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| Ass Boil |
Karl Rove won’t be prosecuted in CIA leak case
Top White House aide was under scrutiny over disclosure of agent’s identity
NBC News and news services
Updated: 7:40 a.m. ET June 13, 2006
WASHINGTON - Top White House aide Karl Rove has been told by prosecutors he won’t be charged with any crimes in the investigation into leak of a CIA officer's identity, his lawyer said Tuesday.
Attorney Robert Luskin said that special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald informed him of the decision on Monday, ending months of speculation about the fate of one of President Bush’s closest advisers. Rove testified five times before a grand jury.
Fitzgerald has already secured a criminal indictment against Vice President Dick Cheney’s former chief of staff, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby.
“On June 12, 2006, Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald formally advised us that he does not anticipate seeking charges against Karl Rove,” Luskin said in a statement.
“In deference to the pending case, we will not make any further public statements about the subject matter of the investigation,” Luskin said. “We believe the special counsel’s decision should put an end to the baseless speculation about Mr. Rove’s conduct.”
Phone call from Fitzgerald
Fitzgerald called Luskin late Monday afternoon to tell him he would not be seeking charges against Rove. Rove had just gotten on a plane, so his lawyer and spokesman did not reach him until he had landed in Manchester, N.H., where he was to give a speech to state GOP officials.
Mark Corallo, a spokesman for Rove, said the White House official “is elated” and said that “we’re done.”
Fitzgerald has been investigating whether senior administration officials intentionally leaked the identity of CIA undercover operative Valerie Plame in retribution because her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, sharply criticized the administration’s pursuit of war in Iraq.
Rove, who most recently appeared before a grand jury in April, has admitted he spoke with columnist Robert Novak and Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper in the days before they published Plame’s name in July 2003.
E-mail and a faulty memory
Rove, however, did not originally tell prosecutors about his conversation with Cooper, only revealing it after his lawyer discovered a White House e-mail that referred to it.
Fitzgerald was investigating whether Rove lied or obstructed justice in failing to initially disclose the conversation. The presidential aide blamed a faulty memory and sought to testify before the grand jury after finding the e-mail to correct his testimony.
The threat of indictment had hung over Rove, the man President Bush dubbed “the architect” of his re-election, even as Rove was focusing on the arduous task of halting Bush’s popularity spiral and keeping Democrats from capturing the House or Senate in November elections.
Fitzgerald’s investigation has been underway since the start of the 2004 election, and the decision not to indict Rove is certain to cheer Republicans concerned about Bush’s low approval ratings and the prospects of a difficult 2006 congressional election.
“The fact is this, I thought it was wrong when you had people like Howard Dean and (Sen.) Harry Reid presuming that he was guilty,” Republican Party Chairman Ken Mehlman told Fox News Channel’s “Fox and Friends” show Tuesday morning.
‘Not so good news’
Democrats, on the other hand, had no reason to cheer the development.
“Good news for the White House, not so good news for America,” Dean, the Democratic Party chairman, said Tuesday on NBC’s “Today” show.
Rove has been at Bush’s sides since his days as Texas governor and was the architect of Bush’s two presidential election victory. A political strategist, Rove assumed new policy responsibilities inside the White House in 2005 as deputy chief of staff.
However, as part of the shake-up brought by new White House chief of staff Joshua Bolton, Rove shed those policymaking duties earlier this year to return to full time politics.
Indictment against Libby
Fitzgerald’s case against Libby is moving toward trial, as the two sides work through pretrial issues such as access to classified documents.
Libby, 55, was charged last October with lying to the FBI and a federal grand jury about how he learned and when he subsequently told three reporters about CIA officer Valerie Plame. He faces five counts of perjury, false statements and obstruction of justice.
Plame’s identity was exposed eight days after her husband, Bush administration critic and former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson, alleged that the U.S. government had manipulated prewar intelligence to exaggerate an Iraqi nuclear threat.
