Lawyers: McNamee has physical evidence linking Clemens to steroids

By TERI THOMPSON, CHRISTIAN RED, NATHANIEL VINTON and MICHAEL O'KEEFFE
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITERS

Wednesday, February 6th 2008, 3:32 PM

Brian McNamee has turned over physical evidence to federal investigators that he believes will show Roger Clemens used performance-enhancing drugs, according to McNamee's lawyers.

"This is evidence the government has that we believe will corroborate Brian in every significant way," said McNamee lawyer Earl Ward.

McNamee's attorneys would not discuss the details of the evidence, but according to a source close to the former Yankee strength and conditioning coach, McNamee gave the Justice Department's BALCO investigators vials with traces of steroids and growth hormone, as well as blood-stained syringes and gauze pads that may contain the Rocket's DNA.

Justice Department officials have sent the evidence to a lab for testing, and if the materials do indeed contain traces of drugs and blood, prosecutors may attempt to get a court order for a DNA sample from Clemens.

McNamee plans to discuss the evidence with the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform tomorrow, when he is interviewed by the panel's attorneys in preparation for next Wednesday's congressional hearing on the challenges Clemens has raised about the Mitchell Report.

"We will provide Congress with corroborative physical evidence that takes this case out of the he-said, she-said purview," said another McNamee lawyer, Richard Emery. "From our point of view, this corroborates that Brian told the truth from Day One and Clemens has not."

Clemens' attorneys Rusty Hardin and Lanny Breuer did not return calls for comment.

The explosive evidence could pose big problems for the seven-time Cy Young Award winner, who emerged from a five-hour deposition with committee investigators yesterday and told reporters that he had testified under oath that he had never used illict drugs.

Clemens has repeatedly denied using performance-enhancing drugs ever since the Mitchell Report was released on Dec. 13, but if he did indeed reiterate his denials under oath, the stakes become significantly higher. Clemens could be charged under a federal law that penalizes anyone who knowingly and willfully lies to Congress. The law, 18 U.S.C. 1001, allows prison terms up to a five-year in length.

"We're not going to make any judgments until we see all the evidence," said Keith Ausbrook, the committee's Republican general counsel. "We're going to have to wait to see what Mr. McNamee tells us."

Other witnesses may also come forward with information that corroborates McNamee's account in the Mitchell Report, the source said. McNamee told former Sen. George Mitchell he injected Clemens with performance-enhancing drugs at least 16 times in 1998, 2000 and 2001.

McNamee kept syringes, gauze pads and vials from the 2000 and 2001 seasons because he feared Clemens would deny illicit drug use if the matter was ever investigated, the source added.

McNamee has not talked about the evidence in the past, the source said, because he did not want to implicate Clemens in Major League Baseball's ongoing steroid scandal. But Clemens has left McNamee no choice: The Rocket filed a defamation lawsuit naming McNamee as a defendant shortly after the Mitchell Report's release, and Clemens' legal and public relations team have spent weeks attacking the Breezy Point resident's credibility.

Although Clemens has repeatedly denied steroid use, he has said McNamee, his longtime personal trainer and the Yankees assistant strength and conditioning coach in 2000 and 2001, did give him B-12 and lidocaine injections. But the source said the government's lab tests could prove the vials and syringes contained illict drugs, not a vitamin or a pain killer.

The House Oversight Committee has already shown it will not tolerate ballplayers who lie to lawmakers. The committee's chairman, Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) asked the Justice Department to investigate whether Astros shortstop Miguel Tejada lied on Aug. 26, 2005, when Tejada told congressional aides investigating then-Baltimore Orioles teammate Rafael Palmeiro them that he didn't use steroids and didn't know other players who did.

Tejada is now the focus of an FBI investigation, likely to center on the transcribed interview in question, and the contradictory evidence laid out in the Mitchell Report on performance-enhancing drugs and baseball, which includes photographed reproductions of a signed check Tejada wrote in 2003 to his then-teammate Adam Piatt, who told Mitchell the check was for drugs.

McNamee will be the fifth person interviewed by congressional investigators preparing for next week's hearing.

One key witness against Clemens could be his longtime friend and teammate Pettitte, who met with the same congressional investigators for 2 1/2 hours on Monday.

Committee staff members and Pettitte's lawyers declined to talk about his interview, which was expected to focus on Pettitte's admission that he used human growth hormone as noted in the Mitchell Report. But Pettitte's testimony could also be devastating for Clemens. The pitchers have been famously close friends in their years together with the Yankees and Houston Astros. Both used McNamee as a trainer.

Ward, moreover, told the Daily News last week that he expected Pettitte to tell investigators about a conversation he had with Clemens and McNamee about performance-enhancing drugs during a workout session at Clemens' Houston-area home before the 2002 season.

Former Met clubhouse attendant Kirk Radomski, meanwhile, meets with the House Oversight Committee investigators on Tuesday, the same day the panel will hold a hearing entitled "Myths and Facts About Human Growth Hormone, B-12 and Other Substances." That hearing is being held prior to the Mitchell Report hearing to help lawmakers understand the "true effects" of the substances, according to a statement from the committee.

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I wonder how nuge will spin this.

That is awesome. I wish they had released this after Clemens testified so he could be prosecuted for perjury and we can throw his lying Yankee ass into the clink.

First the Super Bowl, then Johan Santana, and now this. Pleasure overload...pleasure overload...

:bigclap:

I wonder how nuge will spin this. If Clemens had stayed in Boston nuge would've been all over his ass. Clemens will plead the 5th next week.

First the Super Bowl, then Johan Santana, and now this. Pleasure overload...pleasure overload...

:lol:

My thoughts exactly! :D

:funny:

My bad guys. Clemens already did testify under oath before Congress. That damn fool just got caught in the perjury trap. He should have known the trainer kept some physical evidence. This reminds me of Monica Lewensky's semen stained dress which gave the lie to Bill Clinton's famous "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewensky."

Do not forget!!

Clemens spent approximately 5 hrs on Capital Hill yesterday testifying UNDER OATH!

He is due back next week for round #2

They got him now :rofl:

My bad guys. Clemens already did testify under oath before Congress. That damn fool just got caught in the perjury trap. He should have known the trainer kept some physical evidence. This reminds me of Monica Lewensky's semen stained dress which gave the lie to Bill Clinton's famous "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewensky." Speaking of sex, Clemens is fucked.

He is MAJOR LEAGUE fucked.

:jj:

What are his lawyers and family saying now........:jj:

Clemens should of known McNamee had some kind of evidence on him. He wouldn't risk going to jail without any kind of evidence. He should of followed Pettite's lead and admit he took steroids.

:lol:

His son is in single A I believe...

he thought he got heckled before for being Roger's kid... :lol:

He should quit baseball immediately. :jj:

My bad guys. Clemens already did testify under oath before Congress. That damn fool just got caught in the perjury trap. He should have known the trainer kept some physical evidence. This reminds me of Monica Lewensky's semen stained dress which gave the lie to Bill Clinton's famous "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewensky."

Exactly what I was going to say, he was under oath yesterday when he was lying his ass off. Now, he's up shit's creek!!! :bigclap: :bigclap:

i hope it's true, but i also think they might be bluffing. i have my doubts that McNamee would have kept syringes, gauze pads and vials from 2000 and 2001. i guess we'll see how scared Clemens is now. he's in so deep that he might not be able to come clean.

i hope it's true, but i also think they might be bluffing. i have my doubts that McNamee would have kept kept syringes, gauze pads and vials from 2000 and 2001. i guess we'll see how scared Clemens is now. he's in so deep that he might not be able to come clean.

