How did this battle between Howard and O&A start?

Howard put a gag order on O&A not letting them say his name on their show, and rightly so. They work for the same company, they have 2 different time slots, and it is "their" show, why go blabbing about Howie all the time? Howard don't like them because he considers them to be stealing material and doing the same shtick as he does. I agree with him. Even them attacking him is an old Howard bit. Howard had afternoons and attacked morning man Don Imus. Obscene & Crater-Face need to get a new act.


L.L.T.K.O.A.M.

What was the reason for the gag order? I am sure many who work for Howard's company have ripped off Howard's material and he hasn't placed a gag order on them. If Howard placed the order on O&A because they were bad-mouthing him, what prevoked them to do so? Or did they start on Howard because they wanted to rub shoulders with greatness?
Thanks for the help.

Originally posted by BBCarlin:
What was the reason for the gag order? I am sure many who work for Howard's company have ripped off Howard's material and he hasn't placed a gag order on them. If Howard placed the order on O&A because they were bad-mouthing him, what prevoked them to do so? Or did they start on Howard because they wanted to rub shoulders with greatness? Thanks for the help.

Stern's ego. Look at the Fall 2000 rating book. Stern got 7.6%, and O&A got 5.2% of the total audience. O&A's ratings have been steadily rising since they started, about 2 years ago. Because O&A are catching up to him in ratings, Stern decided that he shouldn't mention them on the air, for fear of giving them publicity. Since Stern wouldn't mention O&A on the air, he had no way to retailate O&A's mocking (Stern is not alone, O&A pick on everybody). What else could Stern do. He doesn't like being picked on. He doesn't want to give publicity to his possible competition. All this before re-signing his big contract. Stern made the management silence O&A because his ego could not take their poisonous humor.

Originally posted by kansei:
their poisonous humor.

:yb:>:bh:>:dc:>:sleep:>:doa:

Kansei=:dc:
come back
not too late:hw:

kansi-I cant get a read on u,are u another clone fan?

Originally posted by asteve5:
kansi-I cant get a read on u,are u another clone fan?

I like both the O&A show and the "pre-divorce" Stern show.

ok so i can say fuckoff then. so fuck off

HOWARD does not let others talk about him on their show, so "his" show will stay evergreen.I.E. not get boring.Like they were talking about Gary the retard today,with the afternoon guys using him on their show in Oregon.It takes away from what he created.To quote the killer.Beating a dead horse.

Originally posted by greatgorde:
HOWARD does not let others talk about him on their show, so "his" show will stay evergreen.It takes away from what he created.To quote the killer.Beating a dead horse.

You have to agree that with all of Stern's bellyaching about the FCC censoring him, he is a hypocrite for silencing others.

If you made something up would you want other people ripping you off?Using that same formula.I think all HOWARD wants from the other shows on cbs is to not talk about him or his show.Is that too much to ask?

Originally posted by greatgorde:
If you made something up would you want other people ripping you off?Using that same formula.I think all HOWARD wants from the other shows on cbs is to not talk about him or his show.Is that too much to ask?

Exactly, Howard's motive is based on their palgiarism, not him censoring.

Thank you.iou2001.I think you just rested this thread.Plagarism is what this is all about.

Originally posted by lou2001:
Exactly, Howard's motive is based on their palgiarism, not him censoring.

Let's get this straight. Stern didn't invent the radio talk show format. He didn't invent the "shock jock" format. Stern is only famous for popularizing the format. As for "palgiarism", it is not there. If you were objective, you'd see it.

Originally posted by kansei:
Let's get this straight. Stern didn't invent the radio talk show format. He didn't invent the "shock jock" format. Stern is only famous for popularizing the format. .

Can you list a few names , of these people who were doing H's type of radio before the early 80's??? , I know Imus was doing radio since the early 30's but you can't tell me H has used and is using the format of that lizard-face fuck...

Originally posted by kansei:
He didn't invent the "shock jock" format.

even though he's been called that, he isn't. he's done something no other radio personality has done. Before howard, DJ's just played lp's and said a few sentenses between the music. some did shtic and bits. but that was it.

Back in the 40's and maybe 50's (not totally sure of the timeframe, but I've been told this by someone who knows) Fred Allen did LIVE COMMERCIALS. This wasn't really done again until howard started it. And while you may not appreciate the importance of such a practice, sponsers do.

Howard not only knows how to make great radio, he knows how to make radio pay. No One has ever had such loyal listeners. No other show has listeners stay tuned SO LONG. And no other show generates so much money.

Stern is only famous for popularizing the format.

It's only popular NOW because Howard started it. None of these other guys invented what they do on the radio.

Howard is able to create a conversational atmophere during his entire 4/5 hr program. This is a first in radio history.

And while I am more familiar with the talk format in LA, NO ONE comes close to what Howard can achieve. Yeah, they all talk, but that don't mean I want to listen for hrs to these other folks. they just aren't as witty, compelling, or riviting as he is.

Originally posted by kali:
even though he's been called that, he isn't. he's done something no other radio personality has done. Before howard, DJ's just played lp's and said a few sentenses between the music. some did shtic and bits. but that was it.

Back in the 40's and maybe 50's (not totally sure of the timeframe, but I've been told this by someone who knows) Fred Allen did LIVE COMMERCIALS. This wasn't really done again until howard started it. And while you may not appreciate the importance of such a practice, sponsers do.

Howard not only knows how to make great radio, he knows how to make radio pay. No One has ever had such loyal listeners. No other show has listeners stay tuned SO LONG. And no other show generates so much money


Originally posted by kali:
It's only popular NOW because Howard started it. None of these other guys invented what they do on the radio. Howard is able to create a conversational atmophere during his entire 4/5 hr program. This is a first in radio history. And while I am more familiar with the talk format in LA, NO ONE comes close to what Howard can achieve. Yeah, they all talk, but that don't mean I want to listen for hrs to these other folks. they just aren't as witty, compelling, or riviting as he is.

Words spoken as if they were taken right from my own head , Well said Kali , :beer:
We have THE SHOW live once again in 5 hours and 10 minutos , Yeesshhh

Originally posted by Dr.Gonzo:
Words spoken as if they were taken right from my own head

your head may be a scary place :bl:
but it is familiar. :ly:

Well said Kali

coming from a Stern Scholar like yourself, I feel humbled.

Originally posted by kali:
your head may be a scary place
but it is familiar.

Hahaha , I worry myself sometimes:scardie:

Originally posted by kali:
coming from a Stern Scholar like yourself, I feel humbled.

That's what I'm majoring in

Originally posted by Dr.Gonzo:
Can you list a few names , of these people who were doing H's type of radio before the early 80's??? , I know Imus was doing radio since the early 30's but you can't tell me H has used and is using the format of that lizard-face fuck...

The grand forefather of "shock jock" radio is Orson Welles. Remember, "War of the Worlds" ??

Barry Gray is regarded as a "father of talk radio". He decided that playing records was not very exciting, and began inviting celebrity guests to the studio, and taking listener phonecalls. In 1945. (URL: http://www.radiotalk.org/history.html )

Another name that comes to mind is Steve Dahl. To quote the Radio and Internet Newsletter (URL: http://www.kurthanson.com/HTM-RAIN/NewsArchives/Apr-00/041800.htm)

Many observers credit Dahl with establishing a revolutionary, reality-based on-air style that set the tone for the entire FM talk format.

I just want to add to this that Steve Dahl was in full swing as early as 1979.