With Rove’s fate now decided, other unfinished business in Fitzgerald’s probe focuses on the source who provided Washington Post reporter Bob Woodwind information about Plame.
Woodwind says his source, who he has not publicly identified, provided the information about Wilson’s wife, several weeks before Novak learned of Plame’s identity. The Post reporter, who never wrote a story, was interviewed by Fitzgerald late last year.
NBC's Lisa Myers and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13018897/ |
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| Billyfromsphily |
| Libby could still bring down the big guys! |
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| Ass Boil |
| It sucks, but let's think ahead. The Republicans typically try to use this type of thing to their advantage. I expect them to celebrate this, as if there is something to be proud of in outing an undercover intelligence agent and getting away with it. If the Democrats can get their shit together and be ready to remind everyone of the facts in this case, that Rove has nothing to be proud of, they can use that as an opportunity to show how little this administration cares about security... Because indictment or no indictment they have nothing to be proud of... |
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| Ass Boil |
And so it begins. Look at this bullshit the National Review is already posting, as if they were in a coma during the years 1992-2000 while Republicans wasted millions upon millions of our tax dollars investigating every kernel of corn in Bill Clinton's shit:
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http://corner.nationalreview.com/po...GQ0MjhlM2RmNjc=
Fitzgerald and Rove [John Podhoretz]
Karl Rove won't say it, and his lawyer won't say it, but I'll say it: Patrick Fitzgerald's conduct in the Rove matter has been disgraceful. He kept Rove hanging for eight months with his bizarre game of keeping the Rove case "open" even though he claimed he did not expect any more indictments. I'd guess this cost Rove several hundred thousand dollars in legal fees and months of sleepless nights. Nice work, Patrick. You have once again reminded us why the misbegotten term "special prosecutor" should be considered an obscenity.
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| kali |
how dare anyone "worry" about rove having any sleepless nights when uncounted people have been killed and ruined for eternity because these asshats are greedy morons.
i really DO wish he had sleepless nites. I wish him more. |
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| fredgarvin1138 |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
It sucks, but let's think ahead. The Republicans typically try to use this type of thing to their advantage. I expect them to celebrate this, as if there is something to be proud of in outing an undercover intelligence agent and getting away with it. If the Democrats can get their shit together and be ready to remind everyone of the facts in this case, that Rove has nothing to be proud of, they can use that as an opportunity to show how little this administration cares about security... Because indictment or no indictment they have nothing to be proud of... |
Yeah, that'll work.
I think the days are gone when Dems can speak half-truths and get too many people to believe them. |
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| muntz |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
It sucks, but let's think ahead. The Republicans typically try to use this type of thing to their advantage. I expect them to celebrate this, as if there is something to be proud of in outing an undercover intelligence agent and getting away with it. If the Democrats can get their shit together and be ready to remind everyone of the facts in this case, that Rove has nothing to be proud of, they can use that as an opportunity to show how little this administration cares about security... Because indictment or no indictment they have nothing to be proud of... |
you sure about this? makes me think nothing can slow them down :( |
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| yamahafan1000 |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
It sucks, but let's think ahead. The Republicans typically try to use this type of thing to their advantage. I expect them to celebrate this, as if there is something to be proud of in outing an undercover intelligence agent and getting away with it. If the Democrats can get their shit together and be ready to remind everyone of the facts in this case, that Rove has nothing to be proud of, they can use that as an opportunity to show how little this administration cares about security... Because indictment or no indictment they have nothing to be proud of... |
It would be better for the DEMS if he was being charged as they would be able to point to him as an example of the collosial fuck up that is the Bush administration. Having him let off the hook, and then pointing to a guy who was released of the charges just doesn't have the same effect. Most people assume if you get let off the charges for a crime there wasn't enough evidence for a case, and therefore reasonable doubt. |
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| NCMike06 |
Has anyone reached Jason Leopold for comment...or any of the other 'journalists' (cough cough) at Truthout.com??
