On today's show Bubba said the issue with the new contract was not money. So what else?
-content control
- merchandising
-appearances
-???????
Let the theorys start flying.

Content control....

I just got the tail end of that as i got into my truck after work, i'd like to know some theories as well

obviously Creative Control

If not about money (although some of it may be about compensation), the issue at hand is completely about creative control and overall respect.

If something can be done on regular radio, why not on satellite radio (even though I know it's due to the merger and threats of lawsuits).

It must be censorship

Personally, the squashed bits, and the lack of promotion for Bubba's show seem to be the biggest problem areas. From listening to the show I can remember Bubba having heat over these two issues on the air more than anything else. There has never been any mention of corporate trying to squash t-shirt sales.

I'd love to know, but I feel better about the fact that they have settled on a number. If it's about content, I can't believe Bubba would consider going back to testicular radio. They can't do shit on regular radio these days. Could the suits be asking to pre-approve all bits?

I know Bubba has been disappointed in the lack of promotion of the show from Sirius. Could he be expecting them to foot the bill (or a portion) of some of his meet and greets? I don't know, just tossing some things out there.

Fuck, this must have happened in the 5 minutes I was in the shop.

The one other thing that has been mentioned before, but I doubt it is the sticking point at this juncture, is them moving to L.A or New York.

"we can't even talk about head" Oprah is more shocking than we are....here is our answer

I just thought of something else content related. Sirius would not let Bubba air the fights in the Bubbagon live. So he tapes them and replays them from Bubbaraw. The new contract probably wants to prohibit this kind of end around corporate policy.

bubba should be happy with whatever sirius wants....he has no leverage AT ALL. if howard didnt get involved, bubba wouldve never been offered a new contract.

I just thought of something else content related. Sirius would not let Bubba air the fights in the Bubbagon live. So he tapes them and replays them from Bubbaraw. The new contract probably wants to prohibit this kind of end around corporate policy.

that's a good point, but Howard does the same thing (with Sirius material) on Howard On Demand - a separate entity from Sirius.

bubba should be happy with whatever sirius wants....he has no leverage AT ALL. if howard didnt get involved, bubba wouldve never been offered a new contract.

Should he now? Thanks for the insight.

that's a good point, but Howard does the same thing (with Sirius material) on Howard On Demand - a separate entity from Sirius. Does Howard air matierial that corporate told him not to do LIVE? That is more the point.

Does Howard air matierial that corporate told him not to do LIVE? That is more the point.

Howard has the right to walk into other shows live on the air. If other shows did that to Howard or anyone else, they'd be disciplined (at least).

I only wish those first few months with Sirius, Lasker would walk into Shade 45 live on the air and see their reaction.

bubba should be happy with whatever sirius wants....he has no leverage AT ALL. if howard didnt get involved, bubba wouldve never been offered a new contract.
wow, im sure glad you took the time to post that, i was bamboozled into thinking bubba had talent and considerably more leverage than 2 yrs ago. well, silly me!

Does Howard have the same restrictions as Bubba?

I have to assume that these restrictions are coming from somewhere higher up than Tim Sabean. The lawyers??

Im guess Content control and I'm willing to bet that they want him to broadcast from NYC...Maybe?

Im guess Content control and I'm willing to bet that they want him to broadcast from NYC...Maybe? I don't know that Sirius has enough money to get Bubba to move to NYC. That would be a deal killer from the outset. It would make it easier for them to try and control him though. I can just see Sabean sitting behind Bubba with a Taser to his neck :D

wow, im sure glad you took the time to post that, i was bamboozled into thinking bubba had talent and considerably more leverage than 2 yrs ago. well, silly me!


WTF?? talent and leverage. examples?

What would happen to sirius if they threw him away? Nothing at all.

What would happen to sirius if they threw howard away? Total distruction of the company.

Thats leverage!

As far as the talent, you'll have to educate me because i dont see any at all.

WTF?? talent and leverage. examples?

What would happen to sirius if they threw him away? Nothing at all.

