I've had HTV from the beginning and for the most part, like it. However one thing that has been consistently irritating is the conservative approach taken towards shooting female nudity versus male.

Over the past month or so there must have been 6-8 daily shows featuring Sal and Richard's penis. Invariably, it's shot in the most graphic manner possible, with extended, multiple, ultra close-ups.

Yet, in the latest Dixie/Porn daily show a porn star named Layla (or something like that) disrobes, revealing her shaved pussy. The camera gets a fleeting glimpse of it for less than one second, and then quickly cuts away. Why it can't hold the shot for 2-3 more seconds is beyond me. If it was a penis we'd probably be looking at a 5 second close-up.

But it gets more bizarre. The girl is standing there totally nude with Howard interviewing her for about 10-15 minutes. Every shot is a full shot from about 10 feet away, with the only close-ups being chest level up.

At numerous points Howard is talking to the girl, she is saying nothing, and the camera will just stay on her face. The moment seemed to beg for a slow pan shot down the girls body. Yet you get not one close-up of the girls crotch for the ENTIRE interview.

Rather than cut to Robin's face about 10 times when she's saying nothing, why not make use of the fact that this is an UNCENSORED STATION. Showcase the fact that a hot naked girl is standing and actually show it.

It's amazing that 2 years later the're still doing this. The only difference is that the male nudity seems to be getting more frequent and more graphic than in the beginning. I wish I could say the same for the chicks.

I used to just fast forward through the male nudity, but there is so much of it now that I am just blowing off the episodes with Richard and Sal. HTV still seems to act like the gay audience is the only one they are interested in.

That's one of the reasons I cancelled.

There was one where they were showing some pics from Playboy and they covered the nips and vag. Is that something to do with Playboy and or rights to certain images? Why not show the naked pics uncensored?

There was one where they were showing some pics from Playboy and they covered the nips and vag. Is that something to do with Playboy and or rights to certain images? Why not show the naked pics uncensored? I don't think you can blame HTV for that. It has something to do with Playboy not allowing them to show the whole picture. Playboy wants you to go out and buy the issue to see the rest.

There was one where they were showing some pics from Playboy and they covered the nips and vag. Is that something to do with Playboy and or rights to certain images? Why not show the naked pics uncensored?

Yea thats just Playboy, they show Penthouse pics uncensored all the time.

However I agree with the OP, I dont understand why they have no problem showing close ups of every naked dick thats walks in there, but refuse to show the vag for more than a split second.

Scott Depace is so homophobic but he seems to love the cock shots.

Scott Depace is so homophobic but he seems to love the cock shots. Once Howard retires I'm guessing Scott will move on to directing gay porn.

Scott Depace is so homophobic but he seems to love the cock shots.

He lives in a terrible irony. He hates gay people but loves penises. His latest invention is the Penis Caddy so you can videotape only people's dicks.

Scott Depace is so homophobic but he seems to love the cock shots.

More likely he just does what Goodstein tells him to do.

Goodsteins the douche to blame

Another one is the Fucking Machines bit.

Every time Annie gets ready to 'squirt', the camera blocks to a shot of Robin, Howard or Fred.

When Dana was getting pumped with the Fucksaw, angle wouldn't show penetration. Same for Harmony and the blender-thingee.

"Uncensored"? ORly?

The penetration argument is a little different. Howard himself has said he isnt a big fan of penetration on HTV and he doesnt want it to be a hardcore porn channel.

However that does not change the fact that they will cut away from pussy shots almost always.

I think there are certain rules that On-Demand programming has to stay within when it comes to nudity and sexual topics because if they "cross the line", it could be considered hardcore XXX, and certain cable companies would have problems carrying it.

Like showing a flaccid penis is okay, but I guarantee you that you will never see an erect penis shown....that would probably be considered hardcore XXX

Same with the vagina. They can obviously show the pubic area and maybe a quick glimpse of a small part of whats underneath, but I guarantee you will never see a full closeup where a girl spreads or shows her hole.....that would probably also be considered hardcore XXX

Same with insertion XXX

But I don't know for sure, just speculation on my part to explain it. Cause I know a lot of cable companies will let you order porn, but it is usually that softcore erotica and not the hardcore XXX.

