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| DREAD |
What part of Semper Fi did you forget?
I hope you are dealt with sir- and in the most prejudicial manner possible.
With a calm voice and hands clasped, an Encinitas Marine yesterday described how he helped kill an Iraqi civilian last spring in Hamdaniya, Iraq.
PFC Coward Ass Mother Fucking Traitor.
Semper Fi Bitch-
Pfc. John J. Jodka III became the first of eight Camp Pendleton-based defendants to admit that he shot at the victim April 26. He also confirmed prosecutors' accusations that the crime resulted from a premeditated execution plan that had agreement from everyone involved.
“Because of the notoriety of this case and the Iraq war . . . anything like this would present an argument against the war,” Jodka said during questioning by the judge, Lt. Col. David Jones.
Jodka pleaded guilty to aggravated assault and conspiracy to obstruct justice as part of a plea bargain requiring him to testify against his co-defendants. He faces a maximum sentence of 15 years in prison, a reduction in rank, forfeiture of all pay and a dishonorable discharge from the Marine Corps.
His prison term is likely to be much less, based on a similar Hamdaniya plea agreement that netted less than a year of confinement for Petty Officer 3rd Class Melson Bacos, a Navy corpsman who said he witnessed the killing as a medic for the Marines.
Jodka's sentencing is scheduled for Nov. 15. He could have received life imprisonment if found guilty on more serious charges such as murder and kidnapping. His father, John Jodka II, said he didn't have an opinion on whether his son is receiving lenient treatment from the military |
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| FatesWebb |
| so he is a traitor because he told the truth, under oath? or because he is a murder? just want to get your reasoning. |
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| DREAD |
Quote: Originally posted by FatesWebb
so he is a traitor because he told the truth, under oath? or because he is a murder? just want to get your reasoning. |
All killing in war is premeditated- all killing in war is murder- it is murder we willingly and honoranbly commit with enthusiasm.
He is a coward and a traitor to allow his honor to be violated by corrupt politicians.
Keep the code- maintain the silence- and the case falls apart.
How do you know he is telling the "truth" who's version of it? |
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| FatesWebb |
| but it was a citizen that they killed was it not? murder is still murder, the uniform should be held to higher standards, and not used as an excuse. it has an american flag on it. that flag is not a free pass to murder, and rape. |
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| Jack Shit |
Quote: Originally posted by DREAD
All killing in war is premeditated- all killing in war is murder- it is murder we willingly and honoranbly commit with enthusiasm.
He is a coward and a traitor to allow his honor to be violated by corrupt politicians.
Keep the code- maintain the silence- and the case falls apart.
How do you know he is telling the "truth" who's version of it? |
He is a coward and a traitor because he acted as judge, jury and executioner to an innocent civilian. |
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| patcracker |
Jodka said he thought the group was shooting at Gowad. In reality, the victim was Hashim Ibrahim Awad, a 52-year-old civilian living next door to Gowad. The four abductors had taken Awad after failing to capture their initial target.
Did you read the whole article before you passed judgement on this Marine? How would like if someone cam to your fathers house , kidnapped him, and then murdered him and set it up like he was an insurgent? This Marine deserves the sentance that is due to him but the ring leader deserves to be hanged. The U.S. Military has standards, and these standards were not met in this instance therefore Court Martials and the sentance handed out by the UCMJ are in order. Semper Fi is one thing, Cold blooded murder is another.
:chick: <---- republicans |
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| Crazytree |
I'm confused here DREAD... isn't he doing exactly what you advocate? In terms of "Taking off the gloves"?
I'm not being a jerk here, I would just like you to clarify the distinction so we can understand. |
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| patcracker |
'm confused here DREAD... isn't he doing exactly what you advocate? In terms of "Taking off the gloves"?
Anarchy is okay as long the USA is the doing it. |
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| Halcyon |
Remember Vietnam? I mean, you do know they used Guerilla tactics in that war. You do realize that in Vietnam they had little kids strapped with bombs timed to go off when U.S. soldiers would find them in the cities, they had their wives attack with weapons when their heads were turned. You can't trust civilians either in a war like that. I don't know what kind of war this was because the whole thing made me sick to begin with but, I'm assuming they're taught to trust NO ONE in the country.