The syringers, gauze pads, and vials might not be Clemens, but I'm sure he has them. His lawyers wouldn't lie by saying they have them and they don't.

Why WOULDN'T McNamee have kept syringes etc. etc.?

Perfect way to cover your ass.

The syringers, gauze pads, and vials might not be Clemens, but I'm sure he has them. His lawyers wouldn't lie by saying they have them and they don't. I guess they'll test for DNA so they had better be Clemens". If so, he's fucked.

He kept them for this exact reason. He know it could come down to a he said/she said..

So sad he is. why in the fuck didnt he just man up. now all he worked for all his life was for nothing. he had to be a stubborn asshole to the end. he was the greatest pitcher of our time.

So sad he is. why in the fuck didnt he just man up. now all he worked for all his life was for nothing. he had to be a stubborn asshole to the end. he was the greatest pitcher of our time. ..........and he dragged Pettite down with him. Any real Yankee fan should despise him for that alone.

I guess they'll test for DNA so they had better be Clemens". If so, he's fucked.

I don't know shit about DNA and all that crap. I would think after 7 years the blood or whatever would wear out, but I guess not. I hope this is true. Clemens is the next Palmeiro if it is.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/photo/2006-06/18760993.jpg

Then a couple weeks later he fails a test that was great.

Why WOULDN'T McNamee have kept syringes etc. etc.?

Perfect way to cover your ass.

i guess he must have assumed that he would be busted down the road.

I don't know shit about DNA and all that crap. I would think after 7 years the blood or whatever would wear out, but I guess not. I hope this is true. Clemens is the next Palmeiro if it is.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/photo/2006-06/18760993.jpg

Then a couple weeks later he fails a test that was great.

no i've heard testing dna on someone dead and buried over 100 years.

i guess he must have assumed that he would be busted down the road.
exactly...He had a hunch that it could eventually come down to this. I mean, what did he have to lose?

Shit like this always comes out eventually.

Once again, for the millionth time: It's not the crime that kills ya, it's the cover-up.

it is a bad day in baseball.

not true at all...Great day in flushing today, JOOOOOOOOOHAN!! :D

you think he would have learned his lesson from Marion Jones about lying. hopefully him and Bonds will be joining her in prison.

i hope it's true, but i also think they might be bluffing. i have my doubts that McNamee would have kept syringes, gauze pads and vials from 2000 and 2001. i guess we'll see how scared Clemens is now. he's in so deep that he might not be able to come clean.

Would you think a woman would keep and not wash a dress someone jizzed on for years?

it is a bad day in baseball. Baseball will be fine. Clemens? That's another story.

Would you think a woman would keep and not wash a dress someone jizzed on for years? Hey man, that's presidential cum!

Would you think a woman would keep and not wash a dress someone jizzed on for years?

that was President of the United States jizz though. :)

Baseball will be fine. Clemens? That's another story.

what that man did, no other pitcher i will see in my lifetime will do. he was the best. 7 cy youngs 358 wins come on. he was incredible. threw it all away.

he was only incredible because he cheated!

There is a reason why nobody else has ever been that incredible.

what that man did, no other pitcher i will see in my lifetime will do.

Well, yeah - now we know why.

What's worse steroids or a video tape?

what that man did, no other pitcher i will see in my lifetime will do. he was the best. 7 cy youngs 358 wins come on. he was incredible. threw it all away. My point only is that Baseball will survive. As far as Clemens isn't everything after Boston sort of tainted now?

he was only incredible because he cheated!

There is a reason why nobody else has ever been that incredible.

vedddy twue. his work out regimen lmao... needle up.

what that man did, no other pitcher i will see in my lifetime will do. he was the best. 7 cy youngs 358 wins come on. he was incredible. threw it all away.

Sorry to say it but it's time for him to pay his debt to society if he broke the law.

* Roger Clemens

Sorry to say it but it's time for him to pay his debt to society if he broke the law.

* Roger Clemens

he got paid bigtime too. he fucked so many fans.

How do most Yank fans feel about Roger now, I wonder?

(Not shitbirds like Nuge)

what that man did, no other pitcher i will see in my lifetime will do. he was the best. 7 cy youngs 358 wins come on. he was incredible. threw it all away.

just think what Nolan Ryan would have done if he was on steroids.

I would love input from people like Bpalm and DestroyVega...

I think none of them thought he was innocent anyway.

How do most Yank fans feel about Roger now, I wonder?

(Not shitbirds like Nuge)

nuge isnt a yankees fan.




How To Spot a Bandwagon Fan
John Ciccarelli / Columnist

Published Wednesday, February 21, 2007

Issue 79 / Volume 87

For every true sports fan who lives and dies with each thrilling and gut-wrenching game his team endures throughout the season, there is a bandwagon fan who basks in the glory of a team’s victory, but only after that team has hoisted the trophy over their head. For those unfamiliar with the idea of bandwagon fans, they are simply individuals who lend their support to a team, only after that team has had proven success.

The most common cases of this occur when someone decides to follow a new sport, and therefore, must choose a team to support. Well, why should they show any loyalty to a local team or a struggling team, when they can throw themselves onto the bandwagon of a proven winner? People like to be associated with winners or success stories; it makes them feel better about themselves. But, that doesn’t make the process of jumping on the bandwagon any more acceptable.

Everyone who is a true sports fan knows that being a fan is a way of life. For example, if I know that my buddy’s favorite team is playing an important game Monday afternoon, and I’m planning on seeing him later that night, I should be able to tell whether his team won or lost within the first minute of talking to him. His attitude and the way he carries himself should tip me off as to what the final score probably was. When you’re a true fan, the emotional swings that go along with your team’s highs and lows carry over into your daily activities. The opposite is true with bandwagon fans: they don’t experience the lows because they realize that they could just jump ship at any time if their current team isn’t on top anymore. Since bandwagon fans can be hazardous to your sports viewing experience, it is my duty to inform you of how to spot and avoid these individuals at all costs.

Bandwagon fans can most easily be spotted by the jerseys they wear. Anytime someone is sporting the jersey of the current champion, and said jersey is that of the recent MVP of the championship series, it’s blatantly obvious that a perpetrator is at large. If the jersey, or in some cases matching hat, looks brand new, this is only further supporting evidence of their status as a fair-weather fan.

True sports fans don’t need to buy an overpriced program because they already know, virtually up to the minute, everything that’s going on with their team. The bandwagon fan uses the program as a tool to mask his or her inferior knowledge of their team’s happenings. The exception to this is if a father or mother buys a program for their child. This is not only an anti-bandwagoning movement; it is simply part of the preparation process for their child to one day, in the near future, become a tried and true sports fan.

No matter how hard I try, I can’t seem to flush out of my memory the image of the sea of Red Sox hats and jerseys that popped up after their World Series victory. Then, there’s also the fact that my family and I would regularly attend Angels games on vacation because we enjoyed being able to watch a game in a nice park without the noisy crowds, since the ballpark was nearly always empty. Well, all it took was one World Series win, and suddenly, knowing a scalper was your only chance of getting into the park on game day, as the bandwagon fans took over the stadium in droves.

No one is saying that you have to memorize the starting lineup of your squad from the 1950 season, but there’s a certain baseline of minimum knowledge that must be exceeded by all true fans. The bandwagon fan doesn’t know of, or care about, meeting this minimum requirement. In fact, a bandwagoner’s knowledge about his newly acquired favorite team usually dates back to the day before the last championship parade.