07/12/1979, "Disco Demolition Night" was staged by disk jockey Steve Dahl at Chicago's Comiskey Park between games of a baseball doubleheader, where a big pile of unwanted vinyl disco records got burned up. Led by the chant, "Disco Sucks!", most of the records weren't burned, but sailed through the stands DURING the game -- nearly inciting a riot. Some fans went wild and started their own fires and mini-riots. There was so much commotion that the ballplayers couldn't even finish the last game of the doubleheader; the White Sox forfeited the second game of a doubleheader to the Detroit Tigers. The next day, newspapers and one of the sponsoring DJ's, Steve Dahl, called the unruly crowd, "a bunch of animals." Duh! Disco died, at least for awhile, and the crowd probably thought they killed it.

Stern didn't solidify his show until he came to work for NBC in NYC in 1982. This was after he was fired by DC 101, in Washington, DC.

Originally posted by kansei:
I just want to add to this that Steve Dahl was in full swing as early as 1979. Stern didn't solidify his show until he came to work for NBC in NYC in 1982. This was after he was fired by DC 101, in Washington, DC.

listen, sweetie, i think you are missing the point.

Orson (who was way too brilliant and innovative to be labled mearly a 'shock jock', even in jest) saw the possibilies of radio and caused many a sensation. He did DRAMA, however. And had a sexy voice. I've heard some of his shows and I remember sitting alone in my room realizing that I was getting turned on by a dead guy. but i digress.

After the Great Orson and once TV invaded America, radio was an orphaned child. essentially ignored. It really was relegated to second class entertainment. Something you put on 'cause you didn't have a TV nearby.

Yeah, a whole series of DJ's came and went including the list you provided. But NONE of them CHANGED radio. It was still the same 'o thing.

Then Howard started in that New England State (forgot the name just now) and slowly but surely figured out how to create his SHOW. It didn't happen immediately because he wasn't just making some FORMULA (like everyone else).

Howard was making a TEAM. A group of people who would work well together. He immediately saw that Fred was perfect for this. It's to Howard's credit that he can see talent even when it's very well hidden.

He saw that with Robin he would be able to bounce conversation off her and get a rappore that he wanted and THAT DIDN'T EXIST ON RADIO. And conversation and having the audience feel like they are part of this ongoing 'soap opera' is what Howard innovated. He's not talking TO us, He's talking with us. We are there.

It did take a few years to "solidify" the show, but not because he didn't know what he was doing. But because he had to fight the suits, who are always fucking clueless. (He's still fighting Tom Cheap-dick).

Because of Howard, radio is now a big deal. Or rather Howard on radio is a big deal. This kind of buzz has not happened since Orson. That's decades.

Not one of the DJ's you mentioned EVER got people this excited about what is happening on a radio show. NOT FUCKING ONE.

ps: he wasn't fired from DC. that was what the suits wanted everyone to believe.

Originally posted by kali:
listen, sweetie, i think you are missing the point. Orson (who was way too brilliant and innovative to be labled mearly a 'shock jock', even in jest) saw the possibilies of radio and caused many a sensation. He did DRAMA, however.

I agree that Orson was brilliant. I also agree that he did was more drama than anything else. My point was that Orson was going for a gut reaction, much like Stern is today. I just want to remind you of a little piece of fictional drama on the Stern show called "the dead, stuffed daughter".

Yeah, a whole series of DJ's came and went including the list you provided. But NONE of them CHANGED radio.

According to the article I referenced, Barry Gray "invented" talk radio in 1945. Gray changed radio. Years before Stern was born. See my post above.

It didn't happen immediately because he wasn't just making some FORMULA (like everyone else). Howard was making a TEAM. A group of people who would work well together.

I defy anyone who listens to the Stern show to tell me there is no "formula" or ever-recurring "schtick". I'd like to mention a formulaic elements: talk of Stern's small penis, Stern's abuse of staff members; warranted or not, Stern's claims that he invented everything, recurring game show parodies, recurring scapegoats.

Because of Howard, radio is now a big deal. Or rather Howard on radio is a big deal. This kind of buzz has not happened since Orson. That's decades. Not one of the DJ's you mentioned EVER got people this excited about what is happening on a radio show. NOT FUCKING ONE.

Look at my previous post. Steve Dahl's "Disco Demolition Night" nearly started a riot, in 1979. That's excitment!! People were excited about Steve Dahl. Steve Dahl had buzz. That's one.

The term "shock jock" is so silly. It was made up by the news media to incite conservative old fucks. I still remember the shoddy "sweeps week" they would air on TV in the early 80's.

Growing up a kid in in Jersey during the early 70's, I'd listen to Imus. Looking back, it was a horrible radio, but almost all radio was horrible conservative, whitebread crap. About the only syndication going on was Casey Kasem's Top 40 on the weekends.

In '77, my family moved to Chicago's NW suburbs. The disco crap was all the rage and every radio was changing format to jump on the bandwagon. I was so sick of listening to the fuckin' theme to Star Wars and Saturday Night Fever!

In '78, Steve Dahl and Garry Meier were teamed up on WLUP-FM 98 and they made a huge impact on radio. By '79, they had a show on WGN called the Coho Breakfast Club.

I attended the Disco Demolition at the old Comisky Park and it WAS a riot. People hanging from one arm off the huge cathedal style openings three stories above the ground. Steve and Gary came out in an Army jeep towing behind a mountain of disco albums. The crowd was wild. It seemed like every freak and rocker in Chicagoland was there. The explosion tore out a huge divit in centerfield. The fans went nuts and exploded on the field. They began tearing up the pitcher's mound and batting cages.
Chicago police on horseback were released on the field and began chasing people. This happened during the middle of a double-header and the game was forfeited by the White Sox.

People continued to go wild out on the streets. I remember the cops had wagon loads of people under arrest. It was truly insane.

The first day back to high school, every kid in Chicagoland wore their black Loop t-shirt. It was spontaneous and not contrived in any way. It was amazing and weird seeing 2500 students (big school) all wearing that same black t-shirt.

Kansei, how long have you been a student of radio? Not to take away from Steve Dahl's contributions, but there is a difference between EXCITE and INCITE. If Steve Dahl had caused a small riot during his radio show,while he was in his booth, that would be one thing. It's all about Context, from my understanding, there was ALOT of ALCHOHOL being served at that game(Plus they were Tiger fans,and diso-haters). Have you ever watched one of those European soccer matches where one of those riots break out? It is usually down to LOTS of drunk people.( I have been at one,not fun,if you are sober).

If Steve Dahl had the power to conjure riots, all by his lonesome, he would be a household name, and a part of the Pop-Culture landscape. The last time I checked, he wasn't, although I am sure he's a good guy.
You mention the incident where Stern entertained a guy from California with his "stuffed daughter". Was he a fraud? Most listeners probably thought so, but Stern let him on, and I bet Howard thought he was a wacko too( remember Madonna's sister?). He let the situation play out. Good radio?,maybe, maybe not. As long as I can remember listening to the Stern show, there have been people trying to scam the show( Aaron from Pittsburgh, take a bow, also Sean from Brooklyn and lots of others) If you have proof that this was a paid stunt, let it be known.
You seem to do alot of research, do you work for Wnew? If you don't like the Stern show anymore, fine, if you find it formulaic, fine. I can understand disliking Stern's megalomania and narcissism, but if he wasn't that way, then there would have never been a radio show. I personally cannot discount the last 15 or so years of frequently sublime, and entertaining radio( especially if you are a Morning person). If you like another radio show now, fine, but keep things in perspective.( be objective, not subjective, don't buy the good guy vs. bad guy thing for a second)

Originally posted by Kang:
Kansei, how long have you been a student of radio? Not to take away from Steve Dahl's contributions, but there is a difference between EXCITE and INCITE.

