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| Ironpirate |
| This is what im seeing from you. No wonder the American population can't grow to the idea that democrats would defend this nation. You've got people like assboil, abba,crazyfuck who truely think Israel is the bad guy here. You've got organizations like the UN trying to undermine Israel defensive reactions as a nation state while at the sametime looking at a worthless resolution that passed 5 years ago saying that Lebonon should have taken responsiblity for it's borders. It's terrible to see innocent people die but Israel isn't killing them, Hezbollah is. |
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| Timmy |
| So isreal should get a free pass to do whatever it wants? better to kill 20 innocents than to let one bad guy go free. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
| What the fuck are you talking about?????? Hezbollah is not killing their own. The Israeli's are destroying the infrastructure of Lebanon to get back at ......OH what the fuck is the use....Ironasshole you don't understand long division, so politics is beyond your comprehension..... |
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| Robinsmuff |
Quote: Originally posted by Ironpirate
This is what im seeing from you. No wonder the American population can't grow to the idea that democrats would defend this nation. You've got people like assboil, abba,crazyfuck who truely think Israel is the bad guy here. You've got organizations like the UN trying to undermine Israel defensive reactions as a nation state while at the sametime looking at a worthless resolution that passed 5 years ago saying that Lebonon should have taken responsiblity for it's borders. It's terrible to see innocent people die but Israel isn't killing them, Hezbollah is. |
this is way to complex of a problem for your simple mind. I notice that while you defend Israels reaction you don't mention that our action in Iraq is responsible for this new aggression by Hezbollah.
Israel did leave this terroritory 6 years ago & return it to Lebanon. The UN was supposed to provide troops & allow Lebanon to take control of the area. This did not happen. IMO Israel was attacked & as must be able to respond to aggression against their enemies, but how they respond is always their undoing. It is no secret that Israel always responds to any act of aggression with a return volley that is 10 times as severe. In the last 5 years this has proven to solve nothing & only further strengthen the resolve of it's enemies. Hezbollah is a terrorist organization & Israel will kill thousands of innocent people that have nothing to do with this organization. It is a never ending cycle that won't change unless we destroy them all.
Now Buttpirate, ask yourslef why is Hezbollah acting now? Hezbollah is under the arm of Iran & Syria. Make no mistake about it, they would never undertake this action without prodding & approval from their supoorters. Iran & Syria both believe that they US is less equipped to deal with any turmoil in this region than ever before. They are looking to exploit this & reveal to everyone how weak we are. So far they have done jus that. The US has failed to take a strong role in any resolution mainly because we have no military to spare & the rest of the world doesn't give one shit what we think anymore. |
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| Monster_Zero |
I have no problem with Israel flexing it's muscles... so long as we stay the fuck out of it. If Israel start's getting it's ass kicked it's on them.
The first time we defended Israel in the Middle East, Desert Storm, they rewarded us by selling or Patriot missile technology to the Chineese... fuck 'em! We don't need friends like them. :mad: |
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| FatesWebb |
Quote: Originally posted by Ironpirate
This is what im seeing from you. No wonder the American population can't grow to the idea that democrats would defend this nation. You've got people like assboil, abba,crazyfuck who truely think Israel is the bad guy here. You've got organizations like the UN trying to undermine Israel defensive reactions as a nation state while at the sametime looking at a worthless resolution that passed 5 years ago saying that Lebonon should have taken responsiblity for it's borders. It's terrible to see innocent people die but Israel isn't killing them, Hezbollah is. |
First off the people you call liberals, seems to be anyone who disagrees with you, rather than the actual terms meaning.
Next you show that you are shallow and not willing to learn. There is much that you dont know about, yet you spout off and attack, and stereotype large groups of individuals. The terrorists are a problem sure, but really I think that they are a reaction.
They are a reaction to other peoles in the worlds actions. They only see one side of the story just as we do.
