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| bababored |
hey, all you FTE's! do any of you use biodiesel? if so, how is availability? encountered any problems? what blends are available? what do you pay?
if you don't, why not? cost? availability?
I am invovled in a very small scale commercial biodiesel business; make ours from waste veg oil collected from restaurants and sell it to the county and local farmers.
check out www.biodieselnow.com for more info.
any non FTE's using biodiesel or running straight veg oil more than welcome to respond as well. |
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| Stickman |
I make and use BD, what's FTE? If that's some Bubba slang, I'm not a consistent listener of Bubba to know the slang, I mostly listen to Howard.
Loved the Brent show last night. I'll listen to that over any H101 programming. |
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| Jaeger |
Quote: Originally posted by bababored
hey, all you FTE's! do any of you use biodiesel? if so, how is availability? encountered any problems? what blends are available? what do you pay?
if you don't, why not? cost? availability?
I am invovled in a very small scale commercial biodiesel business; make ours from waste veg oil collected from restaurants and sell it to the county and local farmers.
check out www.biodieselnow.com for more info.
any non FTE's using biodiesel or running straight veg oil more than welcome to respond as well. |
Welcome Back baba thanks for doing the right thing and not acting stupid.
Here check this out. It tells you the answer to your questions.
http://www.biodiesel.org/buyingbiod...ilfuelingsites/ |
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| bababored |
thanks jaeger... like i said, i'll keep that shit to my self from now on.
i know that website, I'm just interested in the first hand experiences of the FTE's (Full Trucker Effect) and any other diesel owners around here, and trying to start a dialogue and/or inform some folks of the benefits of biodiesel to the economy, environment and our national security. |
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| bababored |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
I make and use BD, what's FTE? If that's some Bubba slang, I'm not a consistent listener of Bubba to know the slang, I mostly listen to Howard.
Loved the Brent show last night. I'll listen to that over any H101 programming. |
FTE = Full Trucker Effect = our truck driving bro's out there and on this site.
so, you're a home brewer? where do you get your oil? what kind of vehicle(s) are you running on BD? any probs? |
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| Jaeger |
| Are there alot of changes you need to make?? filters, lines ect............... |
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| bababored |
Quote: Originally posted by Jaeger
Are there alot of changes you need to make?? filters, lines ect............... |
no... vehicles from early 90's and up and totally compatible w/biodiesel... running a b20 blend
(20% bio, 80% petro) you won't need to do anything. if you run b100 (straight bio) you will need to change you fuel filter... biodiesel is a strong solvent, and petrodiesel leaves a sludge buildup in your tank, so b100 will break the sludge up and require a filter change.
b100 is not compatible w/ seals and hoses in older vehicles; if you run a b20 blend, you should not run into any probs, but if you plan on running b100 in an older diesel, you will need to change out fuel lines, etc. |
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| capt-nemo |
| your gonna need to change fuel filters pretty often when you first start useing it.its about the same price or higher. |
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| bababored |
Quote: Originally posted by capt-nemo
your gonna need to change fuel filters pretty often when you first start useing it.its about the same price or higher. |
what blend are you using? |
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| trainwrecker22 |
| fte's note if you use power service in biodiesel it gells up |
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| bababored |
Quote: Originally posted by trainwrecker22
fte's note if you use power service in biodiesel it gells up |
does this happen w/ any biodiesel blend, or just b100? i checked their website, and it is approved for blends up to b20...
have you experienced this, or is it something you've heard? |
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| catdr9155 |
| I know I have seen info thru my company's website. Ill keep looking. Using Mc Donnalds fryer oil fleet retrofitting. |
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| bababored |
Quote: Originally posted by catdr9155
I know I have seen info thru my company's website. Ill keep looking. Using Mc Donnalds fryer oil fleet retrofitting. |
cool, tell me more... |
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| catdr9155 |
Quote: Originally posted by bababored
cool, tell me more... |
My service truck is dual fuel, diesel and LNG, not the way to go. Ill check with the overthinkers on monday, the website has no archive search. |
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| Stickman |
I use WVO, heat it to 212 to get the water out, then process it in an appleseed processor (converted water boiler). I live in Florida, so we don't worry about the gel point too much.
I pour into my brand new Jeep Liberty CRD. I use Magnasol to clean the fuel and filter down to 1 micron. I have access to a state of the art chemistry lab so we can test the fuel for purity.
You don't even want to know how much sediment is in the fossil fuel diesel you get at the gas station.
Fuel filters are a problem if the vehicle has been running on fossils, but not if the vehicle is new and has been blended with BD.