I don't agree with the war, but the guy killed a civilian who may or may not have been dangerous. I'm sorry, but you guys aren't there, and I'm not there. It's all speculation I know but, if I was in Iraq, and as crazy as that fucking country is right now, I'd have an itchy fucking trigger finger ya know? It's life or fucking death out there, you do what you have to to survive. Don't call the guy a fucking coward or a pussy, you weren't there.
go back to snorting coke. |
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| oat |
| It's 1 civilian,, get over it.... Nobody here was there when it happened.. Everybody on death row is innocent as well.... Get the facts, THEN pass judgement.... After all, no one has ever killed an innocent american civilian have they... |
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| patcracker |
This is how Bush has royally fucked up the "War on terror". If the US had gone after Al Qeada in Afghanistan and completed the job and not invaded a Sovereign country under the most questionable terms we would not be where we are today. You dont justify bad behavior with bad behavior. There is no rational arguement for killing a civilian becuase he lives next to a terrorist. George Orwell wrote about this in Animal Farm. If we do not hold ourselves up to a higher standard than how do we expect to hold up anyone else?
:chick: <----- Republicans |
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| DREAD |
Guerilla's are citizen's by day and warriors by night.
Viet Nam was conquered by a General who lived in Saigon by day, next door to the American consulate and by night directed all NVA operations country wide-
There are no innocents- we know there is a guerilla resistance / insurgancy- these people by day are one thing- two hours later they are planting mines-
If the "innocents" are kept in line through fear of reprisals and therefore do not exponge the guerillas- than the only way to gain control of the population is to buy them off or to make them so afraid of you that they chose you out of fear and reject your enemy.
This is an ugly truth- but an effective reality and a manner in which conflicts have been won for thousands of years. Marines are SHOCK Troops- it is what we do. We shock- we kill in a frenzy and as far as I am concerned, all of Iraq is a free fire zone- |
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| DREAD |
Quote: Originally posted by patcracker
This is how Bush has royally fucked up the "War on terror". If the US had gone after Al Qeada in Afghanistan and completed the job and not invaded a Sovereign country under the most questionable terms we would not be where we are today. You dont justify bad behavior with bad behavior. There is no rational arguement for killing a civilian becuase he lives next to a terrorist. George Orwell wrote about this in Animal Farm. If we do not hold ourselves up to a higher standard than how do we expect to hold up anyone else?
:chick: <----- Republicans |
Keep wistfully wishing we had not taken that turn- well buckle up buddy this is like a room in Hostel- on our vacation to Wolf Creek hosted by Freddy. It fucking sucks and until we sack up and sack out- we are caught in a rock spot.
I would rather lay waste to the entire nation and leave the world quaking in fear than to meekly escape as pussies, losers, assholes and a failed nation.
Nuke it- Foot Ball Deployed. |
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| Crazytree |
wait I was confused.
you're upset at him for copping a plea... not for 1st degree murder.
forgot who I was talking to here for a minute. :rolleyes: |
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| patcracker |
I would rather lay waste to the entire nation and leave the world quaking in fear than to meekly escape as pussies, losers, assholes and a failed nation.
The world no longer quakes in fear from the USA. President Bush has already spent that capital. As far as your ramblings, they have professionals for that or you can suck on .357 magnum.
:chick: <----- Republicans |
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| DREAD |
Quote: Originally posted by patcracker
I would rather lay waste to the entire nation and leave the world quaking in fear than to meekly escape as pussies, losers, assholes and a failed nation.
The world no longer quakes in fear from the USA. President Bush has already spent that capital. As far as your ramblings, they have professionals for that or you can suck on .357 magnum.
:chick: <----- Republicans |
Nice come back- is that all you have. Idiot. Go post in Gen Shat.
At least CT has some wit. |
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| FatesWebb |
Quote: Originally posted by patcracker
I would rather lay waste to the entire nation and leave the world quaking in fear than to meekly escape as pussies, losers, assholes and a failed nation.
The world no longer quakes in fear from the USA. President Bush has already spent that capital. As far as your ramblings, they have professionals for that or you can suck on .357 magnum.
:chick: <----- Republicans |
the only people that quake in fear are the americans, because of the over exaggerated propaganda of thier president, and republican party.
terrorism is the act of instilling fear in someone.
That is precisely what bush and his cronies do to america... though thier propaganda. |
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| patcracker |
Dont confuse fact with wit.
:chick: <----- Republicans |
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| Crazytree |
wait... we're supposed to be spreading freedom and getting the Iraqis to cooperate with us...
BY TURNING THEIR COUNTRY INTO A "FREE-FIRE ZONE"!?!?!?!?!
ridiculous. |
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| DREAD |
Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
wait... we're supposed to be spreading freedom and getting the Iraqis to cooperate with us...
