MERGED SIRIUS / XM PRICING PLAN

The following was found in a March 27, 2008 letter to the FCC. It includes information & pricing for the proposed ala-cart tiered plans. This appears to be the same pricing plan that they proposed over a year ago when the merger was first announced.

Best I can figure out from it is if you want to hear Howard Stern you will continue to pay the $12.95 a month you pay now. People who don't care about Howard can get a cheaper plan. If you want to get XM channels, you'll need one of the next gen radios. Most of us have them by now. If you want Howard and some XM content it'll cost you an additional $2 or $4 to your plan instead of the extra $12.95 it would cost you now.

NOTE: According to this, XM users will not get Howard Stern unless they change their plan the same way Sirius users will not get baseball unless they change theirs. So Howard will not automatically have a larger audience.

Keep in mind, these are not the final plans. They were designed over a year ago and it's very possible that there will be adjustments. The FCC still has to approve the merger and could possibly force them to make changes.

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Marlene H. Dortch
Secretary

Federal Communications Commission
445 12th Street, SW
Washington, D.C. 20554

Re: Notice of Ex Parte Presentation; Consolidated Application for Authority to Transfer Control of XM Satellite Radio Holdings Inc. and Sirius Satellite Radio Inc., MB Docket No. 07-57

Dear Ms. Dortch:

In accordance with Section 1.1206 of the Commission’s rules, 47 C.F.R. § 1.1206, and the Commission’s Public Notice dated March 29, 2007 (DA 07-1435), this letter notifies the Commission that on March 26, 2008, Richard E. Wiley and Gregg Elias of Wiley Rein LLP, counsel for Sirius Satellite Radio Inc. (“Sirius”), and I of Latham & Watkins LLP, counsel for XM Satellite Radio Holdings Inc. (“XM”), met with Chairman Kevin Martin, Daniel Gonzalez Chairman Martin’s Chief of Staff, and Michelle Carey, Chairman Martin’s Senior Legal Advisor, to discuss Commission action on the merger application pending in the above-captioned proceeding following the statement issued by the Department of Justice. Counsel for XM and Sirius reiterated positions consistent with their filings in this proceeding, and urged prompt approval of the pending merger. Counsel for Sirius distributed copies of a Summary of the Sirius Post-Merger Channel Line Up Proposal, which is attached.

Please contact me with any questions.
Respectfully,

Gary M. Epstein
Counsel for XM Satellite Radio Holdings Inc.


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Download the complete pricing plan from the FCC website. (http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6519869225)
This includes all of the channels that are included with each proposed plan.

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6519869225

Edit: They include a lot more specific plans. Good find :btu:

they have been tweaked and are more specific then the original.

I guess they have been tweaked a bit.

I was wrong this has a lot more info in it.

Thanks! I wanna let'chu know - you are punk - you are fag - you are punk little gay :D

LOOKS GOOD FOR THE CONSUMER. I.E. ME

I want to know what stations the best of both package will get us

Those prices don't offend me. I'll just pay them with the money I make from the stocks...in three years...(groan) :D

all i know is that XM has some music stations that i like. so as long as i can pick and choose for $.25 per channel the ones i want it'll be great

Can someone copy and paste? I don't know what program I need to open a cgi file..... :dontknow:

Can someone copy and paste? I don't know what program I need to open a cgi file..... :dontknow: it opened on adobe for me

Pre-merger $12.95/per month
Post-merger $12.95/per month

Can someone copy and paste? I don't know what program I need to open a cgi file..... :dontknow:

ITS A PDF (ADOBE READER)

Can someone copy and paste? I don't know what program I need to open a cgi file..... :dontknow:


Try this http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php

Basically you can't get howard for less than $12.99/month

Definitley great for the consumer. If you're not into Howard and just want tons of channels of awesome commerical free music, you pay like 6.99 now. Good stuff. This will help Satellite survive.


Anyone who was against this merger is just a rabble rousing moron :cheer:

I subscribe to XM in one of my cars ( also SIRI ) and I will confess to liking XM's music choices better :cool:

This seems to only be good for those Sirius subscribers or potential subscribers that don't care about Howard. For the rest of us it's still going to cost the same. But whatever...if it helps the company survive, then so be it...

so if i get howard and 25 other stations it will be less than 10 bucks a month. I definitely like that. Who needs that gay starz channel or those mool-yon rap Stations.

Basically they are keeping SIRI and XM separate. If you want to mix both, then it'll cost about $17.00.

Don't understand the Pick 50 though...if you want that and then add Howard, which costs another $6.00, then you are paying more than just getting SIRIUS everything.

BTW:

Howard is valued at $6.00
O&A is valued at $3.00
XM's sports package is $6.00

To tell you the truth, I was hoping for more of a SIRIUS/XM mix of channels.

so if i get howard and 25 other stations it will be less than 10 bucks a month. I definitely like that. Who needs that gay starz channel or those mool-yon rap Stations.

There is no option for picking 25 stations. The a la carte starts at $6.99.

so if i get howard and 25 other stations it will be less than 10 bucks a month. I definitely like that. Who needs that gay starz channel or those mool-yon rap Stations. Wrong (unless I'm missing something). A la carte package starts at $6.99 (includes 50 channels of your choice - but not Howard's channels). Channels on top of that are .25 each. If you want H100/101, that's $6 more. So you're looking at a $12.99 minimum. Save a few pennies and just get Sirius Everything.

I wonder what my lifetime sub will get me???

Was there a choice for XM Everything and Sirius Everything? I didn't see that.

so if i get howard and 25 other stations it will be less than 10 bucks a month. I definitely like that. Who needs that gay starz channel or those mool-yon rap Stations.

No. Pick 50 starts at $6.99, to add Howard is $6.00 so it's $12.99. Same amount as you pay now but with over 50 less stations. WHAT A DEAL!!!! Who thought up these nutty things????

Look at the fine print, too. You can get SIRIUS everything at $12.95, and have the "adult themed" stations blocked and receive a credit. I presume if you did that you could get SIRIUS everything minus Howard for $6.95.

Was there a choice for XM Everything and Sirius Everything? I didn't see that.

Doesn't exist.

What a shock. One of the partners in the law firm handling the whole thing is Dick Cheneys son in law.

I paid like $500 in December '05 for a Lifetime subscription - wtf does this mean for me?? :(

I fail to see the synergy of the merger in these price plans. If it were a true merger, they would throw all the channels into a bin and price each accordingly.

I paid like $500 in December '05 for a Lifetime subscription - wtf does this mean for me?? :(

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The A La Carte won't make any difference for Howard listeners because you still have to pay an extra $6.00 to get the two channels. You're better off keeping the All Sirius.