What would happen to sirius if they threw howard away? Total distruction of the company.

Thats leverage!

As far as the talent, you'll have to educate me because i dont see any at all.

OK, we get it, you are not a Bubba fan. The rest of this site will be happy to listen to your bullshit. This is the Bubba Fan forum. Be positive or at least constructive or GET THE FUCK OUT!

They want Bubba in NEW YORK. It's that simple!!!

Perhaps Mel wants a mixin with Heather Clem and his wife...

We can speculate all we want, but until Bubba tells us what the issue is, we're not going to know. I would suspect its more that just one thing, too...could be content control/censorship AND issues over merchandising, location of the show, etc. Who knows. He'll either sign and we'll be happy...or in about 30 days, we'll know all about the issues.

WTF?? talent and leverage. examples?

What would happen to sirius if they threw him away? Nothing at all.

What would happen to sirius if they threw howard away? Total distruction of the company.

Thats leverage!

As far as the talent, you'll have to educate me because i dont see any at all.

Yeah way to go Multy McShitstir. You were so moved by this whole thing that you decided to start an account and talk trash?

Oh, and I can't 'see' any talent either... since they're on the radio and all.

What are your predictions? I think he's gone. I won't cancel my subscription cause regular radio blows so much dick, but I have truly come to love his show.

if Bubba doesn't sign the deal he's a fat fucking idiot..take the money and run, no matter WHAT the restrictions they put on him, short of forcing him to move to NY, it's still 100% better than any terrestrial deal he would get..even censored sat radio is better than regular radio..if he's getting the money he wants and now he's just bitching about giving up some creative control, well, he's just being a whiney baby now...Bubba, they are showing you the fucking money, take it and shut the fuck up..

Content control....
He has SO much more content control at Sirius than could be possible at terrestrial radio.

He has SO much more content control at Sirius than could be possible at terrestrial radio.

Agreed.

A few weeks ago, this was all about money and making sure he could provide for his employees. With that seemingly settled, he may be willing to walk away because of creative differences? There's got to be more to this.



and I can't wait to hear it.

They want him exclusively and he wants to a teresteral show in addition is what I am thinking.
And when people say its not about the money 9 times out of 10 its about the money 1 way or another. Not saying that to disparige Bubba cuz I think hes worth alot.

Too bad they can't just extend his current contract until the merger happens.....then they'll have clearer heads and less to worry about. IMHO

I think Bubba probably settled on less than what he deserved as far as money goes, but doesn't want to sign some clause in the contract they gave him about creative stuff, or pre-approving bits.

It's pretty clear Bubba wants to stay with Sirius, and I really beleive that is his best option. He will grow more fan base than he already has (did an amazing job in just 2 years), it gives him a great outlet to sell merch and Bubba raw subscirptions. The podcast thing, without some kind of mainstay media outlet to promote it, would dry up eventually and be a dead end for Bubba. There is as stigma about going to podcast, because it is deserved.

I'm glad to know it is not about money though. I'm sure none of us have any clue about the issues at hand - but if it is about something other than money, like creativity, than he can always hold his head up walking away because of that. Until today a bigger chunk of me was saying "you should be happy to not still be unemployed, suck it up, and take the job" but I'm glad to know it is not a money issue standing in the way.

bubba should be happy with whatever sirius wants....he has no leverage AT ALL. if howard didnt get involved, bubba wouldve never been offered a new contract.

Shut up, faggot.

If its not about the $$$ anymore than he should sign ... as others stated he'd get less freedom on FM

Fucking A. The Fark haters migrated over to SFN tonight.

I missed the show today, actualy conditioning myself to go back to regular radio. Listened to 620 WDAE and 103.5 today... wasn't bad at all. Caught Jim Philips on the way back and some O-Rock to top the sundae off with.

