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| Mutt |
khoffa, you are a nut. did you even watch the 2nd f-ing machine episode? it wasn't PG13. it show'd dildos slamming into vag. it show'd full penetration. what didnt' you see? what was possible missing? with the tongue machine, you saw everything from start to gary wincing and wiping chick jizz off his face. please tell me what you feel wasn't included?
it wasn't any 2 minute clip. it was long. you saw all 3 machines from beginning to end. they show'd the entire thing. nothing what so ever was cut out
as for content not being updated, it is on my system. what cable company are you on? there's more crap on there every week than I can possible watch
as for getting bored, that was before the new Sirius episodes. that was all filler. now they are doing what they wanted to all along.
the negative buzz you are talking about is with a very small handful of people. 99% of the people I talk to are thrilled. most people that bitch about the fuck machines, took it back. even you did but here you are still bitching. |
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| Mutt |
This has been addressed several times but still I see new posts every day where someone is outraged. Clam down people and think for a second.
first, Howard TV is not a porn channel. if you thought you were signing up for porn, you were mistaken. It is very risque but it's not porn. It's just T&A. Stop all your complaints about penetration and close ups. Nobody ever told you to expect porn and there will never be any vag closeups. What they said you would get was an uncensored version of the E! show. What you are getting is that and way way more.
next, I understand that you may have OnDemand porn on your system but that doesn't mean that all systems are the same. In several markets, porn is not allowed on the system at all. Howard TV is not being sold or marketed as a porn channel. Your argument that it should be OK because there is other porn on TV is irreverent. They are selling this channel all across the US and they simply are not allowed to air porn. They are already pushing every boundary that they can.
most importantly, they are pushing shows out and to you within 24-48 hours of filming. This leaves no time for the content to be reviewed. In order to get you a show as soon as possible, they are putting together safe shows that they are certain will meet their restrictions. If they had to pull footage that they wanted to air, they can now take the time to work on a dirtier show and bring it before the lawyers for review. This new show is then released afterwards.
finally, If you are complaining about the F-in machines epidsode, this was the most extreme thing that had ever been on the Stern Show. This was unprecidneted and they didn't know what was going to fly. I think it's pretty clear that a TV channel that isn't allowed to air porn would need to consult the lawyers before showing the fucksaw pound a chick. Besides, open your fucking eyes and watch the second version thats been out for over a week now. It was extreme and there no way you would be complaining if you had seen it. I watched it Wed April 5th and was shocked. it was part of the March 27-31st week in review. It was incredible and couldn't possibly fathom what these complainers were bitching about.
After going through Howard TV myself, I don't see how anyone could complain about anything. It kicks ass and I highly recommend it to all Stern fans. |
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| khoffa |
A) The channel is marketed as uncensored look @ the show. There is never actual intercourse going on during the radio show, so no one should expect porn. There is however a big difference between an uncensored look and a PG-13 look. I can deal w/ making an initial *safe* episode then going back and adding more explicit content. If an episode is updated, said daily version should be updated, not the 2min clip in a weekly best of. The best of's should show content that didn't fit into the daily interviews/bits, not simple highlights of shows we already watched. (ie: Sal's outburst)
B) Content is not updated nearly as much as promised/ told on radio. If it's because of planning the film festival - they should have contracted some freelancers to keep HTV updated. Atleast let people know what's going on instead of saying things are available on demand when they aren't. Which has happened several times. Blaming local cable channels and throwing in the towel isn't the answer. The other on-demand channels I subscribe to don't have this issue.
C) Personally, I am making these observations because I want the channel improved. In the beginning I was a huge spokesman for HTV to all my friends. I have personally gotten atleast 10 people to subscribe. Those same 10 people are big fans of the radio show and got bored with the content after 2months. Six of them have already unsubscribed.
D) Doug's attitude is condescending and he never has a clear answer for anyone's inquiries. He should be concerned about the negative buzz the channel is receiving and embrace the feedback from fans. Most of us that are "complaining" just want to see improvement and be able to recommend the service to our friends.