But they are having a biggest clit contest soon....guess the clit is allowed to be shown and not the hole???

I think there are certain rules that On-Demand programming has to stay within when it comes to nudity and sexual topics because if they "cross the line", it could be considered hardcore XXX, and certain cable companies would have problems carrying it.

Like showing a flaccid penis is okay, but I guarantee you that you will never see an erect penis shown....that would probably be considered hardcore XXX

Same with the vagina. They can obviously show the pubic area and maybe a quick glimpse of a small part of whats underneath, but I guarantee you will never see a full closeup where a girl spreads or shows her hole.....that would probably also be considered hardcore XXX

Same with insertion XXX

But I don't know for sure, just speculation on my part to explain it. Cause I know a lot of cable companies will let you order porn, but it is usually that softcore erotica and not the hardcore XXX.

But they are having a biggest clit contest soon....guess the clit is allowed to be shown and not the hole???


I don't know if that's the real reason or not. In the past there have been some shows that showed fairly long fairly close shots of a woman's vagina. There was a guest who shot liquid (wine I think) from her vagina and they went in fairly close for that. Then there was the Mary Carey segment where she was drunk in the green room and they spent a lot of time focusing in on her open legs and vagina. It seems like early on they weren't nearly as gun shy about showing vagina. I'm not sure what happened to make them back off the way they did.

I just don't get the strange need to show so much penis on the channel. Typically on cable and in the movies showing a penis is a much bigger deal. HTV shows far, far more penis on it than any other show I've seen on cable.
It just seems so strange that supposedly straight guys would spend so much time with close ups of guys packages and shy away from women's cookies.

They can obviously show the pubic area and maybe a quick glimpse of a small part of whats underneath, but I guarantee you will never see a full closeup where a girl spreads or shows her hole.....that would probably also be considered hardcore XXX

Actually, there have been quite a few episodes with amazingly graphic shots of wide open pussy. One segment from the E show that aired in the early days of HTV was a chick blowing out a candle with her pussy and it was about as graphic as you can get.

Of course there was also a recent Marey Carey episode with her drunk in the green room actually using her hands to spread herself, and obviously some of the Eve The Queefer episodes which had some graphic shots.

But what I was talking about wasn't even these types of gyno shots, but simply a seemingly refusal to shoot a nude girl just standing there with close-ups below the waist, the same way they typically would shoot male nudity. In one High Pitch Eric episode, they actually show him jerking off, in close-up. Granted he wasn't fully aroused but still it was amazingly graphic.

That's not to say they never get shots of a girls crotch in a close-up. They have. It's just around 75% of the time they don't.

Another example: I finally got around to watching some HTV stuff I had taped. One segment Howard is interviewing some nude porn chick for about 20-25 minutes. And it was typical HTV editng. Girl takes panties down, camera cuts away within 1 second, and the remaing 25 minutes are shot either from the girls waist up, a close-up of the face, or a distant full shot. Full pan shots of the girls body, or close-ups of the pussy are no where.

Unfortunately I followed this up with an episode of Richard on the couch with his legs in the air being provided with extended close-ups of his ass hole.

Actually, there have been quite a few episodes with amazingly graphic shots of wide open pussy. One segment from the E show that aired in the early days of HTV was a chick blowing out a candle with her pussy and it was about as graphic as you can get.


I probably haven't seen nearly as many episodes as you...especially the earlier ones, so I guess I missed those more graphic episodes you speak of. You say they are doing it a lot less often now?

Hmmm.....don't know why that would be if in fact they are allowed to do it other than Howard himself having a problem with it.


Another example: I finally got around to watching some HTV stuff I had taped. One segment Howard is interviewing some nude porn chick for about 20-25 minutes. And it was typical HTV editng. Girl takes panties down, camera cuts away within 1 second, and the remaing 25 minutes are shot either from the girls waist up, a close-up of the face, or a distant full shot. Full pan shots of the girls body, or close-ups of the pussy are no where.


I agree that is just stupid and have noticed that in some eps. When they do things like that it is not really any better than just listening on the radio and really isn't worth it.

I think there are certain rules that On-Demand programming has to stay within when it comes to nudity and sexual topics because if they "cross the line", it could be considered hardcore XXX, and certain cable companies would have problems carrying it.