For all of the criticisms that bandwagoners receive, I feel that it is only fair to recognize the tremendous amount of courage they possess. After all, these courageous individuals risk life, limb and any semblance of team loyalty when they leap from one bandwagon to the next.




he proved his colors last year when the yanks were losing.

I would love input from people like Bpalm and DestroyVega...

I think none of them thought he was innocent anyway.

destroys cool. he sees shit for what it is.

nuge isnt a yankees fan.




How To Spot a Bandwagon Fan
John Ciccarelli / Columnist

Published Wednesday, February 21, 2007

Issue 79 / Volume 87

For every true sports fan who lives and dies with each thrilling and gut-wrenching game his team endures throughout the season, there is a bandwagon fan who basks in the glory of a team’s victory, but only after that team has hoisted the trophy over their head. For those unfamiliar with the idea of bandwagon fans, they are simply individuals who lend their support to a team, only after that team has had proven success.

The most common cases of this occur when someone decides to follow a new sport, and therefore, must choose a team to support. Well, why should they show any loyalty to a local team or a struggling team, when they can throw themselves onto the bandwagon of a proven winner? People like to be associated with winners or success stories; it makes them feel better about themselves. But, that doesn’t make the process of jumping on the bandwagon any more acceptable.

Everyone who is a true sports fan knows that being a fan is a way of life. For example, if I know that my buddy’s favorite team is playing an important game Monday afternoon, and I’m planning on seeing him later that night, I should be able to tell whether his team won or lost within the first minute of talking to him. His attitude and the way he carries himself should tip me off as to what the final score probably was. When you’re a true fan, the emotional swings that go along with your team’s highs and lows carry over into your daily activities. The opposite is true with bandwagon fans: they don’t experience the lows because they realize that they could just jump ship at any time if their current team isn’t on top anymore. Since bandwagon fans can be hazardous to your sports viewing experience, it is my duty to inform you of how to spot and avoid these individuals at all costs.

Bandwagon fans can most easily be spotted by the jerseys they wear. Anytime someone is sporting the jersey of the current champion, and said jersey is that of the recent MVP of the championship series, it’s blatantly obvious that a perpetrator is at large. If the jersey, or in some cases matching hat, looks brand new, this is only further supporting evidence of their status as a fair-weather fan.

True sports fans don’t need to buy an overpriced program because they already know, virtually up to the minute, everything that’s going on with their team. The bandwagon fan uses the program as a tool to mask his or her inferior knowledge of their team’s happenings. The exception to this is if a father or mother buys a program for their child. This is not only an anti-bandwagoning movement; it is simply part of the preparation process for their child to one day, in the near future, become a tried and true sports fan.

No matter how hard I try, I can’t seem to flush out of my memory the image of the sea of Red Sox hats and jerseys that popped up after their World Series victory. Then, there’s also the fact that my family and I would regularly attend Angels games on vacation because we enjoyed being able to watch a game in a nice park without the noisy crowds, since the ballpark was nearly always empty. Well, all it took was one World Series win, and suddenly, knowing a scalper was your only chance of getting into the park on game day, as the bandwagon fans took over the stadium in droves.

No one is saying that you have to memorize the starting lineup of your squad from the 1950 season, but there’s a certain baseline of minimum knowledge that must be exceeded by all true fans. The bandwagon fan doesn’t know of, or care about, meeting this minimum requirement. In fact, a bandwagoner’s knowledge about his newly acquired favorite team usually dates back to the day before the last championship parade.

For all of the criticisms that bandwagoners receive, I feel that it is only fair to recognize the tremendous amount of courage they possess. After all, these courageous individuals risk life, limb and any semblance of team loyalty when they leap from one bandwagon to the next.




he proved his colors last year when the yanks were losing.


:rofl:

god damn, that is awesome :jj:

:bigcry: DOUCHE67 :bigcry:

destroys cool. he sees shit for what it is.
exactly..He always sees Yankees stuff for what it is.

:rofl:

god damn, that is awesome :jj:

that should be nuge's sig

http://images.jrcinteractive.com/binaries/FSImage/2007/12/13/1197605170784_web_12_14_page_one_EPS_copy.jpg

That is awesome. I wish they had released this after Clemens testified so he could be prosecuted for perjury and we can throw his lying Yankee ass into the clink.

They did. Even though it was only the first stage (and a private session), it still has all the bearing of the public one on the 13th which is why this was released today.

They did. Even though it was only the first stage (and a private session), it still has all the bearing of the public one on the 13th which is why this was released today.

Hey, Clemens wanted to play hardball. So they are playing hardball!! :rofl:

While I always thought Clemens was guilty, I'll wait and see what said evidence is... another check? means nothing really when the trainer gets you basically everything... Also, why all this physical evidence in the Mitchell Report but not this piece?...

Like I said, always thought Clemens was guilty, but I won't consider this a smoking gun until we see what it is.

The fag convention busted out with the lolz smileyz and big claps.

Hey, Clemens wanted to play hardball. So they are playing hardball!! :rofl:
How does this implicate Clemens? They better have more than just this physical evidence.


Clemens has admitted to being injected with B12 and lidocaine. haha




This is going nowhere, ladies, even if he is lying.

The fag convention busted out with the lolz smileyz and big claps. Well, it is a thread about Clemens taking it in the ass, so........

Oh, needles with blood. :rolleyes:


He could've filled them up with whatever chemicals he wanted to after the injections.



Who the fuck keeps old syringes? :crazy:

Well, it is a thread about Clemens taking it in the ass, so........
So you enjoy stories about guys takin it in the ass. That's special.

While I always thought Clemens was guilty, I'll wait and see what said evidence is... another check? means nothing really when the trainer gets you basically everything... Also, why all this physical evidence in the Mitchell Report but not this piece?...

Like I said, always thought Clemens was guilty, but I won't consider this a smoking gun until we see what it is.

It's not a check. McNamee kept syringes he injected Clemens with. They have Clemens blood and roid traces. Hay wait! Mark Furhman planted Clemens blood just like he did OJ's.

"if di glove don't fit you am must acquit!"

How does this implicate Clemens? They better have more than just this physical evidence.


Clemens has admitted to being injected with B12 and lidocaine. haha




This is going nowhere, ladies, even if he is lying. Lidocaine is not something that is shot into the ass & didn't Clemens first say that he wasn't shot up with ANYTHING?

I would love input from people like Bpalm and DestroyVega...

I think none of them thought he was innocent anyway.

Yeah again, I never thought Clemens was innocent... you hear the accusations and you think back and it makes sense.

The only thing that kind of didn't make sense was, the Mitchell Report made it seem Clemens started using after his two big years in Toronto, so I dunno how big the effect is if that's the case.

The throwing the bat back at Piazza is now clearly roid-rage.


Clemens is a dumb ass though, he was that hard-up to protect his legacy he lied out his ass and made himself look worse in the process... Andy spit the truth from the get-go cause he is a religious guy and already did one wrong thing, he wasn't gonna do two...

I do think MacNamee is a scum-bag though. Not cause he flipped on guys, just cause all accounts of him make him sound like a sleazeball.

So you enjoy stories about guys takin it in the ass. That's special. It sounds like you're suckling at Clemens' teet.

It's not a check. McNamee kept syringes he injected Clemens with. They have Clemens blood and roid traces. Hay wait! Mark Furhman planted Clemens blood just like he did OJ's.

"if di glove don't fit you am must acquit!"

Well is they have blood samples, good job.

I really couldn't care less about Clemens, he helped the Yankees, but lets be honest, he walked onto a team that was already the odds on favorites to win again... I have always seen him as a hired gun and I thought bringing him back this year was the biggest mistake ever.