This is true. I was just trying to illustrate that there was something more than a vacuum transmitted on the airways before Stern came along.

If Steve Dahl had the power to conjure riots, all by his lonesome, he would be a household name, and a part of the Pop-Culture landscape. The last time I checked, he wasn't, although I am sure he's a good guy.

Perhaps. Consider that the history books are written by the winners of wars.


You mention the incident where Stern entertained a guy from California with his "stuffed daughter". Was he a fraud?

I was just trying to illustrate, perhaps not very clearly, that Stern or his staff staged the whole "stuffed daughter" bit. It was written, produced, actors hired, and put on the air, very much like a drama program that is Orson Welles' "War of the worlds".


If you have proof that this was a paid stunt, let it be known. You seem to do alot of research, do you work for Wnew?

I don't have proof, but my bullshit detector kept going off while listening to the "stunt."

All the research I do can be found on the web. There is a bunch of stuff out there. And, no, I don't work for WNEW. I must be really bored...

If you don't like the Stern show anymore, fine, if you find it formulaic, fine. I can understand disliking Stern's megalomania and narcissism, but if he wasn't that way, then there would have never been a radio show.

For me, the Stern show was tainted when Opie and Anthony pointed a few things out that made Stern look like a big, fat hypocrite and a phony. O&A "lifted the curtain" and showed what's behind the great Stern machine. Stern show was never the same.

I personally cannot discount the last 15 or so years of frequently sublime, and entertaining radio( especially if you are a Morning person). If you like another radio show now, fine, but keep things in perspective.( be objective, not subjective, don't buy the good guy vs. bad guy thing for a second)

I agree wholeheartedly. I still like Stern, when he can get past his schtick and when he's not "protecting himself". That stuff detracts from the show.

I don't want to discount from 15 years of a great show. I feel that Stern has his place in history of radio. When he claims to be the only one that counts, it pisses me off. Stern contributed a great deal to talk radio. Others did, too. How about some acknowledgment??

I believe I was saying that the last innovative person on the radio before Howard was Orson. after that there was a long dry spell.

Originally posted by kansei:
According to the article I referenced, Barry Gray "invented" talk radio in 1945. Gray changed radio.

This was still during Radio's "hey day", before TV took over the counties attention. And I don't think Howard ever claimed to have really invented "talk" on radio so much as invented a WAY to talk.

I defy anyone who listens to the Stern show to tell me there is no "formula" or ever-recurring "schtick". I'd like to mention a formulaic elements: talk of Stern's small penis, Stern's abuse of staff members; warranted or not, Stern's claims that he invented everything, recurring game show parodies, recurring scapegoats.

I really don't know what the Fuck (pardon me) you mean by this. NO ONE before Howard talked about their penis. NO ONE. You may call his favorite topics "formulas", but a) he does have to do 5 hrs a day b) be funny c) wants to talk about things that strike his fancy.

I wouldn't call that "formula". I say he's in touch with his creativity. He knows what's funny. and he knows how to repeatedly make these topics funny on revisit.

I've heard other shows try to do something similar and they can't make these topics - or any other topics - funny. It may be a formula, but only Howard has the magic ingredients.

everyone else is busy making ca ca.

Steve Dahl's "Disco Demolition Night" nearly started a riot, in 1979. That's excitment

one nite's excitment in one town is very nice but does not even begin to compare to 20 years of innovation.

anyway, everybody knows people in Chicago are nuts. :rotato:

Originally posted by kansei:
...Stern or his staff staged the whole "stuffed daughter" bit. It was written, produced, actors hired, and put on the air, very much like a drama program that is Orson Welles' "War of the worlds".

I knew IMMEDIATELY that it was fake. so what. the point is that it was entertaining. So, what are you saying....if something is "fake", it's can't be enjoyed?

When are people going to understand that Howard's show is actually quite subtle? It contains social satire.

the Stern show was tainted when Opie and Anthony pointed a few things out that made Stern look like a big, fat hypocrite and a phony. O&A "lifted the curtain" and showed what's behind the great Stern machine.

well, if your previous posts are any indication of their point of view, i'd have to say they lack a large amount of logic.

We all know Howard does "bits" in the sense that many things are prepared. Yeah, AND. Isn't that what professional comedians do? Aren't we listening because we want to be entertained? Sure, alot of what Howard says is ad libed, and certain moments are prepared. I really don't get what the problem is.

...and when he's not "protecting himself". That stuff detracts from the show.

I'm not in NY so I haven't heard this. feel free to explain.

When he claims to be the only one that counts, it pisses me off.

one of the things that i respect about howard is his unrelenting ambition. how many people out there live up to their potential? NEWS FLASH!!! most people live pathetic lives contributing nothing, and never streching themselves.
no one can accuse howard of sitting on his ass and just letting life pass by! most people are lazy bums, who are would rather not work, not think, not take chances. I can't tell you how annoying I find this. How it just pisses me off!

Howard is a great role model. Have you listened when he gives gary biz and life advice? (he's doing his Ben Stern shtic for those who appreciate the subtlty), but the advise is right on the fucking money!

whenever howard does his "I'm the greatest thing on Radio/the world" rant, he's smiling too. He knows it's true (in some sense), and totally overblown (in another sense).

I think those O&A guys seem to have missed the joke. or maybe their listeners have.

I only hope I can come close to my creative potential. at least I know when to laugh

No way are O & A copycats of Stern. WOW, bikini softball, Voyer Bus, C word on NBC, butt plugs, I can go on & on. Stern gog the gag order put on them becase he was afraid of their increasing popularity. By the way Opie & Anthony are not allowed to go to mornings because Stern has a no competition clause in his contract. Tey work at different stations, but both are owned by CBS/Infinity

gog,tey....what the fuck?????

Originally posted by TimJ:
No way are O & A copycats of Stern. WOW, bikini softball, Voyer Bus, C word on NBC, butt plugs, I can go on & on. Stern gog the gag order put on them becase he was afraid of their increasing popularity. By the way Opie & Anthony are not allowed to go to mornings because Stern has a no competition clause in his contract. Tey work at different stations, but both are owned by CBS/Infinity

TimJ, you really aren't the best spokesperson for O&A. The C word on NBC? c'mon, you're joking right?(what's so interesting about that). If you're guys O&A weren't around, people would just guess that alot of this was Stern-show related. Bikini softball? I'm sure lots of people had fun, but it doesn't make good radio. You said you could list more and more, well go ahead, enlighten us. The voyeur bus incident was snoozefest radio until, the participants got arrested, most of us would like to get our friends and co-workers arrested and thrown into the clink for a couple of days(at least I would).
O&A are not allowed to go to mornings...., yes TimJ, do you understand business?, Howard and co have been with Mel K for about 15 years, it wouldn't make sense to have two shows battling it out for the same demo, for the SAME company. If you're guys want to take on the Stern show they should just jump ship and find another company.

Originally posted by R.Carl:
In '78, Steve Dahl and Garry Meier were teamed up on WLUP-FM 98 and they made a huge impact on radio. By '79, they had a show on WGN called the Coho Breakfast Club.

