Do you want your pilot working two jobs? Conservatives do.

[SaintJimmy]

Originally Posted by deidler

You don't know the answer yet. Maybe when Moore tells you, you can come back and answer.

/end thread

Unlike you, I don't depend upon the talking heads of my side of the aisle for my beliefs.

I just don't want to give you a lot of info about my "area", if you don't mind. Thank you.

[dogcow]

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...pilot-pay.html

[deidler]

Originally Posted by SaintJimmy

You could have just put MAYBE on all the questions. It would have been faster and made as much sense. You are insane.

[SaintJimmy]

Originally Posted by deidler

You could have just put MAYBE on all the questions. It would have been faster and made as much sense. You are insane.

I would suggest that you ask better questions.

Be more specific.


Let me help you:

You first question should have been more descriptive, like:

Should a full-time pilot for a major airline be allowed to have a second job?

Answer: Absolutely not.


You see how that works, brainiac?

Now, you try.

[guayuque]

Originally Posted by deidler

Quit dancing around. I said your city/state. Give us the number. I lived in Fullerton Ca off $300 a week.

If you lived in Fullerton on 300/wk then you lived with roaches and rats. Living on 300/wk does not include living rent free with your parents.

[zimmie]

Originally Posted by SaintJimmy

I would suggest that you ask better questions.

Be more specific.


Let me help you:

You first question should have been more descriptive, like:

Should a full-time pilot for a major airline be allowed to have a second job?

Answer: Absolutely not.


You see how that works, brainiac?

Now, you try.

you really do believe in freedumb

[mr wrong]

Zimmie's the perfect example of "freedumb"

[deidler]

Originally Posted by guayuque

If you lived in Fullerton on 300/wk then you lived with roaches and rats. Living on 300/wk does not include living rent free with your parents.

Or I lived in a 2br apt that rented for 750/month and I had a roommate.

[deidler]

Originally Posted by SaintJimmy

I would suggest that you ask better questions.

Be more specific.


Let me help you:

You first question should have been more descriptive, like:

Should a full-time pilot for a major airline be allowed to have a second job?

Answer: Absolutely not.


You see how that works, brainiac?

Now, you try.

it's as specific as your op. Or you don't bother with specifics when Moore tells you something. Let us know genius the number that you consider based on your area. Oh and you don't have to tell us where you live dumdum. I'm assuming in this conversation you would come up with a honest number that you consider a living wage for every employee in your area.

I love that you don't think a pilot should be able to have a second job. Pilots do create businesses on their own time.

[nunpuncher]

Originally Posted by SaintJimmy

I would suggest that you ask better questions.

Be more specific.


Let me help you:

You first question should have been more descriptive, like:

Should a full-time pilot for a major airline be allowed to have a second job?

Answer: Absolutely not.


You see how that works, brainiac?

Now, you try.

fucking rofl
mrs juiimy exposing herself again
get micheal moores fist out of your ass

fulltime pilots work about 50 to 80 hours a month
they are soooooo regulated as to time off before they fly it would mke your head spin

now brainiac they have enough time to have 2 extra jobs

btw if you were smart and did give a shit abut the public you would worry about 18 wheeler drivers
muh looser rules and almost no regulations on hours on and off duty

it never gets tired watching the guy who always acuses others of watching fox and getting their talking points being completley destroyed and exposed as a micheal moore puppet

[CrackHead_Fan]

Originally Posted by nunpuncher

they are soooooo regulated as to time off before they fly it would mke your head spin

B....B....But Michael Moore says....

[Billyfromsphily]

Originally Posted by AbeFrohman

I agree but it is human nature to never be satisfied and always want more. Look at the amount of people arrested for embezzlement, how many are rich to begin with, how much is enough?

Of course not but I think that he is off base here and maybe time to reconsider his views.

No. I just think that he listened and ran with it. I still think school bus drivers would be more in line with his cause but that doesn't interest most people because they might have to pay a little more taxes. People got right on board with this pilot thing when goddamn they get paid well.
The pilots are greedy. They demanded getting a retired pilot as their CEO, over the CEO of About.com. The fucker gets in and lays off and cuts the salary of the mechanics. They are important too.


Yes, you need to first get your your pilot certificate which takes 250 hours training. Then you need to get 1000 flight hours with 100 being in a multi engine aircraft. You need an associates degree but it doesn't have to be in aviation but smart money will tell you it will help in your career. Then after you get between 2000 to 3000 hours of flight time you are qualified (depending on the carrier) to apply for a major carrier.

I hope that is sufficient for your inquiry wondering if I know what it takes to be a pilot. There are many of United's pilots living in my town and my son's are best friends with two Young Eagles of America kids who want to be a pilot or astronaut one day. Following in the footsteps of their well to do pilot father.