How does this implicate Clemens? They better have more than just this physical evidence.


Clemens has admitted to being injected with B12 and lidocaine. haha




This is going nowhere, ladies, even if he is lying.


:lol:


your a funny guy :jj:

Lidocaine is not something that is shot into the ass & didn't Clemens first say that he wasn't shot up with ANYTHING?
Are they gonna prove the syringes were stuck in his ass? They can do that now?


They've got to find his DNA on the syringe, let alone detail where it was injected.



And if you've read/heard what Clemens has been saying, and you know you have bc you're commenting about it in the first part of your post, you'd know he didn't say he wasn't shot up ANYTHING.

It's just funny when Roger does. ok

LMAO Lenny get Roger's cawk out of your mouth.

ok You enjoy suckling Clemens' teet?

:lol:


your a funny guy :jj:
Where is this going? He covered his ass w/ the admission of getting B12/lido injections.


Don't be surprised if this is a stalemate. Just b/c Vick & Marion Jones got busted for lying under oath, doesn't mean Clemens is going down...


Check the law in the article:

"KNOWINGLY LIES TO CONGRESS...."


Not to mention, he's white. We'll see just how racist this country really is if/when he gets away with this.

You enjoy suckling Clemens' teet?
No. Do you?

Where is this going? He covered his ass w/ the admission of getting B12/lido injections.


Don't be surprised if this is a stalemate. Just b/c Vick & Marion Jones got busted for lying under oath, doesn't mean Clemens is going down...


Check the law in the article:

"KNOWINGLY LIES TO CONGRESS...."


Not to mention, he's white. We'll see just how racist this country really is if/when he gets away with this. Again, asshole you do not get shot with lidocaine in the ass & he originally said he wasn't shot with ANYTHING. Are you stupid?

LMAO Lenny get Roger's cawk out of your mouth.
Take it outta your ass first.

It has to be tested first but if that is his DNA on there he's fucked himself royaly...

No. Do you? I obviously don't. You obviously would love to.

Again, asshole you do not get shot with lidocaine in the ass & he originally said he wasn't shot with ANYTHING. Are you stupid?
What's with the name calling fuckface?


He said on 60 fucking minutes that he took injections of B12/lidocaine. WTF are you talking about shots in the ass, faggot?



Reply to my other post addressing your stupidity in the first place, dumbfuck.

Where is this going? He covered his ass w/ the admission of getting B12/lido injections.


Don't be surprised if this is a stalemate. Just b/c Vick & Marion Jones got busted for lying under oath, doesn't mean Clemens is going down...


Check the law in the article:

"KNOWINGLY LIES TO CONGRESS...."


Not to mention, he's white. We'll see just how racist this country really is if/when he gets away with this.

:lol:

Come on dude, come clean! This is Daniel Carver....right :D

So between this evidence and Andy Pettitte telling them under oath that he had a conversation about steroids with Roger, he still did not knowingly lie to congress?

Pass that shit over here brotha! I want what your smoking :harris:

I obviously don't. You obviously would love to.
No U. :gay:

How does this implicate Clemens? They better have more than just this physical evidence.


Clemens has admitted to being injected with B12 and lidocaine. haha




This is going nowhere, ladies, even if he is lying.

you must have missed this part in the news article....

But the source said the government's lab tests could prove the vials and syringes contained illict drugs, not a vitamin or a pain killer.

What's with the name calling fuckface?


He said on 60 fucking minutes that he took injections of B12/lidocaine. WTF are you talking about shots in the ass, faggot?



Reply to my other post addressing your stupidity in the first place, dumbfuck. Before the 60 minutes piece he released his own video saying he wasn't shot up with ANYTHING then he came back & said he was shot up with b-12 & lidocaine.

:lol:

Come on dude, come clean! This is Daniel Carver....right :D

So between this evidence and Andy Pettitte telling them under oath that he had a conversation about steroids with Roger, he still did not knowingly lie to congress?

Pass that shit over here brotha! I want what your smoking :harris:
Whatta ya mean come clean? I make great points here. The physical evidence is a wash w/ his admission of the B12/lido shots. That evidence could either be tampered with after the fact, or simply use the knowingly part of the allegations to his advantage.


The real showdown is when Pettitte's testimony comes forward.

Before the 60 minutes piece he released his own video saying he wasn't shot up with ANYTHING then he came back & said he was shot up with b-12 & lidocaine.

That is true. It is the video with the Roger Clemens 300 wins emblem thing in the backround. He said he was never injected by Brian McNamee with anything.

Before the 60 minutes piece he released his own video saying he wasn't shot up with ANYTHING then he came back & said he was shot up with b-12 & lidocaine.

he can't keep his bullshit straight...

:lol:

His son is in single A I believe...

he thought he got heckled before for being Roger's kid... :lol:

He should quit baseball immediately. :jj:

Its not funny at all...You faggot Yankee haters need to get some mental help.

Before the 60 minutes piece he released his own video saying he wasn't shot up with ANYTHING then he came back & said he was shot up with b-12 & lidocaine.
What is your fucking point? He said on national TV he had shots of B12/lido.


Are they gonna use this video to take him down? The only important thing is his testimony. They aren't concerned with his video.

Whatta ya mean come clean? I make great points here. The physical evidence is a wash w/ his admission of the B12/lido shots. That evidence could either be tampered with after the fact, or simply use the knowingly part of the allegations to his advantage.


The real showdown is when Pettitte's testimony comes forward. ....and he dragged his good buddy Pettite into this mess when Pettite was all but forgotten when he admitted to it earlier. What a class act.

That is true. It is the video with the Roger Clemens 300 wins emblem thing in the backround. He said he was never injected by Brian McNamee with anything.
I get this. Is this video gonna land him in jail? No. His testimony will, if anything.


The video is of no circumstance.

What is your fucking point? He said on national TV he had shots of B12/lido.


Are they gonna use this video to take him down? The only important thing is his testimony. They aren't concerned with his video. My point is that HE said HE was never injected with anything, ever . First. Once a liar........

....and he dragged his good buddy Pettite into this mess when Pettite was all but forgotten when he admitted to it earlier. What a class act.
How so?

Whatta ya mean come clean? I make great points here. The physical evidence is a wash w/ his admission of the B12/lido shots. That evidence could either be tampered with after the fact, or simply use the knowingly part of the allegations to his advantage.


The real showdown is when Pettitte's testimony comes forward.
Dude, IF they prove that the inside of the vials are not B12/Lido then your whole argument is out the window. That is something that is very easy to find out and I am sure will be leaked shortly.

Again, the Pettite saying he talked to Roger about it takes the "knowingly" part of your argument out as well.

If this allegation is true. Along with the fact that Pettite is going to rat on him(if it is true). Then he will be busted and will have no chance. Your smoking crack if you think otherwise :D

I cant lie, I expected more from you. I really thought you would laugh about his guilt, not sound like an OJ Simpson defender :D

The syringers, gauze pads, and vials might not be Clemens, but I'm sure he has them. His lawyers wouldn't lie by saying they have them and they don't.

How is that gonna prove that Clemens took steroids unless his DNA is on a syringe that has Steroids in it or steroid residue at least.

My point is that HE said HE was never injected with anything, ever . First. Once a liar........
You've never told a lie? :rolleyes:

You've never told a lie? :rolleyes:

"Let he who hath no sin cast the first stone"

I get this. Is this video gonna land him in jail? No. His testimony will, if anything.


The video is of no circumstance.

So that video is of no circumstance but the 60 minutes is? :jj:

I get this. Is this video gonna land him in jail? No. His testimony will, if anything.


