As a baseball fan, my feeling is that all 103 other names should come out..and all the players involved should be stripped of all MVP's..CY Young awards and NEVER be considered for Hall Of Fame Induction..as a Yankee fan this whole thing is distasteful at best and despicable at worst..I find it deplorable that the players association has gone out of the way to shield these players who have not only broken the rules and the spirit of the game..but have also broken the law and committed illegal activities. I found A-Rods apology to be self-serving and stupid..to blame the reporter for "stalking" him and to make accusations against her just shows his ignorance..his apology to me was like this.." Yes I am at fault..BUTTTT if she hadn't stalked me..or if they hadn't done this" yada..yada..yada..I hope that the Yankees find a way if not to void his entire contract..then at the very least find a way to take away all home run incentives..and I also hope he NEVER wins another MVP Award..FUCK ALL THESE CHEATERS WHO HAVE DESTROYED OUR GAME WITH THEIR OWN OBSESSIVE GREED!!

Rick,

I agree all 103 names should be released but you can't take away their awards or deny them the Hall of Fame, won't happen. Many were heading to the Hall before roids. We also have no proof how long they used them and if in fact they were effective.

Rick,

I agree all 103 names should be released but you can't take away their awards or deny them the Hall of Fame, won't happen. Many were heading to the Hall before roids. We also have no proof how long they used them and if in fact they were effective.


So you're saying that Barry Bonds should get into the Hall Of Fame?

Rick,

I agree all 103 names should be released but you can't take away their awards or deny them the Hall of Fame, won't happen. Many were heading to the Hall before roids. We also have no proof how long they used them and if in fact they were effective. dude the fact is they used illegal drugs..whether those drugs helped them or not is immaterial..they took them with the thought that it would give them an advantage..thats all the proof that is needed to show that they have less respect then us fans who plunk down alot of money to take in a game..while I realize the awards cant be taken away..I do support the option of A-Roid NEVER being chosen for the All-Star Game or NEVER being considered for an MVP award again.. :cool:

the problem with taking away their awards and whatever is that there were many many more who used too....they just didn't get caught

i think eventually it will come out that most players from this era used

and guess what? players are using shit today that will be illegal tomorrow...when that day comes you gonna take away their awards too?

get used to this shit....modern medicine will continually stay one step ahead of the tests with something new

the problem with taking away their awards and whatever is that there were many many more who used too....they just didn't get caught

i think eventually it will come out that most players from this era used


I totally agree that you can't take away awards or anything like that.

But do you really think that "most" used steroids? I'm not trying to be argumentative but I just have a hard time believing it's that high of a number. I know Canseco said something like 70 - 80% but those numbers seem ridiculous. I always thought around 25 - 30% at most.

So you're saying that Barry Bonds should get into the Hall Of Fame?

Was he a Hall of Famer before he was known to use roids?

dude the fact is they used illegal drugs..whether those drugs helped them or not is immaterial..they took them with the thought that it would give them an advantage..thats all the proof that is needed to show that they have less respect then us fans who plunk down alot of money to take in a game..while I realize the awards cant be taken away..I do support the option of A-Roid NEVER being chosen for the All-Star Game or NEVER being considered for an MVP award again.. :cool:

So, you will punish him NOW for something he did 6 years ago in which MLB knew and did nothing about? Now that isn't fair at all.

As a baseball fan, my feeling is that all 103 other names should come out..and all the players involved should be stripped of all MVP's..CY Young awards and NEVER be considered for Hall Of Fame Induction..as a Yankee fan this whole thing is distasteful at best and despicable at worst..I find it deplorable that the players association has gone out of the way to shield these players who have not only broken the rules and the spirit of the game..but have also broken the law and committed illegal activities. I found A-Rods apology to be self-serving and stupid..to blame the reporter for "stalking" him and to make accusations against her just shows his ignorance..his apology to me was like this.." Yes I am at fault..BUTTTT if she hadn't stalked me..or if they hadn't done this" yada..yada..yada..I hope that the Yankees find a way if not to void his entire contract..then at the very least find a way to take away all home run incentives..and I also hope he NEVER wins another MVP Award..FUCK ALL THESE CHEATERS WHO HAVE DESTROYED OUR GAME WITH THEIR OWN OBSESSIVE GREED!!

Jesus Rick. I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but lay off your Yankees. If we ever found out each player who cheated every fan would be disappointed with one of "our" guys. I'm sure there are Sox on that list.

And I thought ARod came off looking stupid in that apology and I didn't really believe him either, but what are you going to do as a Yankee fan? He's your 3rd baseman for the next 9 years. As a Yankee fan you have to just say, "Fuck it. A lot of guys did it too and I lost respect for him but I'll keep rooting for him because of the jersey he wears." And that's all. Cheer for him when he comes to the plate because it is what it is. I still root for Rodney Harrison and I never wanted him off the Pats after he was busted for HGH. I was disappointed but he's still one of my favorite players. I don't making any bullshit excuses for him - he cheated - but I don't treat him like he killed a nun either.

