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| wickedhahn |
Chris Lytle Vs. Matt Serra
Chris Lytle
Matt Serra
Patrick Cote Vs. Travis Lutter
Patrick Cote
Travis Lutter
Rich Clementi Vs. Din Thomas
Rich Clementi
Din Thomas
Edwin Dewees Vs. Jorge Rivera
Edwin Dewees
Jorge Rivera
under card fights
Jeremy Jackson Vs. Pete Spratt
Scott Smith Vs. Pete Sell
Gideon Ray Vs. Charles McCarthy
Thales Leites Vs. Martin Kampmann |
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| thosefnguys |
My Picks:
1) Serra over Lytle [Upset]
2) Cote over Lutter [b/c he's been training w/ GSP, who is training for next week's fight against Hughes]
3) Thomas over Clementi [Clementi just didn't show me anything this season.]
4) Rivera over Bam Bam [Rivera needs the $ for his family, so I expect him to be more hungry] |
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| dezpaul81 |
1)see previous post
2)Lutter over Cote
3)see previous post
4)Bam Bam over Jorge |
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| GayTony |
| damn that was fast! |
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| wickedhahn |
| what a fucking bullshit stop he was covering up he wasn't in trouble |
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| GayTony |
| Holy SHit this Rivera guy is nuts...:D |
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| thosefnguys |
he may not have been injured, but Bam Bam was pinned down. That is a really tough call.
Well, 1/1 tonight.
Unfortunately, I can't post anything more for another 1/2 hour. Goddamn Junior Status. :(
PS: Can't wait for fucking Matt Hughes to get his goddamn bell rung. He was really lucky against BJ Penn. [Penn broke HIS OWN RIB when flexing while in a contorted position.. Penn lost that fight, Matt didn't win it] |
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| wickedhahn |
i heard in a interview from sherdog Hughes is retiring*sp* in 2 more fights
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i hope GSP wins |
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| ndhalogod |
Quote: Originally posted by wickedhahn
i heard in a interview from sherdog Hughes is retiring*sp* in 2 more fights
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i hope GSP wins |
I call BS. Hughes is only 33 and has a lot of money left on the table to be made.
I liked: Rivera, Din, Lytle, Lutter. |
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| ndhalogod |
| Oh, I wasn't saying that you were lying. I just think his age + the lucrative nature of MMA at this point will be too tempting for him to quit 5-6 months from now. Retirements in the fight game tend to be about as ironclad as MJ's foray into baseball (excluding those from serious injury). |
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| GayTony |
:omfg:
he broke his rib! what a turnaround!@ |
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| wickedhahn |
| damn what a awesome ko |
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| thosefnguys |
WHAT A JOKE!
FIGHT WAS A JOKE WITH TWO JOKERS, AND ENDS LIKE A JOKE!!!
AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
[BTW I'm 2/2 so far... didn't count this fight] |
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| ndhalogod |
That's what Drago deserves for not taking him down. Fucking moron.
I'll never understand why people don't fight to their relative strengths. Stubborness doesn't get you W's. |
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| ndhalogod |
Quote: Originally posted by thosefnguys
he may not have been injured, but Bam Bam was pinned down. That is a really tough call.
Well, 1/1 tonight.
Unfortunately, I can't post anything more for another 1/2 hour. Goddamn Junior Status. :(
PS: Can't wait for fucking Matt Hughes to get his goddamn bell rung. He was really lucky against BJ Penn. [Penn broke HIS OWN RIB when flexing while in a contorted position.. Penn lost that fight, Matt didn't win it] |
Not sure how Hughes was lucky. He won the fight exactly how he predicted. He withstood BJ's initial stand-up splurge and then survived on the ground until Penn gassed. Then he fucked him up. Hughes trained harder and Hughes wanted it more on the fight nite. Hughes deserved the win. "Luck" was not a factor, imo. |
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| artiefan711 |
| Thanks for the heads up i am guessing the replay just started so i wont read the thread but thanks.... |
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| wickedhahn |
so far i like this tuf finale
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actually the replay starts at 12am est. this TUF finale is 3 hours long |
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| artiefan711 |
Damn so it must have started at 8,
Thanks hahn.... |
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| thosefnguys |
Quote: Originally posted by ndhalogod
Not sure how Hughes was lucky. He won the fight exactly how he predicted. He withstood BJ's initial stand-up splurge and then survived on the ground until Penn gassed. Then he fucked him up. Hughes trained harder and Hughes wanted it more on the fight nite. Hughes deserved the win. "Luck" was not a factor, imo. |
I torrented the fight, so I have teh advantage of going back and watching it whenever I want. BJ didn't gas.
