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WOW, I think you missed a few talk shows. Well I guess Talk Radio is Riping off Stern too.....

Originally posted by F Jackie's SKULL:
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Don't get me wrong, I hate Imus, but to say he is a 'stern clone' is ridiculous. He's been doing this longer then EVEN howard.

I used to be a bigger fan of howard, but not so much anymore. I find the arguements O&A vs Howard to be entertaining, but you have to make some concessions to make it interesting.

1. O&A are not #7 drivetime. You can't even name 3 afternoon shows ahead of them, let alone 6. Their only real afternoon competition is Mike & the Mad Dog.

2. Stern did not invent radio, shock jock radio, or even half the bits he does on his show. Jocks have been doing this style since radio was invented. Did he take the genre farther then it had previously been? Yes. Is he a pioneer? no.
3. everyone who does shock radio aren't 'stern clones.' If you want to get technical you can call them and stern - imus clones. Oh wait it goes back even farther than that..well you get my point.
4. Stern's show has changed, dramatically over the past years. So what. shows change. time doesn't stand still. BUt howard doesn't do shock radio anymore. He does a celebrity interview/comedy show. The people that don't find him funny are the ones who are into his old style, and thats probably why the like O&A, they get the 'everyman' persona that howard no longer has.
5. Howard doesn't sit around listening to O&A to steal bits, and visa versa.
6. Comparing O&A's past to howard's saying that they wanted to be him their whole lives, and thats why they followed the exact same route to NYC is just dumb. Yeah they were born in LI on purpose to be just like howard.
7. Howard needs Jackie. Howard's show isn't as spontaneous as O&A's, or as it used to be, but with the E show and the size of his show, he doesn't have much of a choice, it has to be written. And Jackie was doing some pretty damn good writing. Not having Jackie is like not having robin or gary, yeah you can do it, but its not the same.
8. I know howard has a big ego, but he has to realize his show, and consequently his ratings, are falling off. Not a steep one, but a slow dropoff. If howard can realize this, he improve his show, and keep his throne longer, and leave on top.

So to sum up. What you are saying is that the O&A show is different from the Howard Stern Show which is different from the Imus show..So why do people always try to compare them? It's like comparing apples to oranges.

Which fruit is better? I quess it depends on ones individual taste. I believe I finally understand. Thank you.

Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that all these people "ripped off" Stern. Stern created the format. Other people use the format. Did Stern think that he would be the only person to use his "newly discovered" format? Did Stern think that nobody else would try to beat him at his own game?

What's the gripe?

I think his biggest gripe is with his own company who has hired and has promoted shows that are very similar in format to his thus helping to dilute the airwaves making his show alittle less special. And I think we see the result. A slight dip in his ratings.
The man knows the industry better than anyone.

THere was this memo floating around Infinity-on the exact same stationery as the 'Gag Order' that Opie and Anthony got-and it was addressed to all of the DJ's/Radio Personalities. This memo said 'BE MORE LIKE HOWARD!. If you tailor your show to be JUST LIKE HOWARD-Infinity will give you a spot on the new ALL-HOWARD ALL-THE-TIME format that we're going to start. You will also be syndicated into all of the markets HOWARD has already gone into if you'll just be MORE LIKE HOWARD.
Hey-Opie and Anthony are no fools. Just like they are not originals.

Originally posted by Doc:
I think his biggest gripe is with his own company who has hired and has promoted shows that are very similar in format to his thus helping to dilute the airwaves making his show alittle less special. And I think we see the result. A slight dip in his ratings. The man knows the industry better than anyone.

Life sucks. If Infinity didn't do it, somebody else would have. Just imagine how much money Infinity would be losing if they decided not to "dillute" Stern's show. Stern should quit if he has a problem with Infinity. Something tells me, though, that if he quits, it won't stop Infinity from putting on talk shows on the air.

If Stern wanted to make his show more special, he could work on the show a little harder, and complain less.

Originally posted by FUGLY:
THere was this memo floating around Infinity-on the exact same stationery as the 'Gag Order' that Opie and Anthony got-and it was addressed to all of the DJ's/Radio Personalities. This memo said 'BE MORE LIKE HOWARD!. If you tailor your show to be JUST LIKE HOWARD-Infinity will give you a spot on the new ALL-HOWARD ALL-THE-TIME format that we're going to start. You will also be syndicated into all of the markets HOWARD has already gone into if you'll just be MORE LIKE HOWARD. Hey-Opie and Anthony are no fools. Just like they are not originals.

Nice theory. So what?

Originally posted by Doc:
I think his biggest gripe is with his own company who has hired and has promoted shows that are very similar in format to his thus helping to dilute the airwaves making his show alittle less special. And I think we see the result. A slight dip in his ratings. The man knows the industry better than anyone.