The video is of no circumstance. I don't give a shit if he goes to jail or not just stop trying to cover his ass when he himself is doing such a lousy job of it himself. I know you wouldn't put so much energy into defending him if he had never left Boston.

you must have missed this part in the news article....

But the source said the government's lab tests could prove the vials and syringes contained illict drugs, not a vitamin or a pain killer.
No I didn't. I already rebutted this. Read more, post less.

I am starting to think Lenny is Nuge's mult :jj:

I don't give a shit if he goes to jail or not just stop trying to cover his ass when he himself is doing such a lousy job of it himself. I know you wouldn't put so much energy into defending him if he had never left Boston.
Defending? I'm posting on a message board. Irregardless, I think the mitchell report is a piece of shit, and we should move on in prevention. I'm not putting any energy into this. You breaking a sweat, otter? Calm the fuck down.

I am starting to think Lenny is Nuge's mult :jj:
Ok, Jay Z. :hw:

Defending? I'm posting on a message board. Irregardless, I think the mitchell report is a piece of shit, and we should move on in prevention. I'm not putting any energy into this. You breaking a sweat, otter? Calm the fuck down. Clemens is the one that should be sweating.

So that video is of no circumstance but the 60 minutes is? :jj:
Whites, I have a feeling that the 60 minutes commentary will match his testimony a little more than that video.

I am starting to think Lenny is Nuge's mult :jj:
Nuge is in all yall heads...

Ok, Jay Z. :hw:


heeeeeeey, thats Maximus06 to you :D

Clemens is the one that should be sweating.
I bet he is. Congressional meetings are serious business.

Nuge is in all yall heads...
:lol: I just remembered who you are.

Big Gamer :funny:

Dude, IF they prove that the inside of the vials are not B12/Lido then your whole argument is out the window. That is something that is very easy to find out and I am sure will be leaked shortly.

Again, the Pettite saying he talked to Roger about it takes the "knowingly" part of your argument out as well.

If this allegation is true. Along with the fact that Pettite is going to rat on him(if it is true). Then he will be busted and will have no chance. Your smoking crack if you think otherwise :D

I cant lie, I expected more from you. I really thought you would laugh about his guilt, not sound like an OJ Simpson defender :D
You asked me to comment, and I did.


Do I think he did roid/hgh? Probably. But the whole Mitchell report is a piece of shit, leaving out Red Sox. Ortiz should be facing congress too. He's got zero upper body now and he looks gaunt.


As for Clemens, they have to find his DNA from 2001, first of all. They have to prove it's the right chemicals, secondly. Then they have to prove he knew he was getting shots of PEDs.

Whites, again, all my threads/posts about the Mitchell report being a total waste, leaving a stain on sports... this whole thing w/ BALCO, this whole thing with Marion Jones...


It's terrible for everybody. It's accomplishing NOTHING. It's ruining sports, you like it just so you can laugh at a few Yankees. :notgood:


It's a scourge, a waste of lawmakers' times, and these efforts could be better used in prevention and implementation of a fail proof system.

I know I asked you to comment...I definately am thinking twice about that :D

Its all good. You sort of admit that you are just talking out of bitterness. I dont blame you.

Your DNA in 2001 and 2008 are the same DNA. It never changes. So if it matches, it matches. As somebody else posted, I think DNA will last for like 100 years. Sending it to the federal lab will easily tell what the chemicals are. I trust that they know what they are doing. I think his talked to Andy about it, sort of proves that he knew what he was getting.

Again this new evidence is only allegations, which is what I guess is your point. However you have to admit, where there is smoke there is fire. And there is plenty of smoke around Roger Clemens. It is only a matter of time, we will get to the bottom of this eventually and find out the truth!

You asked me to comment, and I did.


Do I think he did roid/hgh? Probably. But the whole Mitchell report is a piece of shit, leaving out Red Sox. Ortiz should be facing congress too. He's got zero upper body now and he looks gaunt.


As for Clemens, they have to find his DNA from 2001, first of all. They have to prove it's the right chemicals, secondly. Then they have to prove he knew he was getting shots of PEDs.

Red Sox and other team players are not in the Mitchell Report cause the trainers that had to cooperate were mainly based in NY and on the West Coast... that's the only reason.

If the feds got a hold of a trainer in Boston, or Baltimore, or Florida, we would have names from those teams....

Simple as that...

I know I asked you to comment...I definately am thinking twice about that :D

Its all good. You sort of admit that you are just talking out of bitterness. I dont blame you.

Your DNA in 2001 and 2008 are the same DNA. It never changes. So if it matches, it matches. As somebody else posted, I think DNA will last for like 100 years. Sending it to the federal lab will easily tell what the chemicals are. I trust that they know what they are doing. I think his talked to Andy about it, sort of proves that he knew what he was getting.

Again this new evidence is only allegations, which is what I guess is your point. However you have to admit, where there is smoke there is fire. And there is plenty of smoke around Roger Clemens. It is only a matter of time, we will get to the bottom of this eventually and find out the truth!
Whites, DNA dies if it's not preserved. This isn't exactly from the times of the dinosaurs, but it's not insect in amber, either.

I'm not bitter, I'm just playing devils ad, where a bunch of Met/Sox fans are giggling like school yard girls.


Again, if I shot you with a shot of lidocaine, and kept the needly for 7 years, and then poured steroids into the vile, guess what I have? :idea:

You asked me to comment, and I did.


Do I think he did roid/hgh? Probably. But the whole Mitchell report is a piece of shit, leaving out Red Sox. Ortiz should be facing congress too. He's got zero upper body now and he looks gaunt.


As for Clemens, they have to find his DNA from 2001, first of all. They have to prove it's the right chemicals, secondly. Then they have to prove he knew he was getting shots of PEDs.

McNamee stuck Roger in the ass while he was asleep? :scratch:

:jj:

Red Sox and other team players are not in the Mitchell Report cause the trainers that had to cooperate were mainly based in NY and on the West Coast... that's the only reason.

If the feds got a hold of a trainer in Boston, or Baltimore, or Florida, we would have names from those teams....

Simple as that...
The leak list speaks for itself.


There is no way they can prove somebody did steroids in years past. That's my statement, and I'm sticking to it.



Just turn the page on the whole era already. It's only Yankee haters that enjoy this shit, you ask a Cubs fan and they don't give a fuck.

Whites, DNA dies if it's not preserved. This isn't exactly from the times of the dinosaurs, but it's not insect in amber, either.

I'm not bitter, I'm just playing devils ad, where a bunch of Met/Sox fans are giggling like school yard girls.


Again, if I shot you with a shot of lidocaine, and kept the needly for 7 years, and then poured steroids into the vile, guess what I have? :idea:

"Vile"

:funny:

McNamee stuck Roger in the ass while he was asleep? :scratch:

:jj:
Barry Bonds defense, dude. (I didn't know that he gave me HGH) :o

The leak list speaks for itself.


There is no way they can prove somebody did steroids in years past. That's my statement, and I'm sticking to it.



Just turn the page on the whole era already. It's only Yankee haters that enjoy this shit, you ask a Cubs fan and they don't give a fuck.

Wrong again.

I'm a Reds fan, bitch, and I find it funny as hell.

Derrrrrr Didn't Roger play in the NL Central for a few years???? :db:

"Vile"

:funny:
Are you trying to start something, Dirty? I make one fucking typo and suddenly you're laughing hysterically? Go fuck your mother. :bird:

oh well, time to move on :hw:

Wrong again.

I'm a Reds fan, bitch, and I find it funny as hell.

