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| Abba |
| On 6/19, Howard mentioned that he'd be all for internment camps. What do you think? Should the US again throw innocent Americans in internment camps for nothing other than the simple fact that they practice a religion other than Christianity or Judiasm? |
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| thoroldjames |
How about we throw every one who practices a religion in a camp?
would make things much better for the rest of us. |
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| Abba |
I can agree with that on the condition of one qualifier.
Those who shove their religion in your face should be interred, perhaps. Those who keep it personal can do what they will. |
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| Stickman |
Howard's overly simplistic response to complex political issues is for the purpose of entertainment. It's either that or he's really a fucking moron and had us very fooled.
This is a terrible idea. Who is the authority at these camps? The same folks who brought us Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and the US prision industry. No thanks. |
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| Ironpirate |
| Its a terrible idea, US citizens shouldn't ever be detained unless tryig to act out terrorism. |
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| Ass Boil |
I think we should throw all retaads in camps. Then watch the hilarity on hidden cameras...
ironpirate should be first off the bus... (the short bus, of course) |
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| Ironpirate |
| Wow, did you have to look that up? You're never funny and you're a total liberal douche bag. They should round all you up then the world would be a much better place without you assholes bitching and trying to run this country in the ground. But you know the funny thing is? Democrats wont win the Senate or the President in 08'. Maybe if you had answers and not act like girls....just maybe someone would vote for them. But Im going to bet NO. Have fun bitching and going to your liberal blog sites and copy/pasting them here. |
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| Crazytree |
| I'm sure most people's opinions would change if it were illegals who were being herded into camps. |
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| FatesWebb |
| this has got to be the one and only time we have all agreed on something. |
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| Abba |
Quote: Originally posted by FatesWebb
this has got to be the one and only time we have all agreed on something. |
I'm glad to see that there are some brains here, but I hvae to say that Howard's flippant comment definately influenced some people who aren't of our internet savvy ilk.
The fact of the matter is that those who would support internment are scared pussies.
America is greater than any single person, or even thousands of people. To illegally incarcerate law- abiding American citizens, or even legal residents would simply exacerbate our already precarious situaution. It would create more ill-will towards us from both without and within.
My wife's a flight attendant, and if anyone fears for a loved one in a quasi dangerous situation, it's me. Regardless of that, her life, my life, or anyone else's life is a pittance compared to our Nation's ideals.
Maybe Michael Moore's right; that we're a nation of fearful pussies who have been scared to death by society an the media. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Fear is the greatest weapon the Republicans have. Sun Tzu said that the man who does not fear death , can not be defeated.
Tey Republicans have used it for years.
Witness the RED SCARE of the 50s along with the Atomic Bomb/Missle gap?
The Russians could not have hit a specific target, let alone a specific city. They did not have many capable of reaching the USA either, but we bought into the massive defense build up and the Industrial defense complex on tidings of the Republican party to the great expense of the taxpayer. They campaign that big government is inefficent and doesn't work, then they get elected , enlarge the beauacracy and prove that it doesn't work.
Now we have the terrorist fear and the collapse of social security along with pensions and health care. Fear of ones future security is their mantra and they don't give a rats ass about anyone but themselves.
We have an administration who doesn't care for the common man or common decency, they use them as masks to acchieve personal finacial gain and power.
Everything thay have to deal with is termed a crisis. All they do is make sell fear as the basisi of their agenda. They have proven that they can't govern and take the responsibility that goes with it!
So as Franklin Delano Roosevelt said " The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself" This is a great country and we can overcome any problem, but not when we are being devided by fearmongerers like the Bush Administration. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
Fear is the greatest weapon the Republicans have. Sun Tzu said that the man who does not fear death , can not be defeated.
Tey Republicans have used it for years.
Witness the RED SCARE of the 50s along with the Atomic Bomb/Missle gap?
The Russians could not have hit a specific target, let alone a specific city. They did not have many capable of reaching the USA either, but we bought into the massive defense build up and the Industrial defense complex on tidings of the Republican party to the great expense of the taxpayer. They campaign that big government is inefficent and doesn't work, then they get elected , enlarge the beauacracy and prove that it doesn't work.
Now we have the terrorist fear and the collapse of social security along with pensions and health care. Fear of ones future security is their mantra and they don't give a rats ass about anyone but themselves.
