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| Ass Boil |
I'm sure you "free market" idiots are perfectly happy with our troops having to buy vests and holsters on the internet.... They get the war they refuse to fight in and the soldiers can support the economy by buying their own equipment.....
Sickening. |
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| SaintJimmy |
I wouldn't expect a lot of traffic here, AB.
The right doesn't like to talk about how we went to war with the army we had, and not the one we wanted.
They don't like to talk about how private contractors are making 10 times what the average soldier earns over there.
They don't like to talk about how the party who "supports the troops" is also the one that hamstrings them at almost every opportunity.
They don't like talking about the reasons we're there, or the prerequisites for victory, or the estimated time of withdrawal, or the overwhelmingly negative effects of our occupation.
They don't like talking about any of that shit. |
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| Ass Boil |
Right you are.
It was also a test to see if any of these scumbags listen to the show.... |
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| Jackie's Career |
Quote: Originally posted by SaintJimmy
They don't like talking about the reasons we're there, or the prerequisites for victory, or the estimated time of withdrawal, or the overwhelmingly negative effects of our occupation. |
Ok, I'm game. Let's talk about the prerequisites for victory, as you see them. This should be good. |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
I'm sure you "free market" idiots are perfectly happy with our troops having to buy vests and holsters on the internet.... They get the war they refuse to fight in and the soldiers can support the economy by buying their own equipment.....
Sickening. |
I HEAR THE SHOW BUT I AM ALWAYS A DAY BEHIND...RADIO SHARK ...WHOS JP ? |
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| FatesWebb |
I heard that report today, it was sad. the lady was like, the troops are calling and buying vests and holsters with thier own personal credit cards.
and then they discussed how to fix your holster with a zip tie, and how some troops put thier handgun into thier pants without a holster.
FUCK YOU BUSH AND CHENEY YOU FUCKING WAR PROFITEERING MOTHER FUCKERS
WHY NO HALLIBURTON (NO-BID) CONTRACTS FOR BODY ARMOR, AND HOLSTERS OR EVEN ZIP TIES YOU FUCKING LOSERS!!! |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by FatesWebb
I heard that report today, it was sad. the lady was like, the troops are calling and buying vests and holsters with thier own personal credit cards.
and then they discussed how to fix your holster with a zip tie, and how some troops put thier handgun into thier pants without a holster.
FUCK YOU BUSH AND CHENEY YOU FUCKING WAR PROFITEERING MOTHER FUCKERS
WHY NO HALLIBURTON (NO-BID) CONTRACTS FOR BODY ARMOR, AND HOLSTERS OR EVEN ZIP TIES YOU FUCKING LOSERS!!! |
WELL ...if that lady said it must be true..soldiers calling from iraq with their credit cards..thats totally believable |
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| acefree |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
I HEAR THE SHOW BUT I AM ALWAYS A DAY BEHIND...RADIO SHARK ...WHOS JP ? |
why are u a day behind?? |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by acefree
why are u a day behind?? |
i savethe shows so i don't miss a word ..and listen commercial free..i record the show in mp3 format using radio shark and then flash drive it to work |
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| FatesWebb |
| then you havent heard the lady yet, and you have no reason to not believe her, howard news checked out her credentials for one. |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
I HEAR THE SHOW BUT I AM ALWAYS A DAY BEHIND...RADIO SHARK ...WHOS JP ? |
JP works at a company who sells security equipment over the internet. She called in to say that 25% of their business is US troops purchasing vests and holsters with their personal credit cards.
Now go ahead and tell us how it is their fault for joining the military. |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by FatesWebb
then you havent heard the lady yet, and you have no reason to not believe her, howard news checked out her credentials for one. |
i am actually giving you more credit...you always have solid posts whether i agree or not...here you have furnished no other info except that it was a lady...so i figure there is no other info otherwise you would have included it ..am i right ? |
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| SaintJimmy |
Quote: Originally posted by Jackies Career
Ok, I'm game. Let's talk about the prerequisites for victory, as you see them. This should be good. |
I've had one.
From day one.
The capture and trial of Osama Bin Laden.
All the rest of this bullshit is just that: bullshit.
The war on terror is bullshit.
The DHS is bullshit.
The PA is bullshit.
The occupation of Iraq is bullshit. |
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| Jackie's Career |
| It's so silly. The same people who pretend to care about the quality of troop equipment today are also the ones who cheered for John Kerry, etc. when they voted against the 87 billion. Politics as usual. |
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| Jackie's Career |
Quote: Originally posted by SaintJimmy
I've had one.
From day one.
The capture and trial of Osama Bin Laden.
All the rest of this bullshit is just that: bullshit.
The war on terror is bullshit.
The DHS is bullshit.
The PA is bullshit.
The occupation of Iraq is bullshit. |
Okay, so then you're prerequisite for victory in Iraq is the capture of Osama bin Laden who you would normally argue has nothing at all do with Iraq? Am I hearing you loud and clear? And your other prerequisite for victory is that the war on terror is bullshit, dhs is bullshit, PA is bullshit and the occupation is bullshit? Sounds like a solid plan. |
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| SaintJimmy |
Quote: Originally posted by Jackies Career
Okay, so then you're prerequisite for victory in Iraq is the capture of Osama bin Laden who you would normally argue has nothing at all do with Iraq? Am I hearing you loud and clear? And your other prerequisite for victory is that the war on terror is bullshit, dhs is bullshit, PA is bullshit and the occupation is bullshit? Sounds like a solid plan. |
Listen carefully.
