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| Ass Boil |
Now the constant BushCo outsourcing is putting our troops in greater danger.
Why the fuck would the DoD be flying 200,000 assault rifles on a corrupt private airline instead of a military plane?
This is getting to be regoddamneddiculous...
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HAVE 200,000 AK47S FALLEN INTO THE HANDS OF IRAQ TERRORISTS?
FEARS OVER SECRET U.S. ARMS SHIPMENT
SOME 200,000 guns the US sent to Iraqi security forces may have been smuggled to terrorists, it was feared yesterday.
The 99-tonne cache of AK47s was to have been secretly flown out from a US base in Bosnia. But the four planeloads of arms have vanished.
Orders for the deal to go ahead were given by the US Department of Defense. But the work was contracted out via a complex web of private arms traders.
And the Moldovan airline used to transport the shipment was blasted by the UN in 2003 for smuggling arms to Liberia, human rights group Amnesty has discovered.
It follows a separate probe claiming that thousands of guns meant for Iraq's police and army instead went to al-Qaeda
Amnesty chief spokesman Mike Blakemore said: "It's unbelievable that no one can account for 200,000 assault rifles. If these weapons have gone missing it's a terrifying prospect." American defence chiefs hired a US firm to take the guns, from the 90s Bosnian war, to Iraq.
But air traffic controllers in Baghdad have no record of the flights, which supposedly took off between July 2004 and July 2005. A coalition forces spokesman confirmed they had not received "any weapons from Bosnia" and added they were "not aware of any purchases for Iraq from Bosnia". Nato and US officials have already voiced fears that Bosnian arms - sold by US, British and Swiss firms - are being passed to insurgents. A Nato spokesman said: "There's no tracking mechanism to ensure they don't fall into the wrong hands. There are concerns that some may have been siphoned off." This year a newspaper claimed two UK firms were involved in a deal in which thousands of guns for Iraqi forces were re-routed to al-Qaeda.
One arms broker's lawyer is said to have admitted that nearly all of a shipment of 1,500 AK-47s went missing. And a US official said £270million of equipment could not be traced.
Meanwhile, Aerocom, the Moldovan air firm at the centre of the 200,000 missing AK47s, was stripped of its licence by its national authorities a day before the first shipment.
Two other companies in the complicated sale claim to have papers proving the guns were delivered in Iraq but refuse to show them.
Amnesty has now called on Britain to clamp down on the arms trade.
Spokeswoman Kate Allen said: "It's out of control and costing hundreds of thousands of lives every year. The UK has a real chance to do something about it when the UN meets in June." |
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| WillowGlen |
| Bush needed to rearm the terrorists. They needed more guns to keep fighting. If the fighting stops he wont have something to distract the sheep from what is really going on in the world. |
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| Ass Boil |
| Just like the weapons depots they deliberately left unguarded, then tried to blame the troops for it... |
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| Crazytree |
| was Paulie Walnuts the logistics officer supervising this shipment? |
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| Ironpirate |
| SEE I SHOULD ENLIST AND FIND THEM < hoy |
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| Ass Boil |
| Yeah. Too bad you're a pussy... |
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| Ironpirate |
| you're a pussy |
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| Ass Boil |
| Clever comeback, coward. |
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| flinch |
| ok kids cut it out or your going in timeout |
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| Max-the-Silent |
What a cluster fuck.
A question left unasked is why did they get the AK's in Bosnia, when the cheapest prices in quantity are found in Romania.
That’s where the AK’s used to arm the Northern Alliance in the ‘Stan came from – there were some quality control issues, but even the bad ones went “bang” when they were supposed to.
At under $100.00 each, what a deal! |
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| Crazytree |
Well we were smuggling arms into that area during the war with the knowledge or assistance of the Iranians.
Wonder if this is part of the same pipeline. |
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| Monster_Zero |
Are you telling me that the US is supplying Soviet weapons?
The AK47 is a weapon made only in Eastern block countries...
Is this yet more outsourcing? :mad: |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by Max-the-Silent
What a cluster fuck.
A question left unasked is why did they get the AK's in Bosnia, when the cheapest prices in quantity are found in Romania.
That’s where the AK’s used to arm the Northern Alliance in the ‘Stan came from – there were some quality control issues, but even the bad ones went “bang” when they were supposed to.
At under $100.00 each, what a deal! |
Maybe we are wrong to assume these are "new" rifles? Could these be weapons we confiscated when we were operating in Bosnia? |
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| Max-the-Silent |
Monster, AK's are used by everybody, often both sides, in every conflict. They are the least expensive, most reliable modern military rifle produced.
Given a choice, with equal logs, I'll pick the AK for anything short of sniping.
PS - there are shitloads of AK's being manufactured in the US for the civilian market, and they're the best quality AK's available.
In the non-combloc world, Israel made 'em, Finland made 'em, Sweden made 'em, and I'm probably leaving somebody out.
Quote: Originally posted by Monster_Zero
Are you telling me that the US is supplying Soviet weapons?
The AK47 is a weapon made only in Eastern block countries...
