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So, was it really a nuke?
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| tourette_ticker |
the seismographic data indicates an explosion of equivalent to just a few hundred tons of TNT. That is near (or even below) the low limit for a nuke they could build. No gamma radiation was detected.
So was it a fake, and if so why? |
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| Ass Boil |
| I was wondering that, too... The Russians "confirmed" the test took place, but I haven't seen what "confirmed" means. It seems a little strange to me. |
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| artiel |
| ... I guess the only question to ask if there is any doubt is 'Why would they possibly do that?' |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by artiel
... I guess the only question to ask if there is any doubt is 'Why would they possibly do that?' |
Good question. |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
I was wondering that, too... The Russians "confirmed" the test took place, but I haven't seen what "confirmed" means. It seems a little strange to me. |
I think they confirmed an "event" took place. Something seems really fishy. |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by artiel
... I guess the only question to ask if there is any doubt is 'Why would they possibly do that?' |
Honestly, I think they are trying to FORCE the US to engage in one on one talks. To this point Bush has been outsourcing the job of diplomacy to other countries.... |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
Honestly, I think they are trying to FORCE the US to engage in one on one talks. To this point Bush has been outsourcing the job of diplomacy to other countries.... |
China has the most power over them, and hopefully this will motivate them to put a stop to it. If NK goes nuke, so will SK, Taiwan, and Japan. None of that is in China's interest.
We don't really have a stick to use on them only carrots, which they will take without honoring their agreements. That is why we have to have China in the talks. |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
China has the most power over them, and hopefully this will motivate them to put a stop to it. If NK goes nuke, so will SK, Taiwan, and Japan. None of that is in China's interest.
We don't really have a stick to use on them only carrots, which they will take without honoring their agreements. That is why we have to have China in the talks. |
Possibly. But I see no harm in sitting down with them and finding out. |
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| Ironpirate |
| man you liberals are being way to tuff on n. korea, maybe if they emailed 21 year olds dirty messages you would be in a up roar............. :rolleyes: |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by Ironpirate
man you liberals are being way to tuff on n. korea, maybe if they emailed 21 year olds dirty messages you would be in a up roar............. :rolleyes: |
21 year olds? WTF are you talking about?
The point is that your cult leader ignored potential problems like this in favor of his completely unnecessary Iraq war.... It's very sad that you are too stupid to understand that. |
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| Ironpirate |
| sure, its Bush's fault yet again. Do you blame anyone but Bush? How bout the fucking N. Koreans.. |
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| artiel |
Quote: Originally posted by Ironpirate
man you liberals are being way to tuff on n. korea, maybe if they emailed 21 year olds dirty messages you would be in a up roar............. :rolleyes: |
Hey IronTerrorist, I'm glad you showed your piss-ridden face to reveal your ignorance and idiocy in this thread. N. Korea isn't even a partisan issue, so why spread your shit? Maybe FoxNews and Rush has declared it a partisan issue and I wasn't notified, but I'd be very curious to hear how they would do that. |
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| Ironpirate |
| Not a partisan issue? You guys are pussies when it comes to other goverments. WEAK |
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| artiel |
Quote: Originally posted by Ironpirate
Not a partisan issue? You guys are pussies when it comes to other goverments. WEAK |
I'll be very interested to hear your foreign policy if you had any power... (really, please tell me. no sarcasm at all).
I'll take a stab at what I think it would be though. North Korea and Iran would be immediately nuked, and Venezuela would receive drastic sanctions due to his criticism of America/Bush/whatever. Every other country would get in line, and if they didn't they would then be America junior, after we turned it into a smoldering hole in the ground. Is this right? |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by artiel
I'll be very interested to hear your foreign policy if you had any power... (really, please tell me. no sarcasm at all).
I'll take a stab at what I think it would be though. North Korea and Iran would be immediately nuked, and Venezuela would receive drastic sanctions due to his criticism of America/Bush/whatever. Every other country would get in line, and if they didn't they would then be America junior, after we turned it into a smoldering hole in the ground. Is this right? |
well it would work, sorta.....until we got nuked by China or Russia as a defensive preemptive strike. |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by Ironpirate
Not a partisan issue? You guys are pussies when it comes to other goverments. WEAK |
Really? Why is it N. Korea has developed nearly all of it's weapons right under the nose of your "war preznit"?
Try again, retard.... |
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| artiel |
Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
well it would work, sorta.....until we got nuked by China or Russia as a defensive preemptive strike. |
lol, right. As long as you don't count the hundreds of millions of innocent civilians that would be wiped out... or of course, as you said, the repurcussions. |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by artiel
lol, right. As long as you don't count the hundreds of millions of innocent civilians that would be wiped out... or of course, as you said, the repurcussions. |
details, details. |
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| kevin49er |
Like Colbert just said...