The 1st round, BJ picked Matt apart standing. He started to do so the 2nd round, when Matt took him down. From there, Matt tried going on teh offensive, but was generally unsuccessful. BJ then contorted himself, and was able to get around onto Matt's back and began to choke him. Period 2 ends, all agree BJ took it to Matt the 1st 2 rounds. BJ is slow to get up.
At the end of teh second round, BJ broke one of his ribs. I explained what it all was in one of these forum posts, and I'm not going to look for it. Suffice to say, after all technical explanations are done, the Broken rib causes constriction of the rib cage, specifically the lungs.
BJ was NOT in as good of shape as Matt. But, it was the injury that caused teh majority of the fatigue. BJ had his number that whole fight, save the 3rd round.
Hope I don't sound rude, but I'm just irritated when people say BJ gassed when he didn't. I hate Hughes, but I'll give him credit when credit is due. I expect th same from others on my teams / fighters.
Anyway, this curent fight sucks, and still think Serra will pull off the upset tonight.
Fucking Cote. |
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| ndhalogod |
Quote: Originally posted by thosefnguys
BJ was NOT in as good of shape as Matt. But, it was the injury that caused teh majority of the fatigue. BJ had his number that whole fight, save the 3rd round. |
He wasn't in title fight shape, period. He "broke a rib" because his belly is soft as shit. How do you know the injury "caused the majority of the fatigue?" And regardless, he was clearly gassing for the entire final 90 seconds of Round 2. I'm not sure it wouldn't have happened anyway.
Also, if you're going to come off as an "expert," you should at least know Penn's actual injury. He separated cartilage in his ribcage (rather than breaking a rib), which could be attributed to a lack of training/conditioning as much as actual punishment or a random freak occurrence.
Having one's number the "entire fight" except the part where they got knocked the fuck out doesn't mean much. If you can't fight the entirety of a title fight, you won't be champion.
I'm sick of all of the Penn apologists making excuses every time he gets his ass kicked. It happened against Machida, it happened against GSP, and it finally occurred against Hughes. He didn't deserve to win any of the 3 fights.
The guy is a freak of an athlete and absolutely ridiculous on the ground. The "Prodigy" has as much natural talent as anyone in MMA. But he doesn't train as hard as the real champions and doesn't want it enough to win when it counts (anymore) late in fights.
He should be fighting at 155 and never losing a fight for the rest of his career if he were smart. But he'll take the lazy way out and train half-assed to fight 170 and get beat by the elite Welterweights. |
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| thosefnguys |
Wow.... Serra pulls out a split decision in the worst fight of the night.
Ugh. I'm going out. Broads and Booze are calling my name.
Edited so I can Respond: I insert the Numbers the Quote and address it right below. Also, I apologize for grammar / spelling ... I'm in a hurry.
Quote: Originally posted by ndhalogod
(1) He wasn't in title fight shape, period. He "broke a rib" because his belly is soft as shit. How do you know the injury "caused the majority of the fatigue?" (2)And regardless, he was clearly gassing for the entire final 90 seconds of Round 2. I'm not sure it wouldn't have happened anyway.
(3) Also, if you're going to come off as an "expert," you should at least know Penn's actual injury. (4) He separated cartilage in his ribcage (rather than breaking a rib), which could be attributed to a lack of training/conditioning as much as actual punishment or a random freak occurrence.
5) Having one's number the "entire fight" except the part where they got knocked the fuck out doesn't mean much. If you can't fight the entirety of a title fight, you won't be champion.
6) I'm sick of all of the Penn apologists making excuses every time he gets his ass kicked. It happened against Machida, it happened against GSP, and it finally occurred against Hughes. He didn't deserve to win any of the 3 fights.
7) The guy is a freak of an athlete and absolutely ridiculous on the ground. The "Prodigy" has as much natural talent as anyone in MMA. But he doesn't train as hard as the real champions and doesn't want it enough to win when it counts (anymore) late in fights.
