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| NCMike06 |
Attention all Left wing loons....don't waste all of your disappointment today. Although, it could be said that the pool of liberal disappointment and disgust is a bottomless pit. You will need plenty for the events of the summer/fall. Gas Prices will fall, Iraq will continue to improve, terrorists will continue to die and the Republicans will win in November. The Haditha Marines may even be cleared, which would be a true slap in the face to those who had the Marines convicted like that idiot Murtha. Crazytree would probably begin preparations for Hari Kari. On top of all that, the landslide you and everyone were so hoping for (and predicting) is crumbling right before your very eyes, and there is nothing you can do about it.
It's going to be fun to watch you flail and drown in a sea of your own hatred and stupidity.
Enjoy your summer of discontent! |
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| chicagoirishtim |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
Iraq will continue to improve |
Will it improve to the point where the president wont have to always make "suprise" vists their because it's so dangerous that if they tell people he's going their he's gonna get killed. We've made Iraq worse, so any improvement is nothing to be proud of |
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| B.A. Baracus60 |
| sounds like wishful thinking oon your part...NCDike06.......Luckily most Americans are not as dumb as you. |
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| patcracker |
| Hmm, NC Mike is getting happy feet in June. Its a LOOOOONNNNGGGGG summer. And we have a bunch more hurricanes. :ok: :freak: :gb: |
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| Ironpirate |
I know Mike, it will be another sure win for the republicans this fall. The liberals doom and gloom will not work on america any more.
| Quote: it could be said that the pool of liberal disappointment and disgust is a bottomless pit. |
OMG Ownage. Dems will never be happy with anything like always. Things will be good and they will spin everything to terrible. Good luck with that. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Ironpirate
I know Mike, it will be another sure win for the republicans this fall. The liberals doom and gloom will not work on america any more.
OMG Ownage. Dems will never be happy with anything like always. Things will be good and they will spin everything to terrible. Good luck with that. |
Too bad you're too young to remember how Republicans acted when there was a Democratic President.
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. |
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| G-Spot |
I think June is a tad early to talk about what's going to happen in November.
If history can tell us anything, its that strong will and a better candidate than Kerry will overcome the right wing media.
Look at June 1992; if the country would have had that thinking back then, it would have been 4 more years of Bush and who knows, maybe the deficit would have tripled from what it was in 1992. Can you imagine that?
http://www.worldandi.com/public/1992/june/cr6.cfm
Can Clinton Save his Candidacy?
BY DONALD LAMBRO
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This is a year of turmoil and terror in the Democratic Party: Their likely presidential nominee battered, bloodied, and ridiculed even before the general election has begun; angry, unforgiving voters appear ready to wreak punishment on the scandal-ridden Democratic-controlled Congress; and a fiery anti-incumbent mood may be sweeping the nation.
Rarely, in contemporary American politics, has a prospective Democratic presidential standard-bearer emerged successfully from his early primaries burdened by so many deep public doubts about his character within his own party. This is the astonishing situation that now faces the Democrats and Bill Clinton as he moves to lock up the nomination and convince a doubting nation that he is not the "slick Willie" portrayed by his political enemies, depicted by the new media, and lampooned by late-night comedians.
The Arkansas governor's candidacy has need deeply weakened by allegations that he committed adultery during his marriage; that he personally took steps to avoid being drafted during the height of the Vietnam War; that he and his wife, Hillary, an influential lawyer with a prominent law firm that does business with the state, were insensitive to the appearance of conflict of interest throughout his governorship; and that he has been slippery and evasive in answering questions from the news media about his personal and professional conduct.
Clinton made his dubious national television debut on the CBS network's popular 60 Minutes program, following the Super Bowl telecast. On this show, in response to charges that he hand engaged in a 12-year affair with Geniffer Flowers, Clinton admitted that he had "made mistakes" in his marriage. Shortly after fighting his way back to emerge victorious in a no-holds-barred New York primary, and with the presidential nomination almost assured, his picture appeared on the cover of Time magazine beneath the ominous headline, "Why Voters Do Not Trust Clinton."
Although he had won 14 of the 20 primaries and caucuses since Super Tuesday, a good two-thirds of all Democratic primary voters said they wished they had another choice for the nomination. And 41 percent of all voters said they had a negative view of the former boy wonder of southern politics.
Trouble some Win:
The results of New York contest, a linchpin in any Democratic election strategy, were even more troublesome for Clinton's candidacy. Clinton managed to win it with 41 percent of the vote, but his earlier rival, former Massachusetts Sen. Paul Tsongas, who did not even campaign, ended up in second place, getting 29 percent of the vote.
