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| spcronin |
Who you got?
I think Tito will win, but I'll be rooting for Shamrock.
Hope class can beat his ass! |
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| highpowered350 |
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| brokenbricks |
| that big fat black guy |
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| BonswanaMiliken |
| I will be rooting for Shamrock and Sylvia. |
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| rizzo |
| Ortiz will mop the octagon with Shamrock. Sylvia will take the title again. |
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| chi-town324 |
| Tito although its a shitty fight...bring back Chuck Liddell !! |
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| Eyezondaya |
| tito 1st round ref stoppage arlovski knocks sylvia out in 1st round |
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| smckinney |
| I am going to Vegas on Thursday for the fight. GO TITO!!! I am so excited!!!!!! KILL SHAMROCK!! |
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| bazookahead |
| the tito shammy fight is a farce, shouldn't be competitive at all... and AA should KO or sub syliva early... tim is way overrated... smckinney, have a great time, mandalay is incredible... |
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| DandyM |
I think Arlovski will win. Sylvia's win last time didn't look convincing. He was gonna go down and got away with a desperate ko punch.
Tito will destroy Shamrock. |
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| Pitbull |
I don't want Tito to win, but I think he will. Put them in the street though and Ken would take him.
I would like to see AA take the belt back, but lost a lot of respect for him that last fight. They really need some better Heavyweights! |
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| GayTony |
| Tito and Tim all the way, sez Tony....... |
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| Mike Ness321 |
| Tito is gonna whoop Shamrock's ass. Im hoping AA will win. |
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| bishop1019 |
Tito will destroy Shamrock again,
Second Rd Ref stoppage
I think AA will submit Silvia late in the first round |
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| Turd_Cutter |
| I think Tito will win. The Arlovski vs Sylvia fight is hard to call. Arlovski's chin is so weak that if Sylvia connects at all, it's over. |
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| WillowGlen |
I bought into the Tito/Shamrock bullshit hype the first time. They arent getting my money again.
You knew Shamrock was doomed when they showed them training. Ortiz was training with champions who were bigger than him. Shamrock was training with his students whose asses Ortiz had already kicked. |
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| ndhalogod |
The hype never meant much the first time. Shamrock is exactly what Tito refers to him as---a glorified pro wrestler. Who has he beaten in the past 10 years that isn't horrible? And please, don't say Kimo.
Right now, the line is hovering between Tito -500 and -550. This fight probably isn't worth betting on either way. I give Ken a small chance of a flash KO (3-5%), a small chance of freak injury to Tito (1%), and that's literally it. The fight game has passed him up. His cardio won't be where it needs to be, and after the first 2 minutes of his wild striking, Tito will take him down and GnP at will.
Tito by stoppage early round 2 with Ken's face looking like a pizza again.
I personally love Tim Sylvia as a value bet, so my money will be on him.
Who do you guys like in Yves Edwards-Joe Stevenson, Josh Neer-Josh Burkman, and Frank Mir-Dan Christison?
Mir is only -250. If he isn't totally finished, it's a great bet. |
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| italiafem |
| I hope Ortiz beats that Irish fuck so bad. Sylvia will take it again. 3 of Tito's fighters end up in the finals. he is the better man. |
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| Turd_Cutter |
Quote: Originally posted by ndhalogod
The hype never meant much the first time. Shamrock is exactly what Tito refers to him as---a glorified pro wrestler. Who has he beaten in the past 10 years that isn't horrible? And please, don't say Kimo.
Right now, the line is hovering between Tito -500 and -550. This fight probably isn't worth betting on either way. I give Ken a small chance of a flash KO (3-5%), a small chance of freak injury to Tito (1%), and that's literally it. The fight game has passed him up. His cardio won't be where it needs to be, and after the first 2 minutes of his wild striking, Tito will take him down and GnP at will.
Tito by stoppage early round 2 with Ken's face looking like a pizza again.
I personally love Tim Sylvia as a value bet, so my money will be on him.
