend...Lets see it

The Sox gain another half game in the standings and they didn't even have to do a damn thing except laugh at the tv. Thanks Mets!!! :bigup:

It is my pleasure to help the Red Sox any way I can.

Well, one meatball pitch to Chavez, who can't hit a ball out of the infield did us in, not to mention no bats. But thats OK, we one need to win 2 out of 3 and we take them both this weekend...

It is my pleasure to help the Red Sox any way I can. We need their help more than they need ours.

We need their help more than they need ours.

If the rain ever lets up this weekend, we'll do our part. ;)

one meatball pitch to Matsui and that game is not even as close to 3-2, just depends how you view it.

A win is a win is a win. Well take it.

Now you guys need to win both games this weekend...Lets see it

CHRIST...Matsui is known to have power, Chavez? lol


Oh, I am not worried, we will win 2 this weekend....

A-Rod: 0-4, 1K, 2 LOB.

Mr. April proves his case, yet again.

CHRIST...Matsui is known to have power, Chavez? lol


Oh, I am not worried, we will win 2 this weekend....


What a clown

What a clown

My fav. Nuge thread
http://www.sternfannetwork.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=4478267#post4478267

Hey Jay z....drop that crap about the 86 Met team on juice
No one except you has accused anyone on that team for using
or do you have a link???
Didn't think so...

My fav. Nuge thread
http://www.sternfannetwork.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=4478267#post4478267

Hey Jay z....drop that crap about the 86 Met team on juice
No one except you has accused anyone on that team for using
or do you have a link???
Didn't think so...

Jay Z is just pissed because he knows that Giambi and Sheffield have been giving steroids to the recent Yankees teams for as long as they have been on the team.

Morning, my peeps!! Ohhh, and isn't it a lovely mornin'?? One down, two to go. LET'S GO METS! (p.s. - you're welcome, Sox fans - please return the favor by dispatching of the Braves)

Well, one meatball pitch to Chavez, who can't hit a ball out of the infield...

Hmmm.....apparently he can.

By the way, that wasn't a fluke or a "meatball." Endy had been showing bunt (with Lo Duca on second and no one out), so Pettite gave him a high fastball, which is a tough pitch to bunt. Endy knew it was coming and turned on it. Repeat: Not a fluke, just good baseball. Perhaps Yankee fans don't remember "good baseball" these days.

(p.s. - you're welcome, Sox fans - please return the favor by dispatching of the Braves)

:ps:

Jay Z is just pissed because he knows that Giambi and Sheffield have been giving steroids to the recent Yankees teams for as long as they have been on the team.

you are right, they probably WERE NOT ON STEROIDS. EVERYONE BUT CARTER WAS ON COCAINE THOUGH

http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2007/05/19/alg_frontback05_19.jpg

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05192007/img/back051907.jpg

CHRIST...Matsui is known to have power, Chavez? lol


Oh, I am not worried, we will win 2 this weekend....

Nuge, I know it's only one game but the Yanks are a defeated team. You can see it on their faces. I've watched a lot of the 90's Yankees and they had that intangible.....this team? Nadda.

You threw your best pitcher at us and you got bupkus. I love Andy and thought he pitched a great game as he always does, but the Yanks can't touch the Mets pitching. You said earlier that we haven't seen a lineup like this yet. Guess what, yes we have and this is what we've done to 'em. I garauntee you the Yanks do NOTHING this year. They don't have it and in a matter of a week you'll have a new manager as well. It will take a heroic run just to get a wild card and that is not in their makeup.

Nuge, I know it's only one game but the Yanks are a defeated team. You can see it on their faces. I've watched a lot of the 90's Yankees and they had that intangible.....this team? Nadda.

You threw your best pitcher at us and you got bupkus. I love Andy and thought he pitched a great game as he always does, but the Yanks can't touch the Mets pitching. You said earlier that we haven't seen a lineup like this yet. Guess what, yes we have and this is what we've done to 'em. I garauntee you the Yanks do NOTHING this year. They don't have it and in a matter of a week you'll have a new manager as well. It will take a heroic run just to get a wild card and that is not in their makeup.

