http://new.petitiononline.com/HS01/petition.html

Lets show them just how many people care about this.

Please sign!

(If we could get this stuck up top this would be great!)

I have a contact at sirius who is very interested in how this turns out.

Streamer? what's that

http://new.petitiononline.com/HS01/petition.html

Lets show them just how many people care about this.

Please sign!

(If we could get this stuck up top this would be great!)

I have a contact at sirius who is very interested in how this turns out.

Internet Explorer seems to be the only one that works for me.

So do I get some kind of prize for being the first to sign?

Yes u get a cookie! whats your address? :)

I was hoping this would stay in general or get mentioned somewhere that lots of people will see it, I'm afraid nobody ever goes into this sirius forum

I just signed, we need ALOT more signatures than we have now less than 15.

well i just put it up man :) give it 24 hours at least! :)

well i just put it up man :) give it 24 hours at least! :)

I hope it works, notice I said "we". http://www.sternfannetwork.com/forum/images/smilies/Animations/pray.gif

link does not work for me :(

j3ff, why the fuck are you giving out yousendit links on the Sirius Backstage website? Fucking asshole.

Now we know why Sirius won't stream Howard. This kind of piracy of copyrighted material is the answer: Loss of revenue. Our subscriptions will be paying for those who listen for free. Eventually, they'll raise the monthly fees of those of us who pay to compensate for lost revenue from theft. End of story. Period.

Now we know why Sirius won't stream Howard. This kind of piracy of copyrighted material is the answer: Loss of revenue. Our subscriptions will be paying for those who listen for free. Eventually, they'll raise the monthly fees of those of us who pay to compensate for lost revenue from theft. End of story. Period.

There you have it. Confirmation from a Sirius employee that Howard will not be streamed for fear of piracy.

This is an idiotic argument and we expect better logic. The pirated material you refer to as an example was never streamed via the internet, and yet has been pirated. How then does not streaming prevent piracy?

j3ff, why the fuck are you giving out yousendit links on the Sirius Backstage website? Fucking asshole.

http://www.siriusbackstage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=290839#290839

Dont get all pissy - They dont know where it came from, if anything you're just making it more out there by posting it here dickus.

Now to answer your question, I got a bunch of pm's where people said "yea right it's being taped right now, people dont do that"

So instead of posting up full show links, I figured it'd be better to post up one of the tissue time, is that ok with you ya fuckwad.

Now we know why Sirius won't stream Howard. This kind of piracy of copyrighted material is the answer: Loss of revenue. Our subscriptions will be paying for those who listen for free. Eventually, they'll raise the monthly fees of those of us who pay to compensate for lost revenue from theft. End of story. Period. \

WHAT THEY DONT SEEM TO GET is that if they DONT stream it.......THERE WILL BE MORE PIRACY.......

The audiance is going to break down into three groups.

1) people who will pay for sirius weather it streams or doesnt stream. (Me)

2) people who will pay ONLY if they can get it on their computer at work and home (People who have apartments whos windows dont face the right way, people who live in places no signal is available, there are LOTS of these people)

3) people who wont pay and will illegaly download it either way.

So what do you want, 2 out of the three groups or 1 out of the three groups.

Some really stupid logic going on at sirius.

Obviously it's not "end of story period" You dont know everything now do ya.

There you have it. Confirmation from a Sirius employee that Howard will not be streamed for fear of piracy.

This is an idiotic argument and we expect better logic. The pirated material you refer to as an example was never streamed via the internet, and yet has been pirated. How then does not streaming prevent piracy?

At least there is ONE other person who understands this.

There you have it. Confirmation from a Sirius employee that Howard will not be streamed for fear of piracy.

This is an idiotic argument and we expect better logic. The pirated material you refer to as an example was never streamed via the internet, and yet has been pirated. How then does not streaming prevent piracy?

I guess Boobbox edited his post becuase you "outed" him.

hehe.

Dude, it was fucking obvious you were vegetative matter.

SIRIUS is doing some SERIOUS deceiving on this.

There you have it. Confirmation from a Sirius employee that Howard will not be streamed for fear of piracy.

This is an idiotic argument and we expect better logic. The pirated material you refer to as an example was never streamed via the internet, and yet has been pirated. How then does not streaming prevent piracy?

Hey Mr. Dummass, or is it DumbAss,

If you had more than a 3rd grade education, you'd know that I don't work for Sirius. I'm entitled to have an opinion just like you, you fucking retard. So go back to fucking that whore you call a mother. Oh my! I can't believe I've said that, my employer Sirius will now fire me. ROTFLMAO, ASSHOLE!! You lonely bastard, I bet you couldn't get a woman if you're life depended on it. Loser!

You're a fucking retard asshole who only respects opinions if they agree with yours, you stupid little bitch!

