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| yamahafan1000 |
So to all of you Hispanic apologists, Robinsmuff, CT et al lets hear the explaination for this. I can only wish that the 61% who don't graduate would come live in your neighborhoods.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...n1.3800347.html
Jay P. Greene: There's a dropout crisis in Dallas public schools
There's a dropout crisis in Dallas public schools, says JAY P. GREENE
08:58 AM CDT on Wednesday, May 3, 2006
Just about everyone knows that Dallas schools are performing poorly, but sometimes it is useful to remind ourselves exactly how severe the problem really is.
In a new Manhattan Institute study, I estimate that barely half of the students who enter the city's public schools earn a diploma. Further, Hispanic males are disproportionably likely to suffer from the dropout epidemic. Unless Dallas pursues dramatic reform of its school system, half of its students will be condemned to a life of limited opportunities.
For the class of 2003, the most recent year for which data are available, I calculate that the overall graduation rate in Dallas was only 54 percent. The odds that a student entering the ninth grade in Dallas public schools will earn a regular diploma are hardly better than a coin toss. This horrific graduation rate is low even when compared to other large metro school districts. Of the 100 largest school districts in the United States, Dallas public schools rank 80th in overall graduation rate.
Other large urban school districts, such as Philadelphia and Long Beach, Calif., graduate a substantially higher percentage of their students than does Dallas, though none of these other districts performs particularly well either. Ysleta ISD near El Paso is able to produce a graduation rate of 84 percent despite a similarly high minority student population. Clearly, demography is not destiny. Schools can and should make a difference.
Things are even worse for male students in Dallas, particularly Hispanic males. While 52 percent of Hispanic females graduate, slightly less than the national average, only 39 percent of Hispanic males in Dallas earn a regular diploma, far lower than the national rate (49 percent) and lower than most other major metropolitan school districts.
In part, minority males probably are leaving school because they are not learning sufficient skills for attendance to be worth their time. When students don't have the basic skills to benefit from staying in school, minority males, in particular, might find short-term opportunities in the marketplace more attractive and are thus enticed out of the classroom. These opportunities could include jobs in construction or even in the underground economy.
If Dallas is to improve its graduation rate, it needs to improve academic achievement so that the opportunities provided by schooling – better-paying jobs over the long-term and the opportunity to go to college – outweigh the short-term pull of the labor market for dropouts.
How do we improve academic proficiency? Promising reforms focus on improving the incentives for educators to produce success for their students. Unfortunately, there are no meaningful consequences to educators for making wise or foolish decisions about the education of children. If children fail to acquire the basic skills that would permit them to learn, stay in school and graduate, no one besides the child is punished. There are also no rewards for successful educators who prevent these failures.
The district should look toward systemic reforms that can improve student academic proficiency by altering the incentives for educators. In particular, Dallas should consider programs that strengthen the accountability faced by public schools and their employees, such as merit pay for teachers or sanctioning low-performing schools more strongly. DISD might also consider school choice policies, such as vouchers or charter schools, which empower dissatisfied parents by allowing them to take their child to another school. Research has shown that reforms that focus on incentives can significantly improve performance.
To be certain, Dallas is not alone in the graduation crisis. There is near consensus that too few students across the nation earn a diploma each year. However, DISD is a major offender and needs to look for ways to improve the education it provides. When graduating high school is only a 50-50 proposition, it is time to consider dramatic changes to the system.
Jay P. Greene holds an endowed chair in education reform at the University of Arkansas and is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute. His e-mail address is edresearch@sbcglobal.net. |
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| armyofbees |
| alright, we get it - you're a bigot and nobody is as great and wonderful as mighty whitey. |
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| yamahafan1000 |
Quote: Originally posted by armyofbees
alright, we get it - you're a bigot and nobody is as great and wonderful as mighty whitey. |
Wow you used insults, how suprising. Care to try to explain these findings? |
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| DREAD |
Quote: Originally posted by armyofbees
alright, we get it - you're a bigot and nobody is as great and wonderful as mighty whitey. |
You sir are guilty of an ad hom. Argue the facts if you can or go back to GC. These are facts- simple facts and a sign that we need to slow the immigration from Mexico to a rate that we can assimilate.
By slowing the rate, we can teach more of them more effectively.
Calling facts racist is an illogical argument.