DUDE< it's ONE fucking game....Yanks had chances and Andy threw one bad pitch, OTHERWISE, Yanks win 2-1 and then WHAT THE FUCK WOULD YOU SAY?

HERORIC RUN to get the wild card, 6 games out in May? lol, please..Even if we were 6 out in late August we would still have a shot, gezzz

DUDE< it's ONE fucking game....Yanks had chances and Andy threw one bad pitch, OTHERWISE, Yanks win 2-1 and then WHAT THE FUCK WOULD YOU SAY?


I love the "we would have won if not for one bad pitch" angle many fans take. It is so funny. Your right, the better team lost. The Yankees don't suck horribly right now, they are just really, really unlucky.

I hope MLB lets the Yanks into the post season this year not due to wins/losses but because they are better except for one bad pitch.

Who was the coach who said "we didn't lose, we ran out of time"

HERORIC RUN to get the wild card, 6 games out in May? lol, please..Even if we were 6 out in late August we would still have a shot, gezzz Already settling for a wild card spot. :lol:

Already settling for a wild card spot. :lol:

And he's assuming that good teams like Detroit, Chicago, and somewhat Oakland are all going to just tank and roll over. :rolleye2:

I love the "we would have won if not for one bad pitch" angle many fans take. It is so funny. Your right, the better team lost. The Yankees don't suck horribly right now, they are just really, really unlucky.

I hope MLB lets the Yanks into the post season this year not due to wins/losses but because they are better except for one bad pitch.

Who was the coach who said "we didn't lose, we ran out of time"

:lol:

I am beginning to love this guy

Here's a fire Torre vote...

The catch: Bring in Valentine.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=pearlman/070518&sportCat=mlb&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos1

It's time to let Joe Torre go
By Jeff Pearlman
Special to Page 2

Sixteen years ago I called for a coach to be fired.

He was Loren Kline, head coach of the men's soccer team at the University of Delaware. At the time, the Blue Hens were in the midst of a 4-14 season -- their third consecutive losing campaign. Kline had coached the team for 28 years, and I believed the moment was right to install some new blood.

It remains my greatest journalistic regret.

When those of us in the media feel compelled to demand a person lose his or her job, we damn well better be right. Though Kline's record suggested that perhaps a change was in order, I was hardly the person to call for it. Truth be told, I was nothing more than a pimply-faced sophomore trying to make a name for himself at the student newspaper. I'd never attended a men's soccer game; never even worked up the guts to call Kline and get his take. It was pathetic, and I still owe the man a thousand apologies.

I bring this up because today, for only the second time as a writer, I am recommending a person be fired.

This time, however, I am right.

The New York Yankees need to rid themselves of Joe Torre. Now.

When George Steinbrenner first hired Torre to replace Buck Showalter back in 1996, I was among the legions of people befuddled by the move. In his 14 years of guiding the Mets, Braves and Cardinals, Torre captured just one division title (with Atlanta in 1982) and never won 90 or more games. Surely there were more qualified candidates -- Gene Michael … Clyde King … Billy Martin's ghost … Alf … me.

Yet, in one of the great managerial achievements in Yankees history, Torre took a team of castaways (Mike Aldrete, Matt Howard, Charlie Hayes), youngsters (Derek Jeter, Andy Pettitte, Mariano Rivera) and big-name vets on the downside of their careers (Dwight Gooden, Cecil Fielder, Tim Raines) and molded the franchise's first world champion in 18 seasons.

Torre's touch was subtle, yet undeniable -- he knew when a button needed to be pressed, and when a player was best left alone. He allowed pitching coach Mel Stottlemyre to handle the arms, and hitting coach Chris Chambliss to deal with the intricacies of bat control. And he rarely overmanaged, opting for trust in his players over trust in his own brilliance.