The term "victory" implies that we are in a war. WE ARE NOT.
In Iraq, we are engaging in what's called an "occupation". There is no "victory" to be had there. Ask the crusaders.
In Afghanistan, we are engaged in a police action. Again, no war. "Victory" is possible there however, if we find and capture OBL.
Don't hold your breath. I won't hold mine.
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| angrychink |
that and the unknown reason why the repukes continue to believe this can be won militarily
it can't
fucking stupid ass chickenhawk warmongers think guns can solve everything |
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| acefree |
Quote: Originally posted by Jackies Career
It's so silly. The same people who pretend to care about the quality of troop equipment today are also the ones who cheered for John Kerry, etc. when they voted against the 87 billion. Politics as usual. |
think before u post. i dont think u understand how the senate works. kerry wanted the 87 blllion to be a loan and repayed with future iraqi oil money, as apposed to having US tax payers give welfare to iraqis. that it not a liberal position.
he also wanted all the funds to be accounted for, meaning what is spent and where. that also is not a liberal position. and most senators, even republicans admit now billions were wasted and other billions we dont even know where it went.
most republicans, at the time said they would vote against a bill with those 2 stipulations, and wold not let that bill move forwarrd, therefore technically the repubicans voted against funding for the troops also.
im sure u are honest and believe what u feel is right , but u are ignorant to many things as evident in most of your posts. |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
that and the unknown reason why the repukes continue to believe this can be won militarily
it can't
fucking stupid ass chickenhawk warmongers think guns can solve everything |
no, we just need more guns ...about 300 thousand more |
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| angrychink |
see, therein lies the fucking stupidity of your thinking
you ARE a bush/kristol ass licker aren't you? at least, be proud of it |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
see, therein lies the fucking stupidity of your thinking
you ARE a bush/kristol ass licker aren't you? at least, be proud of it |
lol |
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| Halcyon |
The fact that Bush flew Bin Laden's family out of the country the day of 9/11
The fact that Bush went straight for Iraq instead of looking for OBL
The fact that Bush sent our soldiers without the proper equipment, forcing their families to buy them
The fact that Bush has been building permanent military structures IN Iraq
The fact that Bush tried to support Bechtel with blood money, and Bechtel refused and left
The fact that Bush uses no-bid contract Companies that are friendly with his Dad and him
The fact that Bush borrowed trillions from China with no intention of paying it back
Anyone seeing a pattern? Anyone starting to understand that this was NEVER a war on Terror? This was a bullshit excuse for a personal reason of Bush's. You may not believe it was for oil, you may not believe it was to please his Dad, you may not believe it is to create an economy for no-bid contract companies that are friends with him and his Dad, you may not believe it was meant to have no plan so that we had no reason to leave so his no-bid contract company friends could stay there forever and make money.
But you gotta believe that Bush lied to everyone about his TRUE intentions for starting this war... and it wasn't because of Terrorism or WMDs or Al Qaeda. The guy is a liar, and the people who blindly support him without ever questioning him like some people on here are also liars. Plain and simple. |
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| angrychink |
sup hal
happy new year
i'd have to slightly disagree with your timeline
afghanistan, bush HAD america (and the world) 100% behind him
his huge fuckup is when he did decide to go to iraq...he did not go STRAIGHT to iraq
but, you know well, that iraq was on the agenda, no matter how much these lying motherfuckers deny that |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
sup hal
happy new year
i'd have to slightly disagree with your timeline
afghanistan, bush HAD america (and the world) 100% behind him
his huge fuckup is when he did decide to go to iraq...he did not go STRAIGHT to iraq
but, you know well, that iraq was on the agenda, no matter how much these lying motherfuckers deny that |
he didn't have 100 % of the world behind him for afganistan...kucinich and sanders wasn't behind bush on afganistan...why you make shit up at the time |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
sup hal
happy new year
i'd have to slightly disagree with your timeline
afghanistan, bush HAD america (and the world) 100% behind him
his huge fuckup is when he did decide to go to iraq...he did not go STRAIGHT to iraq
but, you know well, that iraq was on the agenda, no matter how much these lying motherfuckers deny that |
Where did we GO first? Did we ship troops to Afghanistan the minute 9/11 happened or were they already there? Did Bush say: "I'm going to Afghanistan, and I'm getting Bin Laden"?
I don't remember those... I vividly remember watching 9/11 on the news that day in absolute fucking HORROR! I remember watching the second tower collapse and while feeling every hair on my entire body stand on end, thinking to myself "I'm watching history unfold right before my eyes" and "This will probably be the biggest tragedy in my lifetime". After all that, I felt extreme anger... Anger I hadn't felt since some dude punched me on the Basketball court in Junior High School. I'm talking about absolute rage.... I felt rage towards whoever had done it.
And then I remember Bush saying, (and it seems like it was that next week), 'We know it's OBL, we are definately going to get him, he's ours. Now let's go to Iraq and get Saddam!'