You are a plant.


You words are totally scripted when you crow about how wonderful things are.

The difference in syntax and grammar whne you use you own words is amazing. As if you have severe mental retardation when you post your own words.

PLANT.

Boobbox, when was the last time you actually posted in a real Stern forum besides this one shilling radios?

Phoney fucking plant.

I know who the other ones are as well.

Bring it on, and I will pull your stamens out, you chlorophyl lovers.

That goes for you too DrNoDoze. All you do is bitch about Sirius and accuse anyone who's enthusiastic about Sirius with being a plant. You're XM bitch who's pissed at Sirius. Admit it asshole! You don't know shit. The only plant you know is the one you stick up your ass every night when buttfuck yourself. You spew ignorant nonsense about Sirius radios all day on this forum cause you don't have a fucking life. Get one and join the rest of the human race, jerkoff.

Dont get all pissy - They dont know where it came from, if anything you're just making it more out there by posting it here dickus.

Now to answer your question, I got a bunch of pm's where people said "yea right it's being taped right now, people dont do that"

So instead of posting up full show links, I figured it'd be better to post up one of the tissue time, is that ok with you ya fuckwad.

That is a real fucking stupid excuse. So you begged for the link to show to Sirius. Great wisdom. and no it not ok with me, fucking tool.

I guess I'm really lucky that even when things arent ok with you, they still happen...

Also - if you were smarter than you are - you'd see in that thread there's a bunch of guys saying that piracy will occur if it is streamed over the net. Well by posting that link I proved that it doesnt need to be streamed over the net.

Now you may continue crying.

Not the break up the flow of this thread but I just signed the petition. You may all go back to your regularly scheduled flaming. :D :cool:

I'm entitled to have an opinion just like you, you fucking retard.

If you are so proud of your opinion, why did you delete it? In any case, I quoted it, so it is still here for all to see.

Now watch as this retard points out your logical fallacies. Here is the essence of your argument:

Sirius content that was not streamed on the internet has been pirated. Therefore, streaming leads to piracy.

BTW, you've got a sweet job getting to post on the internet all day.

Damn boombox, if u work for them, why dont u tell them what a dumbass mistake they are making?

Consider it done. I won't be able to listen at work unless he streams online. Sirius either needs to stream online or install a WHOLE bunch of ground repeaters across the nation in the next 45 days.

i streamed sirius last night. thats is what i and alot of other people are going to do. i just am going to add another receiver for 6.95 a month and keep it at home.

Could we stick this up top ? :) Just for a lil while?

I think Howard might have dropped a big hint about it on today's show. He was talking about the Canada situation and was about to say he had a way around it, but stopped himself. Maybe something tonight on Letterman.

http://new.petitiononline.com/HS01/petition.html

Lets show them just how many people care about this.

Please sign!

(If we could get this stuck up top this would be great!)

I have a contact at sirius who is very interested in how this turns out.

j3ff...the banner I made for you is animated...I just realized it may not have posted that way..I couldn't find the banner thread....download it from here instead:

http://s55.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1KJ3LAMI0ZOXA1OAZ6YTAEU9E1

Sorry about that, dude...

thanks man! u rock!

Hey Mutt - any chance of getting this stuck up top? :)

signed it, thanks Jeff, great job

Sirius isn't going to take this petition seriously.


http://arc.0daymeme.com/13/sternjpg.13HJ8HOs0B82R2JxUjHLLy.full.jpg

i signed.. hope it happenes

Sirius isn't going to take this petition seriously.


http://arc.0daymeme.com/13/sternjpg.13HJ8HOs0B82R2JxUjHLLy.full.jpg
LoL I talked to the one who needs to see it, he doesnt care about spelling (as I spelled SATELLITE wrong).....he cares about total # of signatures.

So I EMPLORE YOU GUYS AND GIRLS, PASS OUT THE LINK IN EMAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm unimpressed with Sirius so far. Had it for a couple weeks and I've got the same gripe about online content. But honestly, do you really think this petition is going to make a difference? This isn't a rhetorical question, I'm really asking...

Without proper online content, I can only receive the Sirius signal randomly in my car. Go into an open parking deck and no more radio. Go through a dead spot and no more radio. Sit in traffic and big truck blocks your way and no more radio. So online content is absolutely essential, particularly for the original talk channels since that is the only reason to have satellite radio. All other music channels can be heard on free radio, via other web sites, or via CDs/MP3 players.

After I activated the product, I learned to my surprise that half the channels, including Howard, aren't online. I wrote Sirius about this and they gave me the same bullshit rationale we've all been told already.

Honestly though, don't you think that if Howard or Mel Karmazin were really interested in distributing the show to all it's subscribers, even those in homes/offices where they can't get signal, they would have given us the online content or at least would be telling us it's in the works?