If things improve, I will be the first person congratulating him for a job well done. I hope he hits a homerun with the film festival, but based on his on-air antics I am skeptical. I wish him the best of luck and as a fan would love to see the film festival live up to the hype. :pray: |
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| Mutt |
| mater of fact, your fucking av alone is pissing me off. |
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| MAGUSofHELLVIEW |
im totally with khoffa on this one. sorry mutt, but i do not like being dicked around with something im paying for that is built up as UNCENSORED... if you tell me something is uncersored, that means there should be no second guessing of what content is allowable. from every class ive taken, they are allowed to show anything they want.. if they choose to limit stuff because they want to pander to the cable systems, thats just sad. i would think howard would be more about artistic integrity than making money.
the second f-machine episode was much much much better. no doubt. but as a director/editor of an UNCENSORED show, wouldnt you want the great angles and close ups? i mean christ, we got em with richards balls, but suddenly vagina is not allowed????
we dont want porn, we have our own porn section on SFN... what we want is what we were promised, 2 to 3 shows PER DAY of video content that we hear on the radio. UNCENSORED and properly edited/directed.
they should not have to hear our bitching to re-edit the episodes. it shoulda been done right in the first place. howard seems to not know about the editing going on, but im sure once he really looks at it, he'll be bitching too.
i will stick with it for 1 year... but if we dont start seeing better/more content, i have no desire to stay with it. maybe we are a minority, but i think howardTV has not lived up to its potential |
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| conspire |
I agree. They advertise it as uncensored. I don't want to cause any drama, but they need to tell the fans who are paying for the service what to expect. They said 2 to 3 shows a day, and that has been totally false. The uncensored thing was a little better with the newer version of the machines episode. I don't mind if there are restrictions, but don't make it out to be totally uncensored. And no, i'm not looking for it to be a porn channel, I'm just looking to get what I pay for, which is 2 or 3 shows a day and uncensored/properly edited material. Just sayin' ;)
Happy birthday mutt! |
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| michaeljamesmcc |
First off, Happy Birthday Mutt. We all appreciate the fact that you have given us a voice that is heard by the show.
Secondly, I understand your frustrations with our complaints.
Third, all of our complaints are valid and deserve to be addressed in an official manner.
You need to be able to remove yourself from your current position and look at things from our point of view. How can you look at this issue objectively? I mean, you HOST a weekly show on Howard 101. You are going to actually be ON Howard TV on regular/semi-regular basis. I don't think that anyone would expect you to have anything but positive things to say about all things Stern related. Do you really think you can be unbiased in this matter?
I'm way up here in Minnesota. Until Sirius and Howard TV came online, the only thing keeping me connected to the show was the internet, people nice enough to file share the show on a daily basis, and the E! show. Howard Stern was barely even known up here. At the premier night for "Private Parts", the theater was 3/4 empty. No one up here buys his books in my local bookstores. We're talking about a Stern-free Zone up here.
When I heard about Howard TV, I was extremely excited. I thought that finally The Show will be uncensored and presented to people in all of it's visual glory as a paid service. I thought that Howard TV would be everything that the E! Show couldn't be!
Sadly, that's not the case.
To this point, Howard TV is really just the old E! Show without the pixels and bleeps. There has been nothing new or innovative about the shows, or how the shows are filmed, or exclusive content. The most "hardcore" footage that they've shown always involves cock or gay humor. (See "Supertwink" and the Christy Waxing) There has been some great chicks on the show getting naked, but it's never as satisfying as the crew makes it out to be on the show. There really needs to be a "you are there" type feel. Not for the "porn" element, but just to fulfill the fan's expectations.
I've sold 10 of my friends on the Sirius service, but every viewing party I've had, has ended in disappointment. Most of my friends think I'm crazy to pay for Howard TV, and they're all big fans of the show. If I worked for Howard TV and/or Sirius, I'm sure the feedback from them would be different. But, they've been brutually honest.
Some real changes need to be made. In my opinion, Howard TV should have more subscribers than Sirius. People already have the equiptment in their homes, and if the service and presentation were improved, Howard TV would become an amazing success story. That's why I'm on here bitching about it, because I actually WANT it to happen.
Do you honestly think a re-edit would've been done if no one had said anything about the Fucking Machine's episode? Have ANY other shows ever been re-edited? So far, our bitching has been used for positive change.
When people make a list of reasons why NOT to subscribe to Howard TV, the question of "censorship" is on the top of the list. It's not fully understood, and has not been officially addressed. If Howard TV is going to improve, then it needs to be. |
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| michaeljamesmcc |
Mutt, check out this recent move. Howard TV in hotel rooms. I wonder if they're promoting the service as PPV in HOTEL ROOMS as non-porn. Do ya think people that rent the Fucking Machine's episode will want close-ups? I hope they get the re-edit...