Yamaha- it is hear not here- just say'n |
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| Douchebag_AZ |
Quote: Originally posted by armyofbees
alright, we get it - you're a bigot and nobody is as great and wonderful as mighty whitey. |
LOL.... |
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| yamahafan1000 |
Quote: Originally posted by Douchebag_AZ
LOL.... |
Care to provide an explaination for these reults? |
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| WillowGlen |
| So much for the "success" of Bushs No child left behind program. |
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| thoroldjames |
Quote: Originally posted by WillowGlen
So much for the "success" of Bushs No child left behind program. |
that's a fact, that is invulnerable to attack.
this article even states that in elpaso nearly 85% of students graduate, and that school district has just a high percentage of hispanics as dallas.
maybe the real story is that the dallas school board is doing a piss
poor job of educating students.
another thing i'll never understand is why we allow children(under 18) to make the decision to drop out?of course the answer is if that these kids were to stay in school money would have to be spent to educate them. |
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| yamahafan1000 |
Quote: Originally posted by thoroldjames
that's a fact, that is invulnerable to attack.
this article even states that in elpaso nearly 85% of students graduate, and that school district has just a high percentage of hispanics as dallas.
maybe the real story is that the dallas school board is doing a piss
poor job of educating students.
another thing i'll never understand is why we allow children(under 18) to make the decision to drop out?of course the answer is if that these kids were to stay in school money would have to be spent to educate them. |
Thats an iteresting stat they provide about the school near El Paso; however in order to make any sensible comparison one would need to normalize for things like parents education, IQ, SES etc to make sure that is an apples to apples comparison. The fact that this study did not do that, for ANY school leads me to believe they did not like the results.
By the time a kid is 16 or so a non parent telling the kid to stay in school is not likely to have much effect. Still worth trying though. |
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| Douchebag_AZ |
Quote: Originally posted by yamahafan1000
Care to provide an explaination for these reults? |
Someone missed thier Klan meeting! |
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| thoroldjames |
Quote: Originally posted by yamahafan1000
Thats an iteresting stat they provide about the school near El Paso; however in order to make any sensible comparison one would need to normalize for things like parents education, IQ, SES etc to make sure that is an apples to apples comparison. The fact that this study did not do that, for ANY school leads me to believe they did not like the results.
By the time a kid is 16 or so a non parent telling the kid to stay in school is not likely to have much effect. Still worth trying though. |
non-parents telling kids to stay in school worked for decades, societies used to have truant officers, those kids who refused to go were placed in what would essentially be called boot camps to complete there education.
and yes you could take them away, they would be breaking the law,plain and simple.
and the cost of these types of boys home would surely be offset
by lower crime rates(less prisons), and lower welfare rates.
even better, at 18 don't have a high school diplome(or on the way to getting it), you're in the army. |
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| yamahafan1000 |
Quote: Originally posted by thoroldjames
non-parents telling kids to stay in school worked for decades, societies used to have truant officers, those kids who refused to go were placed in what would essentially be called boot camps to complete there education.
and yes you could take them away, they would be breaking the law,plain and simple.
and the cost of these types of boys home would surely be offset
by lower crime rates(less prisons), and lower welfare rates.
even better, at 18 don't have a high school diplome(or on the way to getting it), you're in the army. |
I don't know if involuntary servitude in the army is the answer, although it may help at least give these kids some dicipline. One aspect however is the the military has an IQ cut off of 85. It just so happens that the median BLack IQ is 85. So HALF of all blacks in this country are INELIGIBLE for military service.
I provided an answer for this problem in a previous post about education. Simply provied a tiered educational system and separate kids by IQ. The low IQ kids, the ones that are most likely to drop out, should be given a basic education stressing the three R's. To try to force a kid with an IQ of 85 to keep up with kids with IQ's of 100 will simply overhwelm that kid and they will get frustrated and quit. I suspect that in many cases this is whats happening. Teach the to read, write and basic math and bring back vocational education to allow these kids to learn a trade, like construction, auto mechanics etc.
Yes we used to have officers to keep these kids in line, however since the vast majority of them were Black and Hispanic, they had to stop diciplining these kids or else they would appear to be discriminating. Political Correctness has truely been the root cause of most of our problems. |
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| DREAD |
Quote: Originally posted by Douchebag_AZ
Someone missed thier Klan meeting! |
Someone missed the turn at Agua Prietas and this thing we call a border.... |
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| yamahafan1000 |
Quote: Originally posted by Douchebag_AZ
Someone missed thier Klan meeting! |
Wow that really put me in my place. I see your point of view now. I guess everything is OK in Dallas. These kids are graduating and will become productive citizens. I can only hope they will ALL move to your neighborhood and enrich your life. |
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| Crazytree |
| what really put you in your place is the fact that you don't know what your tax bracket is and the fact that we've proven you don't even have a job. |
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| yamahafan1000 |
Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
what really put you in your place is the fact that you don't know what your tax bracket is and the fact that we've proven you don't even have a job. |
Your deflecting. You have not discussed why these hispanic kids are dropping out of school at such an alarming rate. Lets see you actually discuss the the topic at hand. |
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| jigzaw |
Quote: Originally posted by DREAD
You sir are guilty of an ad hom. Argue the facts if you can or go back to GC. These are facts- simple facts and a sign that we need to slow the immigration from Mexico to a rate that we can assimilate.
By slowing the rate, we can teach more of them more effectively.
Calling facts racist is an illogical argument.
Yamaha- it is hear not here- just say'n |
Dread, I'm with you on illegal immigration, but Yamaha has a history here of arguing that non-white people are inferior animals based on genetic differences in the brains of the different races.