BY TURNING THEIR COUNTRY INTO A "FREE-FIRE ZONE"!?!?!?!?!
ridiculous. |
CT et al-
the act of war has not changed much in the last few thousand years, what has changed is the concept of humanity and warfare. Collateral damage is relatively a new concept, smart munitions have only begun to come into their own in the last 10 years.
Viet Nam ushered in an idea of warfare that gave safe passage to high priority targets, because of their collocation with collateral targets. Similarly, Viet Nam exposed US forces to guerrilla warfare- to which, unprofessional politician generals attempted, weakly, to overcome.
Iraq is now an exact Viet Nam model where our troops are exposed to rampant guerrilla warfare. At this juncture we have only one choice-
1. Who's will is stronger? Our or theirs? Do we really want or need to achieve our goals?
If the answer is yes, than we must defeat the guerrilla- with their own tactics. Guerrilla warfare can be beaten, but it is brutal, devastating and horrible. There is no simple solution to guerrilla warfare. Yet our failed politician generals leave them in place to nipped and bitten at will.
You do not defeat guerrillas with hospitals and schools- you beat them by destroying the will of the people to support them. There is no other solutions. That is the sick final end to all of this bullshit hemming and hawing-
Bush needs to shit already and get off the pot... |
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| Jack Shit |
Quote: Originally posted by DREAD
CT et al-
the act of war has not changed much in the last few thousand years, what has changed is the concept of humanity and warfare. Collateral damage is relatively a new concept, smart munitions have only begun to come into their own in the last 10 years.
Viet Nam ushered in an idea of warfare that gave safe passage to high priority targets, because of their collocation with collateral targets. Similarly, Viet Nam exposed US forces to guerrilla warfare- to which, unprofessional politician generals attempted, weakly, to overcome.
Iraq is now an exact Viet Nam model where our troops are exposed to rampant guerrilla warfare. At this juncture we have only one choice-
1. Who's will is stronger? Our or theirs? Do we really want or need to achieve our goals?
If the answer is yes, than we must defeat the guerrilla- with their own tactics. Guerrilla warfare can be beaten, but it is brutal, devastating and horrible. There is no simple solution to guerrilla warfare. Yet our failed politician generals leave them in place to nipped and bitten at will.
You do not defeat guerrillas with hospitals and schools- you beat them by destroying the will of the people to support them. There is no other solutions. That is the sick final end to all of this bullshit hemming and hawing-
Bush needs to shit already and get off the pot... |
Dread,
Please review Russia's effort in Chechnya to do as you suggest and get back to me. TIA. :hw: |
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| DREAD |
Quote: Originally posted by Jack Shit
Dread,
Please review Russia's effort in Chechnya to do as you suggest and get back to me. TIA. :hw: |
They themselves failed in Chechnya because they allowed themselves to be buttoned up in their armour. They hunkered down and only traveled out of heavily fortified positions in heavy convoys- they ended up much like we did in Viet Nam and us in Iraq- fire bases and an inability to travel at will. The Russians did not take the war to the people Jack- that is where they failed. |
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| salafibrigades |
| Can you imagine being in that hellhole? I feel so sorry for these heroic kids. Of course it is disgusting to kill people for no reason, but they are being brainwashed and defrauded. |
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| Crazytree |
Dread,
I'm sorry but I don't believe that our "objective" in Iraq is worth turning the country into a "Free Fire Zone" and the continued losses of life on both sides. |
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| pierpontfinch |
Quote: Originally posted by DREAD
CT et al-
the act of war has not changed much in the last few thousand years, what has changed is the concept of humanity and warfare. Collateral damage is relatively a new concept, smart munitions have only begun to come into their own in the last 10 years.
Viet Nam ushered in an idea of warfare that gave safe passage to high priority targets, because of their collocation with collateral targets. Similarly, Viet Nam exposed US forces to guerrilla warfare- to which, unprofessional politician generals attempted, weakly, to overcome.
Iraq is now an exact Viet Nam model where our troops are exposed to rampant guerrilla warfare. At this juncture we have only one choice-
1. Who's will is stronger? Our or theirs? Do we really want or need to achieve our goals?
If the answer is yes, than we must defeat the guerrilla- with their own tactics. Guerrilla warfare can be beaten, but it is brutal, devastating and horrible. There is no simple solution to guerrilla warfare. Yet our failed politician generals leave them in place to nipped and bitten at will.