I wonder if Leopold will be fired from ANOTHER journalism job. Have no fear however, some other left wing loon website will pick him up, and the first time he posts some bullshit story, AB will post it in this forum and say 'prove it wrong'
Well, this is just one example where times proves AB, and the Bushhaters at Truthout wrong. Stay tuned as time will prove all of the left wing Bush hating rhetoric just what it is...Bullshit. |
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| muntz |
| happy arent you.... im sad, im sad for this country.... |
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| Hand_Solo |
You're sad for this country because the Deputy Chief of Staff wasn't charged with a crime?
That's... weird. |
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| SaintJimmy |
Quote: Originally posted by Hand_Solo
You're sad for this country because the Deputy Chief of Staff wasn't charged with a crime?
That's... weird. |
No, he's sad because the deputy chief of staff was involved in treason against this country, and he's not being prosecuted for it,
not even fired. (Another Broken Bush Promise)
Just because he's not being prosecuted doesn't mean he's not guilty - it means he was successful in covering up enough of his involvement to inject doubt into the mind of the prosecutor. It also means that he could face prosecution later if more evidence is presented. |
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| muntz |
Quote: Originally posted by SaintJimmy
No, he's sad because the deputy chief of staff was involved in treason against this country, and he's not being prosecuted for it,
not even fired. (Another Broken Bush Promise)
Just because he's not being prosecuted doesn't mean he's not guilty - it means he was successful in covering up enough of his involvement to inject doubt into the mind of the prosecutor. It also means that he could face prosecution later if more evidence is presented. |
thanks dude yes you got it right.... |
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| Hand_Solo |
Oh okay, my mistake.
Rove is Guilty Until Proven Innocent. My bad. |
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| SaintJimmy |
Quote: Originally posted by Hand_Solo
Oh okay, my mistake.
Rove is Guilty Until Proven Innocent. My bad. |
Even he admits to his involvement in this. Even if it's not criminal what he did, it's certainly stupid to the point of criminality. But, that's nothing new to this admin.
"Stupid to the point of criminality" is becoming a common theme when talking about this admin.'s exploits foreign and domestic. |
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| Turd_Cutter |
"Karl Rove! You're Bush's brain? I would've expected a much smaller man."
- Triumph the insult comic dog to Karl Rove |
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| WTFyall |
Rove's been involved in lots of dirty tricks in the past... I think it's amazing that the same people who screamed about what Clinton was doing to "the honor of the presidency" suddenly will defend behavior that is beyond all belief. I don't care what your party is, if you're dirty, you should be prosecuted or at the very least, out of government.
People treat politics like it's the NFL... nya nya... your team sucks and mine is perfect!!! Guess what folks, we're all in this together, and if the guys in charge are criminals, which they are, we're all getting F'd.
The whole republican strategy is to divide people into factions, then say what they need to to each group to keep them on their side. (Divide and conquer) Like it or not, at this moment in time, the democrats are the party of the people, and the republicans are the party of the corporations and the wealthy.
All this immigration, abortion, and religious talk is exactly that... talk. While we're sitting here arguing about all that bullshit, they are taking handfuls of cash out of the pockets of the middle class and stuffing into their own. I'd rather get a decent paycheck every week and have some job security than have a gay marriage flag burning amendment.
Wake the F up... ALL people! :ec: |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
Has anyone reached Jason Leopold for comment...or any of the other 'journalists' (cough cough) at Truthout.com??
I wonder if Leopold will be fired from ANOTHER journalism job. Have no fear however, some other left wing loon website will pick him up, and the first time he posts some bullshit story, AB will post it in this forum and say 'prove it wrong'
Well, this is just one example where times proves AB, and the Bushhaters at Truthout wrong. Stay tuned as time will prove all of the left wing Bush hating rhetoric just what it is...Bullshit. |
No suprise that you and the nauseating RNC apologists still refuse to admit that a bad thing happened when a CIA agent working on WMD proliferation was outed by a high level administration official.... Just looking at what Karl Rove has admitted to in this case is absolutely treasonous. And you seem to be overlooking the possibility that Rove could have rolled over on someone else in exchange for his own freedom. There are a million possibilities here...