As for the tradesmen, remember, these are the people who build the skyscrapers that if they fall or faulter can and would impact lives. These are the people that after a catostrophic event such as 911, an earthquake, tornado or tsaumi are the ones risking their lives, dismantling, reinforcing and saving lives. The paramedics can't rescue people without the skilled ironworkers removing steel, supporting rubble so rescuers can go in.

They were just an example. Just the fact you are arguing this shows that because Moore said it that it has to be true and goddamn to anyone who questions it. Hey, Moore is a fine film maker but he has flaws and remember him talking about his capitalism movie trying to justify Howard who makes 100 million a year and wants to crush any DJ even if they are making less than 100 thousand a year. See what I am saying? Probably not.

At least StJimmy who can get very abrasive and defensive is giving me a decent discussion with questions for me to ponder not just telling me I have no idea what a pilot has to do. When in fact I know from actual pilots and not some book.
You can throw a rock and hit a pilot around where I live and they all come into my place to release their wild side. I watch them drop off their bike to get a couple thousand dollars worth of chrome, listen to them complain about United, then get in their SLK with their wives. No matter how much some people make they will still complain.

So whats your point? You ramble around with inconsistent points and hearsay testimony.You give the basics for a pilot's qualifications.

Your analogy about steel workers and pilots is ludicrous. When is the last time a 150 MILLION DOLLAR building fell down because of a steel workers bad or misinformed decision? Tell me too when the last time a steekl worker fell to his death, he took out anyone on the ground? Just give me one please...When does a split second decision buy a tradesman adfeect so may lives? Just a bullshit comparison!


Next time someone brings a discussion to the table about something else , you are going to say you live in neighborhood with lots of them thus qualifying you as an expert?

Here you go now how does this sound for underpaid and inexperienced?


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...rk-plane-crash

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29173163/page/2/

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/25/buf...ash/index.html



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[deidler]

Originally Posted by Billyfromsphily

Here you go now how does this sound for underpaid and inexperienced?


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...rk-plane-crash

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29173163/page/2/

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/25/buf...ash/index.html



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Bombardier common thread? Or did the FAA say this is the result of a pilot working long hours at his substitute teaching job?

[Billyfromsphily]

Originally Posted by deidler

Bombardier common thread? Or did the FAA say this is the result of a pilot working long hours at his substitute teaching job?

Try this one for more info on it.

http://blog.taragana.com/n/faa-chief...sm-gap-165228/


Here is another on quick decisions and experience levels.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5005408.shtml


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[deidler]

Originally Posted by Billyfromsphily

Try this one for more info on it.

http://blog.taragana.com/n/faa-chief...sm-gap-165228/


Here is another on quick decisions and experience levels.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5005408.shtml


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It looks like you added a link after the fact so I haven't looked at it. But it appears that they are new and the FAA calls for more professionalism. Sulley himself says they need to mentor newer pilots. But I don't think any of this changes depending on the payscale. But thank you for the link. But you don't question bombardier at all?

[deidler]

It looks like the company had bad hiring practices but it didn't say anything about the pay. I personally don't care how much you pay a prop pilot. I hate flying those things.

[Billyfromsphily]

Originally Posted by deidler

It looks like the company had bad hiring practices but it didn't say anything about the pay. I personally don't care how much you pay a prop pilot. I hate flying those things.

Here is more info on the pilots experience and salaries.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520028,00.html



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[deidler]

Originally Posted by Billyfromsphily

Here is more info on the pilots experience and salaries.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520028,00.html



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So somebody else blames pay. What is your point? That doesn't mean it is the reason. It sounds like they hired people who weren't qualified or professional.

Let me give you an example of pay not reflecting professionalism.
http://www.chicago-personal-injury-l...t_rever_1.html

And long hours

http://www.cvshealthresources.com/topic/rxtrouble

They get paid over $100,000/year

[Billyfromsphily]

What other profession has as many lives in the hands of 1 or 22 people.

I don't disagree with you , but salary compensation for these people should be measured differently than for others

[Bababaloney]

Originally Posted by SaintJimmy

Do you think he made it up?

Do you think Michael Moore has a stake in the pay rate of his pilot, other than the obvious one?

No, he probably didn't fully make it up.

But as has been showed time and time again, Mr. Moore will selectively bend (and sometimes break) the truth to try and support his flimsy arguments.

Of course you continue to take everything he says as gospel and be a good little liberal lemming... Have fun with that, sport...

[deidler]

Originally Posted by Billyfromsphily

What other profession has as many lives in the hands of 1 or 22 people.

