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| bushleaguer |
What Dropoff? August Death Total in Baghdad Morgue Triples
We took an interesting phone call today from an official at the Baghdad morgue. We get these calls every day – a daily tally of the violence. But this one was particularly sobering.
It turns out the official toll of violent deaths in August was just revised upwards to 1535 from 550, tripling the total. Now, we’re depressingly used to hearing about deaths here, so much so that the numbers can be numbing. But this means that a much-publicized drop-off in violence in August – heralded by both the Iraqi government and the US military as a sign that a new security effort in Baghdad was working -- apparently didn’t exist.
Operation Together Forward, the main thrust of the new strategy, involves establishing pockets of security in select neighborhoods and then slowly adding more. These latest numbers add substance to fears Together Forward creates a whack-a-mole effect: that is, secure one area and the violence will pop up somewhere else. Violent deaths now appear roughly in line with the earlier trend: 1855 in July and 1595 in June. Officials at the Baghdad morgue have no good explanation for the dramatically revised number. We’ll see what the U.S. military has to say.
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| Stern-E-Duke |
bushleaguer...you are always taking the "Democratic point of view". ;)
Should any of this surprise anyone. Midterm elections are coming so the administration needs to manipulate information on how things are going "swimmingly" over in Iraq. To understate a number is one thing, but by two-thirds is ridiculous. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Violent deaths in Iraq dropped in August
By RAWYA RAGEH, Associated Press Writer
Thu Aug 31, 7:05 PM ET
Preliminary Health Ministry figures released Thursday show violent deaths in Iraq dropped substantially in August from record levels the previous month, despite a surge of killings in Baghdad in the past week.
Civilians accounted for most of the recorded deaths.
At least 973 violent deaths were recorded throughout Iraq in August as of Wednesday, Dr. Riad Abdul Amir of the Health Ministry's statistics bureau told The Associated Press. They included 715 civilians, 80 Iraqi soldiers, 74 police and 104 "terrorists," he said.
The term "terrorists" likely include both Sunni and Shiite militants.
That represents a significant drop from the Health Ministry's July figure of 3,500 deaths, reported by Deputy Health Minister Adel Muhsin. He said that was the highest monthly figure recorded since the war began in March 2003.
According to an AP count, at least 966 Iraqis were killed in war-related violence in August and 1,015 were killed in July. These numbers include civilians, government officials, and police and security forces, and are considered a minimum based on AP reporting. They do not include insurgents.
The AP tally is compiled from hospital, police and military officials cited in news stories, as well as accounts from reporters and photographers at the scenes.
The Health Ministry's August figures included reports received from morgues and the interior and defense ministries.
According to Muhsin, about 1,500 of the July deaths occurred in Baghdad. Violent deaths in the capital fell to 550 in August, officials said Thursday. That was the lowest monthly tally in Baghdad this year.
U.S. officials attribute the drop in violent deaths to a major security crackdown launched Aug. 7. About 8,000 U.S. troops and 3,000 Iraqi soldiers were sent to the capital to search homes systematically and patrol the streets.
On Monday, U.S. military spokesman Maj. Gen. William B. Caldwell said the murder rate in Baghdad had fallen by 46 percent from July to August and "we are actually seeing progress out there."
The decline in Iraqi deaths has not been matched by a drop in American casualties. At least 62 U.S. service members died in Iraq in August, compared with 43 in July.
Ministry officials stressed the August figures were preliminary and a final count for the month would not be ready until next week. Nevertheless, officials said they were convinced deaths were down sharply.
"In June and July we were getting scary numbers," said Hakim al-Zamly, a Health Ministry executive director.
He said it was too early to determine whether the drop was a breakthrough but "there's definitely a slight, relative improvement."
Both U.S. and Iraqi officials have been anxious to talk up signs of improvement in the capital after weeks of ever-mounting death tolls and fears of all-out sectarian civil war. On Aug. 21, the Defense Ministry said "terrorist operations" had declined in Baghdad by 70 percent.
Some U.S. officials, however, have cautioned it is too early to tell if the decline in deaths is part of a long-term trend.
A surge of violence has killed more than 250 people in the Baghdad area since Sunday, raising questions about whether U.S. and Iraqi forces have indeed turned the corner.
However, National Security Adviser Mouwafak al-Rubaie insisted Thursday that execution-style killings and sectarian violence have dropped by 45 percent in Baghdad in the last six weeks. He said that was mainly due to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's national reconciliation plan and the Baghdad security operation.
"There's definitely a much better sense of security among the general public," al-Rubaie said.
Accurate figures on the number of people who have died in the Iraq conflict have long been the subject of debate. Police and hospitals often give widely conflicting figures of those killed in major bombings.
In addition, death figures are reported through multiple channels by government agencies that function with varying efficiency.
The Health Ministry count is based on reports from hospital morgues throughout the country and mostly includes civilians. The Interior Ministry receives its figures from police stations across the country and can include both police and civilians. The Defense Ministry reports the number of soldiers and insurgents killed.
Although officials at the national level attempt to reconcile the figures, there is a possibility of double-counting.
Furthermore, accurate data is difficult to obtain from insurgent-infested areas such as Anbar province, which includes about 20 percent of Iraq's land area and where government institutions barely function.
Militias and other armed groups are often reluctant to bring their dead and wounded to hospitals for fear of arrest, and those deaths may never show up in any government agency counts.
It is also unclear how many people may have been abducted by insurgents or sectarian death squads, then slain and their bodies never found.
According to an AP count, at least 11,916 Iraqis have been killed in war-related violence since the first elected Iraqi government after the fall of Saddam Hussein took office on April 28, 2005.
Iraq Body Count, a private group that bases its figures in part on reports by 40 media outlets, puts the number of civilian deaths since the conflict began at between 41,041 and 45,613.
The Brookings Institution Iraq Index, maintained by Michael O'Hanlon, put the count between 20,000 and 37,200 as of July 5, 2006.
President Bush, in answering questions following a speech in December, estimated "30,000, more or less, have died as a result of the initial incursion and the ongoing violence against Iraqis."
Copyright © 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
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| angrychink |
| well, they're just not reporting the good news |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
well, they're just not reporting the good news |
Clearly the number was reported as 550.
"According to Muhsin, about 1,500 of the July deaths occurred in Baghdad. Violent deaths in the capital fell to 550 in August, officials said Thursday. That was the lowest monthly tally in Baghdad this year."
Then the first article says:
"It turns out the official toll of violent deaths in August was just revised upwards to 1535 from 550, tripling the total."
Something is wrong here. It appears someone has tried to "fix" the numbers. The July count..."According to Muhsin, about 1,500 of the July deaths occurred in Baghdad", Instead of a drop in August, the number increased to 1535. |
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