So, while his original post in this thread might not actually SAY anything racist, if you're familiar with his views it's obvious what he's getting at.
He's been taken in by that totally debunked Klan manifesto The Bell Curve, and seems to not have been interested in the volumes of research since then that disprove the idea that people with different skin colors are of different species.
He's even on shakier ground with the Hispanic thing, because he doesn't seem to realize that Hispanic is not a race. There are white Hispanics, black Hispanics, etc.. and Spain is a white European country. |
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| yamahafan1000 |
Quote: Originally posted by jigzaw
Dread, I'm with you on illegal immigration, but Yamaha has a history here of arguing that non-white people are inferior animals based on genetic differences in the brains of the different races. |
Try this on for size:
http://www.ssc.uwo.ca/psychology/fa...npdfs/PPPL1.pdf
I have never described anyone as inferior ( only different).
If there are no GENETIC differences between races then how can companies like this
http://www.dnaancestryproject.com/
tell your race by DNA analysis? Keep in mind you have to answer this using NON GENETIC information. You must also cite all sources.
Quote: Originally posted by jigzaw
So, while his original post in this thread might not actually SAY anything racist, if you're familiar with his views it's obvious what he's getting at.
He's been taken in by that totally debunked Klan manifesto The Bell Curve, and seems to not have been interested in the volumes of research since then that disprove the idea that people with different skin colors are of different species. |
Post a link that has taken the 800 pages in the Bell Curve and reprinted the 800+ figures they present that show that the origional analysis is incorrect? Lets see some links that show where in that book they authors ever said people of different races were different species? Did you even read that book? How can you argue about book you never read? Lets see the volumes of research that shows they are wrong. Not some website mind you, I am talking about peer reviewed scientific research such as the link below.
Here read this link, same results:
http://www.ssc.uwo.ca/psychology/fa...npdfs/PPPL1.pdf
Quote: Originally posted by jigzaw
He's even on shakier ground with the Hispanic thing, because he doesn't seem to realize that Hispanic is not a race. There are white Hispanics, black Hispanics, etc.. and Spain is a white European country. |
I fully understand that Hispanics are not a race, merely posting an article about differences in achievment that ALWAYS fit a pattern. You are correct in noting this. It would be more accurate for our statistical purposes to do away with this terminology and use more accurate racial classifications. That way a white Hispanic is not lumped into the same catagory as the Mixed mesitzo hispanics. Evidence for this can be seen simply by looking at the leaders of the Mexico and other central American countries, most of them are racially white and look nothing like the guys standing outside the Home Depot. |
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| Crazytree |
Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
what really put you in your place is the fact that you don't know what your tax bracket is and the fact that we've proven you don't even have a job. |
answer this and I will thoughtfully and thoroughly answer any question of your choosing. |
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| yamahafan1000 |
Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
answer this and I will thoughtfully and thoroughly answer any question of your choosing. |
You haven't asked a question. You made a statement. I am not going to give out my personal information over the net to some people on a message board. I am not asking personal info from you or anyone else. If you chooose to talk of this information for yourself that is your choice. I merely posted a newspaper article and added a few comments. |
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| Crazytree |
admit or deny you are unemployed.
if you are employed, explain how you were not aware if you were or were not in the 10% tax bracket.
these are generic answers that apply to 100,000,000 people and are in no way to be construed as "personal information". |
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| yamahafan1000 |
Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
admit or deny you are unemployed.
if you are employed, explain how you were not aware if you were or were not in the 10% tax bracket.
these are generic answers that apply to 100,000,000 people and are in no way to be construed as "personal information". |
I am employed. I do not sit around comparing my income to everyone elses. If by 10% do you mean the top or bottom 10%. I am certain that I am in neither catagory. Probably right about at the median for the country as a whole. |
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| HotShotMagic |
Quote: Originally posted by yamahafan1000
I am employed. I do not sit around comparing my income to everyone elses. If by 10% do you mean the top or bottom 10%. I am certain that I am in neither catagory. Probably right about at the median for the country as a whole. |
Tax Brackets as in 10%, 15%, 25%, 28%, 33%, 35%... When you and or your accountant or preparer sit down to do the return...
