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| M1ndGames |
| It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their stockpiles. At the same time, it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of over 4.6 BILLION dollars which affects rhe bottom lines of the oil companies. Therefore, Sept. 10 has been formally declared "Stick It To The Man Day" and the people of this nation should not buy a single drop of gasoline that day. THE ONLY WAY THIS CAN BE DONE IS IF YOU TELL AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN AND AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN TO GET THE WORD OUT. WAITING ON THIS ADMINISTRATION TO STEP IN AND CONTROL THE PRICES IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. What happened to the reduction and control in prices that the Arab Nations promised two weeks ago? Remember one thing, not only is the price of gasoline going up, but at the same time airlines are forced to raise their prices, trucking companies are forced to raise their prices which effects prices on everything that is shipped. Things like food, clothing, building materials,medical supplies etc.. But who pays in the end? WE DO! WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF THEY DON'T GET THE MESSAGE AFTER ONE DAY, WE WILL DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN. SO DO YOUR PART AND SPREAD THE WORD. |
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| yamahafan1000 |
Quote: Originally posted by M1ndGames
It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their stockpiles. At the same time, it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of over 4.6 BILLION dollars which affects rhe bottom lines of the oil companies. Therefore, Sept. 10 has been formally declared "Stick It To The Man Day" and the people of this nation should not buy a single drop of gasoline that day. THE ONLY WAY THIS CAN BE DONE IS IF YOU TELL AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN AND AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN TO GET THE WORD OUT. WAITING ON THIS ADMINISTRATION TO STEP IN AND CONTROL THE PRICES IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. What happened to the reduction and control in prices that the Arab Nations promised two weeks ago? Remember one thing, not only is the price of gasoline going up, but at the same time airlines are forced to raise their prices, trucking companies are forced to raise their prices which effects prices on everything that is shipped. Things like food, clothing, building materials,medical supplies etc.. But who pays in the end? WE DO! WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF THEY DON'T GET THE MESSAGE AFTER ONE DAY, WE WILL DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN. SO DO YOUR PART AND SPREAD THE WORD. |
This sort of thing has been posted a thousand times. The only way for this to be effective is to have another source of fuel. It would be pointless to not buy fuel one day, then go fill up the next day since you were almost empty the day before.
Now get the governement to allow smaller oil companies to start up to provide competition with the current companies and we may start to see some action. |
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| thoroldjames |
How about if everyone bought a hybrid, a smart car, a toyota tercel, instead of a ford f-250, or yukon denali, or toyota 4runner.
How about when we drive, we drive the speed limit instead of 25 MPH over it?could cut gas consumption in half.
it would be the same as if we stopped buying gas for six months.
Unless we change they way we live we will remain at the mercy of big oil, and opec. |
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| Stickman |
Transesterification is the revolution.
It's a hell of a lot simpler than it sounds. |
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| Pestilence |
| If we really wanted to stick it to the man we'd follow Harry Reid's gas rebate plan and just give everyone in the US $5 grand a year. That way everyone could afford these outrageous gas prices from these big oil moguls who are being orchestrated by the EVIL BUSH, the guy who brought u the plague and AIDS. That would surely be better than investing in alternative fuel sources or mining for oil in ANWR. I know this because the democratic party is against it and since they're against it I'm against it too because whatever the DNC says I believe. I r teh smartest! :D |
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| Crazytree |
Quote: Originally posted by Pestilence
I r teh smartest! :D |
Well Texas IS the academic and technological capital of the world. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Where do you suppose the 5 grand comes from?......................................Moron! So we as a country spend a few billion more to pay ourselves??????
Oh I forgot,..Iraq was the war that was supposed to pay for itself! Sounds just like a Bush energy plan doesn't it?