Without a doubt, Howard knows whats going on. But thats the thing - Infinity is promoting a show that is what howard used to be - spontenous shock radio. Howard's show is celebrity interview, more white collar humor. More like imus than O&A (whoa whoa relax, i'm not saying he sucks as bad as imus, but the format is more similar to imus than to O&A).It appeals to a much older audience than O&A's sophmoric humor. Imus used to be more like the current O&A show, and the old howard, but Hosts (and humor) grows up. Yes there is overlap between the ages of O&A's audience and howard's, and thats where the tension is.

Originally posted by JohnSlack:
Without a doubt, Howard knows whats going on. But thats the thing - Infinity is promoting a show that is what howard used to be - spontenous shock radio. Howard's show is celebrity interview, more white collar humor. More like imus than O&A (whoa whoa relax, i'm not saying he sucks as bad as imus, but the format is more similar to imus than to O&A).It appeals to a much older audience than O&A's sophmoric humor. Imus used to be more like the current O&A show, and the old howard, but Hosts (and humor) grows up. Yes there is overlap between the ages of O&A's audience and howard's, and thats where the tension is.

Nice theory... so what? Howard still gave those 2 clones the basis for their show and they should pay royalties to him as much as Backstreet Boys should have to pay them to New Kids on the Block.

Originally posted by JohnSlack:
Without a doubt, Howard knows whats going on. But thats the thing - Infinity is promoting a show that is what howard used to be - spontenous shock radio. Howard's show is celebrity interview, more white collar humor. More like imus than O&A (whoa whoa relax, i'm not saying he sucks as bad as imus, but the format is more similar to imus than to O&A).It appeals to a much older audience than O&A's sophmoric humor. Imus used to be more like the current O&A show, and the old howard, but Hosts (and humor) grows up. Yes there is overlap between the ages of O&A's audience and howard's, and thats where the tension is.

Sorry, but Imus was never like Howard used to be, or how O&A try to be. Imus has always been into more of the political/grownup humor. Imus never did bits like Howard, and if you recall, Imus used to sit in on Howard's show and writing meetings to observe how great radio should be done.

Yes, Howard's format has changed somewhat, but if it didn't people would complain how he never does anything new. Personaly I think his show is still the best. To say it's strictly a celebrity interview/comedy show is ridiculous, unless you consider High Pitch Eric, Gary the retard, Hank, and the rest of the wack pack celebrities (excluding Beetlejuice because in my eyes he is a celebrity). To say he doesn't do shock radio is absurd. His contests alone speak for themselves!

Originally posted by BabyB:
Sorry, but Imus was never like Howard used to be, or how O&A try to be. Imus has always been into more of the political/grownup humor. Imus never did bits like Howard, and if you recall, Imus used to sit in on Howard's show and writing meetings to observe how great radio should be done. Yes, Howard's format has changed somewhat, but if it didn't people would complain how he never does anything new. Personaly I think his show is still the best. To say it's strictly a celebrity interview/comedy show is ridiculous, unless you consider High Pitch Eric, Gary the retard, Hank, and the rest of the wack pack celebrities (excluding Beetlejuice because in my eyes he is a celebrity). To say he doesn't do shock radio is absurd. His contests alone speak for themselves!

Lets be realistic. Howard went from Jerry Springer to Access Hollywood. You Illustrated my point exactly - Stern, Imus, and O&A do completely different shows within the same Genre. Listening to one, you would not confuse it with another. Are they similiar? yes, they all are so called shock radio. are they the same? no.

As far as howards wack pack, and his contests, yes they are 'shock radio' but much toned down (and on a side bar, much more homoerotic -too many penis contests for my liking) then he used to do.
I think the problem is howard has lost touch with the 12-30 year old males - what used to be his target audience. DO you really think some college kid cares about AJ Benza or a guy playing a piano with his penis? Or do they tune into O&A to hear teen lesbians? Yes, the humor is more low-brow, but thats what that demographic expects - just look at beer commericals.

PS - I knew howard had changed when I visited my parents to find my mother listening to Howard..

Originally posted by FUGLY:
Nice theory... so what? Howard still gave those 2 clones the basis for their show and they should pay royalties to him as much as Backstreet Boys should have to pay them to New Kids on the Block.

Name one other example where this actually happened? Just one TV or radio show that pays royalties to the "creator" of the format that a new show is using.

Originally posted by BabyB:
To say it's strictly a celebrity interview/comedy show is ridiculous, unless you consider High Pitch Eric, Gary the retard, Hank, and the rest of the wack pack celebrities (excluding Beetlejuice because in my eyes he is a celebrity). To say he doesn't do shock radio is absurd. His contests alone speak for themselves!

I listen, and I'm not shocked. There are some lame contests, few retarded / lardass guests, and the rest is a celebrity plug-fest. Sometimes, Stern will rant or pick on people, and it's funny. However, the "I invented everything" rant is getting old. So is the "Imus is a racist / Imus sucks" rant.