Was there a choice for XM Everything and Sirius Everything? I didn't see that.

The closest thing you can get to that is Sirius Everything & Select XM for $16.99. And you only get 11 "top selection" XM channels with that. What a ripoff. And they have the nerve to put that currently if you want that deal it would cost you $25.90. BULLSHIT! That's the price if you had both Sirius and XM, which means you would have EVERY XM channel, not just 11 select ones. What is the point of the merger if the most XM channels a Sirius subscriber can get is 11?????

The closest thing you can get to that is Sirius Everything & Select XM for $16.99. And you only get 11 "top selection" XM channels with that. What a ripoff. And they have the nerve to put that currently if you want that deal it would cost you $25.90. BULLSHIT! That's the price if you had both Sirius and XM, which means you would have EVERY XM channel, not just 11 select ones. What is the point of the merger if the most XM channels a Sirius subscriber can get is 11?????

I agree with you. Not sure why they did this. Why 11? Why not mix and match out of all the stations?

I called Sirius customer service and they gave me the "The Sirius/XM merger is not complete and we don't know."

I asked if they had to give a pricing plan to the FCC shouldn't it have outlined their most loyal subscribers who have lifetime subscriptions and he said "I don't know. You won't lose any channels if that's what you're worried about."

I told them I wanted Baseball and some other things from XM, how might that work? The guy said "I'm sure they will be made available to you at some point."

Reading between the lines:
We got yo' money fool so we ain't worried about yo' dumb ass until we need to make more money from you down the road. Then we'll charge you for anything you want from XM sucka! :rolleyes:

Look the merger was good for two things.

1) It means we still have a Satellite radio to listen to, instead of FM/AM.

2) It means Howard can be happy with his stock...Finally.

What is the point of the merger if the most XM channels a Sirius subscriber can get is 11?????
I agree with you. Not sure why they did this. Why 11? Why not mix and match out of all the stations?
Maybe you should write to the FCC and let them know about how you oppose the merger for these reasons. They haven't given it their ok, so there's still time...

Anyone else feel like filing a complaint to the FCC about there merger???? :idea: :hhh:

Reading between the lines:
We got yo' money fool so we ain't worried about yo' dumb ass until we need to make more money from you down the road. Then we'll charge you for anything you want from XM sucka! :rolleyes:

It's the American way. Nothing new. Make as much as you can of as many people you can.

Rather confusing :confused: :confused: :confused:

I want howard, music, and MLB games.. It looks like I have to spend more to get the MLB games

I agree with you. Not sure why they did this. Why 11? Why not mix and match out of all the stations?

Maybe post merger there will only be 11 XM music channels available??

Rather confusing :confused: :confused: :confused:

I want howard, music, and MLB games.. It looks like I have to spend more to get the MLB games

Yup looks like for us to get MLB we will have to pay 6 Bucks extra. But to me it shouldn't be for 12 months. We should only pay for the 6 month season.


Not to mention get new dual radio for xm and Sirius signal. :mad:

Maybe you should write to the FCC and let them know about how you oppose the merger for these reasons. They haven't given it their ok, so there's still time...

In reality, it looks like the FCC said "we want you to have a la cart options," so they threw some options together. Do they make sense? No, not really. BWGAF.

Can someone copy and paste? I don't know what program I need to open a cgi file..... :dontknow:

its a PDF file.

http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html?ogn=EN_US-gntray_dl_get_reader

download the PDF viewer above, you should have it anyways.

If you expected to get howard cheaper, you're kidding yourself. They broke the bank giving him all that money. There's no way they're going to reduce the cost to listen to him.

i find it quite confusing and I think most of the Satellite subscirbors will to, customer service wait times will rise.

Maybe post merger there will only be 11 XM music channels available??

You can also get XM with 11 SIRI channels.

subscribers

I wonder what my lifetime sub will get me???

Wishful thinking would be that lifetime members should get everything at no extra cost!

Wishful thinking would be that lifetime members should get everything at no extra cost!
:lol: That's a good one...

Looks to me that if you want Sirius everything you pay the same but if any XM channels are added you pay more. So much for keeping prices down. :rolleyes: What's not clear is the A La Carte deal. Does that include XM stations? I was looking forward to checking out XM's music without having to pay more. There aren't all that many good Sirius music channels. I heard that XM has better music.

Looks to me that if you want Sirius everything you pay the same but if any XM channels are added you pay more. So much for keeping prices down. :rolleyes: What's not clear is the A La Carte deal. Does that include XM stations? I was looking forward to checking out XM's music without having to pay more. There aren't all that many good Sirius music channels. I heard that XM has better music.

Neither company plays any songs that you couldn't find on the other. Both have their 70's, 80's 90's channels etc etc....they just have different names.

I listened to XM on my flight to florida last year...they have two channels dedicated to today's hits, just like channel 1 and 9 on sirius.

I have no interest in XM's channels for music. I signed up for howard. I'm not going to pay extra $$$ for four channels which play the 90s.

so am i still fucked on my factory xm radio?no way im buying a new radio for my gm car. ive had xm in the car waiting for this merger now it seems im screwed anyway.

Just consolidate everything and play the same thing on both services. The pricing plan is a mess and will confuse a lot of people. They like having Howard separately so they can keep track of how many people subscribe to his channel and charge more for ad revenue.

EXACTLY

consolidate the fucking channels, give us all the sports and charge us the same.

FUCK WITS :rolleyes:

EXACTLY

consolidate the fucking channels, give us all the sports and charge us the same.

FUCK WITS :rolleyes:

what are you saying

why do I have to pay $6 just for Howard? that is gay. Maybe all I want from Sirius is Howard...and the rest from XM. Fucking lame. Why should his show be worth $6 when other channels are $.25? that is why it is fucked up when people here complain and then the sheep say, just listen to another channel and don't get it when someone signed up ONLY FOR HOWARD. SIRIUS GETS IT, so should you. Here is the fucking proof that they get it.

All I listen to is Howard on my sirius. Ill just leave my shit the way it is.

I dont plan on changing my acct at all

Deduct $10 if you opt not to receive O & A. And when the fuck are they going to dump Martha Stewart - that would be a big money saver right there.

Looks good to me. I might actually save money.

I know a lot of people think WGAS, but I like that Sirius has on air talent. I've heard XM at resteraunts, etc. and just song after song is kinda annoying. I listen to my iTouch if I want that.