And I keep saying this...you're dead on regarding the Players Association. What they did was worse than what ARod did.

get used to this shit....modern medicine will continually stay one step ahead of the tests with something new

Good point.

Whats the deal with the other names will they come out?

We should have predictions of who is on the list.

As a baseball fan, my feeling is that all 103 other names should come out..and all the players involved should be stripped of all MVP's..CY Young awards and NEVER be considered for Hall Of Fame Induction..as a Yankee fan this whole thing is distasteful at best and despicable at worst..I find it deplorable that the players association has gone out of the way to shield these players who have not only broken the rules and the spirit of the game..but have also broken the law and committed illegal activities. I found A-Rods apology to be self-serving and stupid..to blame the reporter for "stalking" him and to make accusations against her just shows his ignorance..his apology to me was like this.." Yes I am at fault..BUTTTT if she hadn't stalked me..or if they hadn't done this" yada..yada..yada..I hope that the Yankees find a way if not to void his entire contract..then at the very least find a way to take away all home run incentives..and I also hope he NEVER wins another MVP Award..FUCK ALL THESE CHEATERS WHO HAVE DESTROYED OUR GAME WITH THEIR OWN OBSESSIVE GREED!!


Couldn't agree more..............

I totally agree that you can't take away awards or anything like that.

But do you really think that "most" used steroids? I'm not trying to be argumentative but I just have a hard time believing it's that high of a number. I know Canseco said something like 70 - 80% but those numbers seem ridiculous. I always thought around 25 - 30% at most.

i'll bet more than 50% of the 'best' players used...even if it was just to try it

Jesus Rick. I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but lay off your Yankees. If we ever found out each player who cheated every fan would be disappointed with one of "our" guys. I'm sure there are Sox on that list.

And I thought ARod came off looking stupid in that apology and I didn't really believe him either, but what are you going to do as a Yankee fan? He's your 3rd baseman for the next 9 years. As a Yankee fan you have to just say, "Fuck it. A lot of guys did it too and I lost respect for him but I'll keep rooting for him because of the jersey he wears." And that's all. Cheer for him when he comes to the plate because it is what it is. I still root for Rodney Harrison and I never wanted him off the Pats after he was busted for HGH. I was disappointed but he's still one of my favorite players. I don't making any bullshit excuses for him - he cheated - but I don't treat him like he killed a nun either.

And I keep saying this...you're dead on regarding the Players Association. What they did was worse than what ARod did. bro it doesnt matter to me who these guys played for..the fact is they betrayed the game that some of us grew up both playing and watching..and they dont deserve any type of respect or awards..of course I realize that none of this is gonna happen..and I'm sure if A-Roid hits a key homer..or Andy pitches a great game that I will be glad as a Yanks fan..but it will stil bug me that they cheated..guess I just expected better ( for some dumb reason)

So you're saying that Barry Bonds should get into the Hall Of Fame?

Bonds, Clemens and Rose should all go in together. Put on their plaques what they were banned for to begin with

I know Canseco said something like 70 - 80% but those numbers seem ridiculous. I always thought around 25 - 30% at most.

Steve Phillips yesterday on Michael Kays show said the same thing about 70-75% used steroids or HGH

Randy Johnson,clean or not ?

Rick,

I agree all 103 names should be released but you can't take away their awards or deny them the Hall of Fame, won't happen. Many were heading to the Hall before roids. We also have no proof how long they used them and if in fact they were effective.

WRONGO again. Roger was NOT heading into the Hall before his roid days in Toronto and beyond.

Try again.

So what if they don't let the 103 other names out and Pujols or someone who eventually makes the HOF is on it? When a guy like a Pujols gets in and then it comes out he took shit do you revoke his HOF status even though "experts" voted him in? I'm pissed at this news too but we have to wait and eventually see how this entire era folds out before we or anyone says anything. But I do agree Arod looked like a complete bullshitter in his apology and also looked a weird Hi-C looking color what the shit was that haha.

WRONGO again. Roger was NOT heading into the Hall before his roid days in Toronto and beyond.

Try again.

HE wasn't? WOW, they you have a lot of pitchers now that won't be getting into the Hall if that is the case.

HE wasn't? WOW, they you have a lot of pitchers now that won't be getting into the Hall if that is the case.

Nope. At that time, his numbers were comparable to those who didn't get in. Look it up.

Nope. At that time, his numbers were comparable to those who didn't get in. Look it up.

And what time was that? When was it proven that Clemens tested positve for roids, I mean, as of now, there is not actual proof on record, is there? So say they prove he used in 2005, does he get in then?

And what time was that? When was it proven that Clemens tested positve for roids, I mean, as of now, there is not actual proof on record, is there? So say they prove he used in 2005, does he get in then?