I don't use B100, more like B50-B75. |
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| bababored |
Quote: Originally posted by catdr9155
My service truck is dual fuel, diesel and LNG, not the way to go. Ill check with the overthinkers on monday, the website has no archive search. |
i take it you turn wrenches on those big fuckers? i'm a cert. volvo(cars) tech. |
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| bababored |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
I use WVO, heat it to 212 to get the water out, then process it in an appleseed processor (converted water boiler). I live in Florida, so we don't worry about the gel point too much.
I pour into my brand new Jeep Liberty CRD. I use Magnasol to clean the fuel and filter down to 1 micron. I have access to a state of the art chemistry lab so we can test the fuel for purity.
You don't even want to know how much sediment is in the fossil fuel diesel you get at the gas station.
Fuel filters are a problem if the vehicle has been running on fossils, but not if the vehicle is new and has been blended with BD.
I don't use B100, more like B50-B75. |
we tried magnasol for a bit, but bailed and went back to water washing... our wash tank is flat bottomed, and had probs w/it just settling out and clumping up in the bottom.
the petro diesel in the us if for shit!
really wanted to buy a liberty crd, but couldn't afford one at the time...daimler/chrysler has a few diesels coming out for 07... |
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| catdr9155 |
Quote: Originally posted by bababored
i take it you turn wrenches on those big fuckers? i'm a cert. volvo(cars) tech. |
Yeah machinery side of the Az Cat dealer field service. I dont deal with the over the road truck division. |
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| trainwrecker22 |
| had it gell up in a pick up. we had a problem with algee also but that was with diesel from the great white north, though... hey cat doc got ne pics of side booms (pipelayers, side winders) maybe a 583 or 572? |
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| catdr9155 |
Quote: Originally posted by trainwrecker22
had it gell up in a pick up. we had a problem with algee also but that was with diesel from the great white north, though... hey cat doc got ne pics of side booms (pipelayers, side winders) maybe a 583 or 572? |
Sure here is one  |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by bababored
we tried magnasol for a bit, but bailed and went back to water washing... our wash tank is flat bottomed, and had probs w/it just settling out and clumping up in the bottom.
the petro diesel in the us if for shit!
really wanted to buy a liberty crd, but couldn't afford one at the time...daimler/chrysler has a few diesels coming out for 07... |
Yup, filtering large amounts of BD through Magnasol is tricky.
I mix it in one tank than pump it through a sock filter. If it clumps anywhere it's in the filter, so it's not too bad, but it can be slow.
I also think the 2% by weight might be a bit much, depending on how good your source of WVO is. 1% might be a better way to go.
Also, Magnasol is a very simple silica mix. There's a guy here in Clearwater that basically mixes his own blend. Half the price and works better than Magnasol. |
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| webcams |
| All I know is I was told Not to use it by my mechanic, something about documents relating to the sulfur content and engine damage, don't have to tell me twice, in CA the smog guys are so all over our shit that, if it fails you don't want to deal with the problems associated with it and the state and aqmd, I am sure they can get it straight if they work on it, I'm not risking it just yet though. |
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| mcbutton1970 |
Quote: Originally posted by webcams
All I know is I was told Not to use it by my mechanic, something about documents relating to the sulfur content and engine damage, don't have to tell me twice, in CA the smog guys are so all over our shit that, if it fails you don't want to deal with the problems associated with it and the state and aqmd, I am sure they can get it straight if they work on it, I'm not risking it just yet though. |
I know virtually nothing about biodiesel, but as far as the sulfur issue goes with the fuel at the pumps, EPA mandated that there be no more than 50PPM (parts per million) sulfur level in the fuel that goes into the '07 engines (ULSD -- Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel) as compared to previously 500PPM (LSD -- Low Sulfur Diesel). I trained a gentleman a few months ago who has a friend locally that makes his own biodiesel from the used grease from the french fry vats at McDonald's. Like I said, I know nothing about biodiesel besides it being a natural alternative to the refined stuff we get at the pumps. Since I'm a company driver, I am not in a position to make choices like using biodiesel as compared to the refined stuff. I certainly see where its usage would certainly be a welcome alternative to O/Os if it reduces overall expenditures out here. Just my ramblings, but the sulfur mention merited me throwing my 2-cents in. |
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| Stickman |
Biodiesel has about 85% less sulfur content. This is how some states are going to meet the federally mandated new low sulfur diesel laws. Blending BD into regular diesel is going to become very standard.