Hit me up with some quick news (who's touring, etc), some info about the bands and some trivia. Sirius has the perfect fomula down. I hope they don't clean house in that regards.

not much has changed

these pricing options are just a starting point. they'll change over time. and I get the feeling that no matter what options they put together, some of you are gonna whine as if you are getting ripped off. a merger of two companies does not mean that the consumer gets the full offer of both companies. you have a right to spend your money (or not) on what they offer , not the right to dictate the terms and conditions of their offer.

deal with it or spend your $20/month somewhere else, just as you did when you signed up for satellite radio in the first place.

Keep in mind that they have to do it this way because current hardware can't get both signals.

Once the companies are actually together for a while and they make the same signals/radios then you can get everything xm and sirius.

I'm a paying subscriber for both companies... I was hoping they would create some lower rate for both combined. Doesn't seem to be the case, but I haven't gone over the proposed schedule that well. This is only a proposal though... seems too busy though with too many option, addons, etc.

I think they would be better off simplifying the plans by reducing the selections while keeping them economical or even making them even more economical. As is people scoff at paying over $10/month for satellite radio, much less picking and choosing or paying over $20/month to get programming from both services.

Fucking confusing as shit ! I don't have time to make those fucking decisions. I will leave my shit the way it is and then just buy an additional subscription for my wife's Tahoe which has the XM built-in.

Fucking confusing as shit ! I don't have time to make those fucking decisions. I will leave my shit the way it is and then just buy an additional subscription for my wife's Tahoe which has the XM built-in.

RIGHT!

Keep in mind that they have to do it this way because current hardware can't get both signals.

Once the companies are actually together for a while and they make the same signals/radios then you can get everything xm and sirius.
That is true of course... they both do their transmissions a little different. As a combined company they could certainly bring XM content to the Sirius broadcast point and vice versa. It could be done via satellite or by ground lines. They could certainly broadcast the other companies channels on their uplinks.

I think they should just combine and make a simple company, while continuing to broadcast in both formats. Streamline, cut, and rework the channels from both services... hopefully to appeal to the majority. Simplifying it would be more marketable IMO short and long term.

I wish I was more familiar with both services technically... such as how many channels are potentially capable in their current bandwidth and how many channels are the receivers limited to?

I did not realize until I heard Mutt say on his show that sirius and XM agreed to never merge when they started using the satelites... When it comes down to it the only thing I expect to see change is an even greater number of commercials. That is going to be AWESOME.

All I want is Howard and MLB.... Price please?

The world would be near to perfect.

I'll just leave mine the way they are. Theres noting on XM id want. Im sure as Hell not buying two more radios and I could never understand how anyone could stay awake listening to baseball on the radio. I like playing it and being live at the ballpark but its boring as Hell on TV let alone radio

Would I need a new receiver if I wanted to add a couple of XM channels to Sirius at $12.95 month?

Nobody is talking about the price of the receivers, the cost will certainly go thru the roof. That is how thay have been enticing new customers very low cost receivers.

You cant get MLB without having a XM reciever from the way I read it, its not an issue of price its an issue of reception. To get Baseball you have to get an XM reciever then order Howard via XM add on package.

That sucks!@
Merger good
packages suck to be honest with ya.

Wish they all all XM and All sirrius package for $25

Looks good to me. I might actually save money.

I know a lot of people think WGAS, but I like that Sirius has on air talent. I've heard XM at resteraunts, etc. and just song after song is kinda annoying. I listen to my iTouch if I want that.

Hit me up with some quick news (who's touring, etc), some info about the bands and some trivia. Sirius has the perfect fomula down. I hope they don't clean house in that regards.

agreed

I wonder about the built in Sirius reciever in my car, I ll probaly be screwed on any XM content.

hopefully they will invent somekinda dual brain that you can swap out.

Neither company plays any songs that you couldn't find on the other. Both have their 70's, 80's 90's channels etc etc....they just have different names.

I listened to XM on my flight to florida last year...they have two channels dedicated to today's hits, just like channel 1 and 9 on sirius.

I have no interest in XM's channels for music. I signed up for howard. I'm not going to pay extra $$$ for four channels which play the 90s.

I couldn't understand some of those XM music channels. What the fuck is Fred or Ethyl? Where is the heavy metal channel?

I think I will just leave my plan the way it is and not bother with any of the XM shit.

clusterfuck

from listening to XM on my satellite tv, I think XM has way better music channels :dontknow:

Sirius-$12.95
XM-$11.95
Commerical free Howard including Friday's priceless

Keep in mind that they have to do it this way because current hardware can't get both signals.

Once the companies are actually together for a while and they make the same signals/radios then you can get everything xm and sirius.

bull shit...why can't they just broadcast the best stations over both satellites and then we wouldn't have to change radios.

also, THAT would be the true meaning of a merger...a synergy of Sirius and XM...this shit is still separate and we get nothing new. fuck this shit.

I paid like $500 in December '05 for a Lifetime subscription - wtf does this mean for me?? :(



It means you should have been smarter than you are.

i'm sure those are honeymoon prices.

bull shit...why can't they just broadcast the best stations over both satellites and then we wouldn't have to change radios.

also, THAT would be the true meaning of a merger...a synergy of Sirius and XM...this shit is still separate and we get nothing new. fuck this shit.

Well said. Keep both satellite systems running concurrenlty, they may lose the millions they would have saved on satellite costs but we'll save the $200 for buying a new radio. E-mail this idea to Mel right away, he needs to hear about this.

hopefully they will invent somekinda dual brain that you can swap out.

Coming form you this makes sense. You're looking to change yours, aren't you?

from listening to XM on my satellite tv, I think XM has way better music channels :dontknow:

If you are into Tammy Wynette, The Lovin' Spoonfull, The Carpenters and Air Supply, then yes, they do.

I couldn't understand some of those XM music channels. What the fuck is Fred or Ethyl? Where is the heavy metal channel?

I think I will just leave my plan the way it is and not bother with any of the XM shit.

You're going to be missing out...
Seriously, those are two terrific channels on XM.

I have both services and I'm definitely going to keep all the XM channels (including baseball) and just add Howard.

The XM music channels are far superior to Sirius.

Basically you can't get howard for less than $12.99/month

I can get Howard without subscribing to Sirius at all, all for the price of my ISP connection.

Looks good to me. I might actually save money.

I know a lot of people think WGAS, but I like that Sirius has on air talent. I've heard XM at resteraunts, etc. and just song after song is kinda annoying. I listen to my iTouch if I want that.

Hit me up with some quick news (who's touring, etc), some info about the bands and some trivia. Sirius has the perfect fomula down. I hope they don't clean house in that regards.