Following the adjustments (deductions) of your income, the chart will dictate which bracket you fall in and the tax liability you are responsible for. |
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| Douchebag_AZ |
Quote: Originally posted by yamahafan1000
Wow that really put me in my place. I see your point of view now. I guess everything is OK in Dallas. These kids are graduating and will become productive citizens. I can only hope they will ALL move to your neighborhood and enrich your life. |
Does it really bother you that much or is your life so incomplete that you have to put that much negative energy into teenagers.? So they are flunkies, they will be no better than the white trailer park trash that burden our K-marts, no better than the lazy black kids who dont like to work... |
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| Crazytree |
Quote: Originally posted by yamahafan1000
I am employed. I do not sit around comparing my income to everyone elses. If by 10% do you mean the top or bottom 10%. I am certain that I am in neither catagory. Probably right about at the median for the country as a whole. |
sorry you still don't know what a "tax bracket" is. I have a hard time believing you are employed, or alternatively, have enough income where you have to pay taxes. |
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| yamahafan1000 |
Quote: Originally posted by Douchebag_AZ
Does it really bother you that much or is your life so incomplete that you have to put that much negative energy into teenagers.? So they are flunkies, they will be no better than the white trailer park trash that burden our K-marts, no better than the lazy black kids who dont like to work... |
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While it is true that we have white trailer park trash and lazy blacks at the end of the day it is about percentages. If we let in millions of people who as a group 61% don't graduate high school that makes this country worse not better. The percentage of white kids who fall into that catagory is much lower. The percentage for blacks appears to be about the same:
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs98/98038.pdf
So the more of the underperfoming groups the worse the country will be. We will see higher crime rates, higher taxes, worse living conditions etc. We will see the home prices in the white communities rise beyond inflation, and the home values outside fall or stagnate. This already happens in most cities, we will simply have more of it. As things progress we will move closer to the situation in Mexico. Where 5% of the population owns 90% of the wealth and everyone else is fighting for scraps. So yes it bothers me, this is my country and I want to try to protect it so that it will be there for my kids and grandkids. I don't want to have to live in a gated community and have to worry about leaving that gated community for fear of crime, kidnappings etc, like the situation in Mexico. If these things don't bother you then you have probably never really left your gated community and spent some time in the ghettos to see the situation there.
The biggest problem is if I have to pay for the mistakes of others. If my taxes go up while the quality of schools and other social services go down, then in the end this affects me regardless of where I live. |
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| Turbo_Nerd_Eric |
Quote: Originally posted by yamahafan1000
Try this on for size:
http://www.ssc.uwo.ca/psychology/fa...npdfs/PPPL1.pdf
I have never described anyone as inferior ( only different).
If there are no GENETIC differences between races then how can companies like this
http://www.dnaancestryproject.com/
tell your race by DNA analysis? Keep in mind you have to answer this using NON GENETIC information. You must also cite all sources.
Post a link that has taken the 800 pages in the Bell Curve and reprinted the 800+ figures they present that show that the origional analysis is incorrect? Lets see some links that show where in that book they authors ever said people of different races were different species?
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Guess what women have different DNA too. Just because blacks have different DNA does not automatically mean that the are less intelligent. There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity.
"This Jobs for the Future report looks at whether our society makes good on its promise of a second chance for young people who have dropped out of high school. Among the myths shattered by the research review: dropping out is not just a problem of the poor, but socioeconomic status—not race—is a key indicator for dropping out. Black and Hispanic youth are no more likely to drop out than their white peers in the same socioeconomic group."Black and Hispanic youth are no more likely to drop out than their white peers in the same socioeconomic group." |
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| Turbo_Nerd_Eric |
Table 1. Status dropout rates and number and percentage distribution of dropouts ages 16-24, by selected characteristics: October 2002
Characteristic Status dropout
rate (percent) Number of status
dropouts
(thousands) Population
(thousands) Percent of all
dropouts Percent of
population
Total 10.5 3,721 35,495 100.0 100.0
Sex
Male 11.8 2,108 17,893 56.7 50.4
Female 9.2 1,612 17,602 43.3 49.6
Race/ethnicity1
Asian/Pacific Islander 3.9 65 1,652 1.7 4.7
Black 11.3 564 4,991 15.1 14.1
White 6.5 1,457 22,358 39.2 63.0
Hispanic 25.7 1,572 6,120 42.3 17.2
Age
16 3.1 125 4,072 3.4 11.5
17 5.4 221 4,056 5.9 11.4
18 10.3 417 4,031 11.2 11.4
19 12.1 467 3,876 12.6 10.9
20–24 12.8 2,491 19,461 66.9 54.8
Immigration status Born outside the 50 states and the District of Columbia
Hispanic 41.4 1,127 2,721 30.3 7.7
Non-Hispanic 5.3 113 2,107 3.0 5.9
First generation2
Hispanic 14.4 284 1,978 7.6 5.6
Non-Hispanic 3.5 69 1,997 1.9 5.6
Second generation or more3
Hispanic 11.3 160 1,421 4.3 4.0
Non-Hispanic 7.8 1,967 25,272 52.9 71.2
Region
Northeast 9.5 622 6,518 16.7 18.4
Midwest 9.0 758 8,460 20.4 23.8
South 12.2 1,458 11,997 39.2 33.8
West 10.4 882 8,520 23.7 24.0
Please note that the drop out rates for Hispanics drops significantly with each generation. This proves it is not a matter of genetics but of cultural disadvantages and poverty. |
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| yamahafan1000 |
Quote: Originally posted by Turbo_Nerd_Eric
Guess what women have different DNA too. Just because blacks have different DNA does not automatically mean that the are less intelligent. There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity.