Got news for ya Sirius, I could really use my 35 bucks a month that I'm spending for subscriptions right now. If Bubba's not resigned its no loss for me. 10 bucks a month at Bubba Raw is nothing, and add up the 25 bucks a month savings, thats a brand new 8 gb Touch Screen iPod right there. Either way, I'm spending the same amount of money next year to be entertained by Bubba. Its the only thing that keeps me sane.

That and the weed. :weed:

So if he's happy with the $ amount, why is he still not signing? Obviously they "showed him the fucking money," but now he's going to find new things to complain about? It's getting old. The show is much funnier since they moved away from the stunts. If corporate doesn't want them doing shock collars, Bubba is talented enough to do good radio without it. Sounds to me like we're in for another holiday disaster known as the Bubba Fireside Chat. Anybody else recall last years tantrum? Without a contract, Bubba's FSC 2007 should be even more embarassing. But I'll be listening.

So if he's happy with the $ amount, why is he still not signing? Obviously they "showed him the fucking money," but now he's going to find new things to complain about? It's getting old. The show is much funnier since they moved away from the stunts. If corporate doesn't want them doing shock collars, Bubba is talented enough to do good radio without it. Sounds to me like we're in for another holiday disaster known as the Bubba Fireside Chat. Anybody else recall last years tantrum? Without a contract, Bubba's FSC 2007 should be even more embarassing. But I'll be listening.

Dead on ... :beer:

WTF?? talent and leverage. examples?

What would happen to sirius if they threw him away? Nothing at all.

What would happen to sirius if they threw howard away? Total distruction of the company.

Thats leverage!

As far as the talent, you'll have to educate me because i dont see any at all.

Do you think Sirius has the foresight to see that Bubba is picking up enough steam to take over (a la Howard coming in and Imus going out) when Howard leaves? I admit, about a year ago I would have made the same stupid comment (If I ever fealt passionate enough to be registered on this site....) After giving Bubba a chance, I honestly look forward to him and the boys daily, and have my stilletto set to record each show just in case I miss a minute! I listened to Howard today for the first time in weeks. Guess what they were talking about?......... Artie is fat, Sal is creepy, Richard is gay etc. etc. Obviously I like (or liked) Howards show A LOT because he got me to sign up for Sirius. I am now a full Bubba mark and NEED to hear him daily (I've never fealt this passionately about Howard) I beleive Bubba is what Howard used to be and just hope that he doesn't lose his edge once he gets the big fat payday he deserves! Sirius may not "collapse" if Bubba goes, but they will feel the effects much more than I think they realize. How many NEW subs do you think Howard will bring in? How many people still haven't even heard of Bubba YET? What are they going to do when Howards contract is up? You want to talk about $$$?

do you hear what I hear?..

shitty negotiation violation... shitty negotiation violation..... BEEP..

I don't think Carl Harris can't make this for Sirius fast enough!!

..just re-sign Bubba and not only will you get great radio, maybe they could throw some carsons ribs in.. :D

I think Bubba probably settled on less than what he deserved as far as money goes, but doesn't want to sign some clause in the contract they gave him about creative stuff, or pre-approving bits.

It's pretty clear Bubba wants to stay with Sirius, and I really beleive that is his best option. He will grow more fan base than he already has (did an amazing job in just 2 years), it gives him a great outlet to sell merch and Bubba raw subscirptions. The podcast thing, without some kind of mainstay media outlet to promote it, would dry up eventually and be a dead end for Bubba. There is as stigma about going to podcast, because it is deserved.

I'm glad to know it is not about money though. I'm sure none of us have any clue about the issues at hand - but if it is about something other than money, like creativity, than he can always hold his head up walking away because of that. Until today a bigger chunk of me was saying "you should be happy to not still be unemployed, suck it up, and take the job" but I'm glad to know it is not a money issue standing in the way.

I think the whole creative thing from Sirius point of view is that they do not want...
people tortured on air
possibly dangerous situations on air
violence that could result in a lawsuit
graphic sexual acts

I think the whole creative thing from Sirius point of view is that they do not want...
people tortured on air
possibly dangerous situations on air
violence that could result in a lawsuit
graphic sexual acts

Although that this is all assuming at this point, I will comment that these bits are typically my least favorite parts of the show. The guys are their best being themselves, among themselves.