I think quite the opposite. If I want to hear yammering annoying DJ's talking over and into the songs, I'll put on free testicular radio. Nobody (except you I guess) gives a shit about the nonsense these DJ's talk about. They could easily save a shitload of money by canning the DJ's if Sirius was so financially strapped.

I can get Howard without subscribing to Sirius at all, all for the price of my ISP connection.

Oh yeah, if you want to be a low life, slimy fucking thief!!!!

Drop dead, asshole... :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Oh yeah, if you want to be a low life, slimy fucking thief!!!!

Drop dead, asshole... :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

He who has never illegally ripped a song cast the first stone!

Oh yeah, if you want to be a low life, slimy fucking thief!!!!

Drop dead, asshole... :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

So you're saying you have never illegally downloaded anything, including your ipod full of stolen music, in your life? Fucking hypocrite. :rolleye2:

It's a rip, Clear Channel was right, what does my lifetime subscription buy, Opie and Anthony ?

He who has never illegally ripped a song cast the first stone!

Never have, dude...

Also I've never gone into a store and stolen a thing either...

It is the exact same thing.

Great link...looks like I'll just be sticking with what I have. I wanted MLB but fuck them.

So you're saying you have never illegally downloaded anything, including your ipod full of stolen music, in your life? Fucking hypocrite. :rolleye2:

I haven't, dickwad.

Now, go fucking DIE!

Never have, dude...

Also I've never gone into a store and stolen a thing either...

It is the exact same thing.

Go stick your fucking bible up your ass, faggot.

Never have, dude...

Also I've never gone into a store and stolen a thing either...

It is the exact same thing.

I stole a candy bar once. But I felt really bad about it!!

What's the big idea of making baseball so expensive? I would be happy with just Howard and baseball. Looks like I would have to spend $19/month for that. I don't think that will be happening.

you bunch of whining...

Did you think the Merger ment you got double the content for the same price?

The content I am paying for is not going to cost me any less or any more then it is right now. If you want more, you pay for more.. if you want less you can pay for less. More choices are always good.

You stupid loser whining bitches. You will never be happy in life and you will die alone in a ditch somewhere and no one will care.

Have a nice day.

Go stick your fucking bible up your ass, faggot.

I'm not even a practicing Catholic, you ignorant asshole.

NEVER was religion mentioned in any of the previous posts.

What's the big idea of making baseball so expensive? I would be happy with just Howard and baseball. Looks like I would have to spend $19/month for that. I don't think that will be happening.

Not sure if you're reading that right.

I own both services and I'll dump Sirius (their music channels are shit compared to XM) and just add Howard to my XM account.
$16.99 a month vs. $25.98.... YEAH! :D

fuck this. if they are going to dangle 11 XM stations, why not let US choose what XM stations we want? that's not going to happen and you douche bags are sill going to be on board with this whole thing? fuck that. they have pulled the wool so far over your eyes...even further than howard and this whole "revolution" bull shit. it's a joke. i like the sirius music stations. that's why i'm keeping it and that's it.

What's the big idea of making baseball so expensive? I would be happy with just Howard and baseball. Looks like I would have to spend $19/month for that. I don't think that will be happening.
A couple of other websites are sayong that in order to get both Howard and baseball you have to order Sirius A La carte and add the Howard package and then you have to order the XM A La carte package and add the sports package so the price will be 25.98

A couple of other websites are sayong that in order to get both Howard and baseball you have to order Sirius A La carte and add the Howard package and then you have to order the XM A La carte package and add the sports package so the price will be 25.98

Not true...

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6519869225 sorry this reply is off base a bit but im a newby and im on the 30/30/30 plan... but something funny happened and I want to share it.

I was watching HTV the other night which by the way was AWESOME!!! I watched the 'Manboobs' and then 'Jim Florentine' interview with Robin present.. That was awesome and I have to admit these two kids are cute lovers for sure and Shuli you are a loser who will do anything for damn job of yours.. You don't mess with people's love lives Shuli.. just because you don't know what one is!

Finally, the purpose for this post that I thought was funny but noteworthy also I was watching the HTV Florentine interview and suddenly there was this red box that showed up on the screen and I've seen this several times before.. it's the beep beep beep.... This is an emergency broadcast message (or something like that), this is not an actual emergency, if it was an emergency.......... meanwhile HTV is still showing the interview but you don't hear anyone on the STern show, all you hear is this bullshit warning announcement... So I'm waiting for it to end which is usually does after a minute.. But after the announcement which was something like this..

"if this was an actually emergency you would be given instructions on where to go and what to do" Then this voice comes on talk about..... "partly sunny today, tommorrow a chance of showers in the morning clearing out to be a cool clear night... and that's the forecast for 770am, thanks for listening and we have some Billy Joel coming up right here on WABC Radio.... and Billy Joel started to sing... WTF!!! All the while Howard and Jeff and Robin were all talking but you didn't hear any of them and it was bazar let me tell you but after about 3 minutes there were those beeps again and the audio came back for the howard stern show..

So that's it, I thought it was odd but ironic as well because it was a radio show that came over Howard TV.. Anyone else experience this and is this weird or just a freak accident?

Please no mean comments, Im new here but I've seen some nasty replies.. they're not necessary. thanks.

Not sure if you're reading that right.

I own both services and I'll dump Sirius (their music channels are shit compared to XM) and just add Howard to my XM account.
$16.99 a month vs. $25.98.... YEAH! :D

The way I read it is XM Everything @ $12.95 + Howard @ $6 = $18.95. I get XM music stations via DirecTV, and I like their music selection better than Sirius, so this would be the way I would most likely go. I also have to consider that baseball is only around for six months. I wouldn't want to pay $18.95/month without baseball. So that brings me to Sirius Everything and adding premium sports for six months. This whole thing is a pain already. I'm sure that there will be changes as they get a feel for the market.

Apparently, people cannot read. Each service is still going to be seperate with regard to content delivery. There is nothing there that says you can pick A La Carte from the other service. It only has 11 channels for each service that will be available to the other service, but it doesn't say which ones they are.

i have a lifetime membership. i'm good

Apparently, people cannot read. Each service is still going to be seperate with regard to content delivery. There is nothing there that says you can pick A La Carte from the other service. It only has 11 channels for each service that will be available to the other service, but it doesn't say which ones they are.


The equipment to receive XM and Sirius is incompatable. It will take a few years to roll-out new radios.

The equipment to receive XM and Sirius is incompatable. It will take a few years to roll-out new radios.

OK. People think they can get XM and Stern, but that might not be the case. It's possible he's in the "top selections", but it hasn't been revealed what those channels are. As far as Sirius and baseball, it's highly doubtful. The "top selections" is 11 channels, and baseball alone is 15 channels.