Originally posted by JohnSlack:
Lets be realistic. Howard went from Jerry Springer to Access Hollywood.

I agree.

Originally posted by kansei:
Name one other example where this actually happened? Just one TV or radio show that pays royalties to the "creator" of the format that a new show is using.

A SHOW CALLED BIG BROTHER! Want more?

Originally posted by FUGLY:
A SHOW CALLED BIG BROTHER! Want more?

You are using faulty reasoning. If Opie & Anthony changed their name to Howard Stern and Robin Quivers, and put on "The Howard Stern" show in the afternoons, your point would be valid. Otherwise, it's not.

OK-there's a show that was going to go on NBC called SPY TV and they had to make a ton of changes because Candid Camera was going to go after them. So now you can take this example and find your way of reasoning and saying that it's not the same.
And if you want my true point-all I'm into doing here is saying stuff so that you constantly respond and argue. It's a goof stupid-lighten up.

Originally posted by FUGLY:
OK-there's a show that was going to go on NBC called SPY TV and they had to make a ton of changes because Candid Camera was going to go after them. So now you can take this example and find your way of reasoning and saying that it's not the same. And if you want my true point-all I'm into doing here is saying stuff so that you constantly respond and argue. It's a goof stupid-lighten up.

If I'm to understand your point correctly, Spy TV made enough chaanges not to be sued by Candid Camera.

If Stern can prove the similarities between his show and the O&A show, I'm sure he would have taken O&A to court already.

I like arguing. Keep at it.

Excuse me while my head blows up!!!
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You like arguing? Then that shows even less purposein your life than I'd have imagined-and because you're MY little plaything-I'm hardly going to do what you want, or especially TELL me to do.

Originally posted by FUGLY:
You like arguing? Then that shows even less purposein your life than I'd have imagined-and because you're MY little plaything-I'm hardly going to do what you want, or especially TELL me to do.

I sense I may have hurt your ego. Worry not, all wounds heal in time.

An Opie and ANthony fan hurting my ego? Or your sad little attempt to make me say 'No you didn't'.. so that you can say 'Yes I did'...
Yeah-that's a lot of fun. You stick to your little #7 in the afternoon guys and I'll stick to the innovator, the originator with a hit movie, 2 #1 best sellers, great TV shows and the guy that paved the way for your imitators and now follow him into every market after he made it possible for them. WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW

Originally posted by asteve5:
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Originally posted by FUGLY:
An Opie and ANthony fan hurting my ego? Or your sad little attempt to make me say 'No you didn't'.. so that you can say 'Yes I did'... Yeah-that's a lot of fun. You stick to your little #7 in the afternoon guys and I'll stick to the innovator, the originator with a hit movie, 2 #1 best sellers, great TV shows and the guy that paved the way for your imitators and now follow him into every market after he made it possible for them. WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW

Now you're going heavy on the defensive. Relax, guy. Stick to the innovator, no matter how bad it gets. At least I have the guts to call it like it is.

Originally posted by kansei:
At least I have the guts to call it like it is.

Hey, we see things differently,that's all. Has nothing to do with guts.

Yes-you are VERY BRAVE Pansei... I mean Kansei...
It takes a very brave man to anonymously 'tell it like it is' over the internet...
I'd be much too fearful of what could happen, so I hide behind lies and going with the flow... I'm VERY afraid, and so is my fragile ego.

Originally posted by JohnSlack:
Lets be realistic. Howard went from Jerry Springer to Access Hollywood. You Illustrated my point exactly - Stern, Imus, and O&A do completely different shows within the same Genre. Listening to one, you would not confuse it with another. Are they similiar? yes, they all are so called shock radio. are they the same? no.

Name some shocking "Jerry Springer" type bits that Howard supposedly used to do, and doesn't do anymore, then name some outrageous bits that O&A do that are so wonderful and "wacky". Maybe it's not that Howard isn't shocking anymore, maybe it's that there are so many imitators on the radio that the "shock effect" has worn off. Let's face it, when one person is doing shock radio, it's exactly that...shock radio. When you have several people then picking up on the shock concept, it's no longer surprising...it's old news. This I'm sure is why Howard has a problem with his imitators, his work is no longer viewed as original because everyone is trying it. He also doesn't spend everyday talking about it, unlike his rip off artists who tend to constantly bash him. Why? Why do they bash him? Maybe if they just went in and did their jobs, there wouldn't be any gag orders. The only time you hear Howard rant and rave is when he's informed that these supposed "shock jocks" are bad mouthing him.