He should be fighting at 155 and never losing a fight for the rest of his career if he were smart. But he'll take the lazy way out and train half-assed to fight 170 and get beat by the elite Welterweights. |
1) I stated he wasnt in Title shape. BJ wasn;t in as good as shape as Matt. But tha wasn't the cause of the fatigue
2) He was gassing in te last 90 seconds of teh 2nd round because he broke his rib when he contorted to get around Matt. I said that in my previous post. It happened when he moved around Matt while contorted. How can I know this? A) You can see his face when it happens. D/L the fight and watch it. B) Matt never struck BJ in the ribcage. Matt took it to BJ's face in the 3rd round, after BJ walks out holding his ribcage.
3) You're wasting my time with this. How do I know a rib injury caused fatigue? Well, other than common sense and rela life experience, I guess I have to go into detail for you.
Just a Cut and Paste from MMAweekly:
"According to the findings of physician Sameer Nagda, MD, “There is evidence of a fracture of the right tenth costochondral junction with evidence of surrounding soft tissue edema and fluid consistent with moderate grade muscle strains of the intercostals and oblique musculature in the region of fracture.”
According to MedHelp.org, the costochondral junction is, “The point where the ribs articulate with the sternum.” What this essentially means is that during his fight with Hughes, Penn sustained a fracture of the connective tissue between his ribs and the sternum. This injury is considered to be a rib fracture."
Then, talking to my sister, an athletic training major form Purdue Universoty [no, not as good as a Doctor, but more knowledgable than either you, myself, or 9/10 of this Board] [Paraphrased] "With an injury, the muscles surrounding it [said injury] constrict. So, If he broke a rib, the muscles would constrict around that lung."
Just so you know, lungs are needed to breathe. Oh, that's also confirmed by the same article, as is when the injury occurred:
"Penn’s web site says, “While in Las Vegas for UFC 64, BJ met with the UFC’s orthopedic surgeon and sports medicine doctor in Las Vegas for a physical exam and diagnostic MRI study of his ribs and oblique muscles on his right side. The report verified and substantiated exactly what happened to BJ at the end of the second round when he thrusted up and around to gain Matt’s back. During this upward and twisting movement, BJ pulled/tore internal muscles located inside and around the bottom right rib and fractured the rib. As explained, this type of trauma can and will cause a constriction of his right lung, leading to a substantially diminished breathing capacity.”"
4) Don't be an idiot. He broke his rib from lack of training? Right. Well, Sure Hope I don't break y shin bone walking, as I'm not sure I've ever exercised that bone / cartilege, or any other bone / cartilege in my body.
Oh, that must also explain why Rich Franklin's nose broke. He didn't exercise / train it to take a knee to the face. Hope he knows better next time.
5) Good point, and well taken [Finally!]. Anyway, like I said, BJ lost the fight, Matt didn't win it. I think that is pretty much what you're said.
6) I was only talking about his fight w/ Matt. Not w/ GSP, etc. I focused on one issue / fight. Don't put words / arguments in my mouth / post.
7) I pretty much agre with everything else excpet he'll be beat by all of the "elite" in the division. Last I checked, there were only 3: BJ, Matt, GSP. Everyone else, as Matt has said, is "a distant second."
I'm going out now. Feel free to argue, though. I probably won't chech this post again, unless I'm totally trashed [whhich I expect] and w/out a broad [which I don't].
Hope you don;t hold a grudge for the ass whooping. |
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| ndhalogod |
Quote: Originally posted by thosefnguys
Wow.... Serra pulls out a split decision in the worst fight of the night.
Ugh. I'm going out. Broads and Booze are calling my name.
Edited so I can Respond: I insert the Numbers the Quote and address it right below. Also, I apologize for grammar / spelling ... I'm in a hurry.
1) I stated he wasnt in Title shape. BJ wasn;t in as good as shape as Matt. But tha wasn't the cause of the fatigue
2) He was gassing in te last 90 seconds of teh 2nd round because he broke his rib when he contorted to get around Matt. I said that in my previous post. It happened when he moved around Matt while contorted. How can I know this? A) You can see his face when it happens. D/L the fight and watch it. B) Matt never struck BJ in the ribcage. Matt took it to BJ's face in the 3rd round, after BJ walks out holding his ribcage.
3) You're wasting my time with this. How do I know a rib injury caused fatigue? Well, other than common sense and rela life experience, I guess I have to go into detail for you.