"This Jobs for the Future report looks at whether our society makes good on its promise of a second chance for young people who have dropped out of high school. Among the myths shattered by the research review: dropping out is not just a problem of the poor, but socioeconomic status—not race—is a key indicator for dropping out. Black and Hispanic youth are no more likely to drop out than their white peers in the same socioeconomic group."Black and Hispanic youth are no more likely to drop out than their white peers in the same socioeconomic group." |
Please post a link for this report. Others I have seen have suggested otherwise. Also note that by controlling for "socioeconomic status" what you are really doing is controlling for IQ by proxy. People of similar IQ tend to have similar SES, the correlation for IQ and SES is .7, a very high score. |
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| yamahafan1000 |
Quote: Originally posted by Turbo_Nerd_Eric
Please note that the drop out rates for Hispanics drops significantly with each generation. This proves it is not a matter of genetics but of cultural disadvantages and poverty. |
This does not "PROVE" anything. This does not account for the IQ of those that have been here longer. The first immigrants were likely legal, and tend to follow the rules, ie therefore they are more likely to support education and such. The better test would be to test the IQ of the previous generations and compare that to the current situation where many of the Hispanics are illegal.
At the end of the day you are arguing a moot point. The newspaper article merely states that in Dallas City high schools only about 39% of Hispanics graduate.
The data you are posting does not tell us how that data is collected, what are their controls, how representative is their data, what questions did they ask. For example I have seen some reports that try to use the graduation rates of high school seniors. However such flawed research completely ignors all those that have dropped out before they ever got to be a senior. Post a link for this information.
Here are the government data
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs98/98038.pdf
Keep in mind also that Hispanic is not a very useful term since what we are really talking about are racial differences and hispanic is not a race. The question that your data brings up then is why is education so poorly prized in places like Mexico. Why are so many of them illiterate? Why are so many dropping out once they get here? The national data I posted suggests that the grad rate for Hispanics is about on par with blacks.
Also note you have not adressed this at all:
http://www.ssc.uwo.ca/psychology/fa...npdfs/PPPL1.pdf |
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| Turbo_Nerd_Eric |
Quote: Originally posted by yamahafan1000
Please post a link for this report. Others I have seen have suggested otherwise. Also note that by controlling for "socioeconomic status" what you are really doing is controlling for IQ by proxy. People of similar IQ tend to have similar SES, the correlation for IQ and SES is .7, a very high score. |
Man you are out of it. You just made my point. SES helps determine IQ. The reason IQ and SES are so close is because of a lack of education. IQ has nothing to do with native intellegence. People with high IQ'a are better test takers but not neccessarily any smarter.
The fact that you believe IQ is controlable shows that education can change the outcome, which means that it has nothing to do with genitic make up.
I have gone to school with many middle class blacks and they graduated at the same level as whites. That might just be a California thing though. |
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| Turbo_Nerd_Eric |
Low IQ does not lead to low SES.
Low SES = low IQ.
In other words we could change it if we don't give up and just say. "Oh they are born stupid." |
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| yamahafan1000 |
Quote: Originally posted by Turbo_Nerd_Eric
Low IQ does not lead to low SES.
Low SES = low IQ.
In other words we could change it if we don't give up and just say. "Oh they are born stupid." |
Do you have any evidence what so ever of this. Any data that has been published in a peer reviewed scientific journal that suggests this is true?
IQ tests do not merely measure test taking ability, if that is the case then how can you give a good IQ test (like Ravens Progrsessive Matricies ) to a group of American blacks and they average 85, while the same test given to some kids in Korea who can't even speak english and they average 105? The best IQ tests don't even require the test taker to be able to read or write in english. You obviously ignored the link I provided.
http://www.ssc.uwo.ca/psychology/fa...npdfs/PPPL1.pdf
http://www.ssc.uwo.ca/psychology/fa...npdfs/PPPL1.pdf
THis article also details the adoption study which you can read about here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnes..._Adoption_Study
The results clearly show that putting black kids in to the homes of white college educated parents did NOT increase the IQ of these kids. Also note that they had a control group of mixed race kids that the adopted parents were told were black and NOT mixed race. This controlled for any outside factors that the parents may do to stunt the IQ of the black kids. If the parents were doing something then you would expect the mixed kids IQ to be the same as the pure black kids. If genetics plays a role you would expect the IQ of mixed kids to be half way between the two groups.
The results speak for themselves:
White avg 107
Black 89
Mixed 97 just about half way, as you would expect if genes were the most prevalent factor in IQ.