Great post!!

Originally posted by kali:
I believe I was saying that the last innovative person on the radio before Howard was Orson. after that there was a long dry spell.

I believe I disagreed with you.

I really don't know what the Fuck (pardon me) you mean by this. NO ONE before Howard talked about their penis. NO ONE. You may call his favorite topics "formulas", but a) he does have to do 5 hrs a day b) be funny c) wants to talk about things that strike his fancy. It may be a formula, but only Howard has the magic ingredients.

Penis point taken. When it comes to talking for 5 hours every day, it seems that Stern let himself get beaten down by the management, because he doesn't seem to enjoy the show as much as he used to. I remember listening to Stern basking in the glow of his own show. No longer is this the case. Now, I just hear him going through the motions. This is where the "formula" comes in.

Kansei=:dc:

Originally posted by kansei:
the Stern show was tainted when Opie and Anthony pointed a few things out that made Stern look like a big, fat hypocrite and a phony. O&A "lifted the curtain" and showed what's behind the great Stern machine.
Originally posted by kali:
well, if your previous posts are any indication of their point of view, i'd have to say they lack a large amount of logic.
We all know Howard does "bits" in the sense that many things are prepared.

My posts are of my point of view, and mine alone.

What I was trying to get across was, when I hear that Stern sues fan web sites, when I hear that Stern makes his management intervene and silence other jocks (not just O&A), when Stern claims everybody is ripping him off, it bothers me. It's schtick, I hear you, but it still bugs me.

When it comes to prepared bits, Stern should really care enough to hire some new writers. His current writers are horrible.


When are people going to understand that Howard's show is actually quite subtle? It contains social satire.

I don't get subtle stuff sometimes. Especially when it's as veiled as you claim it is.

whenever howard does his "I'm the greatest thing on Radio/the world" rant, he's smiling too. He knows it's true (in some sense), and totally overblown (in another sense). I think those O&A guys seem to have missed the joke. or maybe their listeners have.

I missed the joke, too. The trouble is, I can't seem to see Stern on my radio. I can only hear him. Smiling is great, but it doesn't work on the radio.

To conclude, when Stern is "protecting himself" by refusing to comment about his personal life, and the goings on, it detracts from the show. I can't see how, in clear conscience, Stern can turn around and ask the questions he refuses to answer of somebody else.

Originally posted by kansei:
I don't get subtle stuff sometimes. Especially when it's as veiled as you claim it is. I missed the joke, too.

:dc::dc::dc::dc:----- > :sleep:---> :doa:

The boob contest recently was a great. They had listners vote on the best boobs in NY and it made for great radio. When Jim Brewer(ex Sat Night Live) is on the show, its hilarious especially when they go into the growing up on Long Island talk which is what they talk about is 100% true and anyone that grew up on the Island can relate to & laugh their ass off about it. Anthony's impressions are great, Imus, Brokaw, OJ, Dice, Mad Dog, the QVC guy that sells the sport cards. Teen week was great. Last week when they had people eat disgusting things such as lamb brains, eyes and stuff off a fat woman and a 74 year old with a hemriod was sick and great radio, and this was a few days before the whole eating food off Cabbie bit. Yeah Stern & O & A are simnilar in some ways they are all from Long Island, love naked girls and lesbians, what guy doesn't, but to say they are copycats or immitators of Stern is dead wrong. The WOW promotion is great, Stern thinks is good otherwise he wouldn't have tried to take credit for it which was pathetic, since O & A did that before they came back to NY.
Who knows if they will leave Infinity when contracts are up, but syndication will happen. It took years for Stern to get big, Opie & Anthony have done in it a short period of time.

Another Great original O & A bit is "Guess Whats in my Pants?" In which they have girls call in & rub their phones down their & O & A have to geuss what they have down there.

Originally posted by kansei:
I don't get subtle stuff sometimes. Especially when it's as veiled as you claim it is.

subtle doesn't make it hard to find. i hear it VERY clearly. and I ain't no genius. and millions also get the joke.

I missed the joke, too. The trouble is, I can't seem to see Stern on my radio. I can only hear him. Smiling is great, but it doesn't work on the radio.

I didn't SEE him smile, I heard the words on the radio and understood the joke. This is 'theatre of the mind'. I heard the 'smile'.

are you sure you are qualified to listen to the radio? :bl:

when Stern is "protecting himself" by refusing to comment about his personal life,

you DO realize he is protecting his children? They are not public figures. They do not work on radio. They do not deserve to be the butt of jokes. Say what you like, but Howard has always been a good dad. And now that Alison is not his wife, she wants her privacy. and deserves it. he's not such a pig that he would disrespect her. I have NO problem with his resistence to answer personal questions at this time. He was completely forthcoming about his <u>feeling</u> concerning the separation and life after that. But he has drawn a line which can not include those who are innocent. this is NOT politics. Once again, Howard has been more than honest about these events. Just because he doesn't tell you when he fucks (or if) don't assume he's being coy.

I can't see how, in clear conscience, Stern can turn around and ask the questions he refuses to answer of somebody else.

hey, when has his show ever been "fair". have you actually been listening? All Howard has to be is entertaining. And he satisfies me just fine.

let me repeat that I've never heard O&A and am not interested in any comparisons, justifications, or ass-kissing. The whole idea just bores me. I so don't give a crap.

Yeah, does it annoy me that Tom Cheap-dick is sabotaging the show? That there's this stupid censureship (ONdre the Button) going on, not to mention the editing in Canada, Dallas and god knows where else. Wouldn't YOU be a bit demoralized with that kind of shoddy treatment if YOU had helped build up a company, created a successful sindication and made alot of people alot of money?

I'd be fucking pissed off!!!! I think it's one of the many journey's that Howard has taken us on. We are watching this as he's living it. I have a fairly good idea what Howard would like to do about this and I see no reason to jump the gun by revealing any of the solutions here. But when he goes there, I will continue to watch him. The man can make dirt fascinating!

Originally posted by TimJ:
Who knows if they will leave Infinity when contracts are up, but syndication will happen. It took years for Stern to get big, Opie & Anthony have done in it a short period of time.

please remember that Howard made syndication a finacially viable possiblity in radio. that's what took years: getting the fuckiing suits to understand the concept. Now that those assholes see money is possible, they'll let any shithead try it.

O & A were more succesful ratings wide fastern then Stern was thats my point. It took Stern longer then 2 years to be in the top 3 overall, and 1 in all the male demos.

TimJ, you really shouldn'nt be posting here. According to you're bio, you are what? 19? Anthony Cumia is a funny guy, a cynical bastard like myself, will admit that. But most of the stuff that you have listed is pretty much a variation of a theme that the Stern show has been doing for the last 15 or 20 years.

If it entertains you and makes you laugh,Great!. But please understand that alot of long-time Stern show fans, have already heard a variation of what you have heard, and really don't care. If Stern ever gets the rights to the channel 9 shows, you will understand the concept of "trainwreck television and trainwreck radio".


You point out O&A's ratings as opposed to the Stern show, The Stern show made it possible for you're guys, that's it ! That's the reason alot of us appreciate the Stern show alot more, because they put their necks on the line and took the hits, ie. FCC fines, death threats, Christian coalition boycotts, contempt from major media and the powers that be...etc. Anybody with a single iota of critical or analytical ability or skill, can deconstruct the O&A show within a week and be able to tell that it is a mutant bastard child of the Stern show.(Believe me, I can understand a certain degree of contempt for Howard, but he is very neurotic, like alot of us)
Do some research like you're fellow O&A fan Kansei. I can understand the appeal of O&A, the whole likeability factor, the "underdog" appeal. But I don't buy into it. Like I said do some research.(oh yeah I hate Robin Quivers).