Don't stress your mind so much! |
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| Pestilence |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
Where do you suppose the 5 grand comes from?......................................Moron! So we as a country spend a few billion more to pay ourselves?????? Oh I forgot,..Iraq was the war that was supposed to pay for itself! Sounds just like a Bush energy plan doesn't it? Don't stress your mind so much! |
Woah, I do believe I've converted my first socialist into a sensible capitalist! If you were a democrat who actually paid attention to your leaders you would know that Harry Reid is advocating a $100 tax rebate check program to stick it to the so called man. The $5 grand was an exaggeration to snag an unsuspecting liberal/socialist (sometimes I get you guys confused) and prove my point. I must say you're commentary says more than any stats I could ever put forward. "Where do you suppose the 5 grand comes from?......................................Moron!". I could have easily put in a $1 or even a billion dollars, either amount would have been equally rediculous. You however have made a very intelligent point and I only speculate that the money would come from the same place this $100 dollar tax rebate would come from, the pockets of the evil big oil moguls who are the only ones capable of investing significant amounts in domestic oil exploration. Do you honestly believe that this tax rebate program from Harry Reid would actually help things, do you think it would actually lower prices? Well regardless of what you think I'm happy that I've actually converted you, my job is now complete. |
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| WillowGlen |
| So everyone doesnt buy gas for one day. The oil companies lose a fortune for one day. The next day all the people that were going to buy gas anyway buy it and the people who "protested" the day before still will have to buy gas if they want to go anywhere doubling the oil companies cash flow on that day. Explain to me how this is going to help? |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Quote: Originally posted by Pestilence
[ Well regardless of what you think I'm happy that I've actually converted you, my job is now complete. [/B] |
Attention < You haven't converted anybody, you failed to convey sarcasm in your post.............................Moron! |
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| Pestilence |
| Sorry, I do a better job of trying to convert you from your socialism next time. :( |
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| FatesWebb |
| actually when the demand for gas goes through the roof the next day and all of the stations raise thier prices, you will end up out more money.... |
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| thoroldjames |
[QUOTE=Pestilence]Woah, I do believe I've converted my first socialist into a sensible capitalist! If you were a democrat who actually paid attention to your leaders you would know that Harry Reid is advocating a $100 tax rebate check program to stick it to the so called man. The $5 grand was an exaggeration to snag an unsuspecting liberal/socialist (sometimes I get you guys confused) and prove my point. I must say you're commentary says more than any stats I could ever put forward. "Where do you suppose the 5 grand comes from?......................................Moron!". I could have easily put in a $1 or even a billion dollars, either amount would have been equally rediculous. You however have made a very intelligent point and I only speculate that the money would come from the same place this $100 dollar tax rebate would come from, the pockets of the evil big oil moguls who are the only ones capable of investing significant amounts in domestic oil exploration. Do you honestly believe that this tax rebate program from Harry Reid would actually help things, do you think it would actually lower prices? Well regardless of what you think I'm happy that I've actually converted you, my job is now complete. [/QUOTESo you're a socialist then?
you advocate not giving people "their" tax dollars back to spend as they see fit.
that makes you a socialist, doesn't it? |
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| Pestilence |
Sorry Thoroldjames but you've missed the point here. The government is the entity that charges obscenely high gasoline taxes on the American public. So in actuality, if there was anyone for you to go after it would be the government not Exxon-Mobil. If you did however, you might wanna check your Liberal Democrat card at the door because Democrats are for raising taxes not lowering them, they of course know how to spend your money better than you do. Thats where the real definition of socialism comes in.
Quote: Originally posted by Answer.com Socialism Definition
Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy |
The real problem with gasoline prices is oil speculation. As the situation abroad gets better oil prices will come down. Giving people a $100 tax rebate for them to spend money as they see fit is a bandaid over the dike solution to this issue. The tax rebate check simply would not solve the problem of reducing the overall price of oil because $100 dollars given to everyone in the US would cause more problems than it would solve. Who even knows if those people will even spend the money on gasoline? Infusing the economy with any amount of extra money just because some politician believes it will help smooth things over with the American people would cause inflation. If all it took to fix an economy was to simply give people extra money then all the US mint would have to do is start printing enough cash to make everyone a millionaire.
To put it simply, the only way to really solve our oil problem is to invest in alternative fuels and drill for oil domestically. This is the reason that big-oil has been given these tax breaks. Exxon-Mobil and the other oil related companies invest heavily in alternative places to drill for oil because no other companies have the investment capital to do so. |
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| thoroldjames |
Quote: Originally posted by Pestilence
Sorry Thoroldjames but you've missed the point here. The government is the entity that charges obscenely high gasoline taxes on the American public. So in actuality, if there was anyone for you to go after it would be the government not Exxon-Mobil. If you did however, you might wanna check your Liberal Democrat card at the door because Democrats are for raising taxes not lowering them, they of course know how to spend your money better than you do. Thats where the real definition of socialism comes in.