I nearly fell out of my chair, I am still so fucking angry at OBL. I want his fucking head. Instead we got Saddam, who in my opinion was doing more good being in Iraq and keeping the terrorist factions at bay than he was a threat to freedom here in the US. I was so angry when Bush said he was going to go get Saddam, and I felt immediately it was a fucking plot.
EDIT: OH yeah! Happy New Year AC! :) |
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| DUDE-HERE |
[QUOTE=Halcyon][B]The fact that Bush flew Bin Laden's family out of the country the day of 9/11
The fact that Bush went straight for Iraq instead of looking for OBL
(NO He didn't iraq was years later) AND HAD APPROVAL FROM DEMS
The fact that Bush sent our soldiers without the proper equipment, forcing their families to buy them
(i have heard this but never seen it)
The fact that Bush has been building permanent military structures IN Iraq
( you mean like the bases we have in korea and europe)
The fact that Bush tried to support Bechtel with blood money, and Bechtel refused and left
The fact that Bush uses no-bid contract Companies that are friendly with his Dad and him
( clinton used them in somalya and kosivo..thats ok ..he is clinton )
The fact that Bush borrowed trillions from China with no intention of paying it back
( HOW do u know what his intensions are )
WOW..NOW THATS WHAT I CALL NON-PARTISAN |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
Where did we GO first? Did we ship troops to Afghanistan the minute 9/11 happened or were they already there? Did Bush say: "I'm going to Afghanistan, and I'm getting Bin Laden"?
I don't remember those... I vividly remember watching 9/11 on the news that day in absolute fucking HORROR! I remember watching the second tower collapse and while feeling every hair on my entire body stand on end, thinking to myself "I'm watching history unfold right before my eyes" and "This will probably be the biggest tragedy in my lifetime". After all that, I felt extreme anger... Anger I hadn't felt since some dude punched me on the Basketball court in Junior High School. I'm talking about absolute rage.... I felt rage towards whoever had done it.
And then I remember Bush saying, (and it seems like it was that next week), 'We know it's OBL, we are definately going to get him, he's ours. Now let's go to Iraq and get Saddam!'
I nearly fell out of my chair, I am still so fucking angry at OBL. I want his fucking head. Instead we got Saddam, who in my opinion was doing more good being in Iraq and keeping the terrorist factions at bay than he was a threat to freedom here in the US. I was so angry when Bush said he was going to go get Saddam, and I felt immediately it was a fucking plot.
EDIT: OH yeah! Happy New Year AC! :) |
NO, THEY WERE ALREADY THERE...CAN U LEAVE OUT YOUR BASELESS EMOTIONAL RANTS |
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| angrychink |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
he didn't have 100 % of the world behind him for afganistan...kucinich and sanders wasn't behind bush on afganistan...why you make shit up at the time |
make up shit?
you got the balls to say something like...'make up shit' ?
FUCK YOU |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
[QUOTE=Halcyon][B]The fact that Bush flew Bin Laden's family out of the country the day of 9/11
The fact that Bush went straight for Iraq instead of looking for OBL
(NO He didn't iraq was years later) AND HAD APPROVAL FROM DEMS
The fact that Bush sent our soldiers without the proper equipment, forcing their families to buy them
(i have heard this but never seen it)
The fact that Bush has been building permanent military structures IN Iraq
( you mean like the bases we have in korea and europe)
The fact that Bush tried to support Bechtel with blood money, and Bechtel refused and left
The fact that Bush uses no-bid contract Companies that are friendly with his Dad and him
( clinton used them in somalya and kosivo..thats ok ..he is clinton )
The fact that Bush borrowed trillions from China with no intention of paying it back
( HOW do u know what his intensions are )
WOW..NOW THATS WHAT I CALL NON-PARTISAN |
I spent 10 minutes typing the fact you missed the whole point of the post, and what it really meant and why is it you can't understand it...... and then realized you're a complete moron who will NEVER catch on even when the truth is presented to you in such a way that it cannot be ignored. I'm not partisan, but I have a definite opinion, I'm sorry it isn't the opinion you like. Fuck off. :fu: |
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| Jackie's Career |
Quote: Originally posted by SaintJimmy
In Iraq, we are engaging in what's called an "occupation". There is no "victory" to be had there. Ask the crusaders.
In Afghanistan, we are engaged in a police action. Again, no war. "Victory" is possible there however, if we find and capture OBL. |
Then why did you say the right doesn't want to talk to about the "prerequisites for victory"? Now you're saying victory isn't possible anyway. It's obvious that you just want to bitch about "the right" because you aren't putting much thought into what the you're actually saying. |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
make up shit?
you got the balls to say something like...'make up shit' ?