Over the ensuing five years, Torre and the Yankees were an ideal match. The front office always managed to find the right piece -- be it Scott Brosius, Luis Sojo or Chili Davis -- to fit Torre's world. These were mostly mature, self-motivated men in their early-to-mid 30s who didn't need to be pumped up by their manager before a big game. Torre's greatest strength was not his handling of the bullpen or sticking with a steady lineup (in both areas he was only fair), but his innate ability to relate. Black players loved Torre, white players loved Torre, veterans loved Torre and rookies loved Torre. When the 32-year-old Jeter refers to his manager as "Mr. Torre," it is done not for effect, but out of respect.

Unfortunately for Torre, times have changed. With the departures of coaches like Stottlemyre, Willie Randolph and Don Zimmer, he is left with a cast of failed managers (Tony Pena, Larry Bowa) and future failed managers (Don Mattingly) as his assistants. Whereas once the Yankees built a team primarily through player development and small- and medium-scale trades, now it seems like the team (with rare exception) is built on other franchises' blocks. When you nurture and develop the Jeters and Riveras and Jorge Posadas of the world, those men will live and die for those pinstripes. On the other hand, when you shell out fat wads of cash for Alex Rodriguez and Carl Pavano and Jason Giambi, are you buying skill and passion, or just skill?

Watching the current Yankees -- 9½ games behind Boston and going nowhere fast -- answers that question. They are a flat tire, with nary a jack for miles. Here is a team in dire need of pizzazz, of intensity, of spirit, of soul.

Torre is routinely ripped for overworking his bullpen, but his biggest problem is that, quite frankly, nobody except for Jeter and Johnny Damon appears willing to surrender a left kidney for a win. And now they're going to throw Roger Clemens in the mix -- a man whose idea of teamwork is a Wednesday afternoon picnic with his wife and the ol' transistor radio. The old Joe Torre never -- never -- would have let Clemens come in and pitch under his own rules. The new Joe Torre said, "Eh, why not? Pour me some tea."

Just a few miles away at Shea Stadium, the New York Metropolitans scrap and claw and bite for every run. They play with immense heart, celebrate like puppies in a bowl of Triscuits and shave their heads in a sign of team unity. The Yankees, meanwhile, are blah. No spunk. No fire. No urgency. Torre is the best calming-influence manager in the game, perhaps in major league history. But when it comes to getting something out of nothing, he's no different than Don Baylor or Bill Plummer or any other run-of-the-mill skipper.

In an odd twist, right about now the Bronx Bombers could use a sixth helping of Billy Martin -- throwing bases and kicking dirt and challenging his dogs (Martin vs. Bobby Abreu would rival Martin vs. Marshmallow Salesman) to step up and show some cojones.

With No. 1 long deceased, the logical choice is Bobby Valentine -- who's currently managing the Chiba Lotte Marines of Japan's Pacific League. Those who've had the fortune/misfortune (depending on your perspective) of covering Valentine speak of a man who is annoying/passionate/insensitive/intelligent/self-absorbed/inspiring. But one thing goes without debate -- he can manage, and he can push guys to play hard.

Torre has had a great run. And, like Tom Landry before him, he deserves to be ushered out with a parade through the city's downtown avenues.

But make no mistake about it. He deserves to be ushered out.

DUDE< it's ONE fucking game....Yanks had chances and Andy threw one bad pitch, OTHERWISE, Yanks win 2-1 and then WHAT THE FUCK WOULD YOU SAY?