Simply put IQ is at least 50% genetic. The best way to determine if something is geneitc is to look at identical (genetic identity) twins seperated at birth and raised in different enviroments. The amount that the variable is similar (correlation) is the amount that genes are controlling. The best data on IQ in identical twins is from The Minnisota Twin Tstudy, this study suggest that it is 75% genetic. To date NO evidence suggests that improving envrioment will improve IQ. All attempts to do so have failed. If you read the ORIGIONAL wording of the head start program that is what it was all for, to increase the low IQ of black students. Billions of dollars later it has been shown to be a complete failure. You are rehashing old arguments from the 1960's that fail to address the research on this subject since then. The first link I provided is a review paper that covers everything that has been published about IQ and race differences since the late 60's. It blows all your arguments out of the water. Read up. |
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| Turbo_Nerd_Eric |
Kids are still discriminated against when they have white parents. A white person cannot teach a black child how to cope with racism. By people like you. Did they test middle class blacks with black children?
Assuming what you say is true what is your answer then? What is your conclusion? Shall we re-enslave them? |
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| Douchebag_AZ |
Quote: Originally posted by yamahafan1000
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While it is true that we have white trailer park trash and lazy blacks at the end of the day it is about percentages. If we let in millions of people who as a group 61% don't graduate high school that makes this country worse not better. The percentage of white kids who fall into that catagory is much lower. The percentage for blacks appears to be about the same:
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs98/98038.pdf
So the more of the underperfoming groups the worse the country will be. We will see higher crime rates, higher taxes, worse living conditions etc. We will see the home prices in the white communities rise beyond inflation, and the home values outside fall or stagnate. This already happens in most cities, we will simply have more of it. As things progress we will move closer to the situation in Mexico. Where 5% of the population owns 90% of the wealth and everyone else is fighting for scraps. So yes it bothers me, this is my country and I want to try to protect it so that it will be there for my kids and grandkids. I don't want to have to live in a gated community and have to worry about leaving that gated community for fear of crime, kidnappings etc, like the situation in Mexico. If these things don't bother you then you have probably never really left your gated community and spent some time in the ghettos to see the situation there.
The biggest problem is if I have to pay for the mistakes of others. If my taxes go up while the quality of schools and other social services go down, then in the end this affects me regardless of where I live. |
Remember your also paying for everyones mistakes who voted President Bush in office .. Your paying the saga in Iraq, You are paying for Never catching Bin laden in 5 years ohh yeah and those 4.00 / gallon gas prices .. But some uneducated hispanic kids bother you that much .. |
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| DREAD |
Quote: Originally posted by Douchebag_AZ
Remember your also paying for everyones mistakes who voted President Bush in office .. Your paying the saga in Iraq, You are paying for Never catching Bin laden in 5 years ohh yeah and those 4.00 / gallon gas prices .. But some uneducated Hispanic kids bother you that much .. |
The two are wholly different topics. Please stay on topic and refrain from deflection. You are close to the same level of intellect as CT.
The inability of migrating Hispanics to pass high school is startling. Here in California they cannot even demonstrate 9th grade proficiency in math. Math is universal. We need to stem the flow and assimilate what we have.
Stay on topic and debate the facts of the post. |
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| yamahafan1000 |
Quote: Originally posted by Turbo_Nerd_Eric
Kids are still discriminated against when they have white parents. A white person cannot teach a black child how to cope with racism. |
Pherhaps but how do you reconcile the fact that the mixed race kids (whose parents and themselves were led to belive they were only black) had scores half way between the two groups? Are we to believe that society knows the difference and discriminates half as much? Sounds a little far fetched once you know the facts.
Quote: Originally posted by Turbo_Nerd_Eric
By people like you. Did they test middle class blacks with black children? |
Thats a good experiment. The point of this experiment was to see EXTREMES of enviroment from poor blacks to wealthy educated whites. THe problem you would have with your experiment would be finding enough middle class blacks who adopt. The VAST majority of adoptive parents are white. For a control you would also need white kids adopted by black parents, something I have never actually witnessed.
Quote: Originally posted by Turbo_Nerd_Eric
Assuming what you say is true what is your answer then? What is your conclusion? Shall we re-enslave them? |
Slavery was retarded, it hasn't gotten any less so. Simply end all racial preferences. Go back to teaching kids by ability. Give every child an IQ test and group them together by ability so that the teacher isn't slowing down the lesson for the lower IQ kids. That way every kid will learn to the extent of their abilities, white, black etc. For kids in the bottom rung stick to the basics, reading writing and basic math. Spend 12 years teaching the same material if you have to. It does society no good to have a curriculum that is based for an "average" stuent and try to teach all kids the same stuff. Those of lower ability will get frustrated, and drop out without learning anything. By teaching each group to the extent of their abilities we can ensure that even the lower IQ group will have the basic skills needed to hold down a job. By stemming illegal immigration we will give our own low IQ people (white, black hispanic etc) a chance to hold a job that will pay for the basics such as a house and family. That will end the need for welfare and reduce crime. It will require us to acknowledge that some groups will be overrepresented in the high IQ classes (whites and asians) and others will be over rep in the lower classes (blacks and hispanics). This has nothing to due with rascism or discrimination, just mother nature. |
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| Turbo_Nerd_Eric |
The only problem with your reply is that you forget that people of lower IQ benifit from being around smarter people.