Nobody except the state is condoning terrorists attacks. If you people would GO OUT AND READ you would realize that even our FBI gave the first world trade center terrorist bomber the bomb. and 1 million dollars to do the attacks, but he recorded his conversation with them when he found out that it was real and not a sting operation.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/R...OK/wtcbomb.html
(STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM)
That a good majority of terrorism is state sponsored, they do it to go to war, and to get more control over the people (patriot act)
For instance a GOVERNERs brother wrote the book The Final Jihad: When the "Best of the Worst" Finally Come for Us before the oklahoma city bombings occurred. In the book Tom McVeigh does the same exact thing that Tim McVeigh did in real life. But I am sure you will tell me it is a cooincidence down to the only difference being that his name was tom and not tim? =I dont think so.
When we went to war war 2 we provoked thier attack, and even told our men to stand down while they took out subs killing people. we were lied to about this for years. declassified documents show it now.
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=408
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCollum_memo
the spanish american war we were lied to about. initially they told us that the USS Maine was attacked, but later they only claim it had a self inflicted explosion. either way it was the reason for the war.
Isreal attacked the USS LIBERTY and then said Whoops mistaken identity, However the pilot came out afterwards and claimed that 3 times he reported to his commanding officer that it was an american ship, and they threatened to court martial him if he did not carry out the attack. http://ussliberty.org/
When we went to war in vietnam, they told us vietnam attacked our ship in the gulf of tonkin incident. but again you guessed it THEY LIED TO US http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2261
they even released chemical weapons on thier own people.
http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,68457,00.html
http://www.kfor.com/global/story.as...tType=Printable
So... when you dont pay attention to what is going on around you and you vote, YOU are giving the people who run this world the right to attack anyone anytime that THEY WANT! That is really just the beginning. So the REAL terrorsts (in the middle east) really arent the problem, what I am worried about are the kinds of terrorism that are state sponsored. Untill you people realize that you have to open your eyes, especially to declassified documents, and start looking for politicians that are for reform then we are fuckt
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Quote: Originally posted by Ironpirate
a worthless resolution that passed 5 years ago saying that Lebonon should have taken responsiblity for it's borders. |
So when Bush wants to use a UN resolution to invade Iraq, the UN is worthwhile.
But when YOU personally find a UN resolution inconvenient to your fundamentalist worldview, it's worthless.
Thank you for defining hypocrisy again. And within seconds of your hypocrisy over on the NC board about you being an Agnostic one minute and a Christian the next. |
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| Robinsmuff |
Quote: Originally posted by Monster_Zero
I have no problem with Israel flexing it's muscles... so long as we stay the fuck out of it. If Israel start's getting it's ass kicked it's on them.
The first time we defended Israel in the Middle East, Desert Storm, they rewarded us by selling or Patriot missile technology to the Chineese... fuck 'em! We don't need friends like them. :mad: |
I agree with you MZ, but it will never happen. First off don't forget that Israel without US tech are bunch of hungry accountants throwing stones. But they do have our tech & this will prevent them from getting defeated. Also, our country is controlled by American Jews who are as loyal if not more to Israel. The planner of the Iraq war was Paul Wolfowitz who is just so happens has a Sister who is a citizen of Israel. coincidence? I think not. Unlike MA in your hometown, America will never be awol when it comes to protecting the chosen people. |
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| Monster_Zero |
Quote: Originally posted by Robinsmuff
I agree with you MZ, but it will never happen. First off don't forget that Israel without US tech are bunch of hungry accountants throwing stones. But they do have our tech & this will prevent them from getting defeated. Also, our country is controlled by American Jews who are as loyal if not more to Israel. The planner of the Iraq war was Paul Wolfowitz who is just so happens has a Sister who is a citizen of Israel. coincidence? I think not. Unlike MA in your hometown, America will never be awol when it comes to protecting the chosen people. |
:lol: @ MA reference
I know you're right, but one must take a stand, and I choose Isolationist... ;)
We have more Jews in NY and NJ alone, than there are in Israel... So what? We also have more Catholics than Ireland, but we didn't back the IRA? :confused:
Separation of church and state... nothing compromises our freedoms more than our failing to keep church and state separate. If this really is the beginning of WWIII, can a draft be avoided? Iron Pirate might be able to slake his thirst for war first hand. :( |
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| Crazytree |
Quote: Originally posted by Ironpirate
This is what im seeing from you. No wonder the American population can't grow to the idea that democrats would defend this nation. You've got people like assboil, abba,crazyfuck who truely think Israel is the bad guy here. You've got organizations like the UN trying to undermine Israel defensive reactions as a nation state while at the sametime looking at a worthless resolution that passed 5 years ago saying that Lebonon should have taken responsiblity for it's borders. It's terrible to see innocent people die but Israel isn't killing them, Hezbollah is. |