Derrrrrr Didn't Roger play in the NL Central for a few years???? :db:
Pete Rose is a scumbag. :hw:

take away all his records, that'll show him

only phil gammons gives a shit anyways

peter gammons, my bad

Are you trying to start something, Dirty? I make one fucking typo and suddenly you're laughing hysterically? Go fuck your mother. :bird:

I'm just busting your balls.

I love me some Lenny.

I'm just busting your balls.

I love me some Lenny.

suspect much?

Whites, DNA dies if it's not preserved. This isn't exactly from the times of the dinosaurs, but it's not insect in amber, either.

I'm not bitter, I'm just playing devils ad, where a bunch of Met/Sox fans are giggling like school yard girls.


Again, if I shot you with a shot of lidocaine, and kept the needly for 7 years, and then poured steroids into the vile, guess what I have? :idea:
I hate to tell you but your the only one making this a Mets/Sox/Yankees thing.

At least to me, this has nothing to do with it. This has to do with Roger Clemens being a total POS. Did he play for the Yankees? Sure he did! However, I would be rooting for the same thing if he played for the Baltimore Orioles. Just like I root for the same thing for Barry Bonds.

I cant speak for anybody else but for me, this has nothing to do with Mets/Yanks. It has to do with Clemens being a POS who lies and cheats to do what he did. I dont care that he was not the only one!

I guess we just see it differently. You will do whatever it takes to defend your team. You have that little bit pf Pussah2 in you i guess.

Investigate away congress, I LOVE IT! :cool:

Pete Rose is a scumbag. :hw:

he got tombstone piledrove while wearing a chicken costume too

Pete Rose is a scumbag. :hw:

No shit. Hehe.

take away all his records, that'll show him

only phil gammons gives a shit anyways
Aside from strikeouts in a game and Cy Young Awards, that's all his records, right?

suspect much?

How the hell did you get out of Mormon country?

you guys are defending him like he's your dad. he took roids, thats ok. they cant undo history, guess all those other fags shoulda been taken em to keep up with roger huh?? :nanana:

Aside from strikeouts in a game and Cy Young Awards, that's all his records, right?

lol, i dont even know. but would that be so bad? awww, porr roger. you still have the bling bling

Aside from strikeouts in a game and Cy Young Awards, that's all his records, right?
How bout that 300 number?

That is arguably the biggest record he has.

How the hell did you get out of Mormon country?

was havin ah ard time findin sherm sticks there, had ta move b

How bout that 300 number?

That is arguably the biggest record he has.

that number that beckett will never even sniff

I hate to tell you but your the only one making this a Mets/Sox/Yankees thing.

At least to me, this has nothing to do with it. This has to do with Roger Clemens being a total POS. Did he play for the Yankees? Sure he did! However, I would be rooting for the same thing if he played for the Baltimore Orioles. Just like I root for the same thing for Barry Bonds.

I cant speak for anybody else but for me, this has nothing to do with Mets/Yanks. It has to do with Clemens being a POS who lies and cheats to do what he did. I dont care that he was not the only one!

I guess we just see it differently. You will do whatever it takes to defend your team. You have that little bit pf Pussah2 in you i guess.

Investigate away congress, I LOVE IT! :cool:
In case you haven't noticed, I always defend the athletes vs. gov't institutions. Jones, Vick, Tejada, Clemens...


It's not just my team. These guys just played a game. A game for kids. Yes, it afforded them a wonderful life, but it's a game and they did w/e to put food on the table and do it better.


Now they're losing their freedom and scoffed at and can't leave the house? Their children/families are victimized as well.


Let's drug test the Senate, and get the results of breathalizers from them when they check into work. I'd love to see the results of that, and they're pointing fingers and lecturing and making laws. lol

How bout that 300 number?

That is arguably the biggest record he has.
511 is the record, Cy Young. The only record that will never be broken.

:lol: I just remembered who you are.
;)

I'm just busting your balls.

I love me some Lenny.

That was gay

In case you haven't noticed, I always defend the athletes vs. gov't institutions. Jones, Vick, Tejada, Clemens...


It's not just my team. These guys just played a game. A game for kids. Yes, it afforded them a wonderful life, but it's a game and they did w/e to put food on the table and do it better.


Now they're losing their freedom and scoffed at and can't leave the house? Their children/families are victimized as well.


Let's drug test the Senate, and get the results of breathalizers from them when they check into work. I'd love to see the results of that, and they're pointing fingers and lecturing and making laws. lol
lol, I love ya and I cant win. I think your smoking crack, but more power to ya :hw:

I'm just busting your balls.

I love me some Lenny.
:ranting:

lol, I love ya and I cant win. I think your smoking crack, but more power to ya :hw:
There are no winners here. It's discussion, we're batting the ball back n forth.


Speaking of batting the ball, I also think it's bullshit that Hingis got suspended for doing coke, and had to retire.

I'm a man of the people. :cool:

Power to the people then my brother.

I can honestly continue this all fucking night. But I just cant do it. I think your the only person on here who wears me out! :D

He is such an idiot, I bet he talks his way into jail.

The Yanks dominated the steroid era so Mets and Sox fans are running around like little faggoty school girls...Id be pissed if I was a met fan, they fucking sucked even while on roids...

oh and the Mets were supplying their opposition drugs to make the perform better..:funny:

Power to the people then my brother.

I can honestly continue this all fucking night. But I just cant do it. I think your the only person on here who wears me out! :D
It's the end of the day and I'm tired, too.


Should I go see the Johnnies vs. the Scarlet Knights? I have to leave now if at all.

It's the end of the day and I'm tired, too.


Should I go see the Johnnies vs. the Scarlet Knights? I have to leave now if at all.

Johnnies can be a fun team to watch. Id go watch the game. Its only 2 hrs anyway

Johnnies can be a fun team to watch. Id go watch the game. Its only 2 hrs anyway
lol, I'm outta here. I'll be late if I get there. I'm gonna go watch them unless my gf talks me out of it. I'm only 25 minutes away, but tonight is my night not to be there. :grrr:


oh well. i'm supposed to meet some buddies and one of them is moving to st. louie saturday so i feel guilty. later hoss.

adios...enjoy the game

Lenny is like a dog with a bone when he gets into a "discussion," isn't he King. :jj:

i blame this shit on bud selig... he let it get this far and now hes the hero... he knew about this shit and swept it under a rug. they need to investigate that asshole for letting it go on for so long.

What's the over/under on how many times Spuge will post Clemens' denial in bold, 24 pt type? :D

sorry Lenny, but the syringes will have a mixture of blood and whatever was injected. The steroid and or HGH with be mixed with the blood inside the needle. If McNamara actually added the illegal drugs after the injections (and think about that, why would he?) The substance wikk contain DNA, B-12 or lidocaine AND steroids.

They can pinpoint the age of the drugs, probably down to the batch it came from.

If they find Roger's blood mixed with illegal drugs, without the B-12 or lidocaine, he's got a huge problem.

I do agree, Andy's testimony will be the nail in the coffin. How does Roger go after him?

This is what Clemens liar, I mean lawyer, had to say:

Lanny Breuer, an attorney for Clemens, attacked McNamee and accused him of manufacturing evidence.

"Brian McNamee is obviously a troubled man who is obsessed with doing everything possible to destroy Roger Clemens," Breuer said in a statement. " . . . He lied to Senator Mitchell, he lied to the federal government, and now he apparently has manufactured evidence.

"He has changed his story repeatedly on this matter. ... He now claims he kept blood, gauze, and needles from Roger Clemens for seven years. It defies all sensibility. It is just not credible -- who in their right mind does such a thing?