FUCK YOU |
thats right..how can u say 100 % of the world was behind bush on afganistan when kucinich was not !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you don't have balls |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
I spent 10 minutes typing the fact you missed the whole point of the post, and what it really meant and why is it you can't understand it...... and then realized you're a complete moron who will NEVER catch on even when the truth is presented to you in such a way that it cannot be ignored. I'm not partisan, but I have a definite opinion, I'm sorry it isn't the opinion you like. Fuck off. :fu: |
awwweeeeeeeeeeeeee
10 mins i'm sorry i disagreed
you fucking baby |
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| atomizer |
Quote: Originally posted by Jackies Career
It's so silly. The same people who pretend to care about the quality of troop equipment today are also the ones who cheered for John Kerry, etc. when they voted against the 87 billion. Politics as usual. |
Who are the 'they' who voted against 'the 87 Billion'? Which 87 billion vote? There have been and will be more '87 billion' votes. What's Kerry's record on that after all? Who fucking cares?!! Is that jag the face you conveniently paint on anyone who doesn't suckle the Cheneyview? He suckled the Cheneyview, hence the loss. John Kerry?! That train's left the shore, guy.
What you need to start doing is rhyming Obama with Osama. It will work. Play to the simpleto..., err, base, and you're on for eight more years, world-builder!
I care about our troops, as they are my family. Paypal-ing them for supplies is commonplace. You might want to look in to that. It ain't my politics, JC, it's just things. Please know that your comments hurt those of us who are dealing with this nightmare on a personal level. |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
thats right..how can u say 100 % of the world was behind bush on afganistan when kucinich was not !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you don't have balls |
Wow... with logic like this... it's no wonder the Bush Administration is gasping for air.... You got DUDE-HERE and NCMike06 grasping at straws...... To the point of debating the semantics of 100% of the people. Even though we all know what is really the point of the post. This is strawman at it's finest.
Smell that guys? It's desperation, and NCMike06 and DUDE-HERE are fucking ripe with it..... |
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| angrychink |
hal did you see that bill kristol vid i posted?
ncmike and dude...have GOT to have that stupid fucking attitude that kristol displays in that tape
it's astonishing |
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| Jackie's Career |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
And then I remember Bush saying, (and it seems like it was that next week), 'We know it's OBL, we are definately going to get him, he's ours. Now let's go to Iraq and get Saddam!'
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Your memory is incorrect then. It's not all your fault though, the Democrats' rhetoric and media's lazy repetition of it have done plenty to obscure the timeline in the minds of many Americans. But no, in reality we went to Afghanistan in 2001. Iraq didn't come until 2003. |
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| angrychink |
no, the real version of events is
"wrong answer, now, bring me something on iraq"
~ dumbya bush
remember?
then, you had people saying that "iraq had nothing to do with 9/11"
remember? |
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| atomizer |
| Just so I'm clear here, My family (not me) pays money to a war contractor that solicited them for cash in order to 'properly outfit' our troops. I wouldn't mind seeing this looked in to. Does their cash go yo my brother/cousins? Not so sure. |
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| Jackie's Career |
Quote: Originally posted by atomizer
Who are the 'they' who voted against 'the 87 Billion'? Which 87 billion vote? There have been and will be more '87 billion' votes. What's Kerry's record on that after all? |
There were only 12 senators who voted against the 87 billion appropriation bill, IIRC. You can easily Google it if you actually care. I mention Kerry because he is obviously the most notable thanks to his "i was for it before i was against it" gaffe. My point was about hypocrisy not John Kerry or the other 11 senators personally. Because it's the same people who pretend to care about the quality of equipment today who were cheering on that protest vote a couple of years back. It's typical political hypocrisy. Both sides do it.
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I care about our troops, as they are my family. Paypal-ing them for supplies is commonplace. You might want to look in to that. It ain't my politics, JC, it's just things. Please know that your comments hurt those of us who are dealing with this nightmare on a personal level. |
My nephew is in Iraq right now for his second tour. It was sad because we didnt get to see on Christmas or Thanksgiving, etc. like we are used to. I dont know about your family members, but mine supports his mission and believes he is making a positive difference. I support him. |
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| acefree |
Quote: Originally posted by Jackies Career
There were only 12 senators who voted against the 87 billion appropriation bill, IIRC. You can easily Google it if you actually care. I mention Kerry because he is obviously the most notable thanks to his "i was for it before i was against it" gaffe. My point was about hypocrisy not John Kerry or the other 11 senators personally. Because it's the same people who pretend to care about the quality of equipment today who were cheering on that protest vote a couple of years back. It's typical political hypocrisy. Both sides do it. |
its not a gaffe at all, thats whats happened. and most republicans voted AGAINST it before the voted for it. but no one says they flipped flopped, cause no one did. thats how congress works. it was only a slogan rove made up for the 04 campainge to fool dumb ppl. there are many versions of bills voted for and againstby the same ppl, until the final version passes. i explained in an earlier post. why dont u read it and directly reply to it. |
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| angrychink |
because when repukes realize they've been used a sheep - just spreading yet MORE bullshit propaganda
they just start flailing |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
Wow... with logic like this... it's no wonder the Bush Administration is gasping for air.... You got DUDE-HERE and NCMike06 grasping at straws...... To the point of debating the semantics of 100% of the people. Even though we all know what is really the point of the post. This is strawman at it's finest.