I'm only going by what was submitted in the .pdf file. What the plan is NOW. Things can change, but that's all I'm going by.

OK. People think they can get XM and Stern, but that might not be the case. It's possible he's in the "top selections", but it hasn't been revealed what those channels are. As far as Sirius and baseball, it's highly doubtful. The "top selections" is 11 channels, and baseball alone is 15 channels.

I'm only going by what was submitted in the .pdf file. What the plan is NOW. Things can change, but that's all I'm going by.

you're right.

howard will not appear on XM only radios as baseball will not appear on Sirius only radios. It's that simple. another comment for that discussion: we are going to eventually get fucked.

There is nothing from XM that I want...my price stays the same.

Who is going to pay an additional $3 per month for the Opie & Anthony channel or Oprah????? (Page 11, XM A La Carte I.)

When I had XM, O&A was $1.95 extra and I believe they had something like 30,000 subscribers.

It sure looks like there is no access for Howard 100 & 101 on XM at this time......maybe after the merger is approved.

I fail to see the synergy of the merger in these price plans. If it were a true merger, they would throw all the channels into a bin and price each accordingly.

They dont have the ability to broadcast all the channels on either satellites bandwidth.

That is why you don't see any "Everything Sirius and Everything XM" Package. Yet. Like it was posted on here earlier, new radios are coming out that can receive both satellite streams.

fuck this. if they are going to dangle 11 XM stations, why not let US choose what XM stations we want? that's not going to happen and you douche bags are sill going to be on board with this whole thing? fuck that. they have pulled the wool so far over your eyes...even further than howard and this whole "revolution" bull shit. it's a joke. i like the sirius music stations. that's why i'm keeping it and that's it.

See my other post.

Who is going to pay an additional $3 per month for the Opie & Anthony channel or Oprah????? (Page 11, XM A La Carte I.)

When I had XM, O&A was $1.95 extra and I believe they had something like 30,000 subscribers.

It sure looks like there is no access for Howard 100 & 101 on XM at this time......maybe after the merger is approved.

They wouldn't be stupid enough to not offer howard on XM. That bump in revenue would be substantial.

I paid like $500 in December '05 for a Lifetime subscription - wtf does this mean for me?? :(

It means a new radio and a new subscription.

;)

They dont have the ability to broadcast all the channels on either satellites bandwidth.

That is why you don't see any "Everything Sirius and Everything XM" Package. Yet. Like it was posted on here earlier, new radios are coming out that can receive both satellite streams.

Ok, hold on a second. When I argued the fact that radio's could come out that would receive both Sirius and XM signals, thus negating a merger, you said no one wanted it. Now that they are merging you are basically in favor of this. Let me ask you, why can't both companies remain separate while both having a la carte pricing and develop radio's that accept both signals?

not paying a dime more for Howard's show. I'll stick with what I have now. XM has nothing to offer, so I could give a shit if this merger goes through.


Really, the only benefit is Howard will stop bitching about it. :D

i was originally in favor of the merger, but seeing this shit now really bums me out.

it doesnt look bad, o really only want Howard the MLB stations and some music stations, so i guess ill be paying a little extra but i think for the mlb games itll be worth it

I made it to a word doc for anyone that wants it.....

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Z2GM5P2T

Ok, hold on a second. When I argued the fact that radio's could come out that would receive both Sirius and XM signals, thus negating a merger, you said no one wanted it. Now that they are merging you are basically in favor of this. Let me ask you, why can't both companies remain separate while both having a la carte pricing and develop radio's that accept both signals?

Wrong again. You bat .000, you know that?

When Mel was in front of congress, he said that radios that accept both signals were developed. He has one in his office. What he also said was that since both sirius and XM subsidize the cost of making the radios, and neither company would subsidize the cost of a radio that could be used against them, none were mass produced. Remember, neither Sirius or XM make radios.

Do you know of any company that would offer what you are asking? I believe you said you own a business. Would you offer a product that could be used to compete against you? Of course not.

You will not accept the fact that the cost cutting benefits of the merger is what makes this a la carte offering possible. If you wont accept facts, there is no sense talking to you.

Looks good to me. I might actually save money.

I know a lot of people think WGAS, but I like that Sirius has on air talent. I've heard XM at resteraunts, etc. and just song after song is kinda annoying. I listen to my iTouch if I want that.

Hit me up with some quick news (who's touring, etc), some info about the bands and some trivia. Sirius has the perfect fomula down. I hope they don't clean house in that regards.

I have never heard the "talent" on any Sirius music channel say anything even slightly interesting or informative. Moreover, they frequently utter gratuitous profanities and sexually graphic non-sequiturs which, while I am no prude (I do, after all, listen to "The Howard Stern Show" on a daily basis), I find to be most distasteful, and entirely inappropriate on what are supposed to be music channels!

I hope everyone at one point will have to order Howard so we can see the true # of listeners. My bet is that its not as many as people think!

I hope everyone at one point will have to order Howard so we can see the true # of listeners. My bet is that its not as many as people think!

DDDDDT! You fail again. Arbitron already did one ratings book for satrad so Howard's numbers are already known. Try again.

Wrong again. You bat .000, you know that?

When Mel was in front of congress, he said that radios that accept both signals were developed. He has one in his office. What he also said was that since both sirius and XM subsidize the cost of making the radios, and neither company would subsidize the cost of a radio that could be used against them, none were mass produced. Remember, neither Sirius or XM make radios.

Do you know of any company that would offer what you are asking? I believe you said you own a business. Would you offer a product that could be used to compete against you? Of course not.

You will not accept the fact that the cost cutting benefits of the merger is what makes this a la carte offering possible. If you wont accept facts, there is no sense talking to you.

I am sure Sirius/XM subsidize the cost just as cell phone companies subsidize the cost. However, just like cell phone companies, manufacturers could easily make a radio that accepts both signals without being subsidized. We see integration of this type all the time Radio's are being manufactured to accept terrestrial signals, CD's, and IPOD's. Why is it so hard to make a radio that accepts both signals?


I do own a business, and I would do exactly the same thing Mel is doing. Why? Because all I care about it my profits and keeping share-holders happy. I know that by not offering a la carte and these nice radio's. I am forcing my subscribers to buy into a merger that makes us a monopoly which will allow us to raise prices at will. It's a great scheme by Mel. He tells everyone "look how much you get with the merger...but only if you approve it because if you don't...then you won't get all this nice a la carte pricing". Then, after a year or so, prices start to increase. They will have 20+ million subscribers, operating at half the cost, and know that people will pay because most believe it's a "bargain". People like you not only do not understand economics, you also don't understand American psychology or businesses in general. You think Mel is some saint and he wants the merger for "the good of the consumer". I laugh at people like you -- so naive.