As far as Howard having too many celebrities on, I again disagree. He's always had celebrities on. The first show I ever listened to in 1989 was with Samantha Fox and Gilbert Gottried (sp). I've been hooked ever since. If you want to be realistic, O&A would have all these celebrities on too if they could. More celebs want to be on Howard's show because they know it's so widely listened to, and they are able to promote themselves to a large audience. If O&A ever become as successful I can guarantee they will be looking to book the big guests.

Originally posted by FUGLY:
Yes-you are VERY BRAVE Pansei... I mean Kansei... It takes a very brave man to anonymously 'tell it like it is' over the internet... I'd be much too fearful of what could happen, so I hide behind lies and going with the flow... I'm VERY afraid, and so is my fragile ego.

I can understand that you are sore for losing an argument. It's OK. Better luck next time.

One more thing: I wonder what kind of a parent would name their kid "FUGLY"? Or, is that not your real name???

Why don't you guys argue about something else for a change? We all know that's what it's all about. The thrill of arguing.

Kansei,I got an idea. Since none of us are allowed to post over at your board anymore how about you go over and pitch this idea for me...

Each message board put together a debate team and we have some contests? I'm sure Lord Anus and the rest of the O&A Army would be game..Game? HAHAHAHAHA Ya,maybe chicken.

Funny. I listen to Stern, and I'm not shocked. I listen to O&A, and I'm shocked by Jim Norton, "Iron Mike" bits, Earl bits, etc.

[quote]Let's face it, when one person is doing shock radio, it's exactly that...shock radio. When you have several people then picking up on the shock concept, it's no longer surprising...it's old news. This I'm sure is why Howard has a problem with his imitators, his work is no longer viewed as original because everyone is trying it.

This is life. Stern has some tough competition, and he is not willing to go all out and prove himself again and again. That's why he's bitching.


He also doesn't spend everyday talking about it, unlike his rip off artists who tend to constantly bash him. Why? Why do they bash him? Maybe if they just went in and did their jobs, there wouldn't be any gag orders. The only time you hear Howard rant and rave is when he's informed that these supposed "shock jocks" are bad mouthing him.

Why should Stern be immune from being bashed, when he bashes others constantly???

If you want to be realistic, O&A would have all these celebrities on too if they could. More celebs want to be on Howard's show because they know it's so widely listened to, and they are able to promote themselves to a large audience. If O&A ever become as successful I can guarantee they will be looking to book the big guests.

O&A refuse celebrity guests all the time, if the celebrities aren't cool enough to be on the show. One recent example is Rob Schneider. Stern will have anyone on the show, as evidenced by the Kelsey Grammer, who is a full-fledged idiot, and has nothing interesting to say. There is a difference.

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I don't remember Schneider bieng on the show. And when Kelsey Grammer is on the show-it's funny because they goof on the fact that he's an ugly old guy with a hot piece of ass wife... who happens to have a little bowel problem-which is ALWAYS funny.
But what's funnier than that is you saying in one thread that Howard doesn't have any competition. Then in this thread you say he has some 'tough competition'. Come on-make up your mind. At least SHILLJ picks an opinion and sticks with it. You're all over the place!
But you know what's even funnier than that? You saying that there are some celebrities that aren't cool enough for the Opie and Anthony show. That's a killer! Imagine... a person not being cool enough to go on a radio show where a guy uses the name 'Opie'!
I am now done with you until you make up your mind on a few points. You can continue to debate others on here-but I'm not wasting my time with a guy who changes his mind more than Ricky Martin in a gay bath-house.

Originally posted by FUGLY:
I don't remember Schneider bieng on the show. And when Kelsey Grammer is on the show-it's funny because they goof on the fact that he's an ugly old guy with a hot piece of ass wife...

My argument wasn't that Schneider was on Stern, my argument was that Schneider's people requested a spot on O&A, and O&A refused.

When it comes to Kelsey Grammer, I can see having him on the show once, and goofing on him, but twice?? Plus, I heard the interview, and it was more ass-kissing than goofing.


But what's funnier than that is you saying in one thread that Howard doesn't have any competition. Then in this thread you say he has some 'tough competition'.

What I said was: Stern doesn't have any competition in his timeslot. However, Stern has competition if he were to continue slacking off.

But you know what's even funnier than that? You saying that there are some celebrities that aren't cool enough for the Opie and Anthony show. That's a killer! Imagine... a person not being cool enough to go on a radio show where a guy uses the name 'Opie'!

Didn't they teach you not to judge people by their appearances??

I am now done with you until you make up your mind on a few points. You can continue to debate others on here-but I'm not wasting my time with a guy who changes his mind more than Ricky Martin in a gay bath-house.

Good riddance.

Originally posted by kansei:
What I said was: Stern doesn't have any competition in his timeslot. However, Stern has competition if he were to continue slacking off. Didn't they teach you not to judge people by their appearances?? Good riddance.

Originally posted by asteve5:
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