It seems that we've been screwed. Howard hasn't addressed it. Mel hasn't addressed it. Sirius hasn't addressed it and, I'm sorry, but I'm very doubtful that a petition will make any difference.

Like everyone here I also think it's a horrible business decision, anti-consumer, and certainly anti-Howard-Fan, but I'm afraid your wasting your time.

I have a contact at sirius who is watching the poll.... I'm afraid to say that at this point it wont make a difference, because of such low numbers.

If we got 1000's of signatures, he (the contact I have) would probably bring it up in a few meetings.....however he told me that if we do not get many sigs, it will be pointless.


So please.......... email the link, post the link, get it out there......I've been putting it everywhere I can think of, even non stern related boards. http://www.SternFanNetwork.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif

J3ff,

I'm glad you have a contact at Sirius but you need to tell him/her to stop being a politics-playing pussy and bring it up anyway :D . You stay competitive by thinking ahead, not reacting. Sirius should have been working on streaming their *entire* content for the last couple years.

The fact is that satellite technology is outdated and filled with huge costs and problems. The Internet has made receiving high-quality audio much cheaper and available to a wide-range of consumers - much more so than satellite could ever hope for.

I don't know who Sirius' Director of Online Content (or whatever the title) is, but they need to be fired. Their current online offerings are anti-subscriber, academic, and just plain embarrassing. I don't care how good the content is on Sirius, if people can't listen to it when they've paid for it, they'll unsubscribe so they need to be seeing that online content is paramount to growing and sustaining subscription revenue.

Your contact should be bringing these points up without having to have a petition in his hands telling him this. Hell, he might even get a promotion for it.

J3ff,

I'm glad you have a contact at Sirius but you need to tell him/her to stop being a politics-playing pussy and bring it up anyway :D . You stay competitive by thinking ahead, not reacting. Sirius should have been working on streaming their *entire* content for the last couple years.

The fact is that satellite technology is outdated and filled with huge costs and problems. The Internet has made receiving high-quality audio much cheaper and available to a wide-range of consumers - much more so than satellite could ever hope for.

I don't know who Sirius' Director of Online Content (or whatever the title) is, but they need to be fired. Their current online offerings are anti-subscriber, academic, and just plain embarrassing. I don't care how good the content is on Sirius, if people can't listen to it when they've paid for it, they'll unsubscribe so they need to be seeing that online content is paramount to growing and sustaining subscription revenue.

Your contact should be bringing these points up without having to have a petition in his hands telling him this. Hell, he might even get a promotion for it.

But Sirius won't lock horns with Howard's lawyers if they think they can get away with it, without losing subs.

Subscriber complaints (and lots of them) are the only thing that will bear weight.

But Sirius won't lock horns with Howard's lawyers if they think they can get away with it, without losing subs.

Subscriber complaints (and lots of them) are the only thing that will bear weight.

I'm not sure what the legal rationale would be to keep Howard (or any other Sirius show) from being online. The subscribers are, in fact, paying for the show and they cannot receive it under reasonable circumstances. This is not disclosed. I don't remember any Sirius ad telling us that Howard isn't really going to be available except under the most perfect of circumstances.

Despite whatever alledged contractual agreements were made, providing online content benefits both Sirius and Howard in terms of increased subscribership, exposure etc so it's a win-win situation for both parties. Hence there would be no reason not to revisit those terms.

I would submit that Sirius/Howard will actually end up killing themselves by not providing online content.

I would suspect that the majority of Howard's listeners listen at work. The one spot where everybody has a computer and few can get a signal. If Howard's listeners can't listen, they'll leave. If they leave, Howard won't be able to get decent "Hollywood" guests. Those guests come on his show primarily to promote themselves. Granted, the guests are only part of the show, but come 'on there are only so many lesbian-oriented bits you can do before it becomes boring. If Howard's show only reaches a few thousand listener's no PR person is going to send the guest to Howard's show anymore. Thus, making the show worse. Thus, making more subscribers leave. And so on and so forth until it's just a failure.

I could be wrong, but it seems that providing all the content online:
a) Completely benefits, in a very real monetary way, both Sirius and Howard.
b) Will make existing subscribers happy, and keep them.
c) Improve the show over all.
d) Open Sirius up to new revenue opportunities.
e) Prime Sirius for potentially offering video services too when the Internet is ready for it.

The only possible argument could be potential for non-subscribers getting the show for free. That is easily solved though by not allowing a subscriber to listen online on more than one computer at a time. It's quite simple to implement. As far as recording it, that's just as likely with or without online content so it's a moot point.

I'm resigned to not being able to hear Howard 100 while at work. I'm also very very sad.