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Press Release Source: LodgeNet Entertainment Corporation
LodgeNet, iN Demand Join to Bring Howard Stern to Hotel Guests Across the United States
Monday April 10, 11:04 am ET
Video-On-Demand 'Howard TV(SM)' Episodes Premiering in April in More Than 600,000 LodgeNet Served Guest Rooms
SIOUX FALLS, S.D. and NEW YORK, April 10 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- LodgeNet Entertainment Corporation (Nasdaq: LNET - News), the world's largest provider of interactive television and broadband solutions to hotels, and iN DEMAND Networks, the world's leading supplier of video-on-demand (VOD), pay- per-view and HDTV programming, have announced an agreement to bring VOD episodes of Howard Stern's radio show to more than 3,300 U.S. hotels installed with LodgeNet's digital interactive television systems. The agreement also gives LodgeNet access to a variety of on-demand entertainment from iN DEMAND's library of content.
"Howard Stern fans can now experience the 'king of all media' at his most audacious by seeing what happens on and off the mic," said Steven D. Truckenmiller, Senior Vice President Programming & Content Management for LodgeNet.
"Our agreement with LodgeNet to bring Howard TV into more than 600,000 rooms will give travelers the opportunity to experience the only television version of Howard Stern's outrageous and entertaining radio show," said Robert D. Jacobson, President and CEO, iN DEMAND Networks. "Now we can deliver Stern's wildly popular uncensored antics to millions of hotel guests across the country, whether they are loyal fans, or are just curious about all the hoopla."
The Howard TV episodes will premiere this month on LodgeNet systems. LodgeNet will add new episodes as they become available.
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| thermovox |
| i done told khoffa that av was gonna cause a ruckus when pa found out! ;) |
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| SteelRat |
Howard Stern On Demand by In Demand and On Command? :ec:
I wonder what kind of pricing and availability they'll have. It mentions they'll have "several" shows to choose from, but will it be $8 per viewing or a set amount to view them all for a block of time? |
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| michaeljamesmcc |
I'm sure it will be the $7.99 ala-carte that has shown up on other systems. One show at a time for 24 hours.
At least that would be my guess.
I think the "Uncensored TV" section of Comcast On Demand has a good example of what they will be offering. I've seen the same Springer Shows and Blind Date Uncensored at hotels already. |
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| mrkrispy |
| i never needed to see close ups but was a little bummed about the cut-away shots. I am over it, moved on...the OnDemand is still worth the money and required viewing |
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| TheBlueprint |
| I don't care for the close ups of the vagina or penetration.. but please, please.. stop with the cut-away shots!!!!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD nobody wants to see Artie's and Benji's face when Valentina Vaughn is riding the fuck out of the sybian. |
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| fjackieftimmy |
| khoffa didn't deserve to have his account placed on hold for what he wrote. Look back at his posts, he didn't write anything that wasn't true. I didn't think that disagreeing with mutt means your account is placed on hold. But I guess it does. What exactly are the grounds for punishment on this site? |
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| SUPERLD |
I have to agree that some of the editing has been shitty.
BUT My biggest disappointment has been all the shows not put up on the 16th as promised. Doug himself said on air and on this website that all shows pre-March 16th would be available on the 16th. That didn't happen.
I want to see the fake Arnold call to George Takei and other 1st week shows. How many shows have been put up that were pre-3/16? There has to be more updates. Maybe even make a "New Arrival" category and after they are not new anymore filter them into the other categories. What happened to the Sybian category, Howard said would be put up?
My wife and I love Howard TV but definite improvements could be made. Howard has always given us more than what we ask for but so far Howard TV is not living up to the Stern standard of quality. It's still great but we expect more, we are after all STERN FANS.
Oh yeah, Happy Birthday Mutt, I LOVE this site. |
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| Mutt |
what they promised all along was 40 hrs of new content per week. are they not providing that? I believe they are.
let me explain again, they are not a porn channel and cannot legally air porn. I'm glad you took classes MAGUSofHELLVIEW but if I tell you they aren't allowed, they aren't. They want Howard TV on as many cable systems as possible and several of them will not consider a porn channel. that isn't going to change no matter how much you complain
if they had never had the fucking machine girls in, none of you would have any censorship complaints.