And I absolutely LOVE how someone as dishonest as yourself can pile on Jason Leopold when the main sources of news and misinformation for Republicans are a "news" network known for distorting facts, employing known liars like Bill O'Lielly and Sean Hannity, and a fat draft dodging drug addict radio host who has his maid buying insane amounts of illegal prescription drugs for him...
And I'm actually suprised to see Republicans doing SO MUCH celebrating when no one has actually seen this letter, and Patrick Fitzgerald has not said a word. Just seems a bit premature to me... |
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| Hand_Solo |
If it's so absolutely, certainly treasonous why hasn't he been charged?
Do you know something the prosecuting attorneys don't?
If you do, let me know. I'm all for eliminating corruption. What I'm not for is convicting someone of treason just because he's been thus far legally and enormously successful at his job. |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by Hand_Solo
If it's so absolutely, certainly treasonous why hasn't he been charged?
Do you know something the prosecuting attorneys don't?
If you do, let me know. I'm all for eliminating corruption. What I'm not for is convicting someone of treason just because he's been thus far legally and enormously successful at his job. |
Not being charged with a crime and being exonerated are 2 completely different things... All this proves at this point is Fitzgerald decided not to indict Karl Rove for some reason. That could mean during one of Rove's 5 grand jury visits he implicated someone else, or it could mean he made a deal with the special prosecutor. No honest American can say they are proud of Rove's role in this.
Tell me what part of this you are proud of:
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ADMINISTRATION, ROVE ORIGINALLY DENIED ANY INVOLVMENT IN THE LEAK: Asked on 9/29/03 whether he had “any knowledge” of the leak or whether he leaked the name of the CIA agent, Rove answered “no.” That same day, White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, after having “spoken to Karl,” asserted that “it is a ridiculous suggestion” to say Rove was involved in the leak. In August 2004, Rove maintained, “I didn’t know her name and didn’t leak her name.” [ABC News, 9/29/03; White House Press Briefing, 9/29/03; RawStory; Newsweek, 7/11/05]
ROVE SPOKE WITH TIME REPORTER MATT COOPER: In a conversation with Time reporter Matt Cooper — a conversation that Rove insisted be kept on “deep background” — Rove instructed Cooper, “Don’t get too far out on Wilson.” Rove then identified Valerie Plame as “Wilson’s wife” who “works at the agency on wmd [weapons of mass destruction].” According to Cooper, his conversation with Karl Rove was the first time he had heard anything about Wilson’s wife. Additionally, Rove told Cooper that further information discrediting Wilson and his findings would soon be declassified and ended the phone conversation by saying “I’ve already said too much.” [Time, 7/25/05]
ROVE SPOKE WITH COLUMNIST ROBERT NOVAK: A week prior to publishing his column which outed undercover CIA agent Valerie Plame, Robert Novak spoke with Karl Rove. In the 7/8/03 conversation with Rove, Novak brought up Plame’s role at the CIA, and Rove confirmed for the reporter that Plame worked at the CIA: “I heard that too,” said Rove. [NYT, 7/15/05]
ROVE TESTIFIED FIVE TIMES BEFORE THE GRAND JURY: Karl Rove appeared before a federal grand jury for the fifth time on April 26, 2006. In his previous testimony to the grand jury, Karl Rove reportedly admitted “that he circulated and discussed damaging information regarding [Plame] with others in the White House, outside political consultants, and journalists” and “is said to have named at least six other administration officials” who were involved. From Rove’s description of the administration’s efforts, sources characterized the actions as “an aggressive campaign to discredit Wilson through the leaking and disseminating of derogatory information regarding him and his wife to the press, utilizing proxies such as conservative interest groups and the Republican National Committee to achieve those ends, and distributing talking points to allies of the administration on Capitol Hill and elsewhere.” [Washington Post, 4/27/06; American Prospect, 3/8/04; Newsweek, 7/11/05; Reuters, 10/14/05]