Is this yet more outsourcing? :mad: |
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| Max-the-Silent |
I don't know firsthand, so I'd hesitate to say one way or the other, but 200K AK's sounds a little high for confiscated arms, and in any case, buying new from the Rommys and shipping from them would stll be cheaper than buying used and shipping from Bosnia.
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
Maybe we are wrong to assume these are "new" rifles? Could these be weapons we confiscated when we were operating in Bosnia? |
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| Crazytree |
Quote: Originally posted by Monster_Zero
Are you telling me that the US is supplying Soviet weapons?
The AK47 is a weapon made only in Eastern block countries...
Is this yet more outsourcing? :mad: |
AK-47 is a much better and cheaper weapon than the M-16A2 and its variants.
we've been equipping armies with them for YEARS due to its simplicity of use [easy to train] and price [$100 new]. |
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| Monster_Zero |
Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
AK-47 is a much better and cheaper weapon than the M-16A2 and its variants.
we've been equipping armies with them for YEARS due to its simplicity of use [easy to train] and price [$100 new]. |
Sure cheaper... everything made in China is...
I would like to see some evidence that AK's are being mass produced in America, that we have been equipping armies with them for years, and where I can buy one for anything less than 8 times [$100new]
Pretty, please? :) |
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| ihatecabbie |
Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
AK-47 is a much better and cheaper weapon than the M-16A2 and its variants.
we've been equipping armies with them for YEARS due to its simplicity of use [easy to train] and price [$100 new]. |
Maybe we should just train them so that they have the ninja skills you do.
:funny: |
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| Crazytree |
with the AK you have to pull the bolt back into a disengaged position which actually makes a lot of sense if you handle the weapon.
AKs are not being mass produced in America, nobody said they were. they can be bought openly on the international arms market.
and yes, the point is to train them to utilize the rifles as "Rifle Experts", like I shot at Edson range. |
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| Monster_Zero |
Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
AKs are not being mass produced in America, nobody said they were. they can be bought openly on the international arms market.
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Max did...
Quote: Originally posted by Max-the-Silent
[B]PS - there are shitloads of AK's being manufactured in the US for the civilian market, and they're the best quality AK's available. |
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| Max-the-Silent |
Hey CT,
Could you describe to me a rifle where you don't "disengage" the bolt?
And no AK ever made, even the US examples, are intended to be used as target rifles. Even with the best hand-rolled ammo and the best selected components, no AK will ever be the equal of a National Match 14 or 16 at Camp Perry.
Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
with the AK you have to pull the bolt back into a disengaged position which actually makes a lot of sense if you handle the weapon.
AKs are not being mass produced in America, nobody said they were. they can be bought openly on the international arms market.
and yes, the point is to train them to utilize the rifles as "Rifle Experts", like I shot at Edson range. |
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| Crazytree |
bolt into disengaged position and locking it manually into a notch in the reciever vs. a conventional trigger safety.
this is the only rifle I've ever handled where the sole safety was operated by bolt disengagement. |
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| yamahafan1000 |
Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
bolt into disengaged position and locking it manually into a notch in the reciever vs. a conventional trigger safety.
this is the only rifle I've ever handled where the sole safety was operated by bolt disengagement. |
While that is a nice safety feature the sound of taking the safety off on an AK (in my experience) is rather loud and it requires moving your away from the shooting position. That being said the AK is a great all purpose military weapon. |
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| Max-the-Silent |
Short of an aftermaket safety designed by and sold by Ron Powers, or the Chinese mag w/ the follower modified to hold back the bolt, there is no way to lock back the bolt in an AK.
And FTR, the actual safety in an AK does block the trigger mecahanisim - the external safety itself only prohibits the bolt from moving far enough to te rear to strip a round from the mag - when the safety is in the full "up" position.
If you have a defective safety in an AK, you can load a round, put the safety lever into the full up position, squeeze the trigger, and the piece will go "bang" - it just won't be able to load the next round up into the chamber.
Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
bolt into disengaged position and locking it manually into a notch in the reciever vs. a conventional trigger safety.
this is the only rifle I've ever handled where the sole safety was operated by bolt disengagement. |
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| Crazytree |
the AK [or variant] that I familiarized myself with had a bolt that could be locked back as such:
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the bolt was pulled all the way back and then up and was locked in place by a notch in the reciever. |
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| Max-the-Silent |
CT, you must be confusing the HK recoil operated series of rifles with the AK types - on no AK variants can you pull the bolt anywhere other than straight back to the rear - the bolt carrier rides in the reciver rails, and the cocking stud is part of the carrier. It can't be moved independent of the carrier.
On the HK the cocking lever is on the left side of the cocking tube, and there's is a notch at the rear of the cocking tube where you can rotate the cocking lever up and into.
C-pic of my HK 53 with the bolt locked to the rear.
Compare with this pic of my AKR
Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
the AK [or variant] that I familiarized myself with had a bolt that could be locked back as such:
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the bolt was pulled all the way back and then up and was locked in place by a notch in the reciever. |
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| Crazytree |
| might have been a SKS variant. |
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| Max-the-Silent |
SKS rifles locks open on the last round, like an M1 Garand - the bolt just stays to the rear until you reload, or depress the follower.
I don't know WTF you were handling, but it wasn't combloc.
Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
might have been a SKS variant. |
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