Originally posted by kali:
please remember that Howard made syndication a finacially viable possiblity in radio. that's what took years: getting the fuckiing suits to understand the concept. Now that those assholes see money is possible, they'll let any shithead try it.

I hear you, but radio syndication existed a loooong time before Stern was born (example: Amos & Andy radio show in 1928, url: http://members.aol.com/jeff1070/amos.html ). Radio syndication had to be financially viable in order for it to surive between 1928 and when Stern syndicated his show. I agree that Stern made syndication ultra-profitable.

Now that I have read a lot of your posts, it seems that you subscribe to many things that Stern says without questioning them. Maybe this is something to think about??

Originally posted by kansei:
Now that I have read a lot of your posts, it seems that you subscribe to many things that Stern says without questioning them. Maybe this is something to think about??

No offense dude but I think you think WAY too much about this shit, really.

1 qu- WHY THE FUCK ARE U CLONE FANS HERE?
2 qu- If the clones are so good why are they in 3rd place in the afternoons?
3 qu-If the clones are so good then why aint u on there mb?
4 qu-If howard is so over why is he still in 1st place here in ny and why is he all over the USA and not to mention the e show in england?

Originally posted by Kang:
If Stern ever gets the rights to the channel 9 shows, you will understand the concept of "trainwreck television and trainwreck radio". You point out O&A's ratings as opposed to the Stern show, The Stern show made it possible for you're guys, that's it !

The channel 9 shows were great. Very entertaining. They lasted for only a short time. I wonder why Stern hasn't pursued other ways to continue putting on a similar type TV show.

I don't agree that Stern made anything possible for other people. Stern was successful at getting away with "blue" radio. It's the public that accepted the "blue" material. I remember liking "blue" material, porn and lesbians years before I even heard of Stern.

That's the reason alot of us appreciate the Stern show alot more, because they put their necks on the line and took the hits, ie. FCC fines, death threats, Christian coalition boycotts, contempt from major media and the powers that be...etc.

Stern is not the only radio personality that got fined by the FCC.

Anybody with a single iota of critical or analytical ability or skill, can deconstruct the O&A show within a week and be able to tell that it is a mutant bastard child of the Stern show.

I at least have one single iota of critical or analytical ability. Let me deconstruct the two shows for you:

Stern's show: single talking head show, aided by group of cohorts who mostly kiss the star's ass. Many celebrity guests. Show is scripted by writers and/or Stern.

O&A's show: two talking heads, one sets up jokes, the other hits them out of the park. There is a group of cohorts, but they are mostly not integrated into the show much. This is a listener feedback show. Feedback is provided via the Internet (instant feedback), and phone. Show regulars and others push the show in new directions using the feedback mechanisms. Few celebrity guests. Few comedians as guests. The show is not scripted, for the most part.

Both Stern and O&A use similar material, but the two shows tackle the material in two entirely different ways.

I can understand the appeal of O&A, the whole likeability factor, the "underdog" appeal. But I don't buy into it.

What don't you buy into?? It seems like a very unpretentious, realistic show to me.

Originally posted by asteve5:
1 qu- WHY THE FUCK ARE U CLONE FANS HERE? 2 qu- If the clones are so good why are they in 3rd place in the afternoons? 3 qu-If the clones are so good then why aint u on there mb? 4 qu-If howard is so over why is he still in 1st place here in ny and why is he all over the USA and not to mention the e show in england?

1. I'm a fan of both shows.
2. It's a new show. Was Stern #1 in NYC after two years on the air?
3. I am.
4. NYC is Stern's home market. He's been here for nearly 20 years. We're talking years of audience buliding. Besides, Stern gets no competition in his timeslot, mostly due to the fact Infinity owns a lot of the stations in NYC.

Stern's ratings aren't so great in other areas. He is in 6th place in Los Angeles, 6th in San Francisco, 3rd place in Columbus, OH, 2nd place in Orlando, 2nd in Albany, 2nd in Cleveland, 5th in Louisville, etc..

Originally posted by kansei:
He is in 6th place in Los Angeles, 6th in San Francisco, 3rd place in Columbus, OH, 2nd place in Orlando, 2nd in Albany, 2nd in Cleveland, 5th in Louisville, etc..

I have a few questions too.

1.What are O & A 's ratings in these cities?

2.Coke or Pepsi? They both hit the spot sometimes, and sometimes they don't.

3.Don't you ever get tired of this?

What the dillio?

Originally posted by kali:
I didn't SEE him smile, I heard the words on the radio and understood the joke. This is 'theatre of the mind'. I heard the 'smile'. are you sure you are qualified to listen to the radio?

I often wonder this myself.

you DO realize he is protecting his children? They are not public figures. They do not work on radio. They do not deserve to be the butt of jokes. Say what you like, but Howard has always been a good dad. And now that Alison is not his wife, she wants her privacy. and deserves it. he's not such a pig that he would disrespect her.

I remember Stern revealing that his wife had a miscarriage. This was obviously acceptable to Stern, since he put it on the radio. The reason I am mentioning this is to point out that Stern is a pig, and he does disrespect his (now ex) wife. It was great radio. Why did Stern suddenly become moral?

Just because he doesn't tell you when he fucks (or if) don't assume he's being coy. hey, when has his show ever been "fair". have you actually been listening?

The show lost something when Stern decided to put a damper on discussing his personal life. Why don't you watch Private Parts again, and see what the running theme is of how Stern describes his own radio show?

That there's this stupid censureship (ONdre the Button) going on, not to mention the editing in Canada, Dallas and god knows where else. Wouldn't YOU be a bit demoralized with that kind of shoddy treatment if YOU had helped build up a company, created a successful sindication and made alot of people alot of money? I'd be fucking pissed off!!!!

And, if you dealt with all this, and somebody also told you that you couldn't mention or discuss a public personality becuase of company politics, wouldn't you be just as pissed off, or more???? It's like having a show about politics, and not being allowed to mention George W.

Originally posted by Doc:
I have a few questions too. 1.What are O & A 's ratings in these cities? 2.Coke or Pepsi? They both hit the spot sometimes, and sometimes they don't. 3.Don't you ever get tired of this? What the dillio?

1. No ratings, they are not syndicated.
2. Diet Decaf Pepsi. Or Diet Decaf Coke.
3. Nope.

Originally posted by kansei:
1. No ratings, they are not syndicated. 2. Diet Decaf Pepsi. Or Diet Decaf Coke. 3. Nope.

Ok, a couple more..

1. Why aren't they syndicated?
2. Diet decaf Pepsi or diet decaf Coke?

Originally posted by Doc:
Ok, a couple more.. 1. Why aren't they syndicated? 2. Diet decaf Pepsi or diet decaf Coke?

1. It's a young show. It's important to realize that the show, in its current state, has only existed for about a year and a half. In Boston, and for about a year in NYC, O&A would play songs, and have scripted bits between songs. Virtually no guests. Some time before WNEW went to the all-talk (not sure how long before, maybe six months), O&A stopped playing songs, except for the two songs lead-in of the show. Also, they stopped scripting the show. They have more guests now.