ROVE DEFENSE TEAM ANTICIPATES CHARGES; ROVE PLANS TO RESIGN IF INDICTED: “Rove’s defense team asserts that President Bush’s deputy chief of staff has not committed a crime but nevertheless anticipates that special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald could find a way to bring charges in the next two weeks.” “Bush senior adviser Rove and others at the White House had concluded that if indicted he would immediately resign or possibly go on unpaid leave, several legal and Administration sources familiar with the thinking told Time.” [Washington Post, 10/15/05; Time, 10/24/05]
ROVE WAS REPORTEDLY ADMONISHED BY BUSH FOR LEAKING: “An angry President Bush rebuked chief political guru Karl Rove two years ago for his role in the Valerie Plame affair, sources told the Daily News. ‘He made his displeasure known to Karl,’ a presidential counselor told The News. ‘He made his life miserable about this.’” [NY Daily News, 10/19/05]
MEMBER OF THE WHITE HOUSE IRAQ GROUP: Rove was a regular participant in the weekly meetings of the Bush Administration’s White House Iraq Group. The main purpose of the group was the systematic coordination of the “marketing” of going to war with Iraq as well as selling the war here at home. One clear example of this fact is that “the escalation of nuclear rhetoric” during the pre-war stage, “including the introduction of the term ‘mushroom cloud’ into the debate, coincided with the formation” of WHIG. The group included the other individual who has been confirmed as a leaker, Lewis Libby. [Washington Post, 8/10/03]
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
No suprise that you and the nauseating RNC apologists still refuse to admit that a bad thing happened when a CIA agent working on WMD proliferation was outed by a high level administration official.... Just looking at what Karl Rove has admitted to in this case is absolutely treasonous. And you seem to be overlooking the possibility that Rove could have rolled over on someone else in exchange for his own freedom. There are a million possibilities here...
And I absolutely LOVE how someone as dishonest as yourself can pile on Jason Leopold when the main sources of news and misinformation for Republicans are a "news" network known for distorting facts, employing known liars like Bill O'Lielly and Sean Hannity, and a fat draft dodging drug addict radio host who has his maid buying insane amounts of illegal prescription drugs for him...
And I'm actually suprised to see Republicans doing SO MUCH celebrating when no one has actually seen this letter, and Patrick Fitzgerald has not said a word. Just seems a bit premature to me... |
Please get your information over to Fitzgerald please !!! It's been months that you have been claiming all this nonsense, and Fitzgerald has been investigating for 2+ years. No indictments, no convictions, Bush and Cheney are clean. But keep talking, you have even less credibility than Leopold. Or else, shut-up and realize that no crime was committed, your hopes are dashed, and you are just plain wrong.....again. You can stop looking like an idiot any time you choose. All you need to do is take your foot out of your mouth, and keep it closed after that. |
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| Ass Boil |
Is the case closed?
I didn't think so.
Until it is you are the one who needs to stop making an idiot out of yourself, especially after the way Republicans investigated Bill Clinton every time he took a shit or sneezed...
That is not NEW information I posted. Those are the facts about what we KNOW Rove did.
Glad to see you are so proud of him. |
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| Ironpirate |
| Hey ASSFACE nobody is a RNC apologists, its what you liberals try to weaken the republican party. But it doesn't work like all your other failed attempts. Keep on the negative path, its where you'll find the democratic party. |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by Ironpirate
Hey ASSFACE nobody is an RNC apologists, its what you liberals try to weaken the republican party. |
Could you please translate this into fucking english for me?