you keep on talking like you actually would have the balls to defend this country. we all know youre just a pussy chickenhawk |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by Ironpirate
This is what im seeing from you. No wonder the American population can't grow to the idea that democrats would defend this nation. You've got people like assboil, abba,crazyfuck who truely think Israel is the bad guy here. You've got organizations like the UN trying to undermine Israel defensive reactions as a nation state while at the sametime looking at a worthless resolution that passed 5 years ago saying that Lebonon should have taken responsiblity for it's borders. It's terrible to see innocent people die but Israel isn't killing them, Hezbollah is. |
Just admit it, dumbfuck. You got that off a craker jack box..... There are far too many words spelled correctly and it's written in almost complete and coherent sentences. This is not a shitpirate original. |
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| Kill Van Kull |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
Just admit it, dumbfuck. You got that off a craker jack box..... There are far too many words spelled correctly and it's written in almost complete and coherent sentences. This is not a shitpirate original. |
I agree.
Not that it's saying anything accurate/profound or that it's even written that well, it's just not her normal, familiar dialogue.
Either way, Ironpirate really got her ass kicked in this thread. Damn.
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| Crazytree |
| Someone else is using his account. Probably his gay lover... AKA Matt Drudge. :( |
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Quote: Originally posted by Ironpirate
No wonder the American population can't grow to the idea that democrats would defend this nation. |
Ironpirate just lied. Will he ever admit it, or will he just run and hide from his own dopey thread?
In fact, the American people HAVE grown to support the Democrats on defense and on Iraq more than they support the Republicans and Bush,
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/...iraq-poll_x.htm
Poll: Majority of Americans want withdrawal plan for Iraq
By Susan Page, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — A majority of Americans say Congress should pass a resolution that outlines a plan for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq, according to a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll taken Friday through Sunday. Half of those surveyed would like all U.S. forces out within 12 months.
The poll finds support for the ideas behind Democratic proposals that were soundly defeated in the Senate last week. An uptick in optimism toward the war after the killing of terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi earlier this month seems to have evaporated.
Even Ironpirate's beloved FAUX News had to grudgingly admit the truth, though with a lot of spin
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,203346,00.html
" the GOP is no longer the preferred party on Iraq: By 38 percent to 36 percent voters say they think the Democrats would do a better job handling the war."
Man up, Ironpirate, and admit you are wrong. |
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| shpadoinkle |
| the real terrorists is our government that created the whole 9/11 illusion, in order to make their way for a new world order. |
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| w00dyee |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
What the fuck are you talking about?????? Hezbollah is not killing their own. The Israeli's are destroying the infrastructure of Lebanon to get back at ......OH what the fuck is the use....Ironasshole you don't understand long division, so politics is beyond your comprehension..... |
Should we just go French and surrender? We are in a Wolrd War. It has been declared against us and we are still deciding whether we want to fight or be destroyed. This happened in the 80's ( so it wasn't Bush's fault..dumbass Robin) It as been going on for THOUSANDS OF YEARS we are SOOOO arrogant to think we can do much to stop any of this crap. If we don't fight them head on and full force we lose (see Iraq) If we ignore it, our enemies consolodate their power and attack us (see Clinton and Carter). Tis shit was going on before the US existed, so you America hating liberals can spare me the weepy response. |
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| Crazytree |
hey w00dyee... your precious Iraq war is THE GREATEST MILITARY FAILURE IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
go suck on that... LOSER. |
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| Sieve Boy |
Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
hey w00dyee... your precious Iraq war is THE GREATEST MILITARY FAILURE IN AMERICAN HISTORY. |
I concur 100%, some may argue that Vietnam was worse but consider that the U.S. did not know what it was getting into nor were they as capable at that time to be able to fight in a conflict such as that. We LOST the war in Vietnam, in Iraq American HAS FAILED plain and simple. Bush 41 and then Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney even made comments on why America didn't invade Iraq back in 1991 post-Desert Storm... those are the same reasons of those who argued against the invasion pre-war and also the same reasons why we AMERICA IS FAILING NOW. George W. Bush's father and now Vice President argued against this over 10 years before W invaded Iraq, anyone who really feels they need to argue for W in this instance can suck a fat fucking dick :rolleyes: |
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| Crazytree |
how's that invasion of Finland going?