I find it quite disturbing that in this day and age of customer relationship management, that the brass at Sirius are not listening. The reception of the radios is poor at best, worse than most cell phones. I can imagine a day when a listener will be fired up enough where they're listening to a titilating bit and get stuck in traffic under a bridge...watch, someone is going to go into a rage and try to push the car in front of them!!! If at least there was a web stream, you could catch the replay. Many people in offices do not have access to windows and for that matter, plenty of apartments don't have windows or at least windows that have a proper view to receive a signal.

The canned response of not having agreements with their talk/sports/entertainments hosts is just total BS. XM doesn't seem to have that issue. I think they're just being cheap on the bandwidth and additional maintenance it would require.

I signed the petition but as was pointed out above, less than a couple hundred won't be making an impact. I also emailed Sirius customer service AGAIN so the only thing that MAY work is to keep hounding them.

It's about the customer, stupid. It costs sooo much (subscriber acquisition costs) for new subscribers and is cheaper to retain old ones and I'm up for renewal in January. Do the right thing, Sirius...

^^^

I subscribe, but I still want to stream Howard. What petition can I sign???

just sign it anyway :)

It's not a copyright issue at all. It is a contractual issue. What the reason is is unknown. Here's what I got from a Sirius employee when I emailed my concern:

Original message:

Why doesn't SIRIUS offer Howard 100 online? I purchased the system to listen to his show when it airs on Jan. 9. I work in an office which would be impossible to place an antanna outside to get reception, online would be the best alternative. Please answer this for me because I feel like I'm getting ripped off. Thanks for taking time to read this.

Response:

Dear D....,

That's a great question! Thank you for taking the time to contact us about the availability of Howard Stern via the SIRIUS Player. We're as excited as you are to be adding Howard Stern to our programming lineup! At this time, we have not yet been informed if his programming will be made available online. As all Stern fans know, what Howard wants, Howard gets! At this time, the decision regarding the availability of this programming online is in his hands.

We want to be certain that we keep all of Howard's devoted listeners informed. Please feel free to check our website often. We will be certain to provide you with all of the most up-to-date information as soon as possible.

All of our music programming is available online, however, only SIRIUS OutQ // 106 and select talk programs can also be accessed through our online SIRIUS Player. These limitations are due to contractual obligations with our other non-music partners. On our web site, we can only provide samples of the majority of our our news, sports, and entertainment channels at this time.

We are committed to providing you with the best in customer support. If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact SIRIUS Customer Care anytime. For your convenience, we are available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week at:

1-888-539-SIRIUS (7474)

As well as by email at:

www.sirius.com/customercare

Sincerely,

Erica
SIRIUS Customer Care

This sucks for people who listened to the show and a remark was made that Sirius is great because you can listen online and that was confimed by Howard when a caller mentioned it. I remember this because I did not have my system yet and that was a big seller to me because I work in an office where I would not be able to pick up the signal from Sirius.

> These limitations are due to contractual obligations with our
> other non-music partners.

Does anyone know specifically what that line means?

> These limitations are due to contractual obligations with our
> other non-music partners.

Does anyone know specifically what that line means?

I'd say, they're trying to say there are other talk/news/non-music/etc talent in whose contract there are "no streamng" clauses; hence, conflicts.

Shamela?

The petition letter is too restrictive in that it says "I will not buy Sirius unless streamed online." Many people already have a subscription, but also want it streamed online. The only concern is that the petition will be viewed as an extremist crackpot view, or representing only young hackers, and be dismissed. That said, it's a worthy cause, I agree and hope this gets Sirius' attention.

Why hasn't this been stickied? :dontknow:

I really need to get it through the computer

If this happens I'll be a very happy boy. I'm sure the second they do jeff at Siriusbackstage.com and Mutt here at SFN will start posting like woah

The petition letter is too restrictive in that it says "I will not buy Sirius unless streamed online." Many people already have a subscription, but also want it streamed online. The only concern is that the petition will be viewed as an extremist crackpot view, or representing only young hackers, and be dismissed. That said, it's a worthy cause, I agree and hope this gets Sirius' attention.

They only want to know who wont be buying if there's no stream.......its ok if you will still buy it, just don't sign it.

At this point, I think our best hope is for callers to just start bitching directly to Howard on air and hope that he just hears our pain about not being able to listen while at work. The pain is even worse now that Sirius has clamped down on file sharing of their shows in this forum. It's really tough to listen to their content when I can't be in my truck 24 hours a day.

Did anybody catch the "Sirius for Dummies" segment on Howard 100 yesterday?

The point of the segment was to allow callers to ask Sirius "high-ups" questions directly about setting up the device, how-to stuff etc.

Not really sure how they expected people who haven't set up their device yet to hear the show to get the answer but that's another topic...

About 45 minutes into the show a caller called in and said they called primarily to ask about streaming the Howard Stern show online, but that he had a few other questions first.