You do not defeat guerrillas with hospitals and schools- you beat them by destroying the will of the people to support them. There is no other solutions. That is the sick final end to all of this bullshit hemming and hawing-
Bush needs to shit already and get off the pot... |
Dread, we meet again on our favorite topic! :D
I'll get to the Marine in a moment, but I wanted to mention this first.
I don't dispute anything you say about war being an ugly business -- it is, and with it comes the necessity of incurring the collateral damage. If we were still fighting the War on Terror in Afghanistan, where that primary front remains (until we get more intel on Osama), I would completely understand laying waste the entire landscape. But that's not the "war" we're fighting in Iraq. We're not taking over a country there -- we could have, had that been the intent. We could have scorched the earth and wiped them all out. We didn't, because the US is trying to build a nation by imposing democracy on a society that showed no initiative to extricate itself from under the thumb of Saddam for twenty some-odd years. This ill-conceived exercise in nation building simply does not lend itself to the kind of "war" that can be won by conventional means.
As for Private Jodka, being "at war" is not a license to kill anyone and anything. I don't know what the private went through, how the plan was formulated, whether it was truly a "heat of battle" situation or something more pre-meditated and sinister. But from the looks of things, this killing was not one of the things that is ordinarily contemplated in a war -- nor is it worthy of any Marine. "Always Faithful" includes faithfulness to this country and what it is supposed to stand for. This kind of a killing is not what America is supposed to be about, and it's not the kind of thing that any Marine should have contemplated. |
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| DREAD |
Quote: Originally posted by pierpontfinch
Dread, we meet again on our favorite topic! :D
I'll get to the Marine in a moment, but I wanted to mention this first.
I don't dispute anything you say about war being an ugly business -- it is, and with it comes the necessity of incurring the collateral damage. If we were still fighting the War on Terror in Afghanistan, where that primary front remains (until we get more intel on Osama), I would completely understand laying waste the entire landscape. But that's not the "war" we're fighting in Iraq. We're not taking over a country there -- we could have, had that been the intent. We could have scorched the earth and wiped them all out. We didn't, because the US is trying to build a nation by imposing democracy on a society that showed no initiative to extricate itself from under the thumb of Saddam for twenty some-odd years. This ill-conceived exercise in nation building simply does not lend itself to the kind of "war" that can be won by conventional means.
As for Private Jodka, being "at war" is not a license to kill anyone and anything. I don't know what the private went through, how the plan was formulated, whether it was truly a "heat of battle" situation or something more pre-meditated and sinister. But from the looks of things, this killing was not one of the things that is ordinarily contemplated in a war -- nor is it worthy of any Marine. "Always Faithful" includes faithfulness to this country and what it is supposed to stand for. This kind of a killing is not what America is supposed to be about, and it's not the kind of thing that any Marine should have contemplated. |
Good morning sir- and the rest of you SFN Politics Fuckers!
You pose the point that the Iraqi's had "...no initiative to extricate itself from under the thumb of Saddam for twenty some-odd years." because Saddam destroyed their will to resist- he put down any idea of a resistance with violent and deadly consequences.
In Afghanistan we should be closing with and destroying the tribal lords who are now our enemies- yet we do not. That area, and especially the area along the Pakistani border is a prime nuclear target. We will never - ever- rid the world of Al Queda. We had our opportunity and we missed it. Afghanistan- a failed front. Iraq- a failed front.
Onto the topic of the Marine- in a guerrilla war people are not innocent. They are either guilty of fighting against you or supporting those who fight against you- they let their houses be used as safe houses, drop houses, caches, ambushes etc.. they are then guilty. This is why there was no premeditation- they were looking for guerrilla insurgents and their supporters- they found one and they attempted to begin to take away the will of the people to support the opposition- much like the way it has been accomplished for hundreds of years- the only way it is accomplished.
CT say's laying waste to the whole country is not worth the victory. It is because it will result in longer lasting peace. Fleeing Iraq emboldens and empowers. It would not take the destruction of the country- that is an over statement- it will cost a few cities- but in the end the price of peace is worth it.
We have opened the box- now we have to put the lid back on, there is no easy answer such as getting out. Those who continue to lament that we should not even be there anymore need to get a new string to be pulled- we're beyond that point now. |
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| Saucey |
| Unfortunately, the version of events that have been offered by the Marine in question is likely going to put a slight shade in his favor while pinning the majority of any alleged atrocity on the other participants. Such is human nature. We as non-witnesses are only going to get versions from various soldiers, non of which are likely to be completely true. Theres always 2 or more versions of a story, somewhere in the middle lies the truth, one we will likely never know. |
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