Who do you guys like in Yves Edwards-Joe Stevenson, Josh Neer-Josh Burkman, and Frank Mir-Dan Christison?
Mir is only -250. If he isn't totally finished, it's a great bet. |
I think there is some serious potential for upsets here man. Burkman and Stevenson have been rolling with Tito and company in big bear, so I don't expect Stevenson to gas like he did last time. I'm taking both Stevenson and Burkman as dogs. As far as Mir goes, without bashing him, I just don't think his heart is in it. They are feeding him Christison but I could really see Mir losing, that is, if the Mir from his last match shows up. |
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| bazookahead |
Quote: Originally posted by ndhalogod
The hype never meant much the first time. Shamrock is exactly what Tito refers to him as---a glorified pro wrestler. Who has he beaten in the past 10 years that isn't horrible? And please, don't say Kimo.
Right now, the line is hovering between Tito -500 and -550. This fight probably isn't worth betting on either way. I give Ken a small chance of a flash KO (3-5%), a small chance of freak injury to Tito (1%), and that's literally it. The fight game has passed him up. His cardio won't be where it needs to be, and after the first 2 minutes of his wild striking, Tito will take him down and GnP at will.
Tito by stoppage early round 2 with Ken's face looking like a pizza again.
I personally love Tim Sylvia as a value bet, so my money will be on him.
Who do you guys like in Yves Edwards-Joe Stevenson, Josh Neer-Josh Burkman, and Frank Mir-Dan Christison?
Mir is only -250. If he isn't totally finished, it's a great bet. |
definite value in sylvia, I just don't think he'll get away with another KO... I think AA will take it to the ground where he far outclasses sylvia...
biggest bet of the night for me is on stevenson... he should be a monster at 155 and have recovered from his injuries... the line on him has gone down from +220 to +190 on some sites..
far as neer and burkman, really don't know these guys well enough... didn't have a feeling either way... both guys are very unpredictable and I'd say burkman should take it, but not confident enough to bet...
mir should win... I think they still really want him to be a heavyweight contendar as they have little else that's recognizable.. and the UFC is pretty good about feeding a prospect they want to go on the right opponent... I say the "90% favorites win" rule is in effect with this fight... |
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| bazookahead |
| p.s. jerome ellis at +360 tonight!! come on boomer!!! |
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| bazookahead |
| booyah!!! ellis with 6th round KO!!! |
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| ManChowder |
Who is the last big name guy that Shamrock fought and won aginst? I think it might have been the Rock in the WWF.
I dont like Tito but I think he is going to win |
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| Blade_Jones |
| Rooting for Shamrock and Sylvia, but both will probably lose. Saw a Pride fight where Shamrock just ran out of gas and quit! If it goes beyond a round then Shamrock is in trouble... big trouble. |
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| Turd_Cutter |
Quote: Originally posted by bazookahead
definite value in sylvia, I just don't think he'll get away with another KO... I think AA will take it to the ground where he far outclasses sylvia...
biggest bet of the night for me is on stevenson... he should be a monster at 155 and have recovered from his injuries... the line on him has gone down from +220 to +190 on some sites..
far as neer and burkman, really don't know these guys well enough... didn't have a feeling either way... both guys are very unpredictable and I'd say burkman should take it, but not confident enough to bet...
mir should win... I think they still really want him to be a heavyweight contendar as they have little else that's recognizable.. and the UFC is pretty good about feeding a prospect they want to go on the right opponent... I say the "90% favorites win" rule is in effect with this fight... |
Nice! I put money down on Stevenson and Sylvia. I am laying off the Burkman fight. Burkman is a killer wrestler and really strong but you can't ever count out a Miletich guy like Neer. My hunch is Burkman. Enjoy the fights my friend. |
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| deidler |
Quote: Originally posted by ndhalogod
Shamrock is exactly what Tito refers to him as---a glorified pro wrestler. |
Really, ya think so? I think the guy is just an egomaniac that didn't want to evolve with the sport. He had his style and refused to change it.