go rent porn guys. I hear what youa re saying, but if you feel cheated you shouldn't subscribe. it's not going to get dirtier. |
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| Mutt |
Quote: Originally posted by fjackieftimmy
khoffa didn't deserve to have his account placed on hold for what he wrote. Look back at his posts, he didn't write anything that wasn't true. I didn't think that disagreeing with mutt means your account is placed on hold. But I guess it does. What exactly are the grounds for punishment on this site? |
are you blind? he didn't get it for what he wrote. as I explained, he got it for his av. he had already been warned and still hadn't changed it. |
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| MAGUSofHELLVIEW |
i hear ya Mutt... its just discouraging when you think its going to be one thing and it doesnt live up to your hopes. although i would argue the legallity of airing such programming as opposed to airing it because of what certain cable systems standards are... but oh well, its what we have and ill have to deal
or maybe you and Doug are havin an affair with each other.... at least thats what they told me in my classes :D happy birthday bro, thanks for the outlet for our rantings |
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| fjackieftimmy |
Quote: Originally posted by Mutt
are you blind? he didn't get it for what he wrote. as I explained, he got it for his av. he had already been warned and still hadn't changed it. |
No Mutt I'm not blind, it wasn't clear in your rant that he was banned for his avatar and not what he wrote. If that was in fact the case then I apologize (but the avatar is still funny). The majority of what howard does is A+. It just seems like howard t.v. hasn't quite lived up to his normal high standard. I think the majority of what's written here is constructive criticism and not just mindless bashing. We all just want to see HTV improve.
f timmy's skull |
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| gofyaself |
"Nobody ever told you to expect porn and there will never be any vag closeups."
This is false. What made the presentation of the first Machine episode so bizarre is that there HAVE been close-ups of Vag. Many in fact, with the candle blowing episode being the one that instantly springs to mind. That episode was almost gynecological in nature.
Like many have said, even discounting penetration, that first machine episode was just edited POORLY. It was an endless stream of disorienting cut-aways, even avoiding showing the girl's face at pertinent moments. |
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| conspire |
I don't think people are pissed because of the penetration, etc...
We have been told that this is uncensored. I think people are pissed because they want to be told what is and what is not within limits....that's all.. |
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| thermovox |
| We should all be thankful for the OnDemand censorship, just think of how extremely gross the Blue Iris episode would have been without some censoring! |
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| LiveWire |
Well she did keep her skirt thing on thank goodness for that
I have to say if the lines of what they can and cant show are not clear i would rather wait an extra day or two to see a better show with i guess more tastefull close ups and better shots of the action insted of quick cuts to the staff's reaction
then the rushed shows they have been puting up anyone else agree??
also the second F-ing Machines was much better and is a perfect example of not rushing and geting a better show |
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| taysam |
| I still don't get why some shows are on the "Uncensored TV" part of my Comcast cable in CT and they are NOT on the HTV part so I don't get them. Why are they doing that? I know this has come up but some people have those shows on the HTV part. This time is the the two Penthouse Pets that are NOT on my HTV but are on the "Uncersored TV" section. |
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| Bad Santa |
Quote: Originally posted by fjackieftimmy
khoffa didn't deserve to have his account placed on hold for what he wrote. Look back at his posts, he didn't write anything that wasn't true. I didn't think that disagreeing with mutt means your account is placed on hold. But I guess it does. What exactly are the grounds for punishment on this site? |
EXACTLY...and now you know why many of us spend more time at sternchat . com than here. No criticism of Howard allowed at SFN? What the fuck is this? |
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| mikeh77 |
Beleive me, this site wasnt like this when I signed up...Too bad to see its been corrupted by the partnership with Sirius/Howard 100.
99% of the comments in the Howard TV section are constructive criticism that are true.
I could give a damn about porn or showing penetration...as a matter of fact, the constant Sybian shows and shows with boring hot chicks is what is ruining the channel...and if you listened to Howard himself on Larry King he said that is what ruined the E show in the later years.....but yet the same people are in charge doing the same things.
You ask anyone what they want from Howard Tv and they will tell you comedy.
What were the best shows?
Jeff the Drunk wont Leave
Artie Drunk in Vegas
Artie Uncensored with the Queer Guys
And I dont know who Mutt talks to that says they are all "satisfied" with Howard TV...because reading from the people on here and the people I know myself the majority are VERY displeased.
Theres a big difference between eliminating the hate and stifiling ACCURATE criticism and that is what seems to be going on here. |
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| Stethacantus |
Mutt,
As a person who once helped distribute pornographic videos to stores in the Time Square area, I should know what porn is. And some girl shooting piss or God knows what else into Gary's face is not porn! Pornography is images that cause arousal, not disgust. Sure there are probably a few sick individuals out there who would think Gary getting squirted was sexy, but that does not make it porn.