Ok, hold on a second. When I argued the fact that radio's could come out that would receive both Sirius and XM signals, thus negating a merger, you said no one wanted it. Now that they are merging you are basically in favor of this. Let me ask you, why can't both companies remain separate while both having a la carte pricing and develop radio's that accept both signals?

Wrong again. You bat .000, you know that?

When Mel was in front of congress, he said that radios that accept both signals were developed. He has one in his office. What he also said was that since both sirius and XM subsidize the cost of making the radios, and neither company would subsidize the cost of a radio that could be used against them, none were mass produced. Remember, neither Sirius or XM make radios.

Do you know of any company that would offer what you are asking? I believe you said you own a business. Would you offer a product that could be used to compete against you? Of course not.

You will not accept the fact that the cost cutting benefits of the merger is what makes this a la carte offering possible. If you wont accept facts, there is no sense talking to you.

Sirius was required to develop such a radio as a condition of receiving their license to operate, as they admit in this form 10-K they filed with the SEC (http://www.shareholder.com/Common/Edgar/908937/930413-07-1865/07-00.pdf). They were also granted their license with the condition that they could not merge with XM, as Mel Karmazin acknowledged in his testimony before congress. Now, they come crying, "Waaaaah, we can't keep the agreements we made and still make a profit, so how about letting us off the hook, waaaaah" - just like Artie's deadbeat bookie.

Well, eff 'em! I'm sick-and-tired of seeing the government bail-out rich people when their speculative ventures fail, while chopping away the social programs that serve the poor and middle classes!

Besides, wi-fi will soon supplant satellite for delivering content to mobile devices.

All I want from XM is the fucking golf and hockey channels. Wonder what thats gonna cost :bigthink:

Eh I'll just keep what I have. I have DirecTV that has XM built in, never listened to it though.

I would recommend getting the A la Carte 1 package and get the Howard channels as an addition. That way if Howard starts to suck too much you can get rid of the Howard channels and still have some descent music. And it is a way to apply some pressure on Howard to produce a fucking decent show now and again. If the threat of losing a bunch of subscribers were real he may not take the show so lightly.

Also, Howard's contract is up in what 2-3 years? Will Howard even be coming back after that? Getting Howard as a separate part of the plan would be the best way to go.

So I was looking at that.. what if I want the Howard super premium package and the XM sports package.. so I get Howard, MLB, and NHL.. Doesn't look like that's an option..

I am sure Sirius/XM subsidize the cost just as cell phone companies subsidize the cost. However, just like cell phone companies, manufacturers could easily make a radio that accepts both signals without being subsidized. We see integration of this type all the time Radio's are being manufactured to accept terrestrial signals, CD's, and IPOD's. Why is it so hard to make a radio that accepts both signals?


I do own a business, and I would do exactly the same thing Mel is doing. Why? Because all I care about it my profits and keeping share-holders happy. I know that by not offering a la carte and these nice radio's. I am forcing my subscribers to buy into a merger that makes us a monopoly which will allow us to raise prices at will. It's a great scheme by Mel. He tells everyone "look how much you get with the merger...but only if you approve it because if you don't...then you won't get all this nice a la carte pricing". Then, after a year or so, prices start to increase. They will have 20+ million subscribers, operating at half the cost, and know that people will pay because most believe it's a "bargain". People like you not only do not understand economics, you also don't understand American psychology or businesses in general. You think Mel is some saint and he wants the merger for "the good of the consumer". I laugh at people like you -- so naive.

No matter what evidence is in front of you, you know all, huh? The pricing structure came out, and guess what? We're not getting screwed. In a year there is a possibility that prices could go up. You know what else? If the merger doesn't go through, theres a greater possibility prices go up.

You show your stupidity. You say if you were in mel's spot, you'd want to keep stock holders happy, yet you keep asking the question, "why don't they offer to lower the average subscription cost without lowering any operating costs?" Duh.

I'm well aware who mel is trying to keep happy. Im just saying that we ARE NOT getting screwed like you think we are by him doing so. Quite the opposite. And regardless of the mounting evidence against you, you keep repeating yourself.

Am I correct in reading that both of their 'Top 40' (or 20) stations will be a premium channel? Considering that those channels are the most popular radio stations on terrestrial radio, then wouldn't it make sense to not pay extra when people can say fuck that and move away from satelllite?

the only stations i want are howard 100 and howard 101

No matter what evidence is in front of you, you know all, huh? The pricing structure came out, and guess what? We're not getting screwed. In a year there is a possibility that prices could go up. You know what else? If the merger doesn't go through, theres a greater possibility prices go up.

You show your stupidity. You say if you were in mel's spot, you'd want to keep stock holders happy, yet you keep asking the question, "why don't they offer to lower the average subscription cost without lowering any operating costs?" Duh.

I'm well aware who mel is trying to keep happy. Im just saying that we ARE NOT getting screwed like you think we are by him doing so. Quite the opposite. And regardless of the mounting evidence against you, you keep repeating yourself.

Why worry about costs? There is already competition to satellite radio and there are also emerging technologies that will up the competition in years to come. Just wait until you have radios that can stream internet music. They're coming. Cell phones already can do this. Prices for satellite can't go up because subscribers will abandon it. The problem is that they rely on subscriptions per receiver. They would be much better off if subscriptions were based on per logon. I can subscirbe to sites online and log into them from anywhere on the internet, yet subscribing to satellite means having to have multiple radios or the inconvenience of moving a receiver around wherever you go.

The problem with both Sirius and XM is that it cost an enormous amount of money just to get started. On top of this, they have large operating costs as well. Both companies carry a ton of debt. As a combined company, they can consolidate operating costs and it's their hope to reduce their debt and start showing profit as a result.

I personally don't like satellite radio. It leaves a lot to be desired as far as fidelity is concerned and, as I mentioned before, it isn't convenient. Once Howard goes, so do I. I would like to see the best of both XM and Sirius to combine into a single offering. Basically, all they have to do is take Howard 100 & 101, and Sirius Stars, and combine it with XM and broadcast the same thing to both XM and Sirius radios. This isn't tough to do. Why carry so many channels separately? It doesn't make sense costwise. They need to combine, make a single service, under a single brand name. Keeping XM and Sirius separately is stupid.

danielkim818 is completely correct, you guys need to stop whining.