He asked his first questions (regarding something about his suction cup mount not working in cold weather), then they ENDED THE CALL.

None of the callers, except this one, mentioned this issue. And the one that did was cut off.

Maybe I'm too cynical, but it seems that the calls were screened and that they have no intention of answering the biggest question on everybody's mind (at least on the Howard 100 channel).

I don't get it. As loyal fans we're being throwing under the bus IMO. We're being ignored or given non-answers. Howard won't address the issue at all. Sirius says it's Howard's decision. It's just shameful and poor business.

I have signed the petition but won't hold my breath on listening online. If Sirius is syaing its up to Howard why we don't we start emailing or send a petition to the man himself. He might not know it but there are fans throughout the world. I am ex-pat living in England. I keep up with the show by friends taping it and sending it to me and so I'm always at least two weeks behind. I was overjoyed when I thought I could listen online to find out its not going to be available. I know he has a fan in Australia. No point in me buying a radio while home for Christmas because Sirius is oly available in the US and Canada. I would have been more than happy to pay to listen online, but seems I will have to buy a radio for my friend to continue to listen and that is she can get the signal.

I see there are now 224 signatures on the petition. How many do we need for Sirius to actually consider this?

We really need to keep this post alive. Hey Shuli, what ever happen to looking into this?

How many do we need for Sirius to actually consider this?


Definitely more than 224 signatures. We need tens of thousands. This petition needs to get posted all over the internet.


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We also need guys from this board like Mutt, Joey Boots, Shuli, Reverend Bob Levy, Sal, or High Pitch Eric to bring the issue to Howard's attention. He needs to know that he's gonna lose alot of potential listeners because there's no online streaming of his show. Which ironically will encourage piracy of his show.

I know I'm gonna be forced to wait everyday for somebody to post it on the net for me to be able to listen.:tears:

Just signed it. Its over 300 now

So as of right now we have 300 sigs...

Which totals about 46,000 $ that sirius wont get per year.

That they could if they'd stream it online.

people PLEASE SEND THIS LINK TO YOUR FRIENDS (Find it on page 1)

Shuli was supposed to look into why it isn't streamed ... he said soemthing to the effect that it is more than what it appears ... something like that. WHAY HAVEN'T HOWARD 100 NEWS PICKED UP ON THIS SHIT.
http://www.SternFanNetwork.com/forum/images/smilies/Characters/SpiningDemon.gif

I bought Sirius not only because of Howard, but also the possibility to listening to Raw Dog & other talk related programs while at work or sitting in my apartment. To be honest, I was pretty miffed to learn I can only listen to the music stations online. What will it take to get Sirius to understand that this is a hurdle?

I'm #314. Every little bit helps.

Michael

As God as my witness, I will try to keep this thread on top so more people can look at it and sign the petition.

As God as my witness, I will try to keep this thread on top so more people can look at it and sign the petition.

Just fix it for us please....we know you're really HIM....Boots said so.

It's cool! :cool:

Hey it's howard stern posting in my thread! I am so honored!

Hey it's howard stern posting in my thread! I am so honored!

Just keep it to yourself, j3ff...HE, HIMSELF posted a thread saying it's not him. ;)

shhhhhh

NO STREAMING HOWARD - TOTAL FUCKIN' BULLSHIT !!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

damn I just signed but we only have like 300 peeps. I wish the other site didn't close down that was putting up the Raw Dog shows and the SuperFan rountable..

Someone contact Howard 100 news and lets get an offical comment from the man himself!!!

This should be a big news story on Howard 100 News, not that they'll ever broadcast it. I currently have Sirius in my car ($1,000 Factory option) and I'm extremely frustrated by the fact that Howard will not be available via Sirius online when he starts broadcasting on January 9th. I work in an office building and Sirius reception is not possible. I listened to Howard in my office on old fashion radio with no problem; as did a million+ other Howard fans, this will not be possible with Sirius. What does Howard and Sirius think, people will run a cable over cubicals 50 feet to a South West facing window??..It is my understanding he is not available online because of potential piracy issues (example: sharing subscriber logins, downloading the audio stream). If this is the case, limit user logins to one at a time or implement a more secure login system. I hope Sirius rectifies this in the near future. I'm really disappointed because Sirius pushes the fact that content is available online and they don't clearly mention only certain content is available, this can be construed as 'bait and switch' to many fans. I believe this will eventually have a huge impact on subscriber growth for Sirius as the word gets out Howard is not available via the web. I'm willing to pay extra just to hear Howard online but why should I pay $12.95 a month when I can't listen to Howard's show live.

Signed!!!

This needs to happen!

I'm not Howard, but let's keep this thread on top for people to see.

Just signed...

Signed, but we need more than 350 sigs to make a difference!

signed

Good job guys, now send the link to ALL of your friends!