Equally worrisome to the party was the record low turnout in the Democratic primaries, down 18 percent by mid-April. Democratic turnout was down 39 percent in New York alone over 1988, hitting new lows as well in Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, and Texas. That was further proof that Clinton was not attracting broad support from his own party, let alone the independents and working-class swing Democrats who are critical to any hope of a Democratic victory.
"The drop in the turnout has to terrify the Democratic Party, Tsongas said.
Gov. Mario Cuomo offered this blunt analysis when the New York primary was over: "The turnout numbers--low--and the Tsongas numbers--high--mean trouble. The campaign isn't working. There's no clear message. The voters hear the captain and officers and the crew squabbling, and they aren't im pressed with our ship."
It is little wonder, then, that a growing number of Democrats are only questioning Clinton's electability in the fall.
Many Democratic strategists and party activists think he may be able to regain some of his credibility among his party. But many others fear that his candidacy has been so badly damaged during the early primary process that he will find it nearly impossible to slough off his considerable negatives in a climate of widespread voter cynicism, suspicion, and anger toward all politicians.
In over three decades of political reporting, I cannot recall a time when some of the Democratic Party's senior strategists and adviser have spoken with such brutal candor about their likely nominee and his perceived weaknesses. Here's what some of them are saying:
"The negatives are forming on Bill Clinton like a political stalactite, drop by drop," said veteran Democratic consultant David Sawyer. "Each drip leaves a residue that builds on his negative image."
"The halls of Congress are filled with Democrats wringing their hands over their prospective nominee," Sawyer said.
Driving much of his hand-wringing is the fear that many democratic members of Congress are going to be especially vulnerable to a throw the buns out mood this fall, partly as a result of the House check overdraft scandal. "They are scared to death that there will be this mass rejection of incumbents," said a top Senate Democratic aide.
"With a weak candidate at the top of the ticket, and with Congress on the hot seat, it's the combination that's really scary to them." Said this aide. "The anti-incumbency thing is fueling a greater concern about who is going to lead the ticket."
Indeed, many Democrats fear that their primaries are about to deliver to them "the worst of all worlds, a bleeding front-runner stumbling over the finish line" to receive the Democratic presidential nomination, said Sawyer.
Another Democratic strategist, who conducts polls for the party, told me that in head-to-head polling against President George Bush, who has substantial negatives of his own, Clinton does poorly. "I did a poll in Idaho for a Senate race and we found that Bush had a 61 percent negative job approval rating. And yet Bush beats Clinton by 2-to1."
New York Democratic strategist Bill Cunningham, a close Cuomo adviser, said, "I don't know if you can raise further doubts about Clinton. The doubts already exist and they're becoming harder to dispel.
"It's sort of like Night of the Living Dead," Cunningham said of the draft-dodging issue that has dogged Clinton's campaign. It came alive again in the New York primary when Clinton confirmed reports that he had received his induction notice prior to his decision to enter the Reserve Officers Training Corps program--a pledge that he broke when it became clear that he would not be drafted under the national lottery system that was implemented at the time.
Underscoring Doubts:
The revelation underscored doubts that Clinton had not told the full story about his efforts to avoid military service during the Vietnam War years and that, say Democratic strategists, only further undermined his political credibility. "The Clinton people don't nail it down," Cunningham said. "It was another cut, another wound, and all of those wounds have an impact.
"You have to give Clinton credit for battling back all the time," he added. "But he also does not know how to finish off an issue. They keep cropping up again. And it reinforces the slick Willie image--he only answers part of the question.
"There's a perception building about Bill Clinton and that's the load he'll take into the general election," Cunningham continued. "A lot of people are dreading the general election right now."
Democratic media adviser David Garth similarly worries that "every time I think he's had his last wound he starts to bleed again and something else gets discovered.
"He hasn't done anything so terrible. It's just the way he plays it when confronted by charges or allegations," Garth told me. "If he would just stop trying to finesse the situation. It's not so much the thing he did that was so bad but how he handles it and people remember how he handles it.
"He's too cute by far. He talks like a lawyer when he says he didn't inhale [when he tried marijuana at Oxford]. I find it hard to believe. He should have just said it was a mistake. No one is going to hold one of those thing against him. But one thing they will hold against him is playing it a little too cute."
"Both of these candidates are so flawed that there is no possibility of their defeating President Bush," former New York Mayor Ed Koch said of both Clinton and former California Gov. Jerry Brown. "Bill Clinton has no credibility."
Koch, among a number of Democrats, wants to force a brokered convention in which party leaders would regroup behind an experienced national consensus candidate as an alternative to Clinton--perhaps Texas Sen. Lloyd Bentsen or Tennessee Sen. Albert Gore.