There might be but Howard TV won't admit it. They hinted at it when they first started posting here. The advertise it as "totally uncensored." It's listed at TV-MA and that can contain "explicit sexual activity" and InDemand has tons of porn. It's affected the show because you can see now they only offer 1 flat Sybian attachment not all the cool ones they used to have. The show is more conservative than when it started on Sirius except for gay male activity.

There's a part of me that thinks that Howard or someone working with HTV thinks maybe more cable companies would pick them up if they were less graphic but that line of thinking goes out the window when they seem to get more and more graphic with Sal and Richard's penis antics. I just fast fowarded through the Sara Sivlerman balls smelling episode to see just how close she and howrd got and how they reacted and it was just too much male genitals for me to take and I never even got to see Sara and Howard do anything. They're creeping up into gay porno territory. They'll rarely show Tabitha Steven's or mostly any other woman's vagina or asshole in any way shape or form but can't seem to get enough of extreme close-ups of Richard's penis and asshole.

I just don't get it.

There's a part of me that thinks that Howard or someone working with HTV thinks maybe more cable companies would pick them up if they were less graphic but that line of thinking goes out the window when they seem to get more and more graphic with Sal and Richard's penis antics. I just fast fowarded through the Sara Sivlerman balls smelling episode to see just how close she and howrd got and how they reacted and it was just too much male genitals for me to take and I never even got to see Sara and Howard do anything. They're creeping up into gay porno territory. They'll rarely show Tabitha Steven's or mostly any other woman's vagina or asshole in any way shape or form but can't seem to get enough of extreme close-ups of Richard's penis and asshole.

I just don't get it. I think they really did cross the line in this episode. They just love to show Richard's cock. HTV may just want to start a separate channel where they just show Richard's cock 24 hours a day on a loop. I know Howard, Doug and Scott would just love to stare at Richard's cock all day long, but I doubt anybody else would watch.

I noticed this too.

In the Sarah Silverman one, they show a close up of Richard's asshole, him spread open, and squeezing his balls to get the sweat off of it. It sounds graphics just me saying it, it was really over the line to see it.

But the female nudity is almost tastefully shot like a Cinemax episode. I don't understand this inconsistency and gender bias. One guess is maybe Sal and Richard are employees and they agree to pretty much everything, while the porn girls did not? Although it's ironic since these are porn girls, they show everything anyways.

If it was the case where they didnt want to go into hardcore XXX territory with HTV, they went pretty close with the Bigfoot one where he's blown by Tabitha. It doesnt show the actual penis, but it showed Tabitha's head bobbing up and down and making slurping noises.

HTV seems all over the place. I can't figure what's up with them. I cant complain too much though, at least we get to see these funny and insane moments. But I also agree about the strangely selective style of editing.

I noticed this too.

In the Sarah Silverman one, they show a close up of Richard's asshole, him spread open, and squeezing his balls to get the sweat off of it. It sounds graphics just me saying it, it was really over the line to see it.

I was fast forwarding through it and it was still pretty hard to get through. And they wouldn't let up! They showed the part of him working out twice and zoomed in uncomfortably close to shot his asshole. I'm sure they just kept on with the graphic closeups but I bailed before Sara and Howard even took a sniff. This is why I purposely don't watch any of the Richard and Sal stunts.

But the female nudity is almost tastefully shot like a Cinemax episode. I don't understand this inconsistency and gender bias. One guess is maybe Sal and Richard are employees and they agree to pretty much everything, while the porn girls did not? Although it's ironic since these are porn girls, they show everything anyways.

I don't think that's the case. I think they all sign a standard release form and HTV can show whatever they want. There are some girls who may be sorta uptight about that stuff but most of them don't really seem to care. And as it's been pointed out, in the past they have shown some girls vagina.

If it was the case where they didnt want to go into hardcore XXX territory with HTV, they went pretty close with the Bigfoot one where he's blown by Tabitha. It doesnt show the actual penis, but it showed Tabitha's head bobbing up and down and making slurping noises.