We have an administration who doesn't care for the common man or common decency, they use them as masks to acchieve personal finacial gain and power.
Everything thay have to deal with is termed a crisis. All they do is make sell fear as the basisi of their agenda. They have proven that they can't govern and take the responsibility that goes with it!
So as Franklin Delano Roosevelt said " The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself" This is a great country and we can overcome any problem, but not when we are being devided by fearmongerers like the Bush Administration. |
Point taken but Roosevelt said that as we were in the midst of one of the greatest military build-ups the world has ever seen.
Sorry Billy but your sentiments are a big reason why the Democrats don't win elections. There are *real* threats in the world today. To suggest that the entire cold war was unnecessary is incredibly naive. Both political parties play on people's fear, the Republicans don't have the patent on that old one. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
You know your claim that we were in one of the greatest military build ups is a load of crap!
The words were used in FDR's first inauguration address in 1932.
He had to deal with the depression and bank failures and a laundry list of items left by the incompetent Presidents Harding and Coolidge. Who were by the way Republicans who favor big business much the same as the Bushes do.
Don't apply jingoist sloganism either. No one said the Cold War wasn't neccesary, but it was exacerbated by the fearmongerers. The Democrats won World War 2 . And it was a Democratic congress that was behind Desert Storm 1. The Republicans have held fear as the motivator far more to advance agendas of profit than the Democrats. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
You know your claim that we were in one of the greatest military build ups is a load of crap!
The words were used in FDR's first inauguration address in 1932.
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Yeah, you got me on that one, my bad.
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
He had to deal with the depression and bank failures and a laundry list of items left by the incompetent Presidents Harding and Coolidge. Who were by the way Republicans who favor big business much the same as the Bushes do. |
Sorry Billy, this is where you go off the tracks. Of all the major theories about the cause of the great depression, none blame the Republican party. It was a world wide economic downturn with a myriad of causes that many a book have been written about. Only a true ideologue would lay it at the feet of the Republicans and only an ideologue would blame the length of the depression on Roosevelt even though there is much evidence the New Deal never worked. WW2 is what lifted the US out of the depression. At the time, the political parties bore no resemblance to the present day. The depression is what created the two party system. Your claim is false and you're beginning to strike me as the flip side to NCMike. A partisan hack.
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
Don't apply jingoist sloganism either. No one said the Cold War wasn't neccesary, but it was exacerbated by the fearmongerers. |
No, you said exactly that when you stated:
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
The Russians could not have hit a specific target, let alone a specific city. They did not have many capable of reaching the USA either, but we bought into the massive defense build up and the Industrial defense complex on tidings of the Republican party to the great expense of the taxpayer. |
In your words, the cold war wasn't necessary.
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
The Democrats won World War 2 . And it was a Democratic congress that was behind Desert Storm 1. The Republicans have held fear as the motivator far more to advance agendas of profit than the Democrats. |
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LOL! You are a partisan hack! Hey Billy, got a pair of DNC jammies too!
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| Billyfromsphily |
Oh Brother! is partisan hack the best you can do? Explain how the 2 party system caused the depression? You just claimed that his statement was due to the military build up for WW2, Hitler wasn't even in power yet. So get the facts straight before you start the switching topics crap.
How did the Democrats not win WW 2? They were the party of power. Now don't stoop to the diversionary attacks. How you can twist the cold war wasn't neccesary, from it was overhyped is ludicrous.
Where did the usual theories about the depression come from? Since you don't know about the military build up.
The story is about the use of fear. stay the course on it.
Can't come up with a answer ? just the usual personal attacks. that always answers the questions doesn't it.
I usually agree with you Mike. Not like NC who is in his own little world with Ironbutt.
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| Ironpirate |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
can't come up with a answer ? just the usual personal attacks. thats original. |
hmmm sounds like what you do |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Yes after you cannot answer a question and bring it down to that level.
Afterall your avatar is giving everyone the finger......Pretty intelligent. |
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| Ironpirate |
| dont be jealous because you dont have one |
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| Billyfromsphily |
| Great response. Whats next the old rubber glue schoolyard response. How many credits did that win you at ECU? |
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| Kill Van Kull |
Ironpirate cut and pasted her avatar from a right-wing blog.
It's our president telling everyone his IQ test score.