I have often found that with censorship there are usually some really dumb guidelines [ such as back on Infinity radio where Farts were okay but wet sounding farts were not, as if there was really some sort of difference ] and apparently the current In Demand guideline that says that showing a woman mounting a vagina penetrating machine is not porn but the image of the actual penetration, her facial expression the moment she gets off or a possible ejaculation is pornographic. This is just as dumb as when they called Sam Peckinpah westerns violent because they showed blood while John Wayne movies were considered nonviolent for not showing blood, even with the same body count. The problem with guidelines is that they are there to appease someone, most likely a bunch of religious activists who would never watch HSTV anyway. But religious activists are never satisfied with guidelines and are bound to complain anyway, causing even more guidelines to be implemented.
The point is that In Demand and Howard promoted the channel as uncensored, and now suddenly we find out that there are limits. What is worse those limits prevented the paying viewers from seeing something very funny and not the least bit sexy just so In Demand can tell some non-subscribing activists that they censored some "pornographic" images. We were told that the reason why we now had to pay to hear and see Howard was because that there was some legal precedence that if you subscribed to something then it could not be censored. This was suppose to be the backbone of the whole revolution, a place where they [ the religious right ] no longer had any say in what we could see or hear. And now suddenly we find out that this is not entirely true, that the wall that is suppose to protect Howard and the rest of us against these people has a huge gaping hole in it. No wonder many subscribers have become disillusioned and have complained.
Another problem is that Howard himself did not seem to know that there was a censorship issue. He had suggested that we would all be seeing the squirt incident on his pay channel, and generally seemed surprised himself on the radio that there was an issue with showing it. This makes many of his fans wonder if there truly is protection against censorship with both his new television and satellite ventures. Getting both the In Demand channel as well as the Sirius satellite show is an expensive investment for many. In the case of Sirius it involves buying equipment that could cost $150 or more on top of the subscription fee while cable subscribers have to also pay for Digital service bringing their cable bill to nearly $100 a month on top of the In Demand subscription fee. The last thing they want is to have spent all of this money just to have either or both In Demand and Sirius decide to initiate their own standards and practices to appease outside pressure groups. You don't want to have paid all that money and end up with shows that are just as censored as when they were on terrestrial radio and the E! Channel, or perhaps even having Howard suddenly retire because of the censorship and leave us all stuck paying for these services. These are all nightmare scenarios, and having In Demand censor that one sequence is an alarming step in that direction. For all we know they will decide that all sybian/vagina drill shows are porno no matter how they are edited, or even decide that unblurred evaluation shows are porn. And if they cant show porn now, then what is next? No nudity? No topless girls? Will they censor certain topics the girls are mentioning? What about lesbianism? Who is to say that they wont censor that next? Everyone who now pays for Howard Television remembers how E! gradually began allowing less and less shown until just about everything was blurred or bleeped. The same thin happened with the Infinity radio show. But at least those shows were free. Here we are paying good money for no more bullshit. And that is what we expect. |
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| spointless |
Howard, You need to talk with your people and get the facts straight about the censorship on ONDEMAND. You advertised uncensored shows and there seems to be some kind of controversy over showing penetration.
MUTT from SFN explains this:
“let me explain again, they are not a porn channel and cannot legally air porn. but if I tell you they aren't allowed, they aren't. They want Howard TV on as many cable systems as possible and several of them will not consider a porn channel. that isn't going to change no matter how much you complain
if they had never had the fucking machine girls in, none of you would have any censorship complaints.
go rent porn guys. I hear what you’re saying, but if you feel cheated you shouldn't subscribe. it's not going to get dirtier. “
HOWARD THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN AND VOICED THEIR OPINIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT. WHY NOT GIVE IT TO THEM? YOU FULFILLED THE DEMAND FOR STERN 24 HOURS A DAY ON HOWARD 100. THAT’S WHAT THE PEOPLE WANTED. WHY NOT GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT NOW? ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE PAYING A FEW HUINDRED BUCKS FOR UNCENSORD HOWARD STERN ONDEMAND? THE CUT AWAY SHOTS ARE LIKE DUMP BUTTONS ON TERRESTRIAL RADIO. YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN RESOLVE THIS ISSUE. SO BEFORE YOU WORRY ABOUT MAKING A FEW EXTRA BUCKS EXPANDING THE MARKET ON CABLE SYSTEMS, WHY DON’T YOU MAKE SURE YOU CAN KEEP THE CURRENT SUBSCRIBERS HAPPY? YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE ON THE AIR. IF YOU CHOOSE TO LEAVE YOUR SHOW CENSORD THAN I JUST MIGHT TAKE MUTT’S ADVICE AND CANCEL MY ONDEMAND SUBSCRIPTION. AND YES HOWARD THERE ARE PLEANTY OF US WHO FEEL THIS WAY. CHECK OUT SFN AND LOOK AROUND YOU IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE ME. |
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