I don't disagree with you , but salary compensation for these people should be measured differently than for others

There are many jobs that involve the safety of the masses. Which is why I used pharmacists. Some pharmacists are amazing and are worth every penny they make if not more. Generally if they are hated by your doctor they are a great pharmacist. But many and sadly probably the majority don't carry the professionalism the job requires and it causes deaths. Not the sole reason. But one reason. Do I know if you paid these people who crashed the Buffalo plane $60,000 they wouldn't have crashed? No I don't. But I agree that it seems strnge that the profession brings such a low salary. But more expensive tickets are the solution. But, it's a gamble some seem willing to take to fly these less expensive airlines. People paying $15 for tickets are not under the assumption that the guy flyinfg is paid six figures.

[dogcow]

Originally Posted by Billyfromsphily

What other profession has as many lives in the hands of 1 or 22 people.

I don't disagree with you , but salary compensation for these people should be measured differently than for others

someone already brought up cooks/food handlers....

bus drivers probably have more passangers on a daily basis if you just want to talk about transportation operators.

[Drizden]

Originally Posted by dogcow

someone already brought up cooks/food handlers....

bus drivers probably have more passangers on a daily basis if you just want to talk about transportation operators.

Anyone on the road can be a danger. One of those armored brinks trucks hit someone I know a few years ago. Truck drivers are constantly going days without sleep.

[Billyfromsphily]

Originally Posted by Drizden

Anyone on the road can be a danger. One of those armored brinks trucks hit someone I know a few years ago. Truck drivers are constantly going days without sleep.

I agree , but the consequences of a plane crash are far more severe and costly. One thing is a truck can pull over just about anywhere.. A plane needs an airport!

[AbeFrohman]

Originally Posted by Billyfromsphily

Your analogy about steel workers and pilots is ludicrous. When is the last time a 150 MILLION DOLLAR building fell down because of a steel workers bad or misinformed decision? Tell me too when the last time a steekl worker fell to his death, he took out anyone on the ground? Just give me one please...When does a split second decision buy a tradesman adfeect so may lives? Just a bullshit comparison!

Chicago post office collapsed in 93, only killed 5 though. 5 people aren't any big deal right? 18 killed in what is now called the ironworker memorial bridge in Vancouver.

Also the rescuers wouldn't even been able to do their work at ground zero if it wasn't for the ironworkers. I digress though. Big deal, you don't think they matter so onto your next flub.

Originally Posted by Billyfromsphily

Here you go now how does this sound for underpaid and inexperienced?


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...rk-plane-crash

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29173163/page/2/

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/25/buf...ash/index.html

I complained about firing mechanics, cutting their wages and over working them. Then you give me three links on a crash that blame the crash on ice on the wings? Which a mechanical crew that was not overworked might have been able to notice and de-ice.

Then another link you give blames it on an inexperienced pilot, which paying him more would help? I will give it to you though, the pilot in this case was underpaid.

So listen, I have been nice to you even though you have been an annoying little scamp so here is where you fail and fail big.

The links you provided blamed the crash on an inexperienced pilot. The pilot was talking and saying he was inexperienced in flying a plane in the icy conditions.

So let me get this right. You give me an example of an inexperienced pilot and you want to pay him more, I say train him more and pay him what other pilots make. Stay with me here kid, this gets good.

The pilot works for Colgan Air which is a rinky dink airline that treats the employees bad.

By the way the owner of Colgan Air, Charles J Colgan has been in the Virginia senate for the past 33 years as a democrat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_J._Colgan

At major airlines, for example, pilots usually earn in the six figures, while Colgan said their pay averages about $67,000 a year for pilots and $24,000 for co-pilots— nearly $125,000 less than pilots from airlines such as Delta, United and US Airways and even $20,000 less than bus drivers for the Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority.
Pilots claim to have fought a losing battle to get industry competitive wages from incumbent Charles J Colgan (D) of the 29th district of Virginia.

From an older article. Seems it depends how bad Colgan rips you off is comparable to what airport you fly out of.

The starting pay for pilots at Colgan is about $14,400, said Kit Darby, president and publisher of Atlanta-based Aviation Information Resources Inc., which provides career information to pilots. Once pilots become captains at Colgan, they can earn $33,600 a year, he said.
By comparison, the average starting salary for a pilot working at a major airline is about $36,672, Darby said. Once a pilot reaches the rank of captain at a major airline, the salary rises to about $150,000, he said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Apr17.html

So you give me an example. An airline that underpays the pilots and is owned by a 33 year senate democrat from Virginia. The pilots are a high paid group of workers in a job that takes little training. There are a few rogue airlines that don't pay well. It seems this democratic owned one you gave me the example of is one of the worst. This prick is also a former pilot. Mind you industry standards pay is 300% higher at other airlines than this one you gave me an example of.

Quick, get Michael Moore. I bet he praises Colgan Airlines for keeping ticket prices low now.