Tito seems to be maturing. Kind of in a really unreal way. The next Militech perhaps? I don't know. I like the new attitude with a mix of the old. I don't think he has the goods to become champ again. However, I see him churning out a few. The guy seems to have some serious dedication and most of all heart for the sport. He seems to really love it. This new Tito with little splashes of old is great. He is going to be good for the sport the way he is going right now.
As far as fighting Shamrock...... Shamrock might need a stretcher. |
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| SamuraiSword |
For some reason I didn't like Tito at first. He came across a bit too arrogant for my taste.
BUT, the guy works hard and appears to be a good coach. I think this fight will be even more of a mismatch than the last time. Tito wins, no problem. |
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| danalange |
Quote: Originally posted by SamuraiSword
Tito wins, no problem. |
Agreed. Also, Arlovski will win the title back, no problem. Sylvia is way overrated. josh Burkhart is the only other one that i'm familiar with, he was up in Big Bear (anyone watch the special?) with Tito so I think he's go a good chance of a win. |
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| jackelneck |
Silvia
Ortiz
Christianson
Neer
Stevenson
others no real feelings on....shrimp before the MAIN COURSE...IMO |
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| ndhalogod |
Quote: Originally posted by danalange
Agreed. Also, Arlovski will win the title back, no problem. Sylvia is way overrated. josh Burkhart is the only other one that i'm familiar with, he was up in Big Bear (anyone watch the special?) with Tito so I think he's go a good chance of a win. |
What are you basing that on? Arlovski's glass chin or his stubborness about using his ground game? Josh BurkMAN is not exactly out-training Neer just because he was on a shitty Spike TV special. Neer will be in as great shape too---Miletich doesn't fuck around.
Christison sucks. If Mir loses this fight, start sending in some donations. Othewise, he and Mark Kerr will be doing gay porn for cash. |
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| Carnival Man |
| Isn't Shamrock getting a little old? Maybe there should be age classes now too!?! :p |
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| bazookahead |
Quote: Originally posted by Turd_Cutter
Nice! I put money down on Stevenson and Sylvia. I am laying off the Burkman fight. Burkman is a killer wrestler and really strong but you can't ever count out a Miletich guy like Neer. My hunch is Burkman. Enjoy the fights my friend. |
cutter... what do you see in sylvia that you think he's gonna win?? is it more AA's chin or do you consider sylvia that much better... I ask cause I've never really been impressed with tim and have always considered him overrated... interesed to hear what you see in him that I'm missing...
any ways, good luck, wasn't that excited about this card but can't help feel the fever of a mma ppv as it nears.. |
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| deidler |
| Tim Overrated? He isn't even rated. Nobody gives him credit. The guy obviously does have a punch. Is he the greatest? No! He has been pretty impressive though. He pretty much sent Rodriguez' career into the dumps and he took a punch that sent him straint down popped up and put a lickin on AA. He should get some credit. AA beats him and AA becomes the greatest thing ever. He beats AA and everyone says AA has a weak chin. The dude just doesn't get any credit. So I hardly think he's overrated. |
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| coreyconway |
| Tito Ortiz and the Pitbull are my picks to win. |
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| Turd_Cutter |
Quote: Originally posted by bazookahead
cutter... what do you see in sylvia that you think he's gonna win?? is it more AA's chin or do you consider sylvia that much better... I ask cause I've never really been impressed with tim and have always considered him overrated... interesed to hear what you see in him that I'm missing...