Smell that guys? It's desperation, and NCMike06 and DUDE-HERE are fucking ripe with it..... |
yea semantics like 100 % ....ok..maybe you will give me libertys on this 100 %
liberals are 100 % gay
are you gonna argue semantics now ? |
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| Robinsmuff |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
Smell that guys? It's desperation, and NCMike06 and DUDE-HERE are fucking ripe with it..... |
NCMike is desperate; Dude is just retarded. |
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| SaintJimmy |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
yea semantics like 100 % ....ok..maybe you will give me libertys on this 100 %
liberals are 100 % gay
are you gonna argue semantics now ? |
D-U-M-B
D-U-M-B
D-U-M-B |
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| angrychink |
yeah, semantics
dude is just retarded
(but, give it a break, it's probably high as fuck) |
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| acefree |
| dude u voted for clinton. u are a liberal. |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
yea semantics like 100 % ....ok..maybe you will give me libertys on this 100 %
liberals are 100 % gay
are you gonna argue semantics now ? |
No, because it's an opinion and I could care less if you think the 'libbys' are 100% gay.
And anyway, I knew what the point of the post is... but as usual since you can't debate the real reasons, you have to strawman semantics.
Go back to your hole DUDE-HERE... your rhetoric is as old and tired as NCMike06's |
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| Robinsmuff |
Quote: Originally posted by acefree
its not a gaffe at all, thats whats happened. and most republicans voted AGAINST it before the voted for it. but no one says they flipped flopped, cause no one did. thats how congress works. it was only a slogan rove made up for the 04 campainge to fool dumb ppl. there are many versions of bills voted for and againstby the same ppl, until the final version passes. i explained in an earlier post. why dont u read it and directly reply to it. |
He doesn’t reply because he doesn’t understand the issue. He states that it is politics as usual, which is true, but he doesn’t understand why that is so. Simple minds like his accept that version of truth that he right wing media machine fills his head with & he never looks at the deeper truth.
The fact is the GOP also attached a number of generous earmarks to this bill that would have enriched corps with close ties to the GOP. They arrogantly did so despite the fact they realized this could lesson the chance that the bill passed. If they were so concerned with simply funding the troops & providing them with all the tools needed why didn’t they limit the bill to just that issue? They knew all along that despite all of the add-ons & other controversial aspects of this bill they would be able to paint anyone who voted against it as being against the troops. They knew the public would swallow this rhetoric because the average American is as well informed as “Jackie’s Career” & has his head so far up his ass that they won’t see the truth. Instead they will simply regurgitate whatever bullshit Rove feeds them. Yes JC, it is politics as usual, to bad you don’t have a clue why that |
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| atomizer |
I support my family, too. I get upset when I see posts on here from people who should know better. John Kerry was a waste of our time. He was the Dole that the Republicans Junior spat-up to lose this go-round. Painting those of us who support our people yet hate the people who lied to get them where they're at (not grammar, calm down) is so fucked-up, esp. when we're all in the same boat. It'd be nice if more of you took out your weird animosity on the people who caused this (Saudis, anyone?), than on the people who've questioned this action from the get-go.
We had the answqers then, and they've stood the test of four years time at least. This war is wrong, but we've pulled Saddam down, so let's just get the fuck out and leave it. As it stands it'll never end. |
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| harley-davidson |
Quote: yea semantics like 100 % ....ok..maybe you will give me libertys on this 100 %
liberals are 100 % gay
are you gonna argue semantics now ? |
Our military has been fighting for,and without the right equipment,for over 3 fucking years, idiot,I don't consider that semantics's I know J P isn't feeding us a bunch of shit ,because 60 minutes did a story on this same issue about a year ago,and under this fucking chimp BUSH,not one fucking thing has changed to correct it....PATHETIC |
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| atomizer |
Quote: Originally posted by harley-davidson
Our military has been fighting for,and without the right equipment,for over 3 fucking years, idiot,I don't consider that semantics's I know J P isn't feeding us a bunch of shit ,because 60 minutes did a story on this same issue about a year ago,and under this fucking chimp BUSH,not one fucking thing has changed to correct it....PATHETIC |
Cheers, Harley.
No one's going to tell me these receipts my people have are bogus. Does it go where it must? I dunno!! KBR would have a facile answer. It's all circling around Bechtel's front office Christmas Party, probably. How many kids in Iraq died today? |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by Jackies Career
It's so silly. The same people who pretend to care about the quality of troop equipment today are also the ones who cheered for John Kerry, etc. when they voted against the 87 billion. Politics as usual. |
Because they did the right thing by voting against that bill.
If you remember, there were 2 bills. The first, co-sponsored by Kerry, provided the funding and required a suspension of the tax cuts for the top tax bracket. George BUSH threatened to veto that bill, putting his wealthy friends ahead of our troops.
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In fact, Kerry voted against the $87 billion appropriations bill on October 17, 2003 -- the day after he clearly stated that his vote would not be a vote against funding American troops' efforts in Iraq, but instead would be a vote "to hold the president accountable and force him finally to develop a real plan that secures the safety of our troops and stabilizes Iraq." In addition, Daily Howler editor Bob Somerby has noted: "Six days after Kerry voted 'no' -- rejecting a form of the bill he disfavored -- [President George W.] Bush said he would veto the bill if it included provisions which he didn't like."
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408180002 |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by atomizer
Cheers, Harley.