Nobody expects perfect spelling and grammar in a forum, cockpirate, but half of your posts are completely incoherent.
Guessing about the meaning of your drivel, I think I need to post this for you a SECOND time:
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a·pol·o·gist P Pronunciation Key (-pl-jst)
n.
A person who argues in defense or justification of something, such as a doctrine, policy, or institution. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
| Thats Mr Nobody, who is the Republican apologist. Please AB show the respect for Buttpirates new title when you address him. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
Please get your information over to Fitzgerald please !!! It's been months that you have been claiming all this nonsense, and Fitzgerald has been investigating for 2+ years. No indictments, no convictions,
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No indictments?
I guess you forgot Scooter Libby. You know the Chief of Staff as well as assistant for National Security Affairs to VP Dick Cheney. He also served as a presidential adviser.
I suppose he doesn't count!
LMFAO at YOU! |
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| walt zink |
the problem lies in so much red tape tying up the justice department. ken ley, for instance. how long did it take to FINALLY indict the man and charge him with crimes that were almost BLATANTLY obvious?
karl rove is not much different. what was implied as done (we certainly don't have the privilege to see what the prosecutors or DAs have) is certainly VERY wrong. unless we have recorded VMs or e-mails (which can easily be doctored/frauded - the e-mails that is) and something that is just so obviously explicit, then not much can be done.
months back, just after libby was indicted, i was hearing rove wouldn't be indicted, and it's no surprise this scumbag got off. however, he HAS become a household name, and not in the way he wished he would be. his reputation is certainly hurt, to a degree.
unfortunately, what the Dems need to do is exactly what they chided the Repubs for - they need to hire someone exactly like rove. unfortunately, they're so wishy-washy and rarely take a determined stance on something. we all like to rip on george bush for his inability to admit right or wrong, but the american people - at this point in time - want someone like that. had kerry been elected, i don't think his favorability would've been much higher.
not to change the subject, but the striking difference i see in he men and women running for office is vast. of the current war's vets that are running, it's a 3 to 1 margin Dem to Repub, something i was very surprised to find out. hopefully we get more progressives in office. i'll be much more supportive of people that push for sweeping reforms of the health care system, etc.... |
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| jigzaw |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
Has anyone reached Jason Leopold for comment...or any of the other 'journalists' (cough cough) at Truthout.com??
I wonder if Leopold will be fired from ANOTHER journalism job. Have no fear however, some other left wing loon website will pick him up, and the first time he posts some bullshit story, AB will post it in this forum and say 'prove it wrong'
Well, this is just one example where times proves AB, and the Bushhaters at Truthout wrong. Stay tuned as time will prove all of the left wing Bush hating rhetoric just what it is...Bullshit. |
But don't forget that the investigations found that all the rhetoric about Clinton's criminal activity in Arkansas that cost the taxpayers countless millions were basically bullshit too.
It's wrong for either side to convict or acquit someone because of their personal politics. The facts should be the deciding point in criminal cases.
The court has spoken, and I accept it. |
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| atomizer |
A good week equals Rove not being charged. Fishbelly white is the new grey. I'll give it two weeks before the new weird Haliburton shit gets ignored.
We're so beyond screwed. |
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| atomizer |
Give us some facts, jigz.
One fucking fact! And no, not Monica's spilt facts. Not Ken Starr's facts (who paid for them?) Who DID pay for all that? Oh yeah, me....
Nice court jigzaw. Hoo-wee, you win, Kansas. You're a hero, aren't you?
Keep on sucking that Chertoff jizz, pals. It spills out of your mouths. You can't even swallow that full load, can you?
Would you do us the favour of defining exactly where your perversions end and our lives begin?
Oh Jesus, forgive me. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by atomizer
Give us some facts, jigz.
One fucking fact! And no, not Monica's spilt facts. Not Ken Starr's facts (who paid for them?) Who DID pay for all that? Oh yeah, me....