Ironpirate got the same score on her test. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
Oh Brother! is partisan hack the best you can do? Explain how the 2 party system caused the depression? |
I never said that Billy. You said the Republican party cause the Great Depression. I said the two party system came about _because_ of the great depression, not caused the depression. AFAIAC, anyone who would make that claim can be fairly described as a partisan hack. I'm not here to defend any party but I will point out something I feel is factually inaccurate.
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
How did the Democrats not win WW 2? They were the party of power. Now don't stoop to the diversionary attacks. |
Gee wiz, I didn't know that the Democratic party fought the fucking war. I thought the god damn soldiers, sailors, airmen and officers fought the war! Only a true partisan would lay claim to victory in WW2 for the Democratic party. Unbelievable!
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
How you can twist the cold war wasn't neccesary, from it was overhyped is ludicrous. |
OK, let's get this straight... YOU WERE THE ONE WHO CLAIMED IT.
You said we over-hyped the Russians ambition, they were not a treat and Republican brought us into the cold war that started in 1947... Maybe you should read up on it.
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
The story is about the use of fear. stay the course on it.
can't come up with a answer ? just the usual personal attacks. thats original. |
I came up with an answer Billy, you just didn't like it. I also wasn't the one who started ranting about events that happened 50+years ago and slinging blame where it doesn't belong.
Just a short list of fear mongering tactics by Democrats
Loss of reproductive freedom
Turning the clock back on civil rights
Losing jobs
Having all our jobs exported to India
More Dirty air
More Dirty water
Bad education for our children and the loss of School lunch
Loss of social security.
Both parties play the game... |
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| Abba |
The depression happened because everyone was WAY overextended into massive personal debt, that when it came time to call in markers, there was no money to be had. Everyone was simply buying too many refridgerators, radios, and cars that there was no money left. Couple that with rampant, unchecked speculation and there's your depression.
The reason it doesn't happen nowadays is because of all the apparati we have in place, like the SEC, a solid floor for the Dow, etc... |
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| eclektq |
Quote: Originally posted by Abba
On 6/19, Howard mentioned that he'd be all for internment camps. What do you think? Should the US again throw innocent Americans in internment camps for nothing other than the simple fact that they practice a religion other than Christianity or Judiasm? |
Their religion is the distruction of all other religions, Their religion is so disgusting in its beliefs, That they have to destroy all others to keep free thought squelched, Have you read the koran?? Have you heard of waddiism? Brother I appreciate your love of freedom and all things American, However when a group or religion hides behind our rights and freedoms to destroy them and in turn us, should be sent back to the litterbox of a country they came from, IRA included, and I'm Irish! The caption " To protect the constitution from ALL ENEMYS, Foreign and DOMESTIC, The line must be drawn somewhere, :usa: |
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| eclektq |
Quote: Originally posted by Ironpirate
dont be jealous because you dont have one |
Huge props to Ironpirate, Love the Prez, Gotta nut when he pointed out that liberal asswipe reporter to Cheny, And called him a "Collossal asshole" ..........................What a guy!! :ps: |
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| eclektq |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
I never said that Billy. You said the Republican party cause the Great Depression. I said the two party system came about _because_ of the great depression, not caused the depression. AFAIAC, anyone who would make that claim can be fairly described as a partisan hack. I'm not here to defend any party but I will point out something I feel is factually inaccurate.
Gee wiz, I didn't know that the Democratic party fought the fucking war. I thought the god damn soldiers, sailors, airmen and officers fought the war! Only a true partisan would lay claim to victory in WW2 for the Democratic party. Unbelievable!
OK, let's get this straight... YOU WERE THE ONE WHO CLAIMED IT.
You said we over-hyped the Russians ambition, they were not a treat and Republican brought us into the cold war that started in 1947... Maybe you should read up on it.
I came up with an answer Billy, you just didn't like it. I also wasn't the one who started ranting about events that happened 50+years ago and slinging blame where it doesn't belong.
Just a short list of fear mongering tactics by Democrats
Loss of reproductive freedom
Turning the clock back on civil rights
Losing jobs
Having all our jobs exported to India
More Dirty air
More Dirty water
Bad education for our children and the loss of School lunch
Loss of social security.