look out for ski-troops and suicide reindeer. :cool: |
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| Sieve Boy |
Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
how's that invasion of Finland going?
look out for ski-troops and suicide reindeer. :cool: |
Mind you this isn't Soviet style like post-WW2 ;) It is a mere play on words for some "events" that occured recently between myself and my new lady friend from Helsinki :D |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by w00dyee
Should we just go French and surrender? We are in a Wolrd War. It has been declared against us and we are still deciding whether we want to fight or be destroyed. This happened in the 80's ( so it wasn't Bush's fault..dumbass Robin) It as been going on for THOUSANDS OF YEARS we are SOOOO arrogant to think we can do much to stop any of this crap. If we don't fight them head on and full force we lose (see Iraq) If we ignore it, our enemies consolodate their power and attack us (see Clinton and Carter). Tis shit was going on before the US existed, so you America hating liberals can spare me the weepy response. |
Good god. Your post is literally plagiarized right from the inside of Newt Gingrich's colon.
I notice you conveniently skipped over defining "they". Are all 1 billion muslims on the planet at war with us?
And remind us again how invading the one country in the middle east run by a SECULAR leader and allowing it to fall into civil war between religious sects is making the problem better.... Feel free to throw in lots of examples like Iran now has a sympathetic neighbor, etc., etc....
If your god George Bush had any interest in stopping terrorism we would be occupying Saudi Arabia right now. |
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Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
Good god. Your post is literally plagiarized right from the inside of Newt Gingrich's colon.
I notice you conveniently skipped over defining "they". Are all 1 billion muslims on the planet at war with us?
And remind us again how invading the one country in the middle east run by a SECULAR leader and allowing it to fall into civil war between religious sects is making the problem better.... Feel free to throw in lots of examples like Iran now has a sympathetic neighbor, etc., etc....
If your god George Bush had any interest in stopping terrorism we would be occupying Saudi Arabia right now. |
EXACTLY! But Bush is too busy holding hands with Saudi princes and literaaly sucking up to them for hundreds of millions in Bush family money.
So don't expect Bush to go to war against the real fudamentalist Muslim threat to the world- Saudi funding of hate. |
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Still no answer from Ironpirate. Another cut-and-run. Reposting what Ironpirate is afraid of:
Quote: Originally posted by Ironpirate
a worthless resolution that passed 5 years ago saying that Lebonon should have taken responsiblity for it's borders. |
So when Bush wants to use a UN resolution to invade Iraq, the UN is worthwhile.
But when YOU personally find a UN resolution inconvenient to your fundamentalist worldview, it's worthless.