The real problem with gasoline prices is oil speculation. As the situation abroad gets better oil prices will come down. Giving people a $100 tax rebate for them to spend money as they see fit is a bandaid over the dike solution to this issue. The tax rebate check simply would not solve the problem of reducing the overall price of oil because $100 dollars given to everyone in the US would cause more problems than it would solve. Who even knows if those people will even spend the money on gasoline? Infusing the economy with any amount of extra money just because some politician believes it will help smooth things over with the American people would cause inflation. If all it took to fix an economy was to simply give people extra money then all the US mint would have to do is start printing enough cash to make everyone a millionaire.
To put it simply, the only way to really solve our oil problem is to invest in alternative fuels and drill for oil domestically. This is the reason that big-oil has been given these tax breaks. Exxon-Mobil and the other oil related companies invest heavily in alternative places to drill for oil because no other companies have the investment capital to do so. |
I'm aware of what a socialist is(I do live in Canada :( :) )
we do agree, gov'ts have made a killing during the past couple years due to the jump in oil prices.
I am a liberal and I do have no problem paying taxes, I do have a problem with my tax dollars being wasted away on gov't pork and through corruption.
Most of that waste and corruption in the past 20 years in America has come under republican control not democratic.
Clinton may have been a horny devil but he didn't create a record deficit/debt, can't say the same for Bush @co. |
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| Pestilence |
Well Bush did inherit a serious recession before he took office (check facts below), dealt with 9-11 and is waging the war on terrorism but who cares right? As for your statement about corruption over the last 20 years, maybe you should go back 30 years, I've listed the examples.
Examples of Democratic Corruption -
Brett Pfeffer, former aide to Rep. William Jefferson (D.-La.) pleads guilty to bribing the Congressman by giving Jefferson a stake in his business and putting two of Jefferson's relatives on the payroll.
Rep. Alan Mollohan (D.-W.V.) of the House Ethics Committee became a real estate multimillionaire about the same time his financial supporters got federal grants he secured.
Former Atlanta Mayor Bill Campbell receives payoffs of $150,000 from companies doing business with the city.
Quote: Originally posted by Townhall.com
70 different House members have been investigated for serious offenses over the last 30 years: 15 involved Republicans, 55 involved Democrats. |
Proof of Clinton Recession -
Since you probably won't read this I'll add this easy to understand image.
National Review Online
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| thoroldjames |
you are correct I ain't readin all that :D ( I do have some stuff to do around the house :rolleyes:
you honestly think that the economy has been better handled by bush than clinton?
the answer, your answer is no, you know it is.
the national Review?
why don't I print an article by Lenin on why bush is a twit?
:D :D :D
gotta go. |
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| Pestilence |
| Well I'm a conservative. It's obvious that I don't agree with the government thinking they can spend my money better than I can which is why I do think the economy is much better now than it was under Clinton even with the high deficit, 9-11, Katrina and Iraq. The Bush tax cuts are working, the proof can be seen everyday just check GDP growth. |
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| app1es |
| Supply and demand ---- thats what sets prices. Oil has been too expencesive to burn since the invent of plastics and polimers. Its only now that the price is starting to catch up. BEWARE of future petroilum prices - you may be looking at 20+ per gal in the next 20 - 30 years. If you add the price of oil protection to the price per gal - tack on another 3.50 or so per gal right now...Thats what the gov eats in other tax dollars today. |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by thoroldjames
I'm aware of what a socialist is(I do live in Canada :( :) )
we do agree, gov'ts have made a killing during the past couple years due to the jump in oil prices.
I am a liberal and I do have no problem paying taxes, I do have a problem with my tax dollars being wasted away on gov't pork and through corruption.
Most of that waste and corruption in the past 20 years in America has come under republican control not democratic.
Clinton may have been a horny devil but he didn't create a record deficit/debt, can't say the same for Bush @co. |
A few things:
The US government in its current format is a construction of liberal thought. There is little if any conservatism to be found. Just remember that Republican does not necessarily translate into conservative. That is unfortunately true much too often.
Most of the waste and corruption in current government can be traced to the New Deal, and rolled forward. Regardless of party.
As far as Clinton is concerned, he was talking about 'deficits as far as the eye can see' until a Republican Congress hit in 1995. That is when the Stock market shot up, and the economy started to roar, bringing the deficit down due to increased government revenues. Those were the last days of any real conservatism in Congress. Unfortunately, too many Republicans in power have turned ot spending and pork in a misguided attempt to stay in power by keeping the government money flowing back home. Bush is as much to blame for this as Congress. He should have vetoed the first spending bill put before him, even if it were just for $1, just to set precedent.