Both parties play the game... |
20 million dead russians at the hand of "Poppa Joe" Can't be wrong..... God bless Ronald Reagan!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| eclektq |
Quote: Originally posted by Abba
The depression happened because everyone was WAY overextended into massive personal debt, that when it came time to call in markers, there was no money to be had. Everyone was simply buying too many refridgerators, radios, and cars that there was no money left. Couple that with rampant, unchecked speculation and there's your depression.
The reason it doesn't happen nowadays is because of all the apparati we have in place, like the SEC, a solid floor for the Dow, etc... |
I prefer getting the rundown on the depression from those who lived it.....Not some tenured, ivory towered, out of touch professer of anything who could'nt feed themselves out here in the midst of the racing rats............ :4321: |
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| thoroldjames |
[QUOTE=Billyfromsphily] The Democrats won World War 2 . . [/QUOTE
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I know of 20 million dead Russians and 1 nasty Russian winter who would disagree with that statement.
huh, that quoted funny, must have fucked it up :jester: |
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| thoroldjames |
Quote: Originally posted by Abba
The depression happened because everyone was WAY overextended into massive personal debt, that when it came time to call in markers, there was no money to be had. Everyone was simply buying too many refridgerators, radios, and cars that there was no money left. Couple that with rampant, unchecked speculation and there's your depression.
The reason it doesn't happen nowadays is because of all the apparati we have in place, like the SEC, a solid floor for the Dow, etc... |
Income Inequality was another widely recognized factor leading to it,
when a small % of the population holds most of the wealth didn't work then, and it won't work now. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
My point is that the Administration in hand, WHATEVER PARTY THAT IS, should get credit and take responsibility for the victories or the defeats. Whose watch did it happen on !!!!!!!
No shit that a lot of people died. The crosses in the cemetarys don't say liberal or conservative , do they?? |
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| thoroldjames |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
No shit that a lot of people died. The crosses in the cemetarys don't say liberal or conservative , do they?? |
holy shit, don't give bush @ co. any ideas. :D |
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| Abba |
Quote: Originally posted by eclektq
Their religion is the distruction of all other religions, Their religion is so disgusting in its beliefs, That they have to destroy all others to keep free thought squelched, Have you read the koran ?? Have you heard of waddiism ? Brother I appreciate your love of freedom and all things American, However when a group or religion hides behind our rights and freedoms to destroy them and in turn us, should be sent back to the litterbox of a country they came from, IRA included, and I'm Irish! The caption " To protect the constitution from ALL ENEMYS, Foreign and DOMESTIC, The line must be drawn somewhere, :usa: |
Have you read the Quran?
Waddiism, No, but I've heard of "Wahhabiism". It's a sect of Totalitarian Islam who's followers number in the thousands worldwide, and who's adherents carried out 9/11. I personally know many muslims who are American, and I see no problem with them. I also am friendly with some Hasidim and some strict Catholics. I'm sorry but your perception of American Islam is a mirror image of every distorted stereotype out there.
I have read much of the Quran in Arabic as well as English to see what the fuss is about, and the "famous" passages used to illustrate its evil are taken completely out of context to the point that they're used even out of the sentences they belong in.
That's like taking the phrase "kill all the children" out of the Bible to justify mass killing, even though the complete sentence is "Pharoah said "Kill all the children who show signs of the Plague, lest they infect the rest of the population".
Same shit. |
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| Crazytree |
| I join Abba in condemning racial prejudice of all stripes. :D |
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| muntz |
Quote: Originally posted by Ironpirate
Its a terrible idea, US citizens shouldn't ever be detained unless tryig to act out terrorism. |
the problem is the leader can interpret this to anything... like taking water, burning a cd, passing a british newspaper... youre really happy these neocons are in power... dont you want things a little better? i wish i could show you what i see... the misery the fear, the sadness.... i wish you could understand.... but my prayers go unanswered... your G-d is mightier than mine, but im still alive so, he has failed.... |
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| HighPitchHoward |
| How about we just defend our borders and enforce sensible immigration laws like every other sane country on the planet? |
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| Crazytree |
Quote: Originally posted by HighPitchHoward
How about we just defend our borders and enforce sensible immigration laws like every other sane country on the planet? |
because we've become the world's superpower in part by allowing large groups of low-wage workers to come in to our country. |
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| Dre_1966 |
| I know the idea is intriguing. But it is very unamerican. Thought I don't have any problem with blowing the f***** brains out of any terriosit we find. |
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