HERORIC RUN to get the wild card, 6 games out in May? lol, please..Even if we were 6 out in late August we would still have a shot, gezzz

You noticed I prefaced my statement byu saying it's just one game? But guess what Puge. It's not just one game....it's been 40 games!!!! Ok, you can blame injuries for some of their woes but now that excuse is off the table they have lost MORE games when they've had their full lineup. Care to explain that one? They went up against the WHITE SOX who can't hit for shit and got their lunches handed to them. You may be cavalier in your attitude but believe you me the Yankees as an organization aren't. They know that the bleeding is critical and if they don't get going soon.....say bye bye to Joe and then the season. Maybe a winning streak puts all this behind them but until then the pressure builds.


tick tock tick tock tick tock

DUDE< it's ONE fucking game....Yanks had chances and Andy threw one bad pitch, OTHERWISE, Yanks win 2-1 and then WHAT THE FUCK WOULD YOU SAY?

HERORIC RUN to get the wild card, 6 games out in May? lol, please..Even if we were 6 out in late August we would still have a shot, gezzz

Tripod brings up a good point. You're totally right in that 6 games is not insurmountable. but when you consider there are more than a handful of teams in front of them for the lone wild card spot nevermind first place, it's more than just a winning streak....it's a winning streak and 6 simultaneous losing streaks by 6 other teams! Good fucking luck.

Bet your trailer on the Yanks today girls

Bet your trailer on the Yanks today girls

based on your track record I wouldn't wager a nickel on any team you are behind.

eventually nuge will be right...it just takes him a little longer sometimes

like that saying 'even a broken clock is right twice a day'?

DUDE< it's ONE fucking game....Yanks had chances and Andy threw one bad pitch, OTHERWISE, Yanks win 2-1 and then WHAT THE FUCK WOULD YOU SAY?

HERORIC RUN to get the wild card, 6 games out in May? lol, please..Even if we were 6 out in late August we would still have a shot, gezzz

I must give you this Nuge. The remarkably stupid shit you say does make for very good fodder.

like that saying 'even a broken clock is right twice a day'?

That sums it up. The perfect example is last years Patriots thread. He predicted they'd lose every game, and everytime he said that, the Pats would easily win. :D

I mean shit, in 162 game season even Nuge will predict ONE game correct....rrrrrrriiiiiiiight?

LOL.. What a Buffoon.

The yanks need to spank the Metropolitans and use that momentum to sweep the Blosox to turn this year around....

BTW, wtf is that Blosox fan doing here???

obsess much???

Man.....The shot to the hand had to hurt. They are screwed waiting around for fat Roger to roll into town.

Man.....The shot to the hand had to hurt. They are screwed waiting around for fat Roger to roll into town.
I can't believe a left hand hitter specialist is pitching like a starter...This team need's to get it going now...It's not early anymore...

Man.....The shot to the hand had to hurt. They are screwed waiting around for fat Roger to roll into town. As if the Yankee pitching wasn't bad enough. Looks like they lost another starter for at least a couple weeks.

This is turning into a blowout.

Another dinger for DW. I think it's safe to say that he's out of his slump.

Damon should have had that.

As if the Yankee pitching wasn't bad enough. Looks like they lost another starter for at least a couple weeks. :bl: :bl:

8-2 Mets.

I'm glad I didn't bet the house.

Bet your trailer on the Yanks today girls :jj:

Bet your trailer on the Yanks today girls

Like I said earlier, I wouldn't wager a nickel based on your track record. You're like Artie in that regard.

Like I said earlier, I wouldn't wager a nickel based on your track record. You're like Artie in that regard.

Lucky you, that trailer you and your mom live in stays for now......

Lucky you, that trailer you and your mom live in stays for now......

lol.

The guy doing the bumpers on the broadcast must listen to Jam On. Nothing but Phish and Widespread Panic tunes for the bumpers.

looks like they just got this game in on time weather wise. I hope tomorrow holds up so we can complete the sweep.

looks like they just got this game in on time weather wise. I hope tomorrow holds up so we can complete the sweep. If for some reason the game gets rained out tomorrow I wonder if they'll do a double-header at both stadiums in one day like they did a few years back? They play again in mid-June.

Baseball announcers should not try and be witty. Vasco Da Garma, was not the explorer who was searching for the "Fountain of Youth" Ponce de Leon was.