Just a Cut and Paste from MMAweekly:
"According to the findings of physician Sameer Nagda, MD, “There is evidence of a fracture of the right tenth costochondral junction with evidence of surrounding soft tissue edema and fluid consistent with moderate grade muscle strains of the intercostals and oblique musculature in the region of fracture.”
According to MedHelp.org, the costochondral junction is, “The point where the ribs articulate with the sternum.” What this essentially means is that during his fight with Hughes, Penn sustained a fracture of the connective tissue between his ribs and the sternum. This injury is considered to be a rib fracture."
Then, talking to my sister, an athletic training major form Purdue Universoty [no, not as good as a Doctor, but more knowledgable than either you, myself, or 9/10 of this Board] [Paraphrased] "With an injury, the muscles surrounding it [said injury] constrict. So, If he broke a rib, the muscles would constrict around that lung."
Just so you know, lungs are needed to breathe. Oh, that's also confirmed by the same article, as is when the injury occurred:
"Penn’s web site says, “While in Las Vegas for UFC 64, BJ met with the UFC’s orthopedic surgeon and sports medicine doctor in Las Vegas for a physical exam and diagnostic MRI study of his ribs and oblique muscles on his right side. The report verified and substantiated exactly what happened to BJ at the end of the second round when he thrusted up and around to gain Matt’s back. During this upward and twisting movement, BJ pulled/tore internal muscles located inside and around the bottom right rib and fractured the rib. As explained, this type of trauma can and will cause a constriction of his right lung, leading to a substantially diminished breathing capacity.”"
4) Don't be an idiot. He broke his rib from lack of training? Right. Well, Sure Hope I don't break y shin bone walking, as I'm not sure I've ever exercised that bone / cartilege, or any other bone / cartilege in my body.
Oh, that must also explain why Rich Franklin's nose broke. He didn't exercise / train it to take a knee to the face. Hope he knows better next time.
5) Good point, and well taken [Finally!]. Anyway, like I said, BJ lost the fight, Matt didn't win it. I think that is pretty much what you're said.
6) I was only talking about his fight w/ Matt. Not w/ GSP, etc. I focused on one issue / fight. Don't put words / arguments in my mouth / post.
7) I pretty much agre with everything else excpet he'll be beat by all of the "elite" in the division. Last I checked, there were only 3: BJ, Matt, GSP. Everyone else, as Matt has said, is "a distant second."
I'm going out now. Feel free to argue, though. I probably won't chech this post again, unless I'm totally trashed [whhich I expect] and w/out a broad [which I don't].
Hope you don;t hold a grudge for the ass whooping. |
1. You have no proof over the cause as well as whether or not the injury was material (ie, whether Penn would've gassed anyway, like he did against GSP at the same point). If you don't come into a title fight in good shape, you're rolling the dice like crazy regardless of whether or not you get to blame your loss on an injury.
2. If you tear cartilage in your ribcage by moving, you need to train harder. Cartilage and bone can be strengthened, calcified, and elasticized via exercise and stretching. Was it a freak occurrence or the product of inactivity or too much exertion on an area not used to contact/stress? Uh, not sure how to prove that either way. But I don't see why one explanation is more plausible than the other. But if you train the way Matt Hughes does, you maximize the odds that your body is in proper shape to handle a 25 minute fight, rather than an 8 minute bout.
3. Maybe if you quote me, you can use the entirety of the quote, fag. How do you know it caused the "majority" of the fatigue? Yes, a rib injury constricts the lungs and hampers breathing while causing pain. But was he not breathing with his mouth open and losing speed and snap on his strikes and lateral movement before the injury? Again, these are professional fighters. Scott Smith just KO'd someone tonite from an actual contact blow damaging his floating ribs, rather than an injury from being fat. Does BJ Penn have less desire than Scott Smith? Pathetic.
4. Straining or separating cartilage is NOT a rib fracture by definition. If you want to call it a rib fracture to "dumb it down" for the mass audience, that's fine, but it's still not a rib fracture. In fact, the straining or separation of cartilage connecting ribs to the sternum is potentially much LESS painful than an actual rib fracture. Again, muscles, cartilage, tendons, bones, etc can all be strengthened thru proper intense training. Was a lack of training the actual cause? No. But vigorous training regimens reduce the percentages of pulls/tears/injury in situations like this.