"As Roger has said under oath to Congress and to the American public, at no time did he take steroids or growth hormone. Despite the desperate smears of Brian McNamee, Roger is looking forward to testifying before Congress next week to set the record straight. He will not waver, nor will he shrink from this because he is telling the truth."

McNamee is so good he manufactured Clemens blood.

How much is Clemens paying him?

All his lawyer knows is the more shit like this that comes out, the more his meter keeps clicking :jj:

Hi Lanny,

It is your client Roger the inartful Dodger Clemens that changed his story. First, he said he'd never been injected. Then later he said he got B12 and lidocaine injections. That is a complete lie.

Keep it up. You're going to represent Clemens right into the big house.

i dont get why the guy saved the needles.

How much is Clemens paying him?

All his lawyer knows is the more shit like this that comes out, the more his meter keeps clicking :jj:

You got that one right. The lawyer is thinking "I'll be able to bill this asshole $700 and hour right up until they throw his ass in prison."

i dont get why the guy saved the needles.

Why did Monica Lewinsky save the semen stained dress on poor Bill Clinton?????????

its a dress...why would you save needles.

its a dress...why would you save needles.

C'mon man use your fucking brain.

oh da howor. :pe:

Lawyers: McNamee has physical evidence linking Clemens to steroids

.

Come on kids, are you guys that stupid. Clemens told Congress under oath that he never used roiads and the best this rat can come up with is this?

"Brian McNamee has turned over physical evidence to federal investigators that he believes will show Roger Clemens used performance-enhancing drugs, according to McNamee's lawyers.

"This is evidence the government has that we believe will corroborate Brian in every significant way," said McNamee lawyer Earl Ward."

There is no SLAM DUNK evidence against Clemens, this WE BELIEVE shit will not cut it. This rat is now shitting bricks because he in fact has lied under oath.

Roger is telling the truth......................

I will say I think Clemes is guilty...

But, this Mcnamee is either a really big liar or he is the creepiest person on the face of the Earth. I am not buying that this guy had the foresight to save needles in the event that he was prosecuted. That is pure bullshit. To save someones used needles is borderline psychotic.

Lenny is like a dog with a bone when he gets into a "discussion," isn't he King. :jj:
That's enough outta you. :hmph:

WHO Gives a fuck about this shit. He used it end of a story and so did everybody else, get over it, it's like popping a flint stone vitamin

i blame this shit on bud selig... he let it get this far and now hes the hero... he knew about this shit and swept it under a rug. they need to investigate that asshole for letting it go on for so long.
Exactly. That's another one of my points. Selig is just sucking up with this whole fucking thing. He was such a badass when it all came down in the beginning, now he's out to bust all those who broke the law to save his own ass. Total mismanagement of the whole ordeal. Rather, he could have just said that they didn't know exactly what was going on, and then told congress that it will stop immediately and that they'll be taking the STRICTEST of measures to test and punish in the future. That way, if the player's union gave them a hard time of it, they'd just have to tell the union to explain it to congress why they're afraid of blood test, etc...

sorry Lenny, but the syringes will have a mixture of blood and whatever was injected. The steroid and or HGH with be mixed with the blood inside the needle. If McNamara actually added the illegal drugs after the injections (and think about that, why would he?) The substance wikk contain DNA, B-12 or lidocaine AND steroids.

They can pinpoint the age of the drugs, probably down to the batch it came from.

If they find Roger's blood mixed with illegal drugs, without the B-12 or lidocaine, he's got a huge problem.

I do agree, Andy's testimony will be the nail in the coffin. How does Roger go after him?
This isn't CSI, Maulaw. :rolleyes:

WHO Gives a fuck about this shit. He used it end of a story and so did everybody else, get over it, it's like popping a flint stone vitamin
I like the gummy vites. :jump:

its a dress...why would you save needles.
To stick in his dickhole. :rolleyes:


This is ridiculous!! :jj:

Bud Selig might be retarted remember when they called that all-star game a tie, he was doing all types of retarted hand movement

Bud Selig might be retarted remember when they called that all-star game a tie, he was doing all types of retarted hand movement
He's a fucking douchebag.

.

He's a fucking douchebag. Well, that's one thing we agree on. Selig is the main cause behind all of this shit. He ignored it when the ball was flying out of the yard & attendance records were being broken after the strike. He is the real problem. Yes, we agree on that. & The Who.

that number that beckett will never even sniff Who gives a fuck? Beckett did more in one Playoff year & won a title than Clemens ever did with Boston & when Clemens went to NY he was just a mercenary. The only memories of Clemens in Boston in October are almost all bad.

Well, that's one thing we agree on. Selig is the main cause behind all of this shit. He ignored it when the ball was flying out of the yard & attendance records were being broken after the strike. He is the real problem. Yes, we agree on that. & The Who.
Cool. :bigup:

Well, that's one thing we agree on. Selig is the main cause behind all of this shit. He ignored it when the ball was flying out of the yard & attendance records were being broken after the strike. He is the real problem. Yes, we agree on that. & The Who.

You got that one right. Selig is fucking useless.

need to investigate that dickhead

If true this is awesome!
:D

Looks to me Clemens is fucked.

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Doesn't anyone find it kind of strange that McNamee would be in possession of gauze pads and needles used in the year 2000? Because, everybody saved their used, bloody gauze pads, right?

I heard a doctor on wfan yesterday and said the steroid sample could have been added anytime to the blood sample and no one would know. There are no tests available to determine when the traces of steroids were added. He also said no one keeps needles as they are discarded IMMEDIATELY

Doesn't anyone find it kind of strange that McNamee would be in possession of gauze pads and needles used in the year 2000? Because, everybody saved their used, bloody gauze pads, right?

Ya, its strange, but if the items are legit, McNamee was just thinking ahead. He knew it was going to be his word against Clemens if they ever did get caught and obviously everyone would believe Clemens over him.

Im not sure if this will even prove Mcnamee is right, because I think Lance Armstrong went through the same situation in France with people checking his trash and found used needles, bottles, etc. Im not sure if they ever did any blood testing in this situation, but Armstrong is still "innocent".

is clemens coming back to the yankees next year?

if not, i dont give a shit about this.

Do you really want him back?!? He's a built in distraction. Forget Roger. He's officially retired for sure.

Do you really want him back?!? He's a built in distraction. Forget Roger. He's officially retired for sure.


http://www.nypost.com/seven/02082008/img/back020808.jpg

I heard a doctor on wfan yesterday and said the steroid sample could have been added anytime to the blood sample and no one would know. There are no tests available to determine when the traces of steroids were added. He also said no one keeps needles as they are discarded IMMEDIATELY

You are really not the brightest bulb around. Have you ever read the paper? This is what a doctor who is willing to identify himself says :

"Experts say matching DNA from the needles to the right-hander is a relatively simple task - and the results likely would be admissible in a perjury case against the seven-time Cy Young Award winner.

"If this was the syringe used to inject him, we'll know that," DNA expert Dr. Lawrence Kobilinsky said Thursday. "And if that blood is combined with steroids and human growth hormone, that pretty much answers the question."

I am guessing you dont have a name for your "doctor" who you are quoting.

Do you ever question anything a Yankee does? Or do you just pull the line regardless of the situation? Dude, go out and read a paper. Dont take what you hear on WFAN to be the damn bible everytime.

Just curious, was this doctor on before or after WFAN claimed that Pennington was going to the Dolphins :rofl:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02082008/img/back020808.jpg


:lol: :lol: :spit:

That's just wrong.....