Right after he left Boston. As for proof, it will be coming. In the meantime, his career was ending (as it does for most human 40 year old power pitchers), and then he starts his roid regimine in Toronto and magically he puts together back to back cy young years. Then he loses his trainer when he comes to the Yanks in his first year and sinks back to where most humans would (at about .500) and when he is reunited with his supplier he magically resumes his Cy Young type numbers.


Gee....see a trend?

Right after he left Boston. As for proof, it will be coming. In the meantime, his career was ending (as it does for most human 40 year old power pitchers), and then he starts his roid regimine in Toronto and magically he puts together back to back cy young years. Then he loses his trainer when he comes to the Yanks in his first year and sinks back to where most humans would (at about .500) and when he is reunited with his supplier he magically resumes his Cy Young type numbers.


Gee....see a trend?

Where the fuck have you been, have you been using a mult? You come back out of no where and come busting my balls!

Well, as of now, we have ZERO proof and legal confirmation that Roger used, so, we can end it there. If you wnat to assume when he used it, I will say 2005 and you can say what ever you wish.

Roger will end up in jail, and Nuge will still be saying he is innocent. It is pretty sad. Just like the rest of Nuge's life :rolleyes:

Roger will end up in jail, and Nuge will still be saying he is innocent. It is pretty sad. Just like the rest of Nuge's life :rolleyes:

As sad as you make my life out to be, I do not live with my parents, I do not work in a factory, I am not single and stuck at home on SFN, I am not a hater and I do not suck cock like you. So, you are pretty sad my friend, you would be lucky to roll in my wheels.

As sad as you make my life out to be, I do not live with my parents, I do not work in a factory, I am not single and stuck at home on SFN, I am not a hater and I do not suck cock like you. So, you are pretty sad my friend, you would be lucky to roll in my wheels.

This coming from a cripple in a wheelchair. How was Dinsey World? Did you have any problems coming home? You live the life of Eric the Midget, you just earn your taxpayer handout with a "make work" job. You define harmless, and clueless :hw:

Did you get new racing gloves Nugey? :rofl:

This coming from a cripple in a wheelchair. How was Dinsey World? Did you have any problems coming home? You live the life of Eric the Midget, you just earn your taxpayer handout with a "make work" job. You define harmless, and clueless :hw:

Think what you may son, as sad as it looks, it is still a better and happier life then the one you lead......

Think what you may son, as sad as it looks, it is still a better and happier life then the one you lead......

How was Disney World?

lol, ill stop there. I dont want to cross the line to cruel :jj:

As sad as you make my life out to be, I do not live with my parents, I do not work in a factory, I am not single and stuck at home on SFN, I am not a hater and I do not suck cock like you. So, you are pretty sad my friend, you would be lucky to roll in my wheels.



Hey Queenie,


Do you really still live with your Mom and Dad? Aren't you like 30? I know you're single (let's be real...who would have you), but still living with Mom and Dad?

No wonder you're such a sad bitter little man who brags about being an unpaid stooge on a radio program twice a year that no one listens too....or brags about going to a baseball news conference in the middle of the day. I mean, why not? If not like you have a life or anything.

I'm truly sorry I ever gave you shit. Your life is so pathetic it's like kicking a crippled kid. Please give my regards to Mom tonight when she tucks you in. :hw: :jj:

Queenie....Christmas Day with Mom and Dad.....right before he knocks himself unconscious with his new toy......








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Rick,

I agree all 103 names should be released but you can't take away their awards or deny them the Hall of Fame, won't happen. Many were heading to the Hall before roids. We also have no proof how long they used them and if in fact they were effective.
no proof they were effective? are you kidding, A-Rods best seasons were with the texas rangers, and many a player will tell you that the heat in texas during the summer strips you of all energy, and here he was averaging 50+ hrs a season when doing roids, and look at Barry, his best seasons were during his "alledged" roids use, and don't even get me started on clemens who after 40 become a complete new pitcher, what did he find the fountain of youth or a shot of roids? you be the judge.......

Jesus Rick. I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but lay off your Yankees. If we ever found out each player who cheated every fan would be disappointed with one of "our" guys. I'm sure there are Sox on that list.

And I thought ARod came off looking stupid in that apology and I didn't really believe him either, but what are you going to do as a Yankee fan? He's your 3rd baseman for the next 9 years. As a Yankee fan you have to just say, "Fuck it. A lot of guys did it too and I lost respect for him but I'll keep rooting for him because of the jersey he wears." And that's all. Cheer for him when he comes to the plate because it is what it is. I still root for Rodney Harrison and I never wanted him off the Pats after he was busted for HGH. I was disappointed but he's still one of my favorite players. I don't making any bullshit excuses for him - he cheated - but I don't treat him like he killed a nun either.

And I keep saying this...you're dead on regarding the Players Association. What they did was worse than what ARod did. As a Redsox fan I'm happy that clown is in NY. They won't win ANYTHING with that guy playing there. Mark it.

i'll bet more than 50% of the 'best' players used...even if it was just to try it I don't know if they used..but I'll bet at least 50% of the "best" players have at the very least been approached about using HGH or something similar