Also you are going to cause class seperation based on race so that all expectations for minorities are lowered. This is an extreme disadvantage to above IQ minorities.
What you are proposing would lead to race riolts |
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| robbylegend |
| Well in new york city only 33% of whites graduate high school ,and 41% percent Blacks graduate.What does that tell you? |
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| yamahafan1000 |
Quote: Originally posted by Turbo_Nerd_Eric
The only problem with your reply is that you forget that people of lower IQ benifit from being around smarter people. |
Some evidence for this please? This was the argument that led to Brown vs the Board of education, that black kids could not learn unless they were in a class with white kids. Once Brown passed and white parents fled the cities , they started cross town bussing. After 50 years of this we can conclusively say the being aroung high IQ people does NOT increase your IQ. It also does not help the low IQ kids be better students. On the contrary I can make the argument that having low IQ kids in a class with high IQ kids causes harm to the high IQ kids because the low IQ kid will slow the progress of the entire class room. Go find a teacher and ask them if having one stupid, disruptive (because they are overhwelmed by the material) child in a class room can dirupt the class so that noone is learning.
Quote: Originally posted by Turbo_Nerd_Eric
Also you are going to cause class seperation based on race so that all expectations for minorities are lowered. This is an extreme disadvantage to above IQ minorities. |
No in my model high IQ minorities would be in the class with other high IQ people, no mention of race is even necessary. Nobody's expectations are lowered. It is better to know the facts then to be constantly wondering. If you know that the average IQ of a black person is 85, and you know that affirmative action will allow a lower IQ black into a school they otherwise were unqualified for, what will you think next time you get sick and a black doctor comes walking in?, Perhaps a black airline pilot? Simple fact that by ignoring the facts, and passing unqualified minorities already calls into doubt the achievments of high IQ minorities and that is a disservice to everyone.
Quote: Originally posted by Turbo_Nerd_Eric
What you are proposing would lead to race riolts |
Newsflash we already have race riots. We had them in the 60's, thats why the whole mess started. They pop up all the time, just watch the news. The last one was in Toledo back in October. I refuse to be bullied into submission because of the inablity of a group of people to understand scientific facts. Basing expensive social policy on sound scientific data is never a bad idea. My model would allow everyone to achieve the best to their potential and it would make everyone responsible for their own actions.
RIght now if a black man succeeds, it is because he is smart and hard working. If he fails it is because white people are evil. If a hispanic succeeds it is because he came here for a better life and is living the American dream. If he fails it is becuase white people are evil. If a white man suceeds it is because he is privaleged. If he fails it is because he is lazy. Without any REAL scientific evidence ALL white people are made to feel guilty for the failures of entire groups of people. We are made to pay for their mistakes or the twists of mother nature.
Denying reality while forcing the most productive people of your society to pay for it WILL Lead to race riots. |
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| yamahafan1000 |
Quote: Originally posted by robbylegend
Well in new york city only 33% of whites graduate high school ,and 41% percent Blacks graduate.What does that tell you? |
That NEW YORK city schools suck. THey are also some of the most expensive in the country, what does that tell you? I would argue that is this case you are looking at "restriction of range". Simply put the whites that are in the city public schools are the bottom of the barrel and are not likely representative as a whole. Chances are any white parent (or black, asian, hispanic etc) with firing nueron in their head would have pulled their kids out of those city schools and put them into a private school or moved to the subburbs. Also where is this data from? How was it collected? For example if you take the count of white kids in 1st grade and then count how many graduate from the CITY SCHOOLS you come up with 33%. However what you missed is that most parents may start their kid in a public school for elementary and then move them to a private school in middle school. Data collected in this fashion would show a high "not graduating" rate for the people who were most likely to send their kid to private school. |
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| Turbo_Nerd_Eric |
Quote: Originally posted by yamahafan1000
Denying reality while forcing the most productive people of your society to pay for it WILL Lead to race riots. |
How's that?
The race riots of the 60's was in response to overwhelming discrimination. You think whites are going to riot because of what? |
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| yamahafan1000 |
Quote: Originally posted by Turbo_Nerd_Eric
How's that?
The race riots of the 60's was in response to overwhelming discrimination. |
That is what is happening now. Whites are discriminated against to promote minorities. The difference is before it was blacks being discriminated against in a society they had practically no hand in building. Now the government is discriminating against the very people who built this country. Try to imagine the China discriminating against their own citizens to help whties or anyone else succeed. How about the Japanese, Mexicans? It sounds absurd whereever you try to apply it, including the US.