any ways, good luck, wasn't that excited about this card but can't help feel the fever of a mma ppv as it nears.. |
Well, here's the deal on Sylvia vs. Arlovski my friend. I would say I'm taking Sylvia, 80 percent because of Arlovski's chin, and 20 percent on Sylvia smartening up. How many times can Sylvia get hit with the same fucking overhand right counter to the lazy left jab!! When you think about it, for all his killer technique, Arlovski's go-to shot is the counter overhand right. He finished his last three fights with it, Buentello once and Sylvia twice. Hey, if it ain't broke, why fix it? I have to think Sylvia has smartened up since then and will keep his punches crisp and hopefully use more feints like he did when he set Telligman up for that kick. Furthermore, I just don't see Arlovski taking Sylvia down with anything but his fists. Ask yourself, when was the last time you saw Arlovski shoot and take someone down EVER? I honestly cannot think of one instance! Besides, in the off-chance that he does try, Sylvia trains with some of the best wrestlers in MMA! He actually laughed at Ricco's takedown attempts! Anything can happen as you well know, but for the betting value, I am taking the Maine-iac. |
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| bazookahead |
cutter... thanks... and I agree... guy with sylvia's punch and AA's whiskers is always gonna be a value at +200'ish.. and while tim has been hard to take down, I am predicting AA will get it him down in the first... I think Tim will be so preoccupied with the right that AA will have an opening and feel safer on the ground..
but I hope I'm wrong for your sake.. the line has been creeping down off AA.. I know some heavy hitters that will absolutely bomb the line if AA reaches anywhere near -200, so the late action should be interesting to watch from a gambling perspective...
enjoy the fights..
and deilder, overrated cause the majority of mma rankings list him as #3 HW over crocop and barnett... |
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| deidler |
Quote: Originally posted by bazookahead
and deilder, overrated cause the majority of mma rankings list him as #3 HW over crocop and barnett... |
I don't know how much one can take mma rankings seriously. But, I understand your stance. I just want to see Vera fight either AA or Tim. |
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| ndhalogod |
Mmanews' rankings are just a handful of guys getting around and voting/compromising on the rankings. That's totally irrelevant. In addition, the loser of AA-Sylvia 3 (AA) will be automatically below Barnett (just beat Hunt) and Cro Cop (just beat Yoshida). And where's Paulo Filho?
I'm not saying Sylvia is a guaranteed win, but if anyone thinks there's a 2:1 chance that Arlovski will win, they haven't seen his porous standup. The guy has been KO'd cold 4 times, and it isn't a fluke. I don't see Tim tapping to another heel hook, either.
I locked the line in at +250 for Tim awhile back, so I'm quite happy.
As far as Tim ending Ricco's career...I'd say it had more to do with the cheap buffets than Sylvia's dominance. |
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| deidler |
Quote: Originally posted by ndhalogod
As far as Tim ending Ricco's career...I'd say it had more to do with the cheap buffets than Sylvia's dominance. |
Funny! But it seems to be the reason he let himself go. Of course you definately know more than I about the subject. Speaking of Sylvia.... How many clean world class fighters do you think there are on steroids? They had a steroid special on mtv awhile back. One of the guys on steroids was trying to break into the mma game. He did steroids up until the point where they couldn't be detected. I'm guessing most of the fighters do this. |
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| chris-miranda |
| arlovski & ortiz will win |
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| deidler |
| How about Liddell V babalu? |
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| bazookahead |
would love to see vera get his shot as well... he's putting together a full arsenal of mma and seems to have a decent enough attitude (and great coaches) to take him to the top tier...
regarding liddell and babalu, this is the fight I'm most looking forward to... I seem to be in the minority thinking babalu is going to win this... as moronic as it sounds, liddell impresses me in that he wins, but never really in how he looks doing it... I think babalu's greco will be the factor... chuck has a great defense against low takedowns, but as randy showed in their first fight, he is susceptable to throws from the clinch...
once on the ground, I don't see chuck sitting up on babalu.. I'm going with babs in a sub victory, but have had many people smarter than I say I'm crazy and chuck will walk through him like before... curious what the line will be.. I'm getting the impression that it's gonna resemble the AA vs sylvia line...