I signed. This is exactly why I cancelled my two subscriptions. I can not get a signal in my apt or in my office, or a good one in my car. If Howard isn't online, then I won't have sirius. It really sucks.

Now we know why Sirius won't stream Howard. This kind of piracy of copyrighted material is the answer: Loss of revenue. Our subscriptions will be paying for those who listen for free. Eventually, they'll raise the monthly fees of those of us who pay to compensate for lost revenue from theft. End of story. Period.

Whoever told you this is lying to you. Their online player requires a login and password. The login and password are the SAME ones used to manage your account, therefore giving it out to others gives them access to all your personal information, including your credit card information.

Second, (and I've tried this), if you try to login too many times within a 24 hour period they lock you out for 24 hours. Therefore, giving out your credentials to others would mean I high possibility that YOU won't be able to login either.

So:

a) You can't get the online stream without a paid account.
b) No sane person is going to give out their online access credentials because it would give strangers access to their personal information and most likely prevent them from using their own service.
c) Recording from their online streamer is much harder than just recording it off the receiver directly.


I would argue that providing the content online would actually reduce piracy. I'm still convinced that the real reason is that Howard's contractual payments are bound to sales of devices, so for him to allow the show online would mean he'd be screwing up his own 100m/year paycheck. There is no other reason that I can see to not allow his show online.

Whoever told you this is lying to you. Their online player requires a login and password. The login and password are the SAME ones used to manage your account, therefore giving it out to others gives them access to all your personal information, including your credit card information.

Second, (and I've tried this), if you try to login too many times within a 24 hour period they lock you out for 24 hours. Therefore, giving out your credentials to others would mean I high possibility that YOU won't be able to login either.

So:

a) You can't get the online stream without a paid account.
b) No sane person is going to give out their online access credentials because it would give strangers access to their personal information and most likely prevent them from using their own service.
c) Recording from their online streamer is much harder than just recording it off the receiver directly.


I would argue that providing the content online would actually reduce piracy. I'm still convinced that the real reason is that Howard's contractual payments are bound to sales of devices, so for him to allow the show online would mean he'd be screwing up his own 100m/year paycheck. There is no other reason that I can see to not allow his show online.

I tend to agree with all your points....but what kinda baffles me is the 'equipment clause'.

Sirius should give the equipment away. The money is to be made on subs, not boom-boxes. I'm of the mind that Howard's strength is in his fans who will sub, and stay subbed.

There's lots of stuff I'd gleefully steal, but given the choice between stealing Howard and supporting him, I'd choose to sub.

And I believe 99% of true Stern fans would do the same.

I tend to agree with all your points....but what kinda baffles me is the 'equipment clause'.

Sirius should give the equipment away. The money is to be made on subs, not boom-boxes. I'm of the mind that Howard's strength is in his fans who will sub, and stay subbed.

There's lots of stuff I'd gleefully steal, but given the choice between stealing Howard and supporting him, I'd choose to sub.

And I believe 99% of true Stern fans would do the same.

I'm sure that, except for the high-end receivers like the S50, they probably do take a loss or break even on the devices. Especially after the rebates. But remember, each device requires another subscription. So every device sold=more reoccurring revenue.

Since most people want to listen in at least 2 places and usually 3 places (work, home, car), they have to buy 3 subscriptions- one for each receiver. If they offer Howard online, most people wouldn't bother with the work or home subscription. Number of listeners is somewhat irrelevant from a business perspective. What matters is number of subscriptions. Especially for a company in need of money like Sirius (their stock is STILL less than 1/4 of XM's price).

So if my guess is right and Howard's monetary compensation is in fact tied to the total number of subscriptions, he has absolutely no incentive to give people online access since it means less subscriptions and less money for him.

This is just my guess as to the real story based on the information I've gleaned from what he's said on his show about his contract and the nature of contracts in general. I can't see any other reason not to offer the show online. There is no technical problem; they're already offering channels online. There are no security or piracy issues for the reasons I stated earlier. Howard is a broadcaster; so it's not like he doesn't want to hit as many ears as he can. According to Sirius, Howard gets what he wants; so I don't think it's anything on Sirius' side (unless they're lying). So the only logical conclusion is that providing his show online hurts him in some way.

Howard is a very smart business person. I don't seem him as somebody who makes arbitrary decisions. So there must be a business (read: monetary) reason why he isn't going to allow his show online. This is just my guess.

Having said that, I agree with you that they're off base in their thinking. I'd rather have 2 million $12.99 subscriptions (99% of which were online) of Howard's listeners, than 1 million $19.98 subscriptions from those listeners who can get access at work and are willing to pay for 2 receivers. To use a cliche, they're being penny-wise and pound foolish IMO.