Quote: Originally posted by Turbo_Nerd_Eric
You think whites are going to riot because of what? |
As we allow more people in the country who qualify for these programs Affirmatve action etc, the costs will go up. School quality will go down, neighborhoods will be ruined and the costs of everything will go up. All of this burden will be on a shrinking white population that will eventually either die or rebel. THere is really no other choice. Keep in mind if you live in a nice suburb, you have likely never really experienced any of this. Ultimately it is not the children of rich whites (or blacks or anyone else) who pay the price for bad governement policies, it ALWAYS affects the working class first. Just as in the 1960's when blacks moved into the cities it was the working class whites who found their neighborhoods had forever changed and their local schools were destroyed. The rich simply move or send their kids to fancy private schools. As the damage from our current policies pile up so will the number of people who will be affected by it. Eventually this will come to a head, and it won't likely be pretty. |
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| Turbo_Nerd_Eric |
I do not see a lot of eveidence of whites being discriminated against. I have not encountered it in my life.
BTW studiews show that the average Republican voter to be less intelligent then Democrats. Really large difference in the middle of the country.
Based on your theory I think that all Republicans should be removed from positions of responsability. |
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| jigzaw |
Quote: Originally posted by yamahafan1000
It will require us to acknowledge that some groups will be overrepresented in the high IQ classes (whites and asians) and others will be over rep in the lower classes (blacks and hispanics). This has nothing to due with rascism or discrimination, just mother nature. |
Wake up white people! :kkk: |
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| Crazytree |
yamahafan you are a moron.
I find it ironic that an unemployed idiot, who doesn't even know what a tax bracket is, is here talking about how smart white people are.
I would be amazed if your IQ was over 99. |
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| yamahafan1000 |
Quote: Originally posted by Turbo_Nerd_Eric
I do not see a lot of eveidence of whites being discriminated against. I have not encountered it in my life. |
Then your lucky. I will post the news reports from around the country detailing my point. Again these problems ALWAYS affect the working class first.
Quote: Originally posted by Turbo_Nerd_Eric
BTW studiews show that the average Republican voter to be less intelligent then Democrats. Really large difference in the middle of the country. |
Evidence please? You have been harping for days that IQ tests are meaningless, however as soon as you see something you like you suddenly think they are worthwhile. Typical hypocritical liberal. If they show blacks are less inteligent they are racist, if the show that republicans are less intelligent they are accurate. Pick one and stick with it.
Quote: Originally posted by Turbo_Nerd_Eric
Based on your theory I think that all Republicans should be removed from positions of responsability. |
Wholesale government sponsered discrimination. I have never called for removing all blacks from power because some are of lower IQ. You are a hypocrite. I have merely called for a level playing field, you apparently have a problem with that. |
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| Turbo_Nerd_Eric |
Quote: Originally posted by yamahafan1000
Then your lucky. I will post the news reports from around the country detailing my point. Again these problems ALWAYS affect the working class first.
Evidence please? You have been harping for days that IQ tests are meaningless, however as soon as you see something you like you suddenly think they are worthwhile. Typical hypocritical liberal. If they show blacks are less inteligent they are racist, if the show that republicans are less intelligent they are accurate. Pick one and stick with it.
Wholesale government sponsered discrimination. I have never called for removing all blacks from power because some are of lower IQ. You are a hypocrite. I have merely called for a level playing field, you apparently have a problem with that. |
Dude learn to recognized sarcasm. you sound like an idiot |
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| yamahafan1000 |
Quote: Originally posted by Turbo_Nerd_Eric
Dude learn to recognized sarcasm. you sound like an idiot |
Who is the idiot, the one asking questions, or the one too afraid to answer them? |
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| Turbo_Nerd_Eric |
| The one that responds to sarcasm as if it were a real point. |
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| yamahafan1000 |
Quote: Originally posted by Turbo_Nerd_Eric
The one that responds to sarcasm as if it were a real point. |
Sarcasm doesn't translate well on the internet. Stick to the topic. |
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| Reverend Tyler |
Quote: Originally posted by DREAD
Someone missed the turn at Agua Prietas and this thing we call a border.... |
Nothing in the article says anything about people being illegal. You seem to not be able to make any distinction.
Yamaha feels the need to post 3 or 4 extremely racist threads a day because hes too dissapointed that the Race War predicted in the Turner Diaries will never happen. |
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| DREAD |
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler
Nothing in the article says anything about people being illegal. You seem to not be able to make any distinction.
Yamaha feels the need to post 3 or 4 extremely racist threads a day because hes too dissapointed that the Race War predicted in the Turner Diaries will never happen. |
So you are of the opinion that the majority are legal residents? You do not feel that the influx of illegals who have no desire to learn the language or the culture has anything to do with the fact that Hispanics for the most part are not proficient at 9th grade math? Exactly what are you saying than? |
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| Crazytree |
hahaha
Turner Diaries
looks like DREAD has a new nickname. :D |
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| yamahafan1000 |
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler
Nothing in the article says anything about people being illegal. You seem to not be able to make any distinction.
Yamaha feels the need to post 3 or 4 extremely racist threads a day because hes too dissapointed that the Race War predicted in the Turner Diaries will never happen. |
Only in a mad PC world is telling the truth racist. I have provided evidence and data to back up everything I say. This is merely a news article detailing a problem this nation is facing. |
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