Regardless of who wins in November...this will not change until the American people rise up and demand change. I mean real change...power must be taken from Washington and given back to the people. I don't see that happening for quite some time. Politicians don't spend millions getting elected to give power away. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
A few things:
Most of the waste and corruption in current government can be traced to the New Deal, and rolled forward. Regardless of party.
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Hey stupid....Did you ever hear of the Tea Pot Dome Scandal? Well it and many others predate the Roosevelt administration. Roosevelt was given the job of cleaning up after the mess that the Harding /Coolidge administations ahd left.
So do some more research before you just blame the Democrats! |
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| iatebethO |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
A few things:
As far as Clinton is concerned, he was talking about 'deficits as far as the eye can see' until a Republican Congress hit in 1995. That is when the Stock market shot up, and the economy started to roar, bringing the deficit down due to increased government revenues. T |
You are a liar.
The Clinton tax increase of 1993 laid the foundation for the surpluses during the latter part of the 1990s.
You are as dishonest as the day is long. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
| Hey Mike, What do you know about William McKinley??? How about Mark Hannah? |
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| thoroldjames |
Quote: Originally posted by iatebethO
You are a liar.
The Clinton tax increase of 1993 laid the foundation for the surpluses during the latter part of the 1990s.
You are as dishonest as the day is long. |
What he is
is in denial, like all of these republican fools.
He simply can't admit that no president in decades(maybe ever?)
has done a better job of handling the economy than CLINTON.
and he's a liar. :D
Of course the economy under Clinton wasn't as a result of him, it was because of the congress, but the economy under Bush is the fault of Clintons policies. :rolleyes:
Can't be both Mikey |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by thoroldjames
What he is
is in denial, like all of these republican fools.
He simply can't admit that no president in decades(maybe ever?)
has done a better job of handling the economy than CLINTON.
and he's a liar. :D
Of course the economy under Clinton wasn't as a result of him, it was because of the congress, but the economy under Bush is the fault of Clintons policies. :rolleyes:
Can't be both Mikey |
Don't blame Mike, blame Rush Limbaugh. I listened to Rush for the past 10 years and NCMike may actually be Rush Limbaugh...
Or more likely, a Rush mark who's hooked, lined and sinkered with a little sprinkle of self-delusion thrown in.
Really. I mean this. You can see the dichotomy in Mike's posts. He
defends Bush on all fronts and yet rails that all politicians are corrupt. He defends Republican majorities as if they are the Savior of the world yet laments there is no real conservatism. If you follow the underpinnings and logic behind his posting, you see a deep conflict and that is typically Rush Limbaugh who _must_ defend Republicans and Bush yet is _forced_ to comment and spin their failures in some positive. Mike repeats some of these "talking points" from Rush almost verbatim.
Think about it, Does NCMike sound like a citizen of the US or a fucking talk show host... |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Don't blame Mike, blame Rush Limbaugh. I listened to Rush for the past 10 years and NCMike may actually be Rush Limbaugh...
Or more likely, a Rush mark who's hooked, lined and sinkered with a little sprinkle of self-delusion thrown in.
Really. I mean this. You can see the dichotomy in Mike's post. He
defends Bush on all fronts and yet rails that all politicians are corrupt. He defends Republican majorities as if they are the Savior of the world yet laments there is no real conservatism. If you follow the underpinnings and logic behind his posting, you see a deep conflict and that is typically Rush Limbaugh who _must_ defend Republicans and Bush yet is _forced_ to comment and spin their failures in some positive. Mike repeats some of these "talking points" from Rush almost verbatim.
Think about it, Does NCMike sound like a citizen of the US or a fucking talk show host... |
More analysis...its amazing how facsinated you seem to be with analyzing who I am, and or why I write what I do. You would think someone with your limited knowledge about pretty much every subject would want to stop embarrassing himself in this forum, and maybe pick up a book and try to learn something. Instead, you are a closet Rush fan, and seem to get your rocks off trying to figure me out.