I agree that their logic is flawed. I personally feel that unless they can either get the signal to more people and address the no reception issue, they must have Howard online. If neither of these issues are corrected, I predict that they will go bankrupt by the end of 2nd qtr 2006, from all of the subscribers that signed up specifically for howard that can't get him. I, myself, fall into that category. I had TWO accounts and was forced to cancel both. Didn't Sirius have approx 700k subscribers prior to Howard, and now have 3mill? NYC is one of his biggest markets, and reception here is pitiful. Sirius took a huge gamble with Howard by paying out that kind of $$$ if they can't sustain the subs that they have now, they will not be able to succeed. I am watching this because if it is fixed, you can be sure that I will sign up again...if not...it is there loss. As far as hardware is concerned, a sirius told me this, "...we sell the service only the hardware doesn't concern us and isn't our responsibility."

I didn't realize the reception in NY was bad. From what I was reading people could get three bars sitting in a lead box in the basement of their apartment... so much for that.

Sirius seems to not really have a sound strategy for becoming number one. If Jesus Christ himself came to Sirius, it wouldn't help their subscriptions in the long run because nobody could get his show based on their anti-online policies.

Their infrastructure is complete garbage compared to XM. Everybody knows that, including the stock analysts. Not surprising considering how they've been mismanaged over the years. Since they obviously don't have the money to get the infrastructure corrected, because of low stock price and high entertainer costs, they're going to have to be creative in figuring out how to get their service to as many people as possible. They have the talent, but it's wasted dollars if people can't hear it.

One simple solution to their dilemma is to stream the channels online at least for now so that they can get all those subscribers that can't get their signal (the majority), then with that revenue, begin focusing on beefing up their infrastructure.

Once the infrastructure is to the point where people don't need the online offering in order to get the service, they can consider going back to a music-only-online version. They're trying to have their cake and eat it too, yet they've spent all their money on the frosting and no cake.

Howard hinted today that it WILL be streamed!

I'm pissed that we don't know for sure one way or the other. The show goes live in 5 days and none of us know if it's going to be online or not.

The fact that no one has come out and said, YES, the show will be streamed makes me think that it won't be streamed. What would they gain by not trumpeting the good news that the show would be online??!?!

This thread should be put into general chatter so maybe Howard will see it. My guess is he only lurks in there.

donedone

Videoshopper,

Where did Howard hint that it would be streamed?

He hinted that it would be online during the studio rehearsal that was aired on Tuesday....I think the quote was "They're working on it..." or something to that effect. It's really discouraging that no one has stepped up and confirmed anything...the wating game continues!

I read in another thread that Sirius won't stream Stern for one reason: Bandwith.
That makes more sense to me than all this other speculation. Being a SternFan and ready for 1/09/06 (Sirius Sportster Replay) I understand how we "forget" that there are other subscribers to Sirius. If Stern hit the net stream, we would bring that server down in a heartbeat. Im tempted to think that some fans would even buy a subscription without a radio (is that possible?) just to listen online.

Please sign

Here is a response I got from Sirius yesterday when I asked if Howard would be online....

"We are very excited about Howard’s ultimate arrival in January of 2006 and are looking forward to this transformational event in the history of radio! At this time, we do not plan to offer Howard as part of our streaming audio service. Make sure to check sirius.com for Howard updates as they become available." :mad: :rolleyes:

I don't know who wrote this petition but how can it have any credibility, ( we will not buy sirius radio unless Howard is streamed) This is SFN, probably 99 percent of members here already have Sirius. I don't think threats work, you should state reasons why we want it and besides Sirius always says they want to do everything possible for us the customer. We do pay the bills you know and most are here because of Howard. If were not treated right now, how many will stay after Howards gone in 5 yrs. Now that would really hurt to lose millons at once. :scratch:

I and several of my friends have been your loyal listeners for the past 12 to 14 years. I bought a car and a home kit along with my 1-year subscription to Sirius for the SOLE purpose of listening to the Howard Stern show, believing that I would be able to listen to Howard via the Sirius Website while I am at work. Believe it or not, most of us are not in our car for 4 to 5 hours each morning. We work. We have PCs. We bought your hardware, your home kits, and your service. We followed you. So you and Sirius hold up your end of the deal and make all your programming for Howard 100 and 101 available online.

I look forward to listening to you and the whole gang online everyday at work for the next 5 years.

Not sure if you would consider this (I wouldnt), but I got an e-mail from someone here that said they would stream me the show for only $5 a month.

I wrote about it in my post here http://www.sternfannetwork.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=89836

I signed. This is exactly why I cancelled my two subscriptions. I can not get a signal in my apt or in my office, or a good one in my car. If Howard isn't online, then I won't have sirius. It really sucks.

Fuck Sirius! I was going to buy a unit, switch from XM but not if they are not going to stream! XM streams all of its shows! No wonder they have 6 million subscribers!