Personally, I'd much rather have a restrained Bubba-Lite than have him disappear to a market I can't get.

Bubba is the man, keep fighting for us and get as much control as possible,

Even if Bubba takes the money, he know that Corporate still has the power to say "dont do this bit or else".

Bubba needs to take back his show and have more control over it.

and bring back the Shit-A-Thon, next thanksgiving!

Bubba is the man, keep fighting for us and get as much control as possible,

Even if Bubba takes the money, he know that Corporate still has the power to say "dont do this bit or else".

Bubba needs to take back his show and have more control over it.

and bring back the Shit-A-Thon, next thanksgiving!

Problem is this, if he fights for more control and Sirius cuts off negotiations Bubba is more or less forced back to mainstream radio where he is going to have no control over content

Although that this is all assuming at this point, I will comment that these bits are typically my least favorite parts of the show. The guys are their best being themselves, among themselves.

Personally, I'd much rather have a restrained Bubba-Lite than have him disappear to a market I can't get.

Thats the thing.

You want censored Bubba on Uncensored satellite radio.

Thats the thing.

You want censored Bubba on Uncensored satellite radio.

Satellite Radio may be uncensored from the FCC....

but it's not from it's, management, Shareholders and Board of Directors & that 's part of the problem..

its gotta be over content. the latest apocalypse ned beeps the n word, yet i heard artie use it today. double standard? could be wabbit, could be....

my guesses would be:

- staff downsizing
- bubba's merch

its gotta be over content. the latest apocalypse ned beeps the n word, yet i heard artie use it today. double standard? could be wabbit, could be....


see i dont think its cencorship. i think maybe they want bubba out or his home studio, downsize his staff, profit sharing with sirius on merch

see i dont think its cencorship. i think maybe they want bubba out or his home studio, downsize his staff, profit sharing with sirius on merch

that is always another possibility. im sure the suits would be tickled to be able to keep bubba under their thumb in NYC

Content control.... BINGO!!!!

the bottom line is always
cash

I haven't read every post in this thread (so if this is a repeat, I apologize), but has anyone mentioned the possibility of Sirius still wanting the crew to work from NY? Obviously, that would be a sticking point given Bubba's family situation. I remember hearing him saying they wanted him in NY a couple of times during his first year. Just a thought. I hope they re-sign, obviously, I really enjoy the show.

I don't see why being in NY really matters. They pay BRN for the show and he pays whoever he wants and maintains his own studio...seems to work well.

Plus, Bubba in NY would take away the southern redneck flavor that pervades the show. If the show is in NY, we have zero chance of Lasker returning. The racing aspect would change, etc. It would be a much different show. And different isnt always better.

Bubba would be miserable in NYC and the show would suffer.

From Jeton in another thread:

"Billy West has told LA WEEKLY and said for years on his own board and elsewhere that the real reason he left THSH is that Tom Chiusano demanded he sign an agreement indemnifying KROCK/Infinity from any and all lawsuits that might arise as a result of Billy's impressions of people like Marge Schott and Cardinal OConnor."

So is that Sirius would want the same from Bubba? Here's the money but you're on your own as far as Sirius being your employer. Health benefits, travel to other cities (meet and greets) are all on Bubba's tab.

Moving to NY doesn't make sense in the fact that the shows sounds great from Tampa and it would mean uprooting several families.

and yes content control has always been an issue (how many shows have we heard that they're getting a call from corporate).

the bottom line is always
cash

http://www.penmachine.com/images/cashfinger-big.jpg

This is all going to come down to content control. I think Bubba has had enough of Tim calling and telling them what bits they can/can't do.

content is the issue

Bubba just said he is willing to accept less money.
I find this really REALLY hard to believe, because if it's not the money, then what the hell is it???