Baseball announcers should not try and be witty. Vasco Da Garma, was not the explorer who was searching for the "Fountain of Youth" Ponce de Leon was. On that note Vasco De Garma wasn't an explorer but Vasco De Gama was.

Now A-Rod hits a meaningless HR.

Scott Schoenweis is complete garbage.

Now A-Rod hits a meaningless HR.

what about Jorge??

Solid outing Scottie. The left-handed Aaron Heilman.

Solid outing Scottie. The left-handed Aaron Heilman.

:lol:

On that note Vasco De Garma wasn't an explorer but Vasco De Gama was.

Hey if you're going to call me out on my spelling, you need to at least get it right.

It's Vasco Da Gama

When is the last time Steinbrenner spoke publicly?
I think he's going senile. Alzheimer's.

Shoenweist sucks monkey balls! This piece of shit needs to be in the minors with Pelfry.

Hey if you're going to call me out on my spelling, you need to at least get it right.

It's Vasco Da Gama ah, touche

Shoenweist sucks monkey balls! This piece of shit needs to be in the minors with Pelfry. Once Mota and Sanchez are back I don't see where Heilman or Schoenweis will fit into the bullpen. Maybe Heilman as a long man but definitely not in a setup role.

WTF? Pitch to Wright! Fucking pussies.

Tough day for Cano although they'll probably score that a hit.

http://www.grudge-match.com/Images/georgesteinbrenner.gif


where's my calzone.

Fuck you McCarver you dried up turd. Yeah, we remember the game, that's why the Mets didn't win the season series against the Spankees.

WTF was that? YOU HAVE A 4-RUN LEAD ASSHOLE!!! Use your head! Jesus Christ.

Why do I never feel comfortable when this redneck is on the hill?

4-run lead and one out and he's throwing home? What could he have possibly been thinking?

I don't think the word thinking applies to Wagner.

Good thing he throws fast cause he sure doesn't think fast.

Hey Cano, instead of yelling at the ump how bout yelling at your right foot for messing up your throw to first base?

Game was way more lopsided than the score would indicate.

Good thing he throws fast cause he sure doesn't think fast. NICE!!! I thought he might start overthrowing there to make up for his error but he got the job done.

METS WIN!!!! :7jump:

NICE!!! I thought he might start overthrowing there to make up for his error but he got the job done.

METS WIN!!!! :7jump:

With the help of the ump and bad swings...Met's pen was EXPOSED today

Hey Cano, instead of yelling at the ump how bout yelling at your right foot for messing up your throw to first base? Which one :jj:

With the help of the ump and bad swings...Met's pen was EXPOSED today Schoenweis is garbage. I've thought that all along. You got to Scott Schoenweis. No big deal, he may not be pitching in a few months.

Wagner finished the inning off. How were they exposed? If you had come back and won the game I might agree with you but they did not.

With the help of the ump and bad swings...Met's pen was EXPOSED today

:rolleyes:

Whatever you say Nuge. That's why the Mets have the second lowest ERA in Baseball.

Yanks lost AGAIN!!!??? Nice

Once Mota and Sanchez are back I don't see where Heilman or Schoenweis will fit into the bullpen. Maybe Heilman as a long man but definitely not in a setup role. I think you're right about Mota. Once he's back with the team Schoenweis is history. It may be a different story when Sanchez comes back. Heilman may be around for a while.

i find it funny reading this thread before the series started, and now that the mets are on the verge of a sweep, its not really going your way is it?

I think you're right about Mota. Once he's back with the team Schoenweis is history. It may be a different story when Sanchez comes back. Heilman may be around for a while. I'm just not sure where Heilman will fit in. You now have 4 potential setup guys (Mota, Sanchez, Feliciano and Smith). The only spot I can see Heilman in is a long relief guy. He's not a setup man, he gives up too many big hits. Mota and Sanchez are both RHP. It will be interesting to see what happens. GMs still have a lot of value in Heilman for some reason and I think Heilman wants to be a starter. I think you will definitely see him included in a trade if the Mets go after another arm. Schoenweis might just get sent down.