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| Turd_Cutter |
Quote: Originally posted by deidler
Funny! But it seems to be the reason he let himself go. Of course you definately know more than I about the subject. |
Ricco is fighting again on July 22nd in the WFA show. It will be interesting to see if he is still a giant marshmallow with a creamy nougat center. |
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| Turd_Cutter |
Quote: Originally posted by bazookahead
would love to see vera get his shot as well... he's putting together a full arsenal of mma and seems to have a decent enough attitude (and great coaches) to take him to the top tier...
regarding liddell and babalu, this is the fight I'm most looking forward to... I seem to be in the minority thinking babalu is going to win this... as moronic as it sounds, liddell impresses me in that he wins, but never really in how he looks doing it... I think babalu's greco will be the factor... chuck has a great defense against low takedowns, but as randy showed in their first fight, he is susceptable to throws from the clinch...
once on the ground, I don't see chuck sitting up on babalu.. I'm going with babs in a sub victory, but have had many people smarter than I say I'm crazy and chuck will walk through him like before... curious what the line will be.. I'm getting the impression that it's gonna resemble the AA vs sylvia line...
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You're not crazy. I was impressed with how easily Babalu took Van Arsdale's back, not easy considering Van Arsdale was an alternate for the Olympic wrestling team and gave Couture all he could handle before falling into an anaconda choke. I am really interested to see if Babalu can take Chuck's back, something I've never seen happen. |
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| HeadCase |
Tito will turn Shamrock's face into Frankenstein once again. After watching Shamrocks' shameful performance as a coach on UF3, this will be fun to watch.
Silvia will win by knockout in the 1st Round once again. |
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| The Big Gunk |
| Tito and Arlovski |
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| Vinny62 |
| Tito is goin to beat the shit out of shamrock. And arloskie is goin to take back the belt. ( Hey did anybody hear the tito interview, what the fuck is wrong with ferrall he would not shut the shut up when tito was trying to answer a question. I think is ferrall know is sports but sometimes SHUT THE FUCK UP....anybody agree |
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| Turd_Cutter |
Quote: Originally posted by Vinny62
Tito is goin to beat the shit out of shamrock. And arloskie is goin to take back the belt. ( Hey did anybody hear the tito interview, what the fuck is wrong with ferrall he would not shut the shut up when tito was trying to answer a question. I think is ferrall know is sports but sometimes SHUT THE FUCK UP....anybody agree |
I didn't hear the interview but everyone in the Bubba forum said that's exactly what happened. He was basically doing his same schtick, didn't know anything about mma and stepped on Tito's lines like they were on fucking fire. |
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| bazookahead |
Quote: Originally posted by Turd_Cutter
You're not crazy. I was impressed with how easily Babalu took Van Arsdale's back, not easy considering Van Arsdale was an alternate for the Olympic wrestling team and gave Couture all he could handle before falling into an anaconda choke. I am really interested to see if Babalu can take Chuck's back, something I've never seen happen. |
yup... babalu's wrestling/greco is no joke... winning the bronze at the pan ams with barely any training (and with his former lifestyle) is saying something...
the arsdale vs couture match is still one of my favs... best display of wrestling by two guys I've ever seen in mma... I always forget though that chuck wrestling in high school and DI college... just don't see it in him... always seems lost on the ground to me and not just in a bjj way...
both guys have been having fanstastic matches lately and even if my boy babalu doesn't pull it out, I think it wil be one of the more memorable title matches... |
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| Baldguy71 |
Ortiz probably will win - rooting for Shamrock though
Hoping Arlovski kills the "Maine"-iak !!! |
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| wickedhahn |
Tito Ortiz to win by tko in late round 1 or early round 2
Andrei Arlovski to win by ko round 1
Frank Mir to win by submission second round
Josh Neer to win by tko late round 2 or early 3
Joe Stevenson to win by submission round 2
Jeff Monson to win by ko round 2
the rest of the fights i don't care who wins |
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| ndhalogod |
Van Arsdale is a can.
Did you guys hear that Frank Mir weighed in at 262? For those of you who don't know, his prime fighting weight was 240-245. I haven't seen pics, but this just can't be good. Mir is notorious for not training cardio too hard. I may be leaning towards Christison. |
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| MVPnis |
who cares?????this is the worst card the UFC has ever put on.
With the PRIDE open weight GP, WFA (signed with showtime), and IFL- the UFC better stop putting on these bullshit cards.