I can't seee Bubba taking less money, unless he doesnt want Sirius involved in his self-promotion (a la Bubbapolloza, selling swag) and Sirius wants product control.

I'd really love to know what's REALLY going on...there's more to this story than meets the eye.

He may be willing to accept less from Sirius, but I'm guessing it's some side ventures that are the problem. Less from Sirius, more from other places and that's where Sirius has the problem.

I think the deal must be less money for Bubba while Sirius starts paying the other on air staff. It just doesnt make sense for Bubba to take a paycut while continuing to pay everyone else out of his pocket unless he doesnt have any other viable options.

got to be content he can't shock the pus anymore Brent is alway saying he is on the phone with corp -got to be content -they would not let him do all kinds a of things he has to do it after the live show is off an put it on Bubba raw---he could not even give a beer to the homeless guys :mad:

On today's show Bubba said the issue with the new contract was not money. So what else?
-content control
- merchandising
-appearances
-???????
Let the theorys start flying. No more Bull shit at sirius we prefer to call it horseshit

Regarding my post earlier about Sirius wanting Bubba in NY, I thought Bubba's very direct question to Ferrall about what he would rather do (work from NY or FLA for the same money), then, Bubba going on about hating NY points to Sirius possibly wanting him to work out of NY. It makes sense to me that it could possibly be one of the issues.

Don't forget that Bubba pays the health insurance cost for his guys, the overhead for the BRN and general expenses. All along I was really pro Sirius, telling everyone how great Sirius is, now my opinion has changed.

The issue can't be content, Bubba mujst have said OK, I'll take less money but then I want this....and they won't give it to him.

I think he's just saying all this shit so everyone keeps putting him over. "if you leave i'm canceling" and if it is content... he should be able to do what he wants.. if people don't like it turn it off! just my opinion!

Greg Fitzsimmons said last night that he signed a contract that said he can be sued personally for what he says (Not Sirius).

Maybe thats an issue with Bubba

Greg Fitzsimmons said last night that he signed a contract that said he can be sued personally for what he says (Not Sirius).

Maybe thats an issue with Bubba

I didn't hear Greg last night, but that's the thing that made Billy West leave Howard's show.
Perhaps that is what the hold up is...I know Howard and his people did NOT have that in their contract.
Instead of trying people's hamstrings, these stations need to stop being pussies and stand up to these crybabies who bitch about being mentioned and NOT being mentioned.

If money isn't the issue for Bubba, that might be the case.
BUT, i can't believe a terrestral station would not be as strict because of the FCC.

I think Bubba should stay on Sirius...I can see he getting fired with in a year if he goes back to Terrestrial.

When Bubba says the issue isn't money- then the issue is money!

I emailed Brent last night about this and he said it wasnt a matter of creative control its a matter of that they, as he described it, are going through what Howard did at WNBC

I emailed Brent last night about this and he said it wasnt a matter of creative control its a matter of that they, as he described it, are going through what Howard did at WNBC




So that means that somebody there at Sirius doesn't like what Bubba is about?

here's the deal... they probably knew months ago that there was no way sirius would meet the sweet deal they were offered locally, but they held out hope. once it became clear that sirius wasn't going to ante up, they offered the simulcast option to sirius for less than what sirius was initially willing to pay them. to which, the controlling fuck hole suits at sirius said, "no way, if you're with us you're with us, we dont want your simulcast jones." however a simulcast deal isn't completely dead, if not on sirius, possibly on xm.

or so it seems to an avid listener reading between the lines/songs... ;)

i'm slightly high, but this really makes sense to me right now! :D

So that means that somebody there at Sirius doesn't like what Bubba is about?

More that it seems they want even more control over content IMO

It will be a LOT worse on FM though

More that it seems they want even more control over content IMO

It will be a LOT worse on FM though


Not Necessaraly. Cox is a big company who would make a killing with Bubba back in Tampa, enough money to cover whatever fines he brought to them. And thats just in Tampa, you know they would syndicate him to Pheonix, LA, Vegas, New York, all the markets he does huge in.