Out of the 13 million listeners Howard had on terrestrial radio, I always had the feeling the majority were listening to him from work (ie. in cubicles without a window)

It seems that Howard got his $500 million contract and doesn't care about his listeners anymore. What's the big deal about streaming? They obviously have the technology in place. Even though, I'm a hardcore fan, I may be returning my equipment because I don't get reception at work. I'm not paying $12.95 for 15 minutes of show in the car. It's either all or nothing.
I do not care about the music channels, about the NFL, the NBA, E! or Maxim. All I want if the Howard Stern show.

If I had to choose between terrestrial radio with the FCC or satellite radio without the FFC, I would choose the old show. I hope Sirius' stock crashes and XM just buys them out.

Sirius sucks! If Howard doesn't do anything, then F. Howard too.

:mad:

He hinted that it would be online during the studio rehearsal that was aired on Tuesday....I think the quote was "They're working on it..." or something to that effect. It's really discouraging that no one has stepped up and confirmed anything...the wating game continues!

I too heard this.

I am guessing that there are a few reasons that he isn't streaming right away.

1) Bandwidth - this is an easy to solve problem, but it takes time
2) Secure log in - currently I can log in on more than one machine at a time and stream two channels, they need to change this so you can only log in once per radio on an account
3) They probably want to give the idea that it wouldn't be streamed so more people wouldn't try to get around buying Sirius.

It does suck that we can't listen in our office if it doesn't face north and have a window...

Theres a link on sirius to sign up for newsletter to find out WHEN they will START streaming Howard.

Click on 'Witness history in the making' on the SIrius homepage

Heres the text:
Want to get updated as soon as Howard starts streaming? Sign up here.


:)

Everyone who signed the petition.....even though it was spelled horribly.........you all helped this happen.

http://www.sirius.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Sirius/Page&c=FlexContent&cid=1130574541451

there's the link, it's in the grey box on the right at the bottom! SIGN UP, PASS THE LINK OUT TO YOUR FRIENDS, the more people who sign up the faster it will get done!

Yeah, this really pisses me off.

I bought Sirius so I could listen to Howard. Unfortunately, it looks like the only time I can listen is my 10 minute drive to work, because my office won’t get sat. reception.

They better stream his show online or I'm returning my shit. I bought this to listen to Howard all day, not Howard for 10 minutes in the morning then the gay/lesbian online streaming shows all day online.

Ridiculous. :mad:

Yeah, this really pisses me off.

I bought Sirius so I could listen to Howard. Unfortunately, it looks like the only time I can listen is my 10 minute drive to work, because my office won’t get sat. reception.

They better stream his show online or I'm returning my shit. I bought this to listen to Howard all day, not Howard for 10 minutes in the morning then the gay/lesbian online streaming shows all day online.

Ridiculous. :mad:

PLEASE READ THE POST BEFORE YOURS YA STUPID JR

That doesn't mean anything, other than that Sirius is aware that there is a problem. Hopefully they will rectify it and not decide that it isn't worth it or an acceptable loss if you will.

Actually according to the guy who I've been in touch with, who forwarded the Petition to the big guys, he claims that if A TON of people sign up to get the email when stern gets streamed, IT WILL GET DONE FASTER.......

Fuckin uniformed people speaking when they don't know shit.......love you stupid newbs

I am uninformed? You didn't say anything that I didn't. You said IF. I said that it means that they are aware of the problem (which you said). I said I hope they rectify it. You said that IF a TON of people sign up it will get done faster..

That is pretty much my point, as a company they will decide what is an acceptable risk, meaning how many subscribers that they are willing to lose before they take action...it is simply a matter of being cost effective. At some level (your friend's TON) it will need to be fixed. That is what I am saying. Either way, they had over a year to know that their reception is not as good as it could be and that Howard wouldn't be streamed. It is unacceptable to just be fixing it now, or should I say whenever your definitive TON is achieved. I may be new posting here, but I understand business. fuck off.

PLEASE READ THE POST BEFORE YOURS YA STUPID JR

So I can't express my own thoughts on the subject?

Don't be such an asshole.

Jeff you really need to get a grip dude. I dont get why people act like hardasses on this site.

"you shutup you fuckin newb, blah blah blah blah"......gay!

:o :o :o :o

1. It's fun harrasing JR's.

2. why not? :)

Don't be to too hard on him, he is a moron.

Yea........I see you help out the site alot.

I am new here, give me time. You are just a moron.

I see- is that how a smart person wins? I told ya not to be stupid ya moron!

I don't have to win. You already proved my point when you gave your two reasons for acting the way you do. That said, I can't argue with your last quote...it is pure genius. now Shut up and Sit down!

:munch:

i vote yes for streaming