Thank you for defining hypocrisy again. And within seconds of your hypocrisy over on the NC board about you being an Agnostic one minute and a Christian the next. |
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| patcracker |
| Israel should have and will be able to defend itself but one of the 1st targets it against Hezbellah was the Bierut Airport. I dont think any of thier Hezbellah terrorists were hiding there. Plus look at the civilian to Hezbellah kill ratio. Not good. I know Hezbellah are a bunch of pussies and hide behind civilians ( they launch thier rockets from densely populated areas) and Israel didnt think it thru and just bombed the shit out of those areas. Victory for Hezbellah? yes. Was Hezbellah right for doing what they did especially thier tactics? fuck no. Hezbellah the bastard step child of Iran needs to hunted down and killed. Not carpet bombed. Israel got punked from listening to the Bush administration. |
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Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
how's that invasion of Finland going?
look out for ski-troops and suicide reindeer. :cool: |
Those reindeer antlers I think were proven by the administration to be weapons of mass destruction. Supposedly they have evidence that Iraq tried to acquire quantities of antlers for their WMD program, but one of Santa's elves leaked the information to the New York Times, so the actual sale never occurred. I understand Santa is very upset. |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by patcracker
Israel should have and will be able to defend itself but one of the 1st targets it against Hezbellah was the Bierut Airport. I dont think any of thier Hezbellah terrorists were hiding there. Plus look at the civilian to Hezbellah kill ratio. Not good. I know Hezbellah are a bunch of pussies and hide behind civilians ( they launch thier rockets from densely populated areas) and Israel didnt think it thru and just bombed the shit out of those areas. Victory for Hezbellah? yes. Was Hezbellah right for doing what they did especially thier tactics? fuck no. Hezbellah the bastard step child of Iran needs to hunted down and killed. Not carpet bombed. Israel got punked from listening to the Bush administration. |
All that was destroyed at the airport was the runway which is much easier to repair than say, the entire airport. THe runways were detroyed to keep Syria/Iran from flying in supplies to Hezbollah.
If Israel chose..the destruction and death count would have been MUCH worse. |
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| vegaseric |
| Kind of sucks that they didn't do more |
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| patcracker |
| NCMIKE06, Israel did the right thing by bombing the roads that came from Syria. Thats how you stop the rearming of Hezbellah. The airport just made it a nightmare for everyone trying to LEAVE the country. The borders of Syria and Lebanon are probabaly about as secure as the Mexico/USA border so the preferred method would to be run across the border in the middle of the night. Hezbellah are just like cockroaches, if you dont exterminate them the right way they will come back ten fold. Unfortunately this was a monumental blunder on Israel's part. |
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| Abba |
Quote: Originally posted by Monster_Zero
:lol: @ MA reference
I know you're right, but one must take a stand, and I choose Isolationist... ;)
We have more Jews in NY and NJ alone, than there are in Israel... So what? We also have more Catholics than Ireland, but we didn't back the IRA? :confused:
Separation of church and state... nothing compromises our freedoms more than our failing to keep church and state separate. If this really is the beginning of WWIII, can a draft be avoided? Iron Pirate might be able to slake his thirst for war first hand. :( |
We didn't back the IRA? Not officially, no, but without the steady and quite heavy stream of American dollars flowing into IRA coffers, their fate would ahve been sealed long ago. I didn't see too many screams about terrorism back then, though, even though Catholic American dollars were being used to fund the terrorist bombs that killed innocent civilians. |
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Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
All that was destroyed at the airport was the runway which is much easier to repair than say, the entire airport. THe runways were detroyed to keep Syria/Iran from flying in supplies to Hezbollah.
If Israel chose..the destruction and death count would have been MUCH worse. |
Asshole, my mother owns a penthouse overlooking the airport so I think I know a little better what Israel did to it than someone who watches a little Fox and thinks he's an expert.
Israel took our all 3 runways numerous times, in addition to the roads leading into the compalex, in addition to all the fuel dumps in the grounds, in addition to any kind of airport support vehicle they could find, in addition to a couple rockets into the control tower, in addition to concussion bombs which blew out the entire wall of glass of the main terminal building, in addition to the statue of Rafik Harriri who singlehandedly rebuilt much of Lebanon after it's devastating civil war, much of which was caused by Israel.