Nuge, whatever happened to you guys winning both games over the weekend and taking 2 out of 3?

You guys are desperate now

You going again tonight?

The Yanks stink, what more can be said? it's still too early to give up but it's painful watching this tam right now.

I have tickets for tonight but I am going to pass.

I gotta get up early for work tomorrow and dont want to start taking the train home at 1130 at night.

Ill be watching on ESPN

Nice. I'm going to try and hit Thursday night's game at the Ted.

Nuge, whatever happened to you guys winning both games over the weekend and taking 2 out of 3?

You guys are desperate now

You can bet your pussy that the Yanks win tonight and COULD have and SHOULD have won both games....I still say the Yanks take the series, 4 games to 2

You can bet your pussy that the Yanks win tonight and COULD have and SHOULD have won both games....I still say the Yanks take the series, 4 games to 2

Lets make a wager on it then.

I say the Yankees do not take the series 4 games to 2.

You name the prize.....

You can bet your pussy that the Yanks win tonight and COULD have and SHOULD have won both games....I still say the Yanks take the series, 4 games to 2 Please explain why they should have won both games. I'm in the mood for some Sunday morning entertainment. :D

Lets make a wager on it then.

I say the Yankees do not take the series 4 games to 2.

You name the prize.....

Isn't it a three game series? I'll take that bet. :D Red Sox play the Yankees tomorrow night.

The Mets and Yankees play 3 more times in the Bronx...that is 6 games total

The Mets and Yankees play 3 more times in the Bronx...that is 6 games total

they play in june I think

nobody asked when...FUCKIN IDIOT!!

let's get this thread going again. Nuge, care to make any bold predictions or can we expect the usual from you?

I say get the Brrrrroooooooms out. Your Yanks are the dust of NY and are about to get swept out of Flushing. What's worse is your headed towards another sweep when the Sox visit.

Look for Maine to rebound from his last start tonight.

I agree..I expect a good outing

2 of 3 from the Braves...you are welcome Met fans.

2 of 3 from the Braves...your welcome Met fans.

but we expect a sweep in return.... thanks

let's get this thread going again. Nuge, care to make any bold predictions or can we expect the usual from you?

I say get the Brrrrroooooooms out. Your Yanks are the dust of NY and are about to get swept out of Flushing. What's worse is your headed towards another sweep when the Sox visit.

Yes, my prediction is Mets in a blowout

Yes, my prediction is Mets in a blowout

nice try

Yes, my prediction is Mets in a blowout

Very funny Nugey.

Another n00b on the bump for the Yanks??

WTF Beltraaaaan, pronounce it like everyone else asshole

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j86/oiboots88_photos/mets.jpg LETS GO METS

This games over, about time...lets get on a roll

why can't this asshole pronounce Beltran's name?

but we expect a sweep in return.... thanks

So far it looks like you may only get an even exchange in return. Can't complain though. Both teams did what they needed to do....2 out of 3!!!

uh oh....Shoenweis? Game over.

come the fuck on mets

This games over, about time...lets get on a roll

good news for mets fans...nuge says game is over

Shoenweiss cant even get a pitcher out. This guy sux!!!!

nice swing damon.

good news for mets fans...nuge says game is over

:lol: That's a lock for a Mets comeback.

do you guys se the yanks pitchers teeth looks like a meth head

do you guys se the yanks pitchers teeth looks like a meth head

i thought he looked like this kid

http://www.leconcombre.com/concpost/fr/postcard4/alfred_e_neuman.jpg

lol yea just cut his hear shortter

FUCK A ROD

YEP, this is how it use to be, this is how it should have been and yes, THIS IS HOW IT WILL BE....Yanks need to run with this blow out and take it to the sox

I wonder why Willie gave up on this game early. He's throwing our AAA guys that rarely see action. Hmmmmm. I don't recall ever seeing this clown and I've seen 70% of all their games.