That was the private hope of party leaders such as Maryland Democratic Party Chairman Nate Landow who called a meeting of party fundraisers in late April to discuss Clinton's prospects and to reassess the nomination process. "Voters continue to have reservations about Clinton," Landow told me.
In a letter to party leaders, he said, "Many members are concerned, to say the least, about our party's prospects for winning in November and feel the need to discuss openly how we got to where we are and what options we have for the immediate future and for changing the [nominating ] process."
In early April, when it appeared briefly possible that Tsongas just might reenter the race, Oklahoma Sen. David Boren pleaded with him to get back in to offer the party a credible alternative to Clinton. "There are a lot of people who wish someone else would get into this race," said a Senate Democratic official.
Ominous Polls:
A look at the Gallup polls over the past few moths show why Democrats are becoming increasingly nervous about putting Clinton at the head of their ticket.
In a head-to-head match up on March 20, Bush led by only 52-43 percent and Clinton was indeed within striking range. But as the weekly disclosures took their toll during the ensuing primaries, Clinton's margin fell to 54-38 percent on March 29 and then fell further to 54-34 by the beginning of April.
Many Democrats fear that all of this points to the possibility of very negative general election if Clinton is the nominee.
"What's going to happen is that the Democrats will have a view of Bill Clinton and the Republicans will have a view of Bush and the swing voters will be the battleground," Cunningham said. "And the questions will be over the negative perceptions of the candidates and whose perceptions will dominate.
"When it gets down to the final two candidates, you are facing a very negative election," he said. "This is going to be a very depressing campaign--there's nothing uplifting about it. Bush is going to campaign on the fact that he's not Bill Clinton and Bill Clinton is going to campaign b y saying that things are terrible in America."
Yet it would be premature to suggest that the 1992 presidential election is already over. There are too many political variables in today's volatile social and economic climate to reach that conclusion. Bush has enough negatives at this point and there is enough voter discontent nationally to make this a horse race, at least in the popular vote.
"But right now the ammunition is there to use against Clinton," said Cunningham. "The worry among Democrats is that they [the Republicans] will refine it and shape it in such a way that the comparison with Bush in the general election will used skillfully against Clinton."
Yet there are some in the Democratic Party who think that the way things are going, the Republicans won't have to do much to run a successful campaign against Clinton. Said one key strategist in the Bush-Quayle campaign committee, "We're following the Napoleonic maxim: Never interfere with the enemy when they are in the process of destroying themselves."
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We know what happened next. We got one of the best presidents of all time and a reason for Rush Limbaugh to work. |
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| Ass Boil |
| ccockpirate can try to hide behind being young during the Clinton years, but Mike has no excuse. His is deliberate ignorance of facts... |
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| Ironpirate |
| Bush lost in 92 because the economy was doing badly and a southern charming democrat won. Then for 8 eights years we did nothing. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Ironpirate
Bush lost in 92 because the economy was doing badly and a southern charming democrat won. Then for 8 eights years we did nothing. |
Define "we did nothing" you dolt
I don't know about you but I got married and had three kids while Clinton was in office. |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by Ironpirate
Bush lost in 92 because the economy was doing badly and a southern charming democrat won. Then for 8 eights years we did nothing. |
Very thorough analysis. You should write history books..... for short bus conservatives like yourself... |
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| Ass Boil |
| Judging from most of your comments, there is no way you even read a cliff notes version of American history... |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
Judging from most of your comments, there is no way you even read a cliff notes version of American history... |
Considering the source, I'll accept cliff notes. |
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| atomizer |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
Attention all Left wing loons....don't waste all of your disappointment today. Although, it could be said that the pool of liberal disappointment and disgust is a bottomless pit. You will need plenty for the events of the summer/fall. Gas Prices will fall, Iraq will continue to improve, terrorists will continue to die and the Republicans will win in November. The Haditha Marines may even be cleared, which would be a true slap in the face to those who had the Marines convicted like that idiot Murtha. Crazytree would probably begin preparations for Hari Kari. On top of all that, the landslide you and everyone were so hoping for (and predicting) is crumbling right before your very eyes, and there is nothing you can do about it.
It's going to be fun to watch you flail and drown in a sea of your own hatred and stupidity.
Enjoy your summer of discontent! |
Can you do it without diebold machines, 'mike'?
You know nothing of harikari, and no one who has served would call a senior officer an 'idiot.'