To summarize, O&A are just getting started. It takes some time. They were syndicated for one day in Boston, a few weeks ago. The Boston station is supposed to run "worst of" O&A, but I'm not sure if it's happening.

2. Pepsi sometimes, Coke other times. Then, there's Diet Dr. Pepper. And Diet 7UP. And beer.

aSteve First O & A aren't clones. Second they are a fairly new show with ratings going up. 3rd Howard isn't #1 in all his markets. Fourth O & A will soon be syndicated. and Finally they have their own Message board & we do go there, infact the O & A messageboard has over 10,000 members combared to the Stern board with 3,000.

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Originally posted by TimJ:
aSteve First O & A aren't clones. Second they are a fairly new show with ratings going up. 3rd Howard isn't #1 in all his markets. Fourth O & A will soon be syndicated. and Finally they have their own Message board & we do go there, infact the O & A messageboard has over 10,000 members combared to the Stern board with 3,000.http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/net8/smileydies.gif
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Originally posted by kansei:
...but radio syndication existed a loooong time before Stern was born (example: Amos & Andy radio show in 1928,

Howard never claimed to be Marconie (sic) (that's a joke, BTW) or to have INVENTED syndication. I NEVER heard him say that. NEVER But I think It's obvious that that's an excitment (read: money) about syndication that happened AFTER he opened the doors for it.

He would go into a new market and wipe the competions ass and the audience would enjoy every moment of it. He'd visit the city (sometimes), have funerals, just all kinds of fun in general.

I agree that Stern made syndication ultra-profitable.

that's all I've been saying here. And that's all Howard has been saying as well. You make it seem like this is not any kind of achievement. If it's so damn easy, YOU do it.

Now that I have read a lot of your posts, it seems that you subscribe to many things that Stern says without questioning them.

I believe what I SEE, not what people say. One of my hero's is I. Asimov. A very logical person. I don't think I'm incapable of being rational.

I don't think Howard is some god. Just a very talented person who revitalized radio when it was nothing more than a boring alternative to TV.

Kali, I wasn't arguing with you. I was arguing with the others such as cabbie and asteve that seem to think Howard is a god and the whole world revolves around him. I know Howard was the first to take syndication to another level, and take the "shock jock" to new heights. O & A gave Howard a lot of credit and said if it wasn't for Howard they porbably wouldn't be where they are. My problem is with those that feel that O & A are Howard rip offs or imitators just because they both do similar radio in the fact that they are "shock jocks", anyone that listens to the shows will know they are different. Of course some of the things will be the same naked women and lesbians, but thats entertating radio and what guy doesn't love it. Howard may have been the first to get lesbians and naked wown, but that doesn't mean others can't do it.

Originally posted by TimJ:
if it wasn't for Howard they porbably wouldn't be where they are.

:beer::beer::beer::beer: :hw:

look at these asshole clone fans,oh howard is like no 6 in sf, 7 in la , 2nd in this and 3rd in this,bah blah blah! thats good numbers assholes!DO U KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO BE IN THE TOP 10 IN ONE CITY,DO UZ KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO GET IN THE TOP 10 IN 50 CITIS.u FUCKIN RETARDS AND WHAT THE HELL R UZ EVEN TALKIN ABOUT O&A ARENT EVEN IN DIFFRENT CITIS NOT BECAUSE THERE NEW BUT BECAUSE OF HOWARD THERE ARE STERN CLONES IN EVERY CITY SO THE OTHER CITIS DONT NEED O&A!

The point is if o&a are funny go listen to them i dont care but just dont come over hear and talk shit go to the o&a mb and talk shit i dont care!

Its simple as this-howard is funnier and he is 100000000 times better and it shows with his 3tv shows and one more in the making,his big contract and 50 city radio network!

p.s. the clones come and go-mancow,mark&brian,tom lekis more and more but the point is they all went away,who ever hears about them anymore?,no one thats who!

I would like to quickly point out (since I have other threads to visit) for those who don't know about the LA market:

50% of the LA population is hispanic, many of whom don't even speak English. That's why the Number one radio program is a Spanish speaking one (I forget the call letters and frankly don't much care).

For the remaining english speaking population, Howard does very nicely. You can't really expect people who have just escaped from the Mexican border to listen to Howard, now do you?

LA is really a 3rd world country. No kidding. When he was here in LA, Howard made a joke about how everyone there came up to his balls (Mexican's are VERY short). He wasn't kidding.

Kali all I can say is you go girl !!! I seem to see htis one thing in every Howard vs O&A who is top dog mess. All the O&A followers seem filled with venom and anger. This F you my dad is bigger then your dad school yard mind set. Which would lead me to believe that you are dealing with High School kids out to sound older and just cause a fuss. I am not saying the howard fans are better as we fire back with slurs and quips. But I am in Canada and I am still asking who are O&A?????????? What is it that they do that makes them famous???????? I have yet to read an O&A book or see a movie about O&A. We have two languages spoken here French and English and Howard does very well up hear. He makes headlines!!! O&A if killed in the most horrable of ways would not be mentioned on the news. So before all these fans come here and preach there god is better, I think they should at least be known by more then the North Eastern area of the states before they open their traps !!!!!!!!!

aSteve O & A aren't clones. Also starting in June with the new contraxts they will be syndicated. The syndication is because they are new, no one will get syndicated as soon as they start on the radio. It takes a few years, and O & A's time is coming very shortly. It took Howard a longer time then O & A to be in the top 3 & #1 in all male demos

Originally posted by GreyWolf:
...in every Howard vs O&A who is top dog mess. All the O&A followers seem filled with venom and anger......But I am in Canada and I am still asking who are O&A

yeah, I am completely baffled by all this yelling and screaming.

I wouldn't be surprised if the real reason Howard doesn't want O&A to talk about him on their show is simply because they should just concentrate on making their show interesting and stop using him as "material".

You should hear how things (on the station) are out in LA. the whole damn day is talk/talk/talk. and often guess who/what they are talking about. Yep! Howard. Now, I love Howard and all that but are these idiots (in LA) so incapable of having ideas that they can't come up with other topics? I guess not. When Howard was just out here it got completely rediculous. it was 24hrs of Howard. And I understand that it was a "news" thing, but still!!!

The problem is that they don't have Howard's wit or talent so it gets real boring real fast for them to repeat everything Howard has just said on his show. Howard just doesn't want things to get stale.

I've never heard O&A and I don't care what they do. anyone who wants to listen is fine by me. just stop yelling, a-ready.


let me address some old points:
Originally posted by k:
I remember Stern revealing that his wife had a miscarriage. This was obviously acceptable to Stern, since he put it on the radio. The reason I am mentioning this is to point out that Stern is a pig, and he does disrespect his (now ex) wife. It was great radio. Why did Stern suddenly become moral?

You do realize that people change? That happened almost 20 yrs ago, Howard was trying out a few radio ideas. and Alison really resented him doing that. Was it a "nice" thing to do? Probably not. I think it's damn funny and I'm glad he did it. It's the reason he is who he is. Sometimes in life you make hard choices. And some people get hurt. Too bad.

Just because he may have done things that hurt doesn't make him "immoral". unpleasant to live with, maybe, but that's it.


The show lost something when Stern decided to put a damper on discussing his personal life.

maybe, maybe not. what I like about Howard is that like everyone else, his life may change here and there and he reacts in kind. that's one reason the show isn't stale. he's going through a bad patch right now and has said so.