They may not have a nuke... it was just an earthquake machine. |
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| Crazytree |
because the N. Korean scientists were too scared to tell their illustrious leader the truth... they weren't ready yet.
so they tried to fake it.
hundreds of tons of TNT as part of a conventional nuclear weapon? no way... |
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| jigzaw |
Quote: Originally posted by Ironpirate
Not a partisan issue? You guys are pussies when it comes to other goverments. WEAK |
Seems like Bush has been kind of a pussy on N. Korea. |
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| BOO2U |
Quote: Originally posted by artiel
... I guess the only question to ask if there is any doubt is 'Why would they possibly do that?' |
Distraction from Foley, Hastert, Polls plummeting, Republican support flagging in general, loss of control over Congress. Ya know, get people back on board the pseudo terrorism train, pardon me boys is that the Chattanooga Cho-Cho? :rolleyes: |
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| spankysxxx |
Quote: Originally posted by Ironpirate
man you liberals are being way to tuff on n. korea, maybe if they emailed 21 year olds dirty messages you would be in a up roar............. :rolleyes: |
Soooo, it doesn't bug you as an American that we're now in a country that doesn't have nukes which is why we're there and then there's another country, N. Korea, that we knew were developing Nukes even though we didn't want them too but also decided to help them out a bit by gifting 10's of millions of dollars for research earlier this century. That doesn't bug you? It doesn't bother you that a couple thousand of our boys are gone fighting a war in the sand for reasons that were lied about? That maybe we should have been in Korea the whole time or as the administration is now saying that Iran is the country to watch?
This performance by the current administration doesn't rub you the wrong way even a little? Because a person questions what we're doing makes them a terrorist? I'm a republican that's pissed off, my dad who's been a republican since Eisenhower has always voted partisan republican but has the balls to say that bush jr. & co. are the biggest embarrassment he's seen in his life - a life that saw action in at least one police action as a Captain in the Marine Corps.
When in life does one sit there like a lemming and simply agree with everything that is put before them? Did we decide that taxation without representation was just fine and dandy and go along with it like the good partisan folk that we are? Hell no. We questioned it and fought for a better way of life. Did that make us un-american? Nope, that made us Americans. |
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| spankysxxx |
Quote: Originally posted by jigzaw
Seems like Bush has been kind of a pussy on N. Korea. |
Gave 'em money an everything like a pussy. C'mon, Iraq was just about helping the family out. |
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| intelliplus |
While I agree with your viewpoint largely, I cannot appreciate you keeping Pakistan lower on threat perception scale.
The real threat is from Pakistan and not from N.Korea.
Pak is the nursery of global Islamic terrorism!That is where the real threat is from!
If in doubt see the unmistakeable Pak hand in almost all terrorists attacks around the world.
Can their be a bigger rogue country?
Stop running down N.K. as a rogue country, run by a dictator that has a nuke now while you hug and praise arch villain Musharraf , a dictator from a real rogue country and with nukes!
This not only unequiivocal crass double-standards ( for which the world in reality hates Americans) but also being extremely stupid!
WAKE UP BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!
You have no real threat from a non-Islamic country at all.
The only loss is now US cannot bully N. Korea.
If at all that is a threat!!!!!! |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
because the N. Korean scientists were too scared to tell their illustrious leader the truth... they weren't ready yet.
so they tried to fake it.
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I think you may have nailed it there. They set off the biggest bang they could and called it a nuke. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
| So far no reports of radiation from it! |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
So far no reports of radiation from it! |
In particular no gamma radiation was picked up. That would have escaped no matter how deep the nuke was buried. |
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| FatesWebb |
Neo-Cons Spin Dud Test To Hide Nuclear Hypocrisy
Drudge Report, Washington Times downplay blast to conceal stupidity of attacking Iran, source of North Korean nukes being Rumsfeld and Bush protected networks
Neo-Cons have seized upon doubts about the scale of North Korea's nuclear test to craft a talking point that the blast was a dud in an attempt to conceal the hypocrisy of hyping a war with a non-nuclear Iran in the face of North Korea's open proliferation, and the fact that Kim Jong-il bought his weapons from arms networks that were protected by the Bush administration.
Bill Gertz and the Washington Times, usually the first to spit out volleys of rampant fearmongering, especially concerning Iran's alleged nuclear agenda, are leading a chorus of government media mouthpieces in downplaying Sunday's underground atomic test.
"U.S. intelligence agencies say, based on preliminary indications, that North Korea did not produce its first nuclear blast yesterday," writes Gertz. http://www.washingtontimes.com/nati...15158-2477r.htm "The underground explosion, which Pyongyang dubbed a historic nuclear test, is thought to have been the equivalent of several hundred tons of TNT, far short of the several thousand tons of TNT, or kilotons, that are signs of a nuclear blast, the official said."