Cant wait for WFA- John Lewis should have help on to it. Looks like alot of money is goin into it. Signed Rampge Jackson , Bas Rutten and Lyoto Machido (Undefeated -koe'd rich frankling, and beat BJ PENN)
The way the UFC is going, they might become the worst MMA organization in the sport with all these mismatches. Maybe Vince McMahon DID by the UFC.How do you sell Hughes/Gracie , Ortiz/Sharock, Bad Heavy/Bad heavy every PPV- the American public will eventaully catch on. I mean ,its like trying to market a one-on-one basketball game with Dr. J and Lebron james. How many times can they do this? |
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| deidler |
Quote: Originally posted by MVPnis
who cares?????this is the worst card the UFC has ever put on.
With the PRIDE open weight GP, WFA (signed with showtime), and IFL- the UFC better stop putting on these bullshit cards.
Cant wait for WFA- John Lewis should have help on to it. Looks like alot of money is goin into it. Signed Rampge Jackson , Bas Rutten and Lyoto Machido (Undefeated -koe'd rich frankling, and beat BJ PENN)
The way the UFC is going, they might become the worst MMA organization in the sport with all these mismatches. Maybe Vince McMahon DID by the UFC.How do you sell Hughes/Gracie , Ortiz/Sharock, Bad Heavy/Bad heavy every PPV- the American public will eventaully catch on. I mean ,its like trying to market a one-on-one basketball game with Dr. J and Lebron james. How many times can they do this? |
I agree that this card is not good. I would also agree that the past few cards kind of sucked, to put it nicely. However, you have Gsp v Hughes coming up as well as Liddell v Babalu. Hopefully the rest of the cards won't suck. They have a problem though. Trying to capitalize on the TUF popularity is what is driving fight match-ups. Setting Hughes up against Gracie sells. It sells old product to the new fan who wants to see what the hype is. It is a business. One that is actually being run great at the moment. The match ups will start to change and this season of TUF will bring in established fighters that the new fans are not familiar with. There will be better fights. Bringing back the lightweights will also add some excitement. The UFC is on the way up. Just takes time.
What is the line on Franca? |
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| ndhalogod |
Quote: Originally posted by deidler
What is the line on Franca? |
It isn't up on pinny yet.
At bodog, it's Franca -660, Jordan +380.
At betonfighting, it's Franca -480, Jordan +400.
Just a note to noobs out there, don't bet on MMA at bodog unless you enjoy being robbed. Their splits are frequently over 100. |
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| ndhalogod |
Quote: Originally posted by MVPnis
who cares?????this is the worst card the UFC has ever put on.
With the PRIDE open weight GP, WFA (signed with showtime), and IFL- the UFC better stop putting on these bullshit cards.
Cant wait for WFA- John Lewis should have help on to it. Looks like alot of money is goin into it. Signed Rampge Jackson , Bas Rutten and Lyoto Machido (Undefeated -koe'd rich frankling, and beat BJ PENN)
The way the UFC is going, they might become the worst MMA organization in the sport with all these mismatches. Maybe Vince McMahon DID by the UFC.How do you sell Hughes/Gracie , Ortiz/Sharock, Bad Heavy/Bad heavy every PPV- the American public will eventaully catch on. I mean ,its like trying to market a one-on-one basketball game with Dr. J and Lebron james. How many times can they do this? |
Are you really going to badmouth the UFC when the main event for the WFA show is Kimo vs. Bas Rutten? The UFC is spreading out their talent on Spike, PPV, and (soon) HBO. It's simply smart business to ride the MMA boom and pay as little as possible. When WFA starts putting out solid bi-monthly ppv's and IFL has a little better quality product, Dana may take notice. In the meantime, the guy is just maximizing profits. You can't argue with the UFC 60 buyrates and steady TUF ratings.
On a more specific note, why hijack a thread on UFC 61 for UFC vs. Pride/WFA? Start another thread with the hating if you'd like. I'm sick of every MMA discussion on EVERY board being turned into a promotional pissing contest. |
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| Turd_Cutter |
Quote: Originally posted by ndhalogod
Van Arsdale is a can.