When he announced the separation, his comments were so heartfelt and real. How can ANYONE not see that it was great radio. and it wasn't shtick. if he's sad in any way and the audience senses that, that doesn't mean the show is "bad". it's real. being sad is a real emotion. and this is what makes Howard so contantly entertaining. he's let himself become part of everyone's family. we really care about what happens to the people on the show. it's one of the longest soap opera's in radio history.

I'll never feel this way about anyone else on radio.

Stern was ripping on O & A saying some nasty stuff as well as O & A are immitators (which if you listen to both shows which I have dome up to recently with Stern, with the exception of naked girls & lesbians the shows are different) . O & A were defending themselves & were also firing back. They were going at each other for awhile then O & A said something that really pissed Howard off ( I don't remember what it was, but I don't think it was Howards family situation). After that Howard went to the "higher ups" in Infinty & got the "gag order" placed. Its not like O & A's whole show as bashing Howard they usually spent 15-20 mins tops on it and went on. The thing with Howard now is he can still dish it out, but he can't take it.

How many years has Howard had to defend himself???? You may just realize one day that after so many years of dragging the same tired words out can get on one's nerves. He has faced so many clones and so many wana be Howard's that I myself would become board with the whole thing. My feeling on the gag order is that he just does not have it in him to smack one more set of pup's into place as he has been there and done that 100's of times now over his long long history. I have nothing against this O&A or Cabbie for that matter, I am sure there is talent there somewhere or there would be no O&A show. But the fact remains you are still doing an Apples and Oranges thing. Look back in 15 years and see if O&A made their mark. Now is not their time when Howard is gone and working in Film and TV then say they rule but not now!!!!!

Kali Rocks!( and she GETS THE JOKE!)

Greywolf I understand your point in Howard was tired of defending himself, but Howard was saying stuff before the gag order and after the gag order was placed about O & A, thats what I don't respect. If he doesn't want anyone to talk about it fine, but he made it only one sided where he can say something about O & A, but O & A can't say anything back. If your going to trash other people, why shouldn't they be allowed to say something back. If Howard just got the "gag order" on them and didn't say anything himself, I wouldn't like it, but I can deal with it. But, the fact is Howard got the "gag order" and continued to trash O & A. If he wants to trash them let them fire back, if he doesn't want them to say anything then he shouldn't either.

Originally posted by TimJ:
...the fact is Howard got the "gag order" and continued to trash O & A. If he wants to trash them let them fire back, if he doesn't want them to say anything then he shouldn't either.

It's possible I was asleep for three min while Howard "trashed" these persons, but I swear I don't ever recall hearing any tantrum from Howard about these two.

I vaguely remember a brief mention and that was it. I felt no strong emotion about it. I usually remember when Howard does a "trashing".

This is one of the things that really confuses me about this whole feud. It seems very one-sided to me. Remember, I'm not in NY, so I would only hear about THE EXISTANCE of A&O from Howard. I only knew about this fighting when I got on this board and saw all these odd threads.

So, if Howard has been doing any "trashing", how come I don't know about it?

Do you think that certain listeners of A&O are creating this buzz? And Howard has nothing to do with it?

ps: Kang - thanks for your support.

I was listening to Howard during this time so I know. He kept calling them imitators when they clearly aren't. He also has said they will never get big and will always suck (O & A's ratings have proven this wrong). This went on about a year ago when the whole "gag order" thing came out. Neither of them spent more then a few mins on each other before the whole gag order thing, and for a short time after Howard did the same. When Howard was bashing them you probably just thought he was complaing about so called "immitators" and didn't think much about it.

Look tim im not gonna post anymore in this fourm because im boared with it but i will say this-o&as contrax are up this summer rite if there so good,here ya go listen to this,they should go to another company and take on howard in the mornings but ya no what, there not gonna do that, because they know they would fall rite on there faces! thats all i got to say and ya know its the truth!

They are not going to leave the NY market, for one its the #1 market in the nation also they are from Long Island like Howard and they love it hear. To go to another station where else would they go LiteFm, PLJ, Z100, KTU,Jammin 105 don't think so. They wouldn't fit in on hot 97 WRKS or WBLS. As far as Q104 goes they are too conservative and old-fashioned to get O & A. If one of the other NY stations offer them a spot they will take it, format wise O & A won't fit at any other stations in NY except for WNEW & K-Rock obviously they aren't going to K-Rock so unless another station makes a format change it probably won't happen. It makes no sense for them to leave the biggest market in the country, just to get the mornings. No matter what happens they will get syndicated starting in June.

Originally posted by TimJ:
They are not going to leave the NY market, for one its the #1 market in the nation also they are from Long Island like Howard and they love it hear. To go to another station where else would they go LiteFm, PLJ, Z100, KTU,Jammin 105 don't think so. They wouldn't fit in on hot 97 WRKS or WBLS. As far as Q104 goes they are too conservative and old-fashioned to get O & A. If one of the other NY stations offer them a spot they will take it, format wise O & A won't fit at any other stations in NY except for WNEW & K-Rock obviously they aren't going to K-Rock so unless another station makes a format change it probably won't happen. It makes no sense for them to leave the biggest market in the country, just to get the mornings. No matter what happens they will get syndicated starting in June.

JUST WATCH THE XFL PRE-GAME SHOW AND SEE HOW MUCH THESE GUYS SUCK. THEIR LISTENERS ARE ALL A BUNCH OF NON-GETTING LAID FREAKS. SO BE IT. THEY ALL SUCK.

Originally posted by TimJ:
They are not going to leave the NY market, for one its the #1 market in the nation also they are from Long Island like Howard and they love it hear. To go to another station where else would they go LiteFm, PLJ, Z100, KTU,Jammin 105 don't think so. They wouldn't fit in on hot 97 WRKS or WBLS. As far as Q104 goes they are too conservative and old-fashioned to get O & A. If one of the other NY stations offer them a spot they will take it, format wise O & A won't fit at any other stations in NY except for WNEW & K-Rock obviously they aren't going to K-Rock so unless another station makes a format change it probably won't happen. It makes no sense for them to leave the biggest market in the country, just to get the mornings. No matter what happens they will get syndicated starting in June.

Listen , I don't know O&A , many people here don't , I'm not going to bash you or them cause , I' haven't heard their show , I'm tired of yelling about clones and crap , If you're a fan of Howard and THE SHOW , post about it here , but I assure you many people here don't care to read about a radio show they've never heard , or are not fans of..

Originally posted by kali:
I wouldn't be surprised if the real reason Howard doesn't want O&A to talk about him on their show is simply because they should just concentrate on making their show interesting and stop using him as "material".

Do you ever stop and think that it's not up to Stern to decide what other radio shows put on the air ?? Stern is a public person, and is fair game to be used as material. If O&A want to mention Stern every minute of the day, they should be able to. I fault Infinity's management for giving into Stern's gag order request.

O&A never made their show into a Stern shrine -- Stern's name would only come up every two weeks or so (while they were allowed to say Stern's name).

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Originally posted by kansei:
Do you ever stop and think that it's not up to Stern to decide what other radio shows put on the air ??

Having never heard O&A I have no idea what they actually say. I don't know if they just say his name, "STERN, STERN, STERN. etc" or bitch about how he's not giving them any free publicity, or if they try to start a radio war by doing that "we rule, he sucks.." crap. No idea at all!!!

All the possibilities seem utterly boring. I would never care to listen to a show that spent any time talking about how this ONE personality refused to engage them is public discourse.