I thought they were extremely tame with the Tabitha/Big Foot segment. They really didn't show anything. I didn't expect them to show Tabitha's mouth on Big Foot's penis but I was expecting to see Tabitha touching his penis or at the very least a better angle of Tabitha's butt while she was blowing him. Idon't want or expect hardcore on HTV but they're very inconsistant on what they will and won't show and there doen't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it.

HTV seems all over the place. I can't figure what's up with them. I cant complain too much though, at least we get to see these funny and insane moments. But I also agree about the strangely selective style of editing.

I totally agree with you. Not only is it strange but it's often pretty bad. They'll often make a sudden cut away from a girls just as it seems if they were about to show something and cut to a shot of Robin or Artie looking down at their computer or in the middle of drinking water or something and not even paying attention to what's going on. Then they quickly cut away from that. It's often jarring and sloppy. I'm not sure who's to blame for the final product, Scott or Doug.

Good point about the cutaway shots. They would cut away to Robin surfing on the interet or drinking a cup of water lol. I understand a need for a reaction shot, to give us a sense of the entire room. But could they have chosen a more banal image than Robin drinking water or not even paying attention to the segment? They talk about these girls and tease us, and when the moment of truth arrives, we are given very short glimpses of the girl. We don't even have the luxury of soaking in all the sights without another intrusive cutaway shot.

It's like just when we're about to get to the provocative stuff, some editor over at HTV said, "Not today you aren't! Muhaha, now here's a shot of Robin drinking berry juice."

Good point about the cutaway shots. They would cut away to Robin surfing on the interet or drinking a cup of water lol. I understand a need for a reaction shot, to give us a sense of the entire room. But could they have chosen a more banal image than Robin drinking water or not even paying attention to the segment? They talk about these girls and tease us, and when the moment of truth arrives, we are given very short glimpses of the girl. We don't even have the luxury of soaking in all the sights without another intrusive cutaway shot.

It's like just when we're about to get to the provocative stuff, some editor over at HTV said, "Not today you aren't! Muhaha, now here's a shot of Robin drinking berry juice."

So who's to blame for the bad editing? Does the blame go to Scott DePace being the director and calling for cut away shots and telling his guys to go to camera #2 or zoom in here or there...Or is it Doug Goodstien who takes all the raw fottage and edits it together? I'm not exactly clear on what Scott does. I know he calls the shots but at the end of the day do they have all the footage from every camera angle or do they only end up with one master shot where Scott controls all the cut aways and shots that end up in the final version? For example if Doug wanted to show a shot of the girl's vagina instead of the useless shot of Robin reading the paper, does the vagina shot still exist from the camera that actually caught it? Or is Doug stuck with the bad Robin non-reaction shot and has to use it when he's editing the segment together?

In either case it's incredibly sloppy editing but I just wonder who's more to blame. I'd have to guess it's Scott since he has a bank of monitors in front of him to see what everyone is doing and still manages to cut to worthless shots of people in the middle of not reacting to what happening.

Let's face it Howard is to blame for hiring hacks behind the scenes and for allowing Richard and Sal to get naked every week.

Agree with everything people are saying here.

Concerning the bizarre cut-aways, there was another perfect example of this in the recent Valentina Vaughn episode.

At the precise moment when she begins to take her panties off, the camera once again cuts away to a shot of Howard for no particular reason. It then cuts back to Valentina a few seconds later thus denying the audience a pretty compelling shot.

It might seem strange, but to the guys at HTV: When a Penthouse Pet removes her panties it's OK to, ya know, SHOW IT. And then get few close ups or pan shots. Pretend it's a penis. That oughta do the trick.

I would almost believe the arguments about them backing off because they are concerned about cable companies offering it, EXCEPT for this: I live in the Baton Rouge area which is an extremely conservative location. Cox cable offers porn On-Demand here. Hardcore porn. If they can sell that with no reservations, then certainly they would offer HTV with more graphic elements.

I would think a cable company would have more trouble with a closeup of a man's asshole or dick over a woman. That's why you don't see naked men in movies. It's so bizarre that they do this.

The buck stops on Howard's desk. It should be obvious that is what he wants to see in the studio and recorded for HTV. He complains about the lighting which no one except he cares about but seems to think everything else that really sucks is great.

HTV crew editing appears to be the real problem. Tony Soprano would say, "He's a FAG!!"