If any of you have any technical knowledge at all you'd understand that they can only broadcast 'x' amount of channels on a given bandwidth. The amount of channels depends on the quality of each channel. They can stream the XM stations to Sirius to be uplinked to the satellites above, but are only alloted 'y' amount of slots that are free on the Sirius satellites. It seems like temporarily this is 11 XM stations plus baseball and other premium XM stations. Currently they cannot allow you to pick the 11 stations because I assume that they don't have the space to fit all XM channels. This same thing is happening to Cable TV and bringing HDTV channels. They are getting rid of the high bandwidth analog stations to be able to fit more HD content and make more efficient use of their alotted bandwidth. They also have a long term goal to switch to fiber optic network will will allow much more space.

When receivers come out which can demodulate signals from both satellites we will be able to get all the content for a price which will be later disclosed, maybe more maybe less, who knows. Will we have to buy new receivers to get both signals? Yes, and that won't be cheap, and hopefully they will give some sort of deal.

This merger is great, you guys are complaining about it, hell why not send complaints to the FCC so they delay or stop this merger all together then we are left with nothing. As with any service provider you pay more for premiums. Do you guys bitch about your cable or satellite TV packages? You arn't paying more for the current Sirius selection.

In time I hope dkmi is right, they will consolidate into a single company and get rid of redundant channels.

This merger is great, you guys are complaining about it, hell why not send complaints to the FCC so they delay or stop this merger all together then we are left with nothing.

Do you guys bitch about your cable or satellite TV packages?




left with nothing? we would be left with what we have now.
mel said 2 years ago that last year sirius would turn a profit. i trust mel.

yes i would bitch if the 2 satellite TV companys merged.
direct TV was screwing me over for 5 months, so finally i told them to fuck off and i ordered dish network. that option was nice. if they had a monopoly i would of been stuck.

Basically, all they have to do is take Howard 100 & 101, and Sirius Stars, and combine it with XM and broadcast the same thing to both XM and Sirius radios. This isn't tough to do. Why carry so many channels separately? It doesn't make sense costwise. They need to combine, make a single service, under a single brand name. Keeping XM and Sirius separately is stupid.

Exactly. If they really want to cut costs, they should really merge the two brands, channels and all, and get rid of any redundancies. Combine the music/talk channels, trim down the workforce and be a much leaner organization with a much larger subscriber base.

RawDog is included in a-la-cart, you can add Playboy for only a quarter, but Howard is $6.00???

Exactly. If they really want to cut costs, they should really merge the two brands, channels and all, and get rid of any redundancies. Combine the music/talk channels, trim down the workforce and be a much leaner organization with a much larger subscriber base.

I believe thats a matter of time. But there labor costs pale in comparison to their satellite costs. It costs something like half a billion to put a new satellite up. That right there saves a ton of cash.

No matter what evidence is in front of you, you know all, huh? The pricing structure came out, and guess what? We're not getting screwed. In a year there is a possibility that prices could go up. You know what else? If the merger doesn't go through, theres a greater possibility prices go up.

You show your stupidity. You say if you were in mel's spot, you'd want to keep stock holders happy, yet you keep asking the question, "why don't they offer to lower the average subscription cost without lowering any operating costs?" Duh.

I'm well aware who mel is trying to keep happy. Im just saying that we ARE NOT getting screwed like you think we are by him doing so. Quite the opposite. And regardless of the mounting evidence against you, you keep repeating yourself.

I am sorry to make you look dumb, but you should go look up the definition of "rhetorical question". Yes, I ask a simple question (not the one you listed) constantly so others can see that Mel is not in it for the consumer, because if he were, then we would have a la carte pricing right now. Do you understand now?

The evidence is all in my corner, it's just people like you choose to ignore it. You realize that over the past 7 years subscription costs have gone up exactly once! How many times has cable prices gone up in that same period? Do you really think prices will not increase as soon as they get the chance? Please tell me you aren't this ignorant? Did you also believe Amazon would never make a profit? Yeah, a lot of analysts and stock guys said that...ooops. You see the short term while I have foresight. Right now, Mel is dangling a carrot in front of your face and laughing at every post you make whereby you think this is such a good deal.

I believe thats a matter of time. But there labor costs pale in comparison to their satellite costs. It costs something like half a billion to put a new satellite up. That right there saves a ton of cash.

It cost have a billion to get one person at Sirius, but that's different. :D

And how does that save them cash? The sats are already there, unless you mean way down the line when they have to be replaced or repaired.

I also think it will come in time, the actual combining of everything, otherwise what's the point of merging? I bet it happens sooner rather than later, depending on what the FCC does.

I purchased a lifetime subscription to Sirius. I ask the question again. Any new channel, talent, sports, etc, that is added, that will obviously be a la carte. How does my lifetime subscription EVER IMPROVE? Answer, it never will. This is why the merger is not good for me, the lifetime subscriber.

Eventually, there will be about 10 channels that are free.

I am sorry to make you look dumb, but you should go look up the definition of "rhetorical question". Yes, I ask a simple question (not the one you listed) constantly so others can see that Mel is not in it for the consumer, because if he were, then we would have a la carte pricing right now. Do you understand now?

The evidence is all in my corner, it's just people like you choose to ignore it. You realize that over the past 7 years subscription costs have gone up exactly once! How many times has cable prices gone up in that same period? Do you really think prices will not increase as soon as they get the chance? Please tell me you aren't this ignorant? Did you also believe Amazon would never make a profit? Yeah, a lot of analysts and stock guys said that...ooops. You see the short term while I have foresight. Right now, Mel is dangling a carrot in front of your face and laughing at every post you make whereby you think this is such a good deal.

How many times has gas gone up while there were 2 companies? That makes as much sense as your cable comparison. Im assuming you were trying to say that because they are a monopoly, they could raise prices as much as they want. But that doesn't work because, as the DOJ determined, there are too many alternatives to consider this a monopoly. If and when the real mel shows up and tries to ass rape us like you say is bound to happen, we can go back to terrestrial, or to HD radio, or to an MP3 player. Or by that time, we might be able to get the internet in our hover cars.

rhetorical question
n. A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.

Why the fuck would you keep asking a question you weren't expecting an answer to?

I purchased a lifetime subscription to Sirius. I ask the question again. Any new channel, talent, sports, etc, that is added, that will obviously be a la carte. How does my lifetime subscription EVER IMPROVE? Answer, it never will. This is why the merger is not good for me, the lifetime subscriber.

Eventually, there will be about 10 channels that are free.

They have never taken away stations from a lifer. To expect that you can get a lot more without spending money is fucking stupid.

The lifetime sub is an excellent deal. There is a possibility you will be able to add XM channels for a fee. That is better than buying an XM sub and having the lifetime Sirius sub. Potentially good, and certainly not bad for you, the lifetime subscriber.