I call you out as a liar. You did not serve, NCMike. I knew it before, and this proves it. |
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| Max-the-Silent |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
Attention all Left wing loons....don't waste all of your disappointment today. Although, it could be said that the pool of liberal disappointment and disgust is a bottomless pit. You will need plenty for the events of the summer/fall. Gas Prices will fall, Iraq will continue to improve , terrorists will continue to die and the Republicans will win in November. The Haditha Marines may even be cleared, which would be a true slap in the face to those who had the Marines convicted like that idiot Murtha. Crazytree would probably begin preparations for Hari Kari. On top of all that, the landslide you and everyone were so hoping for (and predicting) is crumbling right before your very eyes, and there is nothing you can do about it.
It's going to be fun to watch you flail and drown in a sea of your own hatred and stupidity.
Enjoy your summer of discontent! |
By whose definition? |
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| jigzaw |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
Attention all Left wing loons....don't waste all of your disappointment today. Although, it could be said that the pool of liberal disappointment and disgust is a bottomless pit. You will need plenty for the events of the summer/fall. Gas Prices will fall, Iraq will continue to improve, terrorists will continue to die and the Republicans will win in November. The Haditha Marines may even be cleared, which would be a true slap in the face to those who had the Marines convicted like that idiot Murtha. Crazytree would probably begin preparations for Hari Kari. On top of all that, the landslide you and everyone were so hoping for (and predicting) is crumbling right before your very eyes, and there is nothing you can do about it.
It's going to be fun to watch you flail and drown in a sea of your own hatred and stupidity.
Enjoy your summer of discontent! |
Um, you mean like how the summer of 2003 was supposed to be a major historic victory for the U.S. in Iraq, with flowers and candy in the streets and a plug-n-play democratic society just waiting for the ON switch to be flipped?
I'm totally with you on the war on terror, and am hoping like hell for major victories against these Islamist assholes, but if the past 5 years have tought me anything, it is to expect the completely unexpected. |
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| atomizer |
Quote: Originally posted by jigzaw
Um, you mean like how the summer of 2003 was supposed to be a major historic victory for the U.S. in Iraq, with flowers and candy in the streets and a plug-n-play democratic society just waiting for the ON switch to be flipped?
I'm totally with you on the war on terror, and am hoping like hell for major victories against these Islamist assholes, but if the past 5 years have tought me anything, it is to expect the completely unexpected. |
Expect worse. You won't be disappointed when JebOil wins 8 more years. |
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| HotShotMagic |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
Attention all Left wing loons....don't waste all of your disappointment today. Although, it could be said that the pool of liberal disappointment and disgust is a bottomless pit. You will need plenty for the events of the summer/fall. Gas Prices will fall, Iraq will continue to improve, terrorists will continue to die and the Republicans will win in November. The Haditha Marines may even be cleared, which would be a true slap in the face to those who had the Marines convicted like that idiot Murtha. Crazytree would probably begin preparations for Hari Kari. On top of all that, the landslide you and everyone were so hoping for (and predicting) is crumbling right before your very eyes, and there is nothing you can do about it.
It's going to be fun to watch you flail and drown in a sea of your own hatred and stupidity.
Enjoy your summer of discontent! |
The great thing about the internet is that these words will still be here to prove you right or wrong. See you in November for a re-cap. |
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| Turbo_Nerd_Eric |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
Attention all Left wing loons....don't waste all of your disappointment today. Although, it could be said that the pool of liberal disappointment and disgust is a bottomless pit. You will need plenty for the events of the summer/fall. Gas Prices will fall, Iraq will continue to improve, terrorists will continue to die and the Republicans will win in November. The Haditha Marines may even be cleared, which would be a true slap in the face to those who had the Marines convicted like that idiot Murtha. Crazytree would probably begin preparations for Hari Kari. On top of all that, the landslide you and everyone were so hoping for (and predicting) is crumbling right before your very eyes, and there is nothing you can do about it.
It's going to be fun to watch you flail and drown in a sea of your own hatred and stupidity.
Enjoy your summer of discontent! |
Wow such gloating and hate you are spewing forth.
Is this your compassionate conservatism at work? You sound like a frikin mad scientist. Muhahahahah first the liberals then the WORLD!!! |
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| jimmyritt33 |
| Unfortunatly this so called "war on terror" will never end, billions and billions (maybe even trillions) of dollars will be wasted in Iraq. Terrorists are not confined to just one country or nation, they are faceless animals hell bent on what they want to do. Bush can believe all he wants that he's winning the war in Iraq but when/if we "win" this stage of the war we'll just end up in a neighboring country doing the same thing, it's kind of like a dog chasing it's tail. We'll never win a war that cannot be defined by winning and losing. Just when we think we have the terrorists on the run, they'll re-group and bring in all of the nine and ten year old bastards to continue their misguided plight. |
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