No one's going to tell me these receipts my people have are bogus. Does it go where it must? I dunno!! KBR would have a facile answer. It's all circling around Bechtel's front office Christmas Party, probably. How many kids in Iraq died today? |
Watch what you say about Bechtel.... No doubt their in business for making a profit where they can but they opted to pull out of a juicy government contract in Iraq for two reasons:
a) They were tired of the things they were building being blown up
b) Their employees (and their one of the only American companies I heard of in Iraq who did this), who were largely Iraqi citizens over there were being blown up in the explosions. And they didn't want that blood besmirching their company name
No offense, but this shows a lot more integrity than I expect from any Company, and especially ones employed by Bush for this Faux War on Terror! |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by acefree
dude u voted for clinton. u are a liberal. |
yea a long time ago |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
Because they did the right thing by voting against that bill.
If you remember, there were 2 bills. The first, co-sponsored by Kerry, provided the funding and required a suspension of the tax cuts for the top tax bracket. George BUSH threatened to veto that bill, putting his wealthy friends ahead of our troops. |
his wealthy friends ..thats funny...i get a picture in my mind of only his closest buddies getting tax cuts...good job..make it personal ..seems so much more insidious that way |
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| angrychink |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
yea a long time ago |
makes you the hypocrite flip flopper then, doesn't it? |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
JP works at a company who sells security equipment over the internet. She called in to say that 25% of their business is US troops purchasing vests and holsters with their personal credit cards.
Now go ahead and tell us how it is their fault for joining the military. |
your right ..and now dems wanna pull all funding for it any of it
who cares about the millions of iraquies who will be slaughtered when we leave like what happened in cambodia 3 mill killed when we left nam...ya see leftys don't give a rats ass about humans..they only care about themselves |
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| angrychink |
| if only that stupid ignorant motherfucker bush had thought of it before he singlehandedly decided to invade.... |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
makes you the hypocrite flip flopper then, doesn't it? |
why compare me to limp dick john kerry |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
if only that stupid ignorant motherfucker bush had thought of it before he singlehandedly decided to invade.... |
dems voted for action as well...and after years of the last admin telling us saddam was a threat ..what did you expect to happen |
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| angrychink |
see, again your stupid fucking stoned republican ignorance
they DID NOT have the same info
and it's plain to see how fucking brainwashed you are
try reading, stop getting stoned |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
see, again your stupid fucking stoned republican ignorance
they DID NOT have the same info
and it's plain to see how fucking brainwashed you are
try reading, stop getting stoned |
so bush conned the world ? |
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| angrychink |
| are you finally coming out of your coma? |
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| angrychink |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
so bush conned the world ? |
what
are you finally going to fucking acknowledge
that the senate and house DID NOT have the same intel
or are you gonna keep to that line of insane republican bullshit? |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
what
are you finally going to fucking acknowledge
that the senate and house DID NOT have the same intel
or are you gonna keep to that line of insane republican bullshit? |
no, but i thought bush was stupid..how could he conn all these smart liberals
funny
that would be the info sandy berger stole would it |
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| angrychink |
no asshole
he lied
it's not that the liberals are smart
it's that they trusted dumbya |
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| acefree |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
no asshole
he lied
it's not that the liberals are smart
it's that they trusted dumbya |
hes just fucking with u |
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| angrychink |
just fun getting him to admit bush lied
hella fun |
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| Jackie's Career |
Quote: Originally posted by acefree
it was only a slogan rove made up for the 04 campainge to fool dumb ppl. |
Rove didn't make it up. Kerry actually said it. But again, you're missing the point. This isnt about Kerry. This is about people who cheered on his protest vote while pretending today to care for their safety and lack of equipment.
| Quote: [b]why dont u read it and directly reply to it. |
Sorry I missed it. What was your point? |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
just fun getting him to admit bush lied
hella fun |
Hella? You must be from California.... that's such Californian term..... |
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| Jackie's Career |
| So Bush lied about the WMD but Clinton didnt? LMAO |
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| Jackie's Career |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
Hella? You must be from California.... that's such Californian term..... |
Or Pinoy |
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| Billyfromsphily |
| HMMMMMMMMMMM, No MIKEY to spread more lies. |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by Jackies Career
So Bush lied about the WMD but Clinton didnt? LMAO |
You are forgetting that BUSH had inspectors on the ground. Inspectors who complained about the shitty goddamned intel about WMD coming from an administration who claimed to "know" where these supposed weapons were. And in his last speech to the UN, Blix said they were making progress and requested more time to finish the job. BUSH kicked them out. |
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| Robinsmuff |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
so bush conned the world ? |
He didn't con the world. He intimidated fellow Americans with the threat of attacking their patriotism which many stupid people like yourself would swallow hook line & sinker. His people cherry picked evidence & only provided that which supported their agenda to the public, thus enabling them to easier lead butt fuck stupid people like you along. When ever anyone like weapons inspector Scott Ritter pulbicly doubted their evidence they painted them as a traitor thus ensuring fucking morons like you would discount what they said.
As far as the rest of the world well you dumb piece of shit, they for the most part were not conned. They didn't buy his bullshit or support our war!!! Those who did, did so for financial & favors exclusively, except for Britan whose leader is as dumb as ours.
I don't mind that you are an idiot, I mind that you think you are smart. |
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| Jack Shit |
Quote: Originally posted by SaintJimmy
I wouldn't expect a lot of traffic here, AB.