Now, (in the past) when Howard has gone in a new market and done "battle" with his competition, it was always damn funny because Howard is a witty person. He really can interview dirt and make it interesting. But even Howard has tired of that bit and doesn't do it anymore.


If O&A want to mention Stern every minute of the day,

sure they can, just don't expect any listeners. unless they like being put to sleep.

I fault Infinity's management for giving into Stern's gag order request.

again, I have no idea about the details of what really happened. And i suspect NO ONE else does either. I'll bet there's stuff that went on that has not seen the light of day.

Basically, at this point we are really talking in a vacuum. I can't just assume that this so-called gag order is strickly from Stern. When it comes to Stern biz, don't forget his agent. he's always had alot to say about what goes on with Stern.

Since we can't know the inside story of everything that went on - and I seriously doubt that O&A are going to be a good source of the "TRUTH" here - this discussion has run it's course.

I know what happens here at the LA station, but since I do not reach conclusions with no facts and I don't listen to the NY station, I can't say what goes on there.

And all my statements have been from what I've heard on Howard's show and the LA station.

Here’s the low down on the gag order.

H and O&A work for the same company.

H and O&A do not compete for ratings …they are on at different times.

During H’s recent contract negotiations it was rumored that O&A would replace H.

O&A like other successful adult oriented hosts have built upon bits that H first created but continually heap scorn upon the creator of shock radio…Howard.

O&A were slow to reign some very inappropriate actions against H that were perpetrated by their fans.

H is the horse that pulls Infinities wagon,….btw H is against all day shock jock radio by his company because it dilutes his uniqueness.

……..so it all boils down to our radio God H, is more powerful that your radio God, O&A, ……. hence the gag order. He demanded it and Infinity made it so.

Don’t be side tracked by any false 1st amendment issues. That’s just the big lie.

O&A glommed on the H name for the quick route to ratings….. and it worked. It’s was just radio business as usual…. exception being both H and O&A work for the same company and are NOT competitors…. and H called Infinity on the carpet over it.

From a strictly radio standpoint this story will get real interesting the next few months. O&A’s contract is up in June and their in the cat bird seat as far as bargaining leverage is concerned. Why Infinity hasn’t syndicated them to Boston or Philly by now is a mystery.

I listen to them (via their “syndication underground folder…if you go there don’t F with them) and there’re not bad… not Stern quality for sure. If they were here in the afternoon I’d listen to them.

My main criticism is that IMHO they’re just poorly advised or they just plain don’t give a F***….there’s just no logical course of action at work there.... maybe it's WNEW's fault...I don't know.

Originally posted by kali:
I can't just assume that this so-called gag order is strickly from Stern. When it comes to Stern biz, don't forget his agent. he's always had alot to say about what goes on with Stern. Since we can't know the inside story of everything that went on - and I seriously doubt that O&A are going to be a good source of the "TRUTH" here - this discussion has run it's course.

I agree with you here. From what I could gather by listening to five shows on WNEW is that _all_ of the WNEW shows were banned from mentioning Stern. Very few people know what really happened. I will admit that I took what I heard on the Stern show and the five WNEW shows and drew my own conclusions.

Originally posted by slick:
O&A like other successful adult oriented hosts have built upon bits that H first created but continually heap scorn upon the creator of shock radio…Howard.

I just wanted to mention that O&A usually don't have mercy on anyone. Everybody gets treated the same on the O&A show. Why should Stern be any different. O&A have freely admitted on their show that Stern was their influence. However, if it's Stern's time in the barrel, it's Stern's time in the barrell. No exceptions.

O&A were slow to reign some very inappropriate actions against H that were perpetrated by their fans.

I would like to know what inappropriate actions were taken by the O&A listeners? Putting WOW stickers on Nobu ?? Prank phonecalls ?

btw H is against all day shock jock radio by his company because it dilutes his uniqueness.

No kidding!

so it all boils down to our radio God H, is more powerful that your radio God, O&A, ……. hence the gag order. He demanded it and Infinity made it so. Don’t be side tracked by any false 1st amendment issues. That’s just the big lie. O&A glommed on the H name for the quick route to ratings….. and it worked. It’s was just radio business as usual…. exception being both H and O&A work for the same company and are NOT competitors…. and H called Infinity on the carpet over it.

You're right.

From a strictly radio standpoint this story will get real interesting the next few months. O&A’s contract is up in June and their in the cat bird seat as far as bargaining leverage is concerned.

I agree that it will get interesting with the upcoming contract signing. O&A have said little about the contract, but they did mention that things will be different. How, it's anybody's guess.

Why Infinity hasn’t syndicated them to Boston or Philly by now is a mystery. I listen to them (via their “syndication underground folder…if you go there don’t F with them) and there’re not bad…

I think that the reason why O&A aren't syndicated yet has to do with the same factors as the gag order. Infinity already has two WNEW shows syndicated, The Sports Guys, and Ron & Fez. Both of these shows are not as good as the O&A show. As you said, it doesn't make sense.

not Stern quality for sure. If they were here in the afternoon I’d listen to them.

Quality is subjective. If you've been listening to Stern for many years, other talk shows will sound weird. I do like both shows, but I listen to O&A more.


My main criticism is that IMHO they’re just poorly advised or they just plain don’t give a F***….there’s just no logical course of action at work there.... maybe it's WNEW's fault...I don't know.

I'd say that O&A just don't give a f***. Food for thought: if you wanted to make a name for yourself, would you take on a weak opponent, or would you go for the biggest guy out there, and see if you can knock him out ??

Originally posted by kansei:
I just want to add to this that Steve Dahl was in full swing as early as 1979. Stern didn't solidify his show until he came to work for NBC in NYC in 1982. This was after he was fired by DC 101, in Washington, DC.
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Exactly, Steve and Garry Mier were doing this
in Chicago Since 79 its funny though How Howard can't take it now from the young guys
ripping him. When he was first on in Chicago he ripped Dahl a new asshole thats why i started to listen SD was to full of himself.
But Stern has never been #1 he doesn't even finish in the top 5 i bet its that way in a lot of markets.

The main thing i always wanted to find out is as far back as around 85 or 86 SD used to have Sam Kennison on and talk about how he never heard Howar's show but when i started to listen they had some of the exact bits such as homo room calling Iran so i suspect our fat ass here (SD) has been ripping Howard off all along because i would HATE to think it was vice versa???
PS can't sand fat ass since he split with his partner Steve did a bit once where he played his music (yes like jackkoff thinks he a musican) and ripped him for about 45 minutes i wish i could get a tape of this.

rambling blah blah

peace out

Steve & Garry were back togehter again several week's ago after about 14 year's.If these guy's make there reunion permanent I fear congress will pass a law catagorizing there show as an illegal drug because they are so WHACKED FUCKING HILARIOUS,there like heroin for your ear's,once you hear them your fucking ADDICTED!!!They don't do fucking bit's or have writer's.If XM or SIRIUS doesn't pick these guys' up I predict they'll be abducted by fucking alien's so they can laugh there ass off all week and save there smoke & beer's for the weekend's!

O&A made the gag order about themselves when Stern actually gagged anyone and everyone in the company trying to ride his coat tails. No one specifically.

Also...I am almost certain that Anthony was the guy that kept asking for a job after Stern gave him props for his Jacki impression. A week after he did his impression, Howard would ask Gary: "Is that guy still trying to get a job here?" or "Is that guy still sending you his resume?" and they would laugh.