When I bought my jeep it came with B5, as does every Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep diesel now. |
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| bababored |
Quote: Originally posted by webcams
All I know is I was told Not to use it by my mechanic, something about documents relating to the sulfur content and engine damage, don't have to tell me twice, in CA the smog guys are so all over our shit that, if it fails you don't want to deal with the problems associated with it and the state and aqmd, I am sure they can get it straight if they work on it, I'm not risking it just yet though. |
that's BS... even B2 has 65 times the lubricity of petrodiesel...biodiesel is the most thouroughly tested alternative fuel out there...sulfur provides lubrication, and w/the low sulfur content mandated diesel to be introduced, biodiesel is and excellent replacement for sulfur. if anything, bio will help you pass emmissions testing. |
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| Sieve Boy |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Biodiesel has about 85% less sulfur content. This is how some states are going to meet the federally mandated new low sulfur diesel laws. Blending BD into regular diesel is going to become very standard.
When I bought my jeep it came with B5, as does every Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep diesel now. |
Depending on what is made to create BD, it can produce little to no sulphur emmissions. Soy BD actually produces no sulphur although has 10% higher NOx emmissions. BD typically has three times great lubricity than petro diesel depending on the ingredients used to produce it.
I to have a Jeep Liberty CRD and am very pleased with it, I assess that there will be several new diesel engines coming to North America in many different vehicles over the next 5-10 years or so. As far as fuel goes, I prefer to run a 5% blend as I don't want to void my warranty and my Jeep actually runs better on that blend compared to higher or lower blends. |
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| Major Player |
| For having a lot of soybeans in our area, I don't believe any of our co-ops which is Farmland/Cenex; and other tank wagon services offer a biodiesel blend. Tractors are still allowed to run the high sulphur/ non -taxed blend. With high fuel prices I don't think there was a lot of demand for it, but if it is cheaper than regular diesel you can bet farmers will run it expecially on their trucks. |
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| kmoore |
We sellbio-diesel at our Pacific Pride. It is less expensive when diesel prices are high. Here is a report from consumer reports.
Consumer Reports Tests Current Impact of E-85
September 5, 2006
YONKERS, N.Y. – A special report on E-85 featured in the October issue of Consumer Reports highlights results of tests and an investigation conducted by the magazine’s research team.
According to a press release, Consumer Reports found that E-85 fuel “will cost consumers more money than gasoline and that there are concerns about whether the government’s support of flexible fuel vehicles is really helping the U.S. achieve energy independence.”
Findings from Consumer Reports reveal:
E-85 emits less smog-producing pollutants than gasoline, but provides fewer miles per gallon, costs more, and is “hard to find outside the Midwest”
Government support for flexible-fuel vehicles that can operate with either E-85 or gasoline “is indirectly causing more gasoline consumption rather than less”
Blended with gasoline, ethanol has the potential “to fill a significant minority of future U.S. transportation fuel needs
To learn more about how E-85 “stacks up” against gasoline, Consumer Reports put a 2007 Chevrolet Tahoe Flexible-Fuel Vehicle (FFV) through a series of fuel economy, acceleration and emissions tests.
Findings reveal that overall fuel economy dropped from 14 miles per gallon (mpg) using gasoline to 10 mpg using E-85. In highway driving, gasoline mileage fell from 21 mpg to 15 mpg; in city driving gasoline mileage dropped from 9 mpg to 7 mpg.
“You could expect a similar decrease in gas mileage in any current flex fuel vehicle because ethanol has a lower energy content than gasoline -- 75,670 British thermal units (BTUs) per gallon instead of 115,400 for gasoline, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. As a result, you have to burn more fuel to generate the same amount of energy,” notes the release.
Calculating the Tahoe’s driving range, Consumer Reports found that it was reduced to about 300 miles on a full tank of E-85 compared to about 440 miles on a full tank of gasoline. “So, motorists using E-85 would have to fill up more often,” notes the release.
Consumer Reports also notes that most drivers have no access to E-85 because it is primarily sold in the Midwest, where most of the ethanol supply is produced, noting that there are about 800 retail locations out of 176,000 nationwide that sell E-85 to the public.
Furthermore, from an “alternative-energy perspective,” Consumer Reports notes that it does not matter whether ethanol is blended as E-85 or E-10 because a “given amount of ethanol still goes just as far in reducing demand for gasoline.” The report notes that scientists are working to produce cellulose ethanol, which could increase U.S. ethanol capacity by as much as 45 billion gallons.
In conclusion, Consumer Reports not that the “important backdrop to the ethanol debate” is that petroleum resources are rapidly depleting. Therefore, government scientists are “planning for a day when world oil production peaks and begins to slow,” which means the U.S. “must begin planning for alternatives 20 years before that peak.” |
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| Stickman |
E-85 is ethanol and has nothing to do with biodiesel.
Ethanol is a scam perpetrated by the oil and car industry to maintain a stranglehold on the energy market.
Biodiesel is a safe, clean easy to produce fuel that would take the monopoly away from the oil industry and members of the administration who profit from it.
Ethanol sucks. No torque, less gas mileage, and you're still dependent on the fat cats. |
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