The right doesn't like to talk about how we went to war with the army we had, and not the one we wanted.
They don't like to talk about how private contractors are making 10 times what the average soldier earns over there.
They don't like to talk about how the party who "supports the troops" is also the one that hamstrings them at almost every opportunity.
They don't like talking about the reasons we're there, or the prerequisites for victory, or the estimated time of withdrawal, or the overwhelmingly negative effects of our occupation.
They don't like talking about any of that shit. |
Obviously, you are an America-hating liberal who hates America. :fuckyou: :mad: |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by Robinsmuff
He didn't con the world. He intimidated fellow Americans with the threat of attacking their patriotism which many stupid people like yourself would swallow hook line & sinker. His people cherry picked evidence & only provided that which supported their agenda to the public, thus enabling them to easier lead butt fuck stupid people like you along. When ever anyone like weapons inspector Scott Ritter pulbicly doubted their evidence they painted them as a traitor thus ensuring fucking morons like you would discount what they said.
As far as the rest of the world well you dumb piece of shit, they for the most part were not conned. They didn't buy his bullshit or support our war!!! Those who did, did so for financial & favors exclusively, except for Britan whose leader is as dumb as ours.
I don't mind that you are an idiot, I mind that you think you are smart. |
I mind that he tries to con others into thinking he's smart.... funny how no one is buying it. Polititees.com got the hint and ran from this forum.... I wonder how long it will take douche-here |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Quote: Originally posted by Jack Shit
Obviously, you are an America-hating liberal who hates America. :fuckyou: :mad: |
So caring for the troops over the contractors is unpatriotic?
Howq idiotic are you? |
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| harley-davidson |
| Quote: As far as the rest of the world well you dumb piece of shit, they for the most part were not conned. They didn't buy his bullshit or support our war!!! Those who did, did so for financial & favors exclusively, except for Britan whose leader is as dumb as ours. |
And lets not forget,bush was trying to drum up support through the united nations for this fuck up,which he didn't get,then we as Americans get the "we'll go it alone" speech from BUSH,after he was advised agianst an invasion,even from some of our experts here,but he knew better then anybody else talking that invasion was the only answer....worked out real well huh ?.....and also he listened then about as good as he listens now....right? |
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| Billyfromsphily |
| Its the classic son vs father contest and Junior is and idiot trying to show up his father who knew how to run a country. |
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| acefree |
Quote: Originally posted by Jack Shit
Obviously, you are an America-hating liberal who hates America. :fuckyou: :mad: |
whats is a liberal? |
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| Robinsmuff |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
So caring for the troops over the contractors is unpatriotic?
Howq idiotic are you? |
Calm down guys. Jack is one of the most articulate & well read posters on this board. This is his standard response as a way of showing how inane the argument that anyone who questions our leaders must not be patriotic is. Pure sarcasm.
Jack also deserves all time status at SFN for challenging MA to full financial disclosure only to have MA for the 2nd time run away from a direct challenge. |
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| acefree |
Quote: Originally posted by Robinsmuff
Calm down guys. Jack is one of the most articulate & well read posters on this board. This is his standard response as a way of showing how inane the argument that anyone who questions our leaders must not be patriotic is. Pure sarcasm.
Jack also deserves all time status at SFN for challenging MA to full financial disclosure only to have MA for the 2nd time run away from a direct challenge. |
whos MA? and jack doesnt act dumb enough |
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| SaintJimmy |
Quote: Originally posted by Jackies Career
Then why did you say the right doesn't want to talk to about the "prerequisites for victory"? Now you're saying victory isn't possible anyway. It's obvious that you just want to bitch about "the right" because you aren't putting much thought into what the you're actually saying. |
No, it's you who isn't putting much thought into what I'm saying.
My original point that you apparently missed was this:
When you support military action of any sort, you have a duty to the people who are bravely fighting for you.
You know what that duty is?
A small part of that duty is to:
#1. Use them ONLY when absolutely necessary.
#2. Properly equip them.
I believe THAT'S the point of this thread. The FACT that the administration that you support is not properly equipping the troops that you CLAIM to give a fuck about.
If you're going to use them as pre-emptive hitmen, the LEAST you can do is give them decent fucking equipment, and while we're at it, how about a clear objective?
You know, the "prerequisite of victory" that you chomped on like a pitbull, completely ignoring all the rest?
You never told me what your idea is.
*insert Rovian Talking Point Here*
There is one thing that you absolutely CAN'T argue, no matter how much you may want to, and that is this:
IF THIS WAR HAD BEEN PRESENTED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AS WHAT IT REALLY IS, INSTEAD OF "THEY GOT NUKES!!!!", WE WOULD NOT BE THERE.
THIS WAR WAS SOLD LIKE A SHITTY PIECE OF SWAMPLAND, WITH MARKETING TACTICS THAT WOULD MAKE A WHORE BLUSH.
The funny thing is, you're still buying it. :rolleyes: |
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| SaintJimmy |
Quote: Originally posted by Robinsmuff
Calm down guys. Jack is one of the most articulate & well read posters on this board. This is his standard response as a way of showing how inane the argument that anyone who questions our leaders must not be patriotic is. Pure sarcasm.