5. No, Matt won it by getting Penn in a crucifix and pounding his skull until he stopped defending himself. Matt was the better fighter then, he's the better fighter today, and he'll be where my money's at when it opens at about -150 if there's a next time.
6. The pro-Penn posts tend to come in cycles. The next time I see a Penn loss, I'll hear he was too small, he broke his hand, he "broke a rib," etc. It gets tiresome. The guy doesn't train like a champion or deserve to win these big fights. If you're being somewhat objective and not a nut-hugger, I retract my comments. But if you think Penn is the best 170 pounder in the world and "beat himself" against GSP and Hughes, then you're no different than the apologists I'm referencing.
7. If Penn doesn't take him seriously, Diego Sanchez would be a great value bet against Penn. As for the other American 170's, I agree. But I sense GSP-Penn II regardless of whether Hughes wins, and then if Penn were to beat GSP (or should I say, "not beat himself"), he'd fight Hughes in the rubber match (if he doesn't retire, which I don't see happening).
The UFC isn't going to pay Penn-sized purses to him for fighting Joe Riggs and Jason Von Goo. So again, he's going to continue to lose to the elite Welterweights (Hughes, GSP, and maybe Sanchez) until he pushes himself to be as good as he should be. |
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| thosefnguys |
Uhm, you're an idiot and you need to research facts before inserting them into your arguments.
1) A Rib injury that constricts the lung capacity may not be a material injury? In a long term bout?
2) Cartilege and bone can be strengthened be strengthened, calcified, and elasticized? What are you, fucking retarded? You can't stretch bone. CANNOT BE DONE. CANNOT CANNOT CANNOT.
The only time bone or cartilege is calcified is when there's a constant irritation of said area. Then, said calcification interferes with the muscle, making it WEAKER in that spot. You lose mobility and strength. Look up Myostis ossificans, fucktard.
3) I did quote you in your entirety, Fag. All I did was hit the "quote" button, and then inserted numbers so you can follow. Unfortunately, I guess you can't even recognize fully what you wrote. Eat a dick.
And again, BJ walked off holding his ribs. I don't even know how to show you this. It's like, I'm pointing at a fucking chair, saying it's a chair, and then you say"well, it could be a table, if you eat off it." It's a chair. BJ was tired, but was GREATLY more so after the injury.
4) Straining / separation of rib cartilege is less painful than a broken rib? Both have the same effect: pain and constriction of the lungs for lessened oxygen.
And that's a quote from the UFC FUCKING DOCTOR. I don't give a fuck what you want to call it, He has more credibility than you. He has a fucking degree and practices in the medical field. You? I have no idea, but obviously you're not in a professional field of any sort.
5) Yes, Matt technically won the bout when he put BJ in a crucifix. Good job on recognizing a win occurred without looking at how it came about. Statistics must be gold in your world. here's another one: I am 1,000-0 in Unarmed combat. 2 fights at bars, and the other 998 against my nephew when I tossed him around and tickled him until he gave up when he was between 2-5 years old. Nothing matter about my opponent, as my stats are awesome. Dipshit.
6) Retraction accepted.
7) I will bet you ANYTHING you fucking want that if BJ fought Sanchez, BJ would win at this point in Sanchez's career. BJ's experience would give him a dominanting edge, and Dana isn't going to set this up anytiime soon b/c he's grooming Sanchez for the future.
Don't bother replying. Just lick your wounds and go away.
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| ndhalogod |
Quote: Originally posted by thosefnguys
Uhm, you're an idiot and you need to research facts before inserting them into your arguments.
1) A Rib injury that constricts the lung capacity may not be a material injury? In a long term bout?
2) Cartilege and bone can be strengthened be strengthened, calcified, and elasticized? What are you, fucking retarded? You can't stretch bone. CANNOT BE DONE. CANNOT CANNOT CANNOT.
The only time bone or cartilege is calcified is when there's a constant irritation of said area. Then, said calcification interferes with the muscle, making it WEAKER in that spot. You lose mobility and strength. Look up Myostis ossificans, fucktard.
3) I did quote you in your entirety, Fag. All I did was hit the "quote" button, and then inserted numbers so you can follow. Unfortunately, I guess you can't even recognize fully what you wrote. Eat a dick.
And again, BJ walked off holding his ribs. I don't even know how to show you this. It's like, I'm pointing at a fucking chair, saying it's a chair, and then you say"well, it could be a table, if you eat off it." It's a chair. BJ was tired, but was GREATLY more so after the injury.