RawDog is included in a-la-cart, you can add Playboy for only a quarter, but Howard is $6.00???

Were people signing up for Sirius so they can have the Playboy channel? No. They were signing up for Howard primarily. That's why he's $6.00

I've been skimming through the thread, my take on it to this point is this. For die hard listeners like us the pricing will mostly remain the same. For the casual listeners, the price will go down. I think there are a lot of people out there who get the service in the new cars they buy, they get the service for 6 months-1 year, and then they cancel it. A cheaper package may get those casual listeners to keep the service after the initial period, and that's a lot of people, and a lot of money.

As for me, I would like to keep what I have, and grab the baseball and maybe hear some of the more specialized rock channels on XM. I'll figure it out, and if it's a couple of bucks more I don't think I'll mind, and if I keep it the same that's great.

The bottom line is we'll still have the service, and that's the most important thing.

Exactly. If they really want to cut costs, they should really merge the two brands, channels and all, and get rid of any redundancies. Combine the music/talk channels, trim down the workforce and be a much leaner organization with a much larger subscriber base.

They have billions of dollars invested in SAT constellations and terrestrial repeaters that are incompatible. The assets have no value to anyone else and won't be replaced with a single network for another 10+ years. In the interim they will transmit some of the same content on both networks as well as introduce dual network radios.

Still doesn't make sense. How do I get everything XM (I much prefer there trafic to Sirius) plus Stern, Nascar and NFL? Will I still have to carry both services?

Sweet....now hurry up and merge so I can get baseball. I've been waiting 2 f'n years now

They have billions of dollars invested in SAT constellations and terrestrial repeaters that are incompatible. The assets have no value to anyone else and won't be replaced with a single network for another 10+ years. In the interim they will transmit some of the same content on both networks as well as introduce dual network radios.

Would make the most sense if they changed the lineup on both services to match and broadcast identical content over both networks. The music channels obviously overlap. Talk channels can also be consolidated. Then there are the channels that are nothing more than radio broadcasts of television. Who listens to these? Combining the two services into a best-of both would be simple.

The problem with the merger is that these companies exist using separate, proprietary infrastructures. Will sharing HR, accounting, and marketing be enough to ensure success? One thing is for certain and that is that they cannot rely on just being satellite radio. They really need to start focusing on other things such as marketing to people who would only listen online. Seems to me there's room for lots of improvement here. The separate infrastructures don't matter on the internet. Furthermore, online users should be able to pick and choose any channel or combination of channels. Monopoly or not, they are still a customer driven service. They should be focusing on giving the customer as many options as possible.

I really would only want the NHL that was on Sirius last year.

They should be focusing on giving the customer as many options as possible.

I agree. I believe they want to grow the business by retaining current subscribers as well as offering additional services to sign-up new subscribers.

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6519869225

Cool, thanks.

Although I like the idea of picking and choosing my channels, I REFUSE to buy ANOTHER fuckin radio to get A La Carte programming(I already have a Stiletto100 and an Inno, and had purchased others before these 2 top ones came out).
I will probably end up spending the same $$ I do now to get both XM and Sirius.

They have never taken away stations from a lifer. To expect that you can get a lot more without spending money is fucking stupid.

The lifetime sub is an excellent deal. There is a possibility you will be able to add XM channels for a fee. That is better than buying an XM sub and having the lifetime Sirius sub. Potentially good, and certainly not bad for you, the lifetime subscriber.


Can I explain this to you again please? Under the old/current system at Sirius, when they add a new channel, ie, the Springsteen channel, the Greatful Dead channel, the Martha Stewart channel, the Jamie Fox channel, etc, THEY ARE FREE!!!!!!!! I don't pay any additional money. NONE!!! Under this new ala carte crap, I will have to pay for anything that is an improvement. They will NEVER GIVE ME ANYTHING MORE FOR FREE. Please tell me I am wrong here. The reason I bought the lifetime is too never have to give them more money. Once Howard retires, the lifetime subs. that I bought will be almost obsolete. Obviously I will want any new talent that is brought in without forking over more $.

Can I explain this to you again please? Under the old/current system at Sirius, when they add a new channel, ie, the Springsteen channel, the Greatful Dead channel, the Martha Stewart channel, the Jamie Fox channel, etc, THEY ARE FREE!!!!!!!! I don't pay any additional money. NONE!!! Under this new ala carte crap, I will have to pay for anything that is an improvement. They will NEVER GIVE ME ANYTHING MORE FOR FREE. Please tell me I am wrong here. The reason I bought the lifetime is too never have to give them more money. Once Howard retires, the lifetime subs. that I bought will be almost obsolete. Obviously I will want any new talent that is brought in without forking over more $.

How the fuck do you know?

Right now you get everything Sirius. When they go to the new pricing structure, Lifers will fall into the "everything sirius" category. When they add something under the Sirius umbrella, you would get it, because it would be part of "everything sirius".

You see that a la carte is only 2 of the many options they have given, right?

If you threw out your radio the day howard leaves, you still paid less than the monthly subscribers. Quit bitching.

I don't even see a Sirius option with baseball?

I notice the O&A package is $3

I notice the O&A package is $3

They should pay us $3 a month to listen to that shit.

just updated the first post with details and stuck on the homepage. This appears to be the same pricing plan that they proposed over a year ago when the merger plans were first announced.

kashmir, you are correct. if you want Howard you will continue to pay the $12.95 a month you pay now. people who don't care about Howard can get a cheaper plan.

But what radios? I have an '08 GM with XM built in. Can i get the 50/50 package without an equipment upgrade? This is the stuff we need to know.

But what radios? I have an '08 GM with XM built in. Can i get the 50/50 package without an equipment upgrade? This is the stuff we need to know.

don't know anything about XM or the in car radios.

stuff like the stilletto 1 & 2, sportser 4 & 5 are next gen.

it needs to be a radio that lets you log in online (via computer) and selectively pick channels. not all radios can do that for some reason.

I am probably one of the few people saying it's about time this merger went through finally as well. Having said that and with all of this talk of various packages and a la carte options being talked about.
I really do not think that that these packages are going to be set in stone just yet. We should wait and see what happens in the next few weeks and see what happens.

If in fact then these are packages are as is, then deal with it and move on.
By the way, anyone have an idea what the new name will be?

I want to know what stations the best of both package will get us

you and me both

according to a SFNer in another thread, MLB won't be part of it. he says there's a licensing issue they need to get straightened out.

probably gonna go with a la carte II. i got a friend who has xm and he says that some of music stations are better than the ones on sirius, plus i need my baseball

looks like I'll be paying $4.04 more per month