YEP, this is how it use to be, this is how it should have been and yes, THIS IS HOW IT WILL BE....Yanks need to run with this blow out and take it to the sox

settle down Nuge. You can't lose every game. I can't rain on your parade so go ahead and gloat.

this ass clown is nothing more than batting practice. Willie threw in the towel early.

I wonder why Willie gave up on this game early. He's throwing our AAA guys that rarely see action. Hmmmmm. I don't recall ever seeing this clown and I've seen 70% of all their games.

because the mets have the braves coming up and these yankee games really don't mean shit

Let's get the bats going!!

because the mets have the braves coming up and these yankee games really don't mean shit

Good point Apoc. Wasn't really thinking along those lines as it still was relatively early and they were facing a rookie but you're right. They have to think big picture.

NO NO NO, Yanks batted their pen the past 2 games good, Mets have NO pen left

NO NO NO, Yanks batted their pen the past 2 games good, Mets have NO pen left

And what games were you watching?

And what games were you watching?

a dvd of the past 26 world series

LOL

because the mets have the braves coming up and these yankee games really don't mean shit They have an off day tomorrow so I'm not sure that's a major concern. Since the Braves lost today you'd think this would be a big game to win.

NO NO NO, Yanks batted their pen the past 2 games good, Mets have NO pen left The Yankees didn't score a run off the bullpen Friday. At least you checked your facts before posting as usual.

little skinny S*^c swinging for the fences, he aint no A ROD, sit down pato................

game over, see all the Met fans leaving Shea already, lol

little skinny S*^c swinging for the fences, he aint no A ROD, sit down pato................ If you're gonna show your true colors and call the guy a spic then call him a spic. Your symbols don't make you look like any less of a douche. :rolleyes:

If you're gonna show your true colors and call the guy a spic then call him a spic. Your symbols don't make you look like any less of a douche. :rolleyes:

I called him a skinng "sumac" you freaking fruit, had to kill some in my yard today, he reminds me of this skinny cunts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumac

Mo Riveria warming up...just what the Mets need.

Mo Riveria warming up...just what the Mets need.
Yep, I agree, LIGHTS OUT!!!

This ump sucks

Looks like the Yanks may be able to sweep in June, see you pussies in the Yankee threads.........

Yep, I agree, LIGHTS OUT!!! Rivera is not lights out anymore. He proved it tonight.

:nono:
http://i7.tinypic.com/6fh51n5.jpg

Looks like the Yanks may be able to sweep in June, see you pussies in the Yankee threads.........

Nuge, lets place a wager on it.

If the Yankees sweep then I will get you a $100 New York Yankees gift card.

If the Yankees dont sweep, then you buy me a $50 new York Mets gift card.

I am even giving you odds.

Put your $$ where your mouth is.

At least we got one and avoided major embarrassment.

Nuge, lets place a wager on it.

If the Yankees sweep then I will get you a $100 New York Yankees gift card.

If the Yankees dont sweep, then you buy me a $50 new York Mets gift card.

I am even giving you odds.

Put your $$ where your mouth is.

Jeez, we're already getting Jersey off this chump. You wanna make him homeless too?

Add me in there if you do take the bet, Nuge. I wanna make it hurt you to root for that team.

NO NO NO, Yanks batted their pen the past 2 games good, Mets have NO pen left

You know less about baseball than hockey. I didn't think that was possible Puge. :rolleyes:

At least we got one and avoided major embarrassment.

Trust me dude, your team is still a major embarrassment. You escaped nothing.

Trust me dude, your team is still a major embarrassment. You escaped nothing.

trust me, whatever team you root for you wish they had half the success the Yankees have had.

Have had....being past tense :D

trust me, whatever team you root for you wish they had half the success the Yankees have had.

Considering MY team has only been in the league since the sixties as opposed to the turn of the century it's not really relevant. And you did get the tense right.