You are really not the brightest bulb around. Have you ever read the paper? This is what a doctor who is willing to identify himself says :

"Experts say matching DNA from the needles to the right-hander is a relatively simple task - and the results likely would be admissible in a perjury case against the seven-time Cy Young Award winner.

"If this was the syringe used to inject him, we'll know that," DNA expert Dr. Lawrence Kobilinsky said Thursday. "And if that blood is combined with steroids and human growth hormone, that pretty much answers the question."

I am guessing you dont have a name for your "doctor" who you are quoting.

Do you ever question anything a Yankee does? Or do you just pull the line regardless of the situation? Dude, go out and read a paper. Dont take what you hear on WFAN to be the damn bible everytime.

Just curious, was this doctor on before or after WFAN claimed that Pennington was going to the Dolphins :rofl:

I hate clemens and I hope he goes to jail. All I am saying is that what I heard in the first hour of francescas show yesterday. He said it would not admissible evidence because the steroid and hgh samples could have been tainted and added after teh fact.

You listen to their show, did you not hear this guy

I hate clemens and I hope he goes to jail. All I am saying is that what I heard in the first hour of francescas show yesterday. He said it would not admissible evidence because the steroid and hgh samples could have been tainted and added after teh fact.

You listen to their show, did you not hear this guy
I did not hear the guy(thankfully). Was this a legit doctor doing a spot on the show or was this a caller who claimed to be a doctor also?

Come on dude, put 2 and 2 together. Your "doctor" was a Yankee fan who is clueless on THE FACTS!

Well obviously I proved that your doctor is clueless, because my quotes are from a DNA Expert!!

Doesn't anyone find it kind of strange that McNamee would be in possession of gauze pads and needles used in the year 2000? Because, everybody saved their used, bloody gauze pads, right?

I find it stranger that he didn't serve this up to Mitchell... you gave the guy all these checks, you have needles and stuff and you don't turn those over? Doesn't make sense.

I could so not care less about this story... it's a total snooze-fest. Mainly because the 4 or 5 writers I have heard talk about this who have a hall-of-fame vote all expressed they would put Bonds and Clemens into the hall, even with this steroid part, because before the usage they were already HOF's... so if they got in, what does any of this mean? We know they cheated, I guess we just have to live with it.

why is it my doctor . it was a doctor on your favorite radio show. He called in to say that the evidence could be ruled not credible and that Mcnamee is not a credible witness because him and clemens are in a argument and there is no 3rd party that could say if the evidence is tainted.

Im not defending clemens asshole. Fucking listen for once and stop pretending you know fucking everything. He said he was a doctor. I guess he got checked because he was on with francesca for about 15 minutes

4 or 5 writers cant get ya into the HOF though.

Ask Mark McGwire :D

4 or 5 writers cant get ya into the HOF though.

Ask Mark McGwire :D

No I know, but I'm just using them as a sampling how the rest of the percentage might vote...

These same guys said they wouldn't vote for McGwire...

Who knows, I don't really care, I fell if they cheated they don't deserve to be there anyway... they made their own bed.

why is it my doctor . it was a doctor on your favorite radio show. He called in to say that the evidence could be ruled not credible and that Mcnamee is not a credible witness because him and clemens are in a argument and there is no 3rd party that could say if the evidence is tainted.

Im not defending clemens asshole. Fucking listen for once and stop pretending you know fucking everything. He said he was a doctor. I guess he got checked because he was on with francesca for about 15 minutes


This is what makes you a moron. You dont listen and try to put common sense together. Ok, the guy is a doctor. Do you know what type of doctor? Maybe he is a fucking gastroentorologist(spelling)? If he was, wouldnt that give him a lot less credibility? What the fuck does he know about DNA.

Since when are they my favorite radio show? 90% of the time I do nothing but bash them. They are YOUR favorite radio show because EVERYTHING you hear on there you take as the bible and it cant be wrong. When legal/medical issues come up in the past, I have heard 100 times callers call up claiming to be lawyers and doctors who them come on and explain the law. I wish I could tell you how many of these fucking guys are wrong. They just want some airtime and want the fat horse fucker to bow down to them for a few seconds on the air.

Again, I listed a dr with a name who is a DNA expert. You list a doctor who does not give his name or the type of field he is in. Get a brain dude. Dont let other people do your thinking for you!

Just curious, if the guy admitted he was a pediatrician or a internist... Would you still think what he is saying is the bible?

As the old saying goes, theres a sucker born every minute!!

No I know, but I'm just using them as a sampling how the rest of the percentage might vote...

These same guys said they wouldn't vote for McGwire...

Who knows, I don't really care, I fell if they cheated they don't deserve to be there anyway... they made their own bed.

NO CHANCE Clemens or Bonds get in on the first vote. There is just no chance!! Will they get in eventually? I would say it is likely.


You better believe McGwire is going to get in before those guys...So ill wait for that to happen first.

I'm sure none of these guys now get in on first vote, but I don't know why people would even care about that distinction... especially now since they should just be happy if they get in at all.

I think it is too early for Bonds and Clemens. I think what happens to them legally is going to shape their HOF legacy BIG TIME.

We will know a lot more in 12 months.


Dont forget, all these guys we are talking about were a guaranteed lock first timer 5 years ago. Now we both admit they are not. That speaks volumes!!

ok answer these questions:

1)Why did he not give this evidence to Mitchell?
2)Why did he keep all this stuff?
3)Who else does he have, or is it just Clemens?
4)How can it be proven that those syringes were used with steroids and injected into Roger Clemens?
5)Mcnamme's credibility can be questioned. Didn't he give a girl a date rape drug?


-Do I think Clemens took steroids-yes
-Do I think Mcnamee told thetruth about Clemens or Pettite taking steroids?-Yes
-Do I think these syringes and needles are real?-NO and no knows either if its true or not

There is no evidence right now that he did not manufacture this evidence. All it proves is those needles could have been used to inject him with B12 shots.

Thanks for proving my point. Now everybody can see what a moron you are.

Keep drinking the kool aid brother. Your giving me a great laugh! :jj:

Pussy here is a post from a guy with a clue, why dont you prove this wrong. This should answer your questions:

sorry Lenny, but the syringes will have a mixture of blood and whatever was injected. The steroid and or HGH with be mixed with the blood inside the needle. If McNamara actually added the illegal drugs after the injections (and think about that, why would he?) The substance wikk contain DNA, B-12 or lidocaine AND steroids.

They can pinpoint the age of the drugs, probably down to the batch it came from.

If they find Roger's blood mixed with illegal drugs, without the B-12 or lidocaine, he's got a huge problem.

I do agree, Andy's testimony will be the nail in the coffin. How does Roger go after him?

Why is this worthy of Congress hearings and such for hours on end wasting thousands of $$$$? If he is found guilty of taking steroids what will happen to him?

Pussy here is a post from a guy with a clue, why dont you prove this wrong. This should answer your questions:

Oh I found who the guy is. He is the lead drug tester for the wwe wellness policy and also I think is a consultant for major league baseball. I was wrong. I heard it on the Evan Roberts show at noon, after Howard.

I said I have no idea about any of this. I never said I did. Not even trying to think I know anything about. Just wrote hear what I heard yesterday. You know nothing about it either.

I dont claim to know everything. However I only quote sources who are educated in what they are talking about. You need to try to do the same. I would never quote an unnamed doctor and pretend its the bible(like you did)

Just because a caller calls in to WFAN and makes a claim, that doesnt make it the truth. You seem not to understand that!! Come on dude, use your own brain every once in a while!!

Roger's fingerprints are supposedly all over the vialls that contained roids. They won't even have to do dna testing on him to prove he is a liar and a cheat.