Jack also deserves all time status at SFN for challenging MA to full financial disclosure only to have MA for the 2nd time run away from a direct challenge. |
I'm a fan of Jack's as well. :) |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
no asshole
he lied
it's not that the liberals are smart
it's that they trusted dumbya |
he didn't lie or hide info..what info did he hide ? |
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| FatesWebb |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
i am actually giving you more credit...you always have solid posts whether i agree or not...here you have furnished no other info except that it was a lady...so i figure there is no other info otherwise you would have included it ..am i right ? |
I didnt post it AB did, and still it is from the stern show. so once you listen to the show you will understand. |
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| FatesWebb |
| where did the $87B go? sure as fuck didnt go for zip ties to hold the pistols on the soldiers.. |
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| nunpuncher |
Quote: Originally posted by FatesWebb
then you havent heard the lady yet, and you have no reason to not believe her, howard news checked out her credentials for one. |
yeah i heard this too and was thinking wow then the lady blew her cover and said when the troops first went into iraq they had no body armour at all ....so i called my friend who was in on the first deployment and he said he and everyone with him had armour (although it was a heavier and hotter version then they have now) some checking up on her
also maybe if we didnt spend half of the 90s downsizing our military we might of hhad the right equipment ...... waiting for the pile on |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by nunpuncher
yeah i heard this too and was thinking wow then the lady blew her cover and said when the troops first went into iraq they had no body armour at all ....so i called my friend who was in on the first deployment and he said he and everyone with him had armour (although it was a heavier and hotter version then they have now) some checking up on her
also maybe if we didnt spend half of the 90s downsizing our military we might of hhad the right equipment ...... waiting for the pile on |
How did she "blow her cover"? Can you prove she does not work there?
And calling your friend has nothing to do with this. This administration's failure to equip our troops is well documented. Don't you remember the soldier who asked Rumsfeld on national tv why they had to search junkyards for scrap metal to up-armor their Humvees and Rumsfeld basically told him to fuck off....?
And since they have everyone from clerks to cooks now fighting on the front lines, I'm sure not EVERYONE was given armor and proper equipment to begin this war.
What she said is nothing new. |
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| angrychink |
'...you go to war with the equipment you've got, not with the equipment you want'
~ chickenhawk rumsfeld telling soldiers to die without body armor they've requested over and over |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by nunpuncher
yeah i heard this too and was thinking wow then the lady blew her cover and said when the troops first went into iraq they had no body armour at all ....so i called my friend who was in on the first deployment and he said he and everyone with him had armour (although it was a heavier and hotter version then they have now) some checking up on her
also maybe if we didnt spend half of the 90s downsizing our military we might of hhad the right equipment ...... waiting for the pile on |
And you might want to check into the cuts Darth Cheney made while he served as SecDef.... |
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| Monster_Zero |
Quote: Originally posted by Robinsmuff
Calm down guys. Jack is one of the most articulate & well read posters on this board. This is his standard response as a way of showing how inane the argument that anyone who questions our leaders must not be patriotic is. Pure sarcasm.
Jack also deserves all time status at SFN for challenging MA to full financial disclosure only to have MA for the 2nd time run away from a direct challenge. |
Actually it was the first... but the one juicy detail you're leaving out is; that in both cases, MA was the one who issued the direct challenge! :rofl: |
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| Monster_Zero |
Quote: Originally posted by acefree
whos MA? |
See my sig... |
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| nunpuncher |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
How did she "blow her cover"? Can you prove she does not work there?
And calling your friend has nothing to do with this. This administration's failure to equip our troops is well documented. Don't you remember the soldier who asked Rumsfeld on national tv why they had to search junkyards for scrap metal to up-armor their Humvees and Rumsfeld basically told him to fuck off....?
And since they have everyone from clerks to cooks now fighting on the front lines, I'm sure not EVERYONE was given armor and proper equipment to begin this war.
What she said is nothing new. |
by saying a total lie ....this equals blowing her cover she said no troops had vest.... |
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| nunpuncher |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
And you might want to check into the cuts Darth Cheney made while he served as SecDef.... |
so ... how does that change anything im saying no one should ev...er cur spending on then mil ever
i dont give a shit who did it |
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| nunpuncher |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
'...you go to war with the equipment you've got, not with the equipment you want'
~ chickenhawk rumsfeld telling soldiers to die without body armor they've requested over and over |
this is a person using a touch of class and not bad mouthing the stripping of the army
but i know hes a rep so he is evil he lloves hal war is for oil bla bla bla |
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| Halcyon |
Nunpuncher,
Are you trying to tell everyone right now that you believe that all.... ALL of the troops were adequately outfitted to do the proper job?!
I can tell you right now that's a load of horseshit.
I don't believe they were all NOT adequately supplied either.... but there were certainly troops that were shipped to Iraq who didn't even get bullet proof vests!!! That's just unacceptable.... even ONE troop without a vest or a helmet is unacceptable. |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by nunpuncher
so ... how does that change anything im saying no one should ev...er cur spending on then mil ever
i dont give a shit who did it |
"Ever"?
That is silly. Are you saying we should continue pouring money into failed projects like the idiotic missile "defense"?
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