The U.S. seems to be alone in its assessment that the blast was non-nuclear - with Russia even claiming the explosion was comparable to the bomb http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061009...u/russia_nkorea dropped on Hiroshima in 1945.
The Drudge Report, recently scorned for carrying erroneous stories that sought to defend the actions of Republican pervert and sexual predator Mark Foley, this morning carried the headline, "WAS IT A DUD?" underneath a jokey image of Kim Jong-il's character from the comedy animation hit Team America.
The spin is implicit - Kim Jong-il is an inconsequential buffoon and his grandstand announcement that North Korea had joined the nuclear club was nothing but hot air.
Why are these bootlicking Neo-Con hacks, breaking from their usual feverish exaggeration of anything that makes the world more dangerous, changing the script and attempting to poo-poo North Korea's actions?
Yesterday we reported that the wild card of the test could potentially derail planned air strikes on Iran because, as Mike Rivero pointed out, "It will be hard for Bush to sell an invasion of Iran because it might someday make nuclear weapons when North Korea definitely has them now."
The Neo-Con spin, that North Korea has not advanced to the point it claims and that the threat is diminished compared to more pressing targets of the Bush war machine, is intended to shield the hypocrisy of ignoring a nuclear-capable dictatorship that has threatened to destroy the world http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=30156 and fired test missiles that have hit Alaska, http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nat...17272311970.htm while obsessing about Iran, completely surrounded by U.S. client states and as much as fifteen years away http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mi...ast/4606356.stm from the bomb.
It is also an effort to offset questions about how Kim Jong-il acquired his arsenal in the first place.
Reports concerning developments in North Korea's nuclear program are routinely absent the "memory-holed" fact that it was Donald Rumsfeld, http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/art...,952289,00.html former non-executive director of ABB, that signed off on a $200 million dollar contract to sell nuclear reactors to the Stalinist state in November 2000.
In addition, it has now been confirmed that the A.Q. Khan network was directly connected to the feasibility of Sunday's test, having "through his network, transferred to North Korea "nearly two dozen" P-1 centrifuges, and the more sophisticated P-11 centrifuges," according to the London Independent. http://news.independent.co.uk/world...icle1826286.ece
It was at the behest of the Bush administration that investigations into Khan Research Laboratories, the Pakistani agency in charge of the bomb project, were thwarted.
"According to both sources and documents obtained by the BBC, the Bush Administration spike of the investigation of Dr. Khan's Lab followed from a wider policy of protecting key Saudi Arabians including the Bin Laden family," writes BBC reporter Greg Palast. http://www.gregpalast.com/khan-job-...eported-in-2001
North Korea's bold entry into the nuclear club could not have been achieved without the help of the Bush administration and Donald Rumsfeld. Allied to the desperate need to legitimize air strikes against Iran, Sunday's events have created a fissure in the Neo-Con agenda that may demand an urgent change to the script. http://prisonplanet.com/articles/oc...arhypocrisy.htm |
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| tourette_ticker |
| so FW you think it was a real nuke? Do you have any evidence other than NK's say so? |
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| tourette_ticker |
| come on Fates, no radiation has been detected. No Gamma radiation. How do you explain that. Don't get me wrong, I don't know if it was real or not, but something does not add up here. |
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| tourette_ticker |
| now that data seem to suggest the blast was about 5% the size of a small nuke |
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| FatesWebb |
Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
come on Fates, no radiation has been detected. No Gamma radiation. How do you explain that. Don't get me wrong, I don't know if it was real or not, but something does not add up here. |
if it were underground, then there would be no (immediate) radiation. |
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| tourette_ticker |
| not true for gamma radiation. |
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| tourette_ticker |
| Consensus seems to be that it was a fake or a dud. |
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| tourette_ticker |
Looks more and more like a fake all the time:
N. Korea Air Sample Has No Radioactivity
Nonetheless, the readings reinforce uncertainty about the size and success of Monday's underground explosion, which North Korea has trumpeted as a nuclear test. It also keeps alive lingering questions about whether it was in fact a nuclear blast. Data from seismic sensors have already indicated the explosion was smaller than expected.
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| wojo1932 |
| North Korea is only doing this in an attempt to be recognized as a legitimate world threat. They believe that by using force they will become accepted and have the sanctions against them lifted. This all stems from their power hungry leader who is nothing but an insane slant eyed gook head. By us being here on this forum debating the validity of these tests and if bush is to blame or not is pointless, the fact is this, Bush and the REST of our god damn government needs to address this matter as quickly and efficiently as possible. Its not about being a fucking liberal or conservative. |
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| Crazytree |
| now there IS radioactivity per cnn? |
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