You're such a dumb fuck it's scary you exist. |
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Quote: Originally posted by Abba
We didn't back the IRA? Not officially, no, but without the steady and quite heavy stream of American dollars flowing into IRA coffers, their fate would ahve been sealed long ago. I didn't see too many screams about terrorism back then, though, even though Catholic American dollars were being used to fund the terrorist bombs that killed innocent civilians. |
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| Abba |
Quote: Originally posted by patcracker
NCMIKE06, Israel did the right thing by bombing the roads that came from Syria. Thats how you stop the rearming of Hezbellah. The airport just made it a nightmare for everyone trying to LEAVE the country. The borders of Syria and Lebanon are probabaly about as secure as the Mexico/USA border so the preferred method would to be run across the border in the middle of the night. Hezbellah are just like cockroaches, if you dont exterminate them the right way they will come back ten fold. Unfortunately this was a monumental blunder on Israel's part. |
Wrong. The way you stop Hezbollah is by taking away their support base. The way you do that is reach a settlement on their REAL greivances which are too numerous and which most people have never heard of. If Israel didn't have us wrapped around their little finger, they would have been forced into dealing with the REAL issues that the Lebanese have with them, thus giving Hezbollah no reason to exist.
You fools don't comprehend that the propaganda is simply that, propaganda. You're taught that people exist in droves who believe that killing people for the sake of killing them is the right thing to do, which is furthest from the truth.
Hezbollah exists ONLY as a reaction to Israeli actions. Take away those actions, you take away Hezbollah. Israel stole land from lebanon, it has thousands of WOMEN AND CHILDREN abducted from Lebanon in it's dungeons. Do you expect the Lebanese to sit there and take it, simply because we told them to?
Either you're spineless morons who answer that with a yes, or you're deluded idiots who believe every kindergarten level explanation spoon fed to you by the AIPAC run media. |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by Abba
Asshole, my mother owns a penthouse overlooking the airport so I think I know a little better what Israel did to it than someone who watches a little Fox and thinks he's an expert.
Israel took our all 3 runways numerous times, in addition to the roads leading into the compalex, in addition to all the fuel dumps in the grounds, in addition to any kind of airport support vehicle they could find, in addition to a couple rockets into the control tower, in addition to concussion bombs which blew out the entire wall of glass of the main terminal building, in addition to the statue of Rafik Harriri who singlehandedly rebuilt much of Lebanon after it's devastating civil war, much of which was caused by Israel.
You're such a dumb fuck it's scary you exist. |
Asshole...if Israel wanted too, the entire airport would have been totally destroyed. With nothing left but sticks. The FACT is, they didn't. Its scary that such a terrorist appeasing Jew Hater like you is still around in past the year 1945, but thats what you get with someone of limited mental ability as yours. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
ABBA,
Remember that NCMIKE06 has stated in previous posts that
"facts don't matter".
So remember that in your future dealings with him. |
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| patcracker |
| Abba, I am not a antisemite but i know that the land grabs that Israel has made in the past have been horrible. It is human nature to defend yourself in a way you see fit. This last exchange between Hezbellah and Israel was tragic and what made it worse was the lack of diplomacy displayed by this current inept Administration. Since the Marine Corps bombing of 1982 I , like many Americans have a knee jerk reaction to Lebanon. Lebanon was making its way back from a long civil war before this latest setback and Hezbellah on your southern border takes away from that progress. Since we are in the Information age if Hezbellah can be disbanded if those conditions you talk about can be met then lets put them on the table and solve this problem. |
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| Crazytree |
| the bombing was in 1983, and nobody has ever PROVED that Hezbollah was involved... no matter what the AIPAC shills on Fuck News say. |
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Quote: Originally posted by Ironpirate
This is what im seeing from you. No wonder the American population can't grow to the idea that democrats would defend this nation. You've got people like assboil, abba,crazyfuck who truely think Israel is the bad guy here. You've got organizations like the UN trying to undermine Israel defensive reactions as a nation state while at the sametime looking at a worthless resolution that passed 5 years ago saying that Lebonon should have taken responsiblity for it's borders. It's terrible to see innocent people die but Israel isn't killing them, Hezbollah is. |
Israel was a modern day land grab. they dont belong there. |
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