Did you guys hear that Frank Mir weighed in at 262? For those of you who don't know, his prime fighting weight was 240-245. I haven't seen pics, but this just can't be good. Mir is notorious for not training cardio too hard. I may be leaning towards Christison. |
Does this mean your prediction of Mir doing gay porn with Mark Kerr if he loses may come to fruition? I already put some money on Christiason. I'm telling you guys, I really feel like Mir doesn't want it anymore. |
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| Turd_Cutter |
Quote: Originally posted by ndhalogod
It isn't up on pinny yet.
At bodog, it's Franca -660, Jordan +380.
At betonfighting, it's Franca -480, Jordan +400.
Just a note to noobs out there, don't bet on MMA at bodog unless you enjoy being robbed. Their splits are frequently over 100. |
Sportsbook.com Hermes Franca -500 Joe Jordan +400 |
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| One Hitter |
| i am going to see this tonight with some peopls... should be a fun night |
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| heynow23 |
| Tito is going to kick Shamrock's ass. Just like Gracie, just like Randy C.....these old timers think they still got it. And for the Sylvia vs Arlovski fight...im going with Sylvia. Hes just a big monster. I think he'll win, but i dont care really. |
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| ndhalogod |
My picks:
Fickett over Pellegrino via Decision
Monson over Perosh via 2nd Round Submission
Kongo over Aldana via 1st Round KO
Christison over Mir via 2nd Round TKO
Yves over Stevenson via Decision
Neer over Burkman via 2nd Round Submission
Tito over Shamrock via 2nd Round TKO
Sylvia over Arlovski via 2nd Round KO |
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| ndhalogod |
FYI, the later action has been on Stevenson, Burkman (a ton), Sylvia (a ton), and Mir.
I just watched Tito-Ken 1. I don't see how the Tito fight can go any differently. Ken's striking game hasn't evolved, he still has insufficient cardio, and his ground game is nil sans leglocks. He's going to gut things out for the 1st round and Big John will stop the fight after a barrage of elbows in Round 2.
Arlovski's chin sucks. If Sylvia is patient, he's simply going to push the button eventually.
I was honestly unsure on Neer-Burkman. Both guys have great heart and are improving. Neer is coming off of a big win, Burkman off of a big loss. Will that matter?
I think Stevenson is going to LnP and the judges will give more weight to Yves' superior strikes. This will be another close one.
Mir is 20 pounds overweight. If he doesn't tap Dan in the first 2 minutes, Dan's odds if winning will increase exponentially as time goes by. PLEASE DON'T LET HIM GET AN EARLY TAKEDOWN!
Monson will just outclass Perosh on the ground.
I know nothing about Cheick Kongo other than that he looked like a complete MONSTER at the weigh-ins. That's enough to get me on board for him when he's fighting a guy that got dominated by Paul Buentello.
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| monty1 |
| is ufc shady --- is this for real --- another couple shows like that and it will cut their audience in half --- if it is real it will get more popular if not it will go away ---- THE MANIAC RULES |
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| One Hitter |
idk this is the first one ive watched and i was kind of alienated
the end of that shamrock/ortiz fight was bullshit even tho u knew ortiz would win.. still after that black guy in the first fight almost bled to death we were like what the fuck
and seriosuly if you have a fucking main event UFC match and it's a sissified version of a boxing match, you need to change some rules
i cant wait for liddel fight in november
but after this ufc im glad im a WWE fan |
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| bazookahead |
| thank god only laid down on stevenson... was a good hit when he opened up in the 200's... haven't watched the fights yet, sounded like a lackluster night with a totally anti-climatic tito/shammy and championship fight... |
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| edwards/stevenson was motn by far |
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| MVPnis |
| I take back my negative UFC smack. Basically , if they ripped my off these last two UFCs that would be OK- if VANDERLIA SILVA fought CHUCK LIDELL- WOW-WTF- I'm excited. this is the biggest fight in MMA History- (Vanderlai wins easy by the way) |
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