4) Straining / separation of rib cartilege is less painful than a broken rib? Both have the same effect: pain and constriction of the lungs for lessened oxygen.
And that's a quote from the UFC FUCKING DOCTOR. I don't give a fuck what you want to call it, He has more credibility than you. He has a fucking degree and practices in the medical field. You? I have no idea, but obviously you're not in a professional field of any sort.
5) Yes, Matt technically won the bout when he put BJ in a crucifix. Good job on recognizing a win occurred without looking at how it came about. Statistics must be gold in your world. here's another one: I am 1,000-0 in Unarmed combat. 2 fights at bars, and the other 998 against my nephew when I tossed him around and tickled him until he gave up when he was between 2-5 years old. Nothing matter about my opponent, as my stats are awesome. Dipshit.
6) Retraction accepted.
7) I will bet you ANYTHING you fucking want that if BJ fought Sanchez, BJ would win at this point in Sanchez's career. BJ's experience would give him a dominanting edge, and Dana isn't going to set this up anytiime soon b/c he's grooming Sanchez for the future.
Don't bother replying. Just lick your wounds and go away.
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1. Yeah, when they were in the 5th round, how much damage was the rib injury doing to Penn? Oh yeah, he gave up and surrendered his back to Hughes instantly because he has no heart. And was it a material injury in the Smith-Drago fight? No.
2. I was using those terms semi-inclusively. Cartilege gains flexibility and bones calcify (I should've used the term osteogenesis, rather than calcification. I apologize for my lack of precise medical terminology) upon repeated impact and stress. You know, this is why Thai boxers who kick a tree 1000 times a day don't break their shins when they get their kicks checked 50 times in a fight. Similarly, guys who get hit in the ribs and abdomen or stretch these areas enough to be professional fighters, shouldn't rip their ripcage apart after 7 minutes of fighting under no impact.
Bones create the most strength along stress lines. This is high school biology, buddy.
But rather than take exception to semantics, why not look at the point I was making? You have no evidence that the injury could not have been avoided or had its risks severely minimized had Penn not trained harder for the title bout. There is no reason to believe his lack of preparation had nothing to do with the injury or that he wouldn't have gassed at the same point as he did against GSP, when he appeared to be in identical shape. You can't penalize Hughes or undermine his effort because Penn is fat OR suffered "bad luck." That is why I took exception to your original comment, and that's why this exchange is taking place. Penn deserved the L.
3. Not the block quote, your quote in your analysis of my original quote. You neglected that I used the word "material" which changed the entire meaning of what you quoted and responded to. Again, how much of his fatigue was from the injury and how much was from being a fatass who didn't train? Your subjective guess is neat, but no better than the guy bartending at Hooters who saw 30 seconds of the fight.
4. Remember how you said it was a broken rib and I was a moron? Then you didn't read your own quote to realize it wasn't a broken rib? Bones also have nerves directly on them, which generally makes a broken rib more painful. Can circumstances alter this? Yes, but ultimately, imo, Penn could've fought thru it. Hell, Rob MacDonald fought with a torn labrum and tricep and still managed to be competitive in a fight NOT for a title.
My point is not that it didn't constrict his breathing, it's that: a) it wasn't necessarily material in costing him the fight (I think he was gassing and would've lost anyway) and b) it could've been avoided/minimized thru vigorous training. Show me a full 5 round fight since Penn's weight-gain where he hasn't half-assed it in the fight and in training and show me a fighter who suffers the same injury and trains at the level of a Matt Hughes, Fedor, or any of the well-known MMA cardio freaks and I'll recant. Otherwise, I'm blaming fatty.
5. Hughes won the fight or BJ Penn beat himself, which is it?
6. We'll see what you have to say the next time he shows up at a fight with an Artie Lange gut and loses.
7. Again, read what I wrote. I'm anticipating GSP-Penn II, Penn-Hughes III, and then Diego-Penn (if both are still around). If those fights happen, the Diego-Penn bout would likely be in early 2008. If Diego isn't read for his title shot by then, he'll never be. |
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| thosefnguys |
Ignorance is bliss. Wish I was as happy as you.
I also think it's time I take my own advice and stop arguing with you.
"Don't argue with an idiot... he will only drag you down to his level and beat you with experience." |
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