Nice court jigzaw. Hoo-wee, you win, Kansas. You're a hero, aren't you?
Keep on sucking that Chertoff jizz, pals. It spills out of your mouths. You can't even swallow that full load, can you?
Would you do us the favour of defining exactly where your perversions end and our lives begin?
Oh Jesus, forgive me. |
Don't post when you're smoking crack. It confuses everyone. |
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| atomizer |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Don't post when you're smoking crack. It confuses everyone. |
Who's your 'everyone'?
Did your 'everyone' lie about WMD, the release of the poor downtrodden Iraquis, and the fact that Iraq blew up the WTC? Do you still buy into that? Everyone.
Guess what I'll settle for: 'everyone' not dying anymore, tough guy.
You're a strong man, aren't you? Prove your strength. I'll expect nothing less than a cowardly smack on the back of the head.
George W Bush. Our hero. Everyone. |
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| atomizer |
Quote: Originally posted by atomizer
Who's your 'everyone'?
Did your 'everyone' lie about WMD, the release of the poor downtrodden Iraquis, and the fact that Iraq blew up the WTC? Do you still buy into that? Everyone.
Guess what I'll settle for: 'everyone' not dying anymore, tough guy.
You're a strong man, aren't you? Prove your strength. I'll expect nothing less than a cowardly smack on the back of the head.
George W Bush. Our hero. Everyone. |
Figured as much.
Coward. Enjoying a death toll that has nothing to do with your holiday. |
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| atomizer |
But don't forget that the investigations found that all the rhetoric about Clinton's criminal activity in Arkansas that cost the taxpayers countless millions were basically bullshit too.
It's wrong for either side to convict or acquit someone because of their personal politics. The facts should be the deciding point in criminal cases.
The court has spoken Throw me a bone, faggots. You've lost, you've even lost losing, I'll keep fighting.
Code Blue |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by atomizer
But don't forget that the investigations found that all the rhetoric about Clinton's criminal activity in Arkansas that cost the taxpayers countless millions were basically bullshit too.
It's wrong for either side to convict or acquit someone because of their personal politics. The facts should be the deciding point in criminal cases.
The court has spoken Throw me a bone, faggots. You've lost, you've even lost losing, I'll keep fighting.
Code Blue |
Dude, don't forget it's SFN...
You've been fighting with me and I was offline... Like I said, drop the pipe and step awaaaaaaay from the keyboard.
:) |
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| jigzaw |
| Um, Atomizer if off his rocker. He started yelling at me about what a waste the Lewinsky shit was when THAT WAS MY FUCKING POINT!!! Then a couple posts above, he just cut and pasted my post as if it were his. I don't get his point. I think crack or LSD is right. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by jigzaw
Um, Atomizer if off his rocker. He started yelling at me about what a waste the Lewinsky shit was when THAT WAS MY FUCKING POINT!!! Then a couple posts above, he just cut and pasted my post as if it were his. I don't get his point. I think crack or LSD is right. |
I'm drinking right now but I don't think that has anything to do with the fact that I can't follow his posts either...
hic! |
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| Billyfromsphily |
| What was the total for Ken Starr's Investigation? 70 million to find out that the Clinton's lost 70 thousand dollars in a legal realestate deal and Bill got a blow job....Great job Kenny boy! |
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| Monster_Zero |
The current administration is an embarrassment. Not just to basic principals that America was founded on, but to how we are viewed as nationality :rolleyes:
How the Democratic Party has not gotten their shit together, and impeached this asstard is beyond me.
I can only hope this will signal a rebellion to the only viable third party, the Libertarian ticket. :crossfingers: |
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| Ass Boil |
| I am as unhappy as anyone with the Democratic party, but right now they have no power to impeach anyone. For an investigation and impeachment papers to be written, the party in power of congress must make the move. The Republicans are in charge of all committees and refuse to even discuss any of it... |
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