First lets start with this ridiculous statement:
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
He defends Bush on all fronts and yet rails that all politicians are corrupt. |
I criticize Bush in the very post that people were responding too. SO either you failed to read it or you were unable to comprehend what I wrote. Only a dumbass would respond to a post that he didn't even read, which is why I think you probably didn't read it. But that said...I doubt you could understand what I wrote if you did take the time to read it. Reading and comprehension don't seem to be your strong points. Half baked comparisons, and nonsensical posts do, however.
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
He defends Republican majorities as if they are the Savior of the world yet laments there is no real conservatism. |
Here is where you really shine...making up stuff that I didn't say, to argue against. You can't argue against what I do say, so you have to put up lies, attribute them to me, and argue against them. Please show me where I said that Republican majorities are the Savior of the world?? A bigger liar, this board has not seen than you my friend.
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Think about it, Does NCMike sound like a citizen of the US or a fucking talk show host... |
So talk show hosts are not citizens of the US???? You could be dumber than the average house plant. But I would say that I am flattered that you compare me to Rush, but coming from someone with your intellectual deficencies, nothing you say should be taken seriously at all. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
More analysis...its amazing how facsinated you seem to be with analyzing who I am, and or why I write what I do. |
Not really, I just recognize where you get your talking points from.
As for your counter arguments, I'll let the board decide if my take was on the mark. (pun intended...)
Toot-a-loo ditto-head. |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by thoroldjames
What he is
is in denial, like all of these republican fools.
He simply can't admit that no president in decades(maybe ever?)
has done a better job of handling the economy than CLINTON.
and he's a liar. :D
Of course the economy under Clinton wasn't as a result of him, it was because of the congress, but the economy under Bush is the fault of Clintons policies. :rolleyes:
Can't be both Mikey |
First of all, please show me where I said the 'economy under Bush is the fault of the Clinton Policies' ?? Comprehension seems to be an issue with you also. The economy under Bush has been and is great. Not much to compain about.
But lets look at some figures:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=%5E...e=31&f=1996&g=m
Dow Jan 1993 - 3,310.03
Dow Dec 1993 - 3,754.09 (Or about a 12% increase)
Dow Jan 1994 - 3754.09
Dow Dec 1994 - 3834.44 (Or about a 2% increase)
Dow Jan 1995 - 3834.44
Dow Dec 1996 - 5117.12 (Or a 25% increase)
Dow Jan 1995 - 5117.12
Dow Dec 1996 - 6448.27 (Or about a 21% increase)
And the trend continues....NOW, what do we know happened at the beginning of 1995?? A Republican Congress took office. In the first 2 years of a Republican Congress, the stock market rose OVER 300% MORE than the first 2 years all democratic rule.
GDP increases show a similar trend:
http://www.bea.gov/bea/dn/gdpchg.xls
1993 2.7
1994 4.0
1995 2.5
1996 3.7
1997 4.5
1998 4.2
1999 4.5
The best thing that Clinton did was to do almost NOTHING post 1993. He let the economy alone for the most part. However, he did leave us with the dot.com bust and mini recession that Bush walked into in 2001.
Would you care to offer specific examples as to why you think that Clinton was so wonderful?? Remember that he had NO idea that deficit reduction would occur in his presidency.
So lets see what you can come up with, Mr economics. |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Not really, I just recognize where you get your talking points from.
As for your counter arguments, I'll let the board decide if my take was on the mark. (pun intended...)
Toot-a-loo ditto-head. |
Yea, ok..Dr Melfy.
Nice deflection. You cant argue against what I say...I call you on your lies about what I didn't say...now you want to leave it to someone else to make the argument for you.
So pathetic. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
| So if there was a bust economy he fixes it by record spending deficits and Tax breaks for the already wealthy? |
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| Crazytree |
I've caught NCMike repeating talking points VERBATIM from Fox News.
He might not get them directly from Fox... but his programming is effective and very accurate. |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
I've caught NCMike repeating talking points VERBATIM from Fox News.
He might not get them directly from Fox... but his programming is effective and very accurate. |
More commentary from the left wing robot -n-chief !! |
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| Crazytree |
| pot... meet kettle. |
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| app1es |
| Alt. energy is great for stationary assets like homes - buildings /etc. About 65% of oil used in the US is in other then transportation - meaning only 35% is used for gas/diesil... Stop using that 65% in agriculture/electricity/heat/etc and prices will drop... Supliment the other 35% with bio-products and Hydrogen; and energy independance becomes a reality, not to mention the benefit to our economy/health/welfare/etc. :p :( |
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