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| Swede |
Roughly over the past month, the shopping for free agents in baseball has been a busy one. But one thing I don't get is teams throwing money at pitchers that seem sub par.
The latest is Doug Davis . He was signed for 3yrs/$22mil - 7.3mil/year! He had a 4.97 era and went .500 in wins. That to me doesn't sound like a 7 mil/year guy!
Another example is Kyle Lohse . 1 Year for 4.2mil and he was a 5-10 pitcher with an era of 5.83.
The prices of pitchers keeps going up, when when is there a limit? |
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| elroyjonz |
| Good pitching is hard to come by so teams always overpay. Or should I say the fans overpay to watch a boring game. |
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| Swede |
| if I were someone in the NHL or NFL where you have a salary cap, and I see a player in the ML making double you do and they have average to below average stats, I would go insane |
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| tommyp |
| If that picture could pitch better than the real thing, I'd say it's worth it. |
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| RLM6370 |
| You know what they say "a picture is worth a thousand words" :banana: |
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| WhiteBoy |
| I am forcing my 3 year old son to become a lefthanded pitcher. He has no choice :D |
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| timdawg6 |
| It's Fucking bullshit that my Phillies sign Eaton to a 3 year 24 million deal, and the D-train signed a one year 5 milllion contract. Phillies should have offered him at least 8 what the hell is wrong with them |
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| mkriss5681 |
| i will become the baseball fan i used to be when i was kid when they instate a salary cap |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by mkriss5681
i will become the baseball fan i used to be when i was kid when they instate a salary cap |
Are you talking about Dontrelle Willis?
The Philles got screwed with Eaton because he was a free agent. Talk about a guy who is overpaid.
The Marlins and Willis were going to go to Arbitrartion, so the Phillies or any other team would have had no option. If any team could have signed him somebody would have paid him $20,000,000.
If you are not talking about Willis then ignore this post. |
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| timdawg6 |
| What you talking about Willis? Yeah, Im talking about Dontrell, so does that mean he is a free agent next year. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
He is not a free agent next year, belive he will be Abitration eligible again and then free agency the next year, but I am not 100% sure about that.
As I said if he was a free agent both the Mets and Yanks would have easily paid him $15,000,000 per. |
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| WhiteBoy |
Quote: Originally posted by timdawg6
What you talking about Willis? Yeah, Im talking about Dontrell, so does that mean he is a free agent next year. |
I'm a Phillies fan too :(
He did the deal with the Marlins to avoid arbitration.
Dontrelle won't be a free agent next year either. Baseball rules:
"MLB players cannot choose their employer until they have reached six full years of Major League service time, at which point they can declare free agency. At that point, they are free to sign with whomever they wish." |
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| A.Lange=Crazy |
| The Phillies coudln't of signed Willis the Marlins went to arbitration. The team gets to keep the player for 5 years then they become a free agent I think. The first couple of years are arbitration. Thats why Howard or Utley haven't gotten huge deals because they will still be under are control Howard for 3 and I think Utley 1 more arbitration year and then he will get a long term deal. Don't give up on Eaton he has good stuff and I think he will surprise some people this year. It's not like we are asking him to do much he is are 4th starter I am just hoping for a 13-10 4.50 type of year. With the crazy market this year those type of stats are worth 8 mill per year. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by A.Lange=Crazy
Don't give up on Eaton he has good stuff and I think he will surprise some people this year. It's not like we are asking him to do much he is are 4th starter I am just hoping for a 13-10 4.50 type of year. With the crazy market this year those type of stats are worth 8 mill per year. |
If Eaton goes 13-10 with a 4.5 ERA then expect to be watching the playoffs on TV again this year.
Actually I would expect that regardless :D |
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| A.Lange=Crazy |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
If Eaton goes 13-10 with a 4.5 ERA then expect to be watching the playoffs on TV again this year.
Actually I would expect that regardless :D |
Don't talk about rotations when your Mets rotation is very shaky right now. Even if Eaton doesn't pitch well he have Garcia,Myers,Hamels,Moyer,Lieber which are better options than the Mets right now. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by A.Lange=Crazy
Don't talk about rotations when your Mets rotation is very shaky right now. Even if Eaton doesn't pitch well he have Garcia,Myers,Hamels,Moyer,Lieber which are better options than the Mets right now. |
Unfortunately for you there are 9 innings in a baseball game.
The Mets definately have the deepest bullpen in the league.
Our pitching staff has already gotten the job done before, and has plenty of experience.
Especially in the post season!
Your team and pitching staff has never been to the postseason and has always choked.
Why dont you guys get to August still in the race before you begin to talk......
We know it has been a long time since you were in a division race after the all star break |
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| Halcyon |
| I wish I could be an amazing picture that made tons of money :rolleye2: |
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| A.Lange=Crazy |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Unfortunately for you there are 9 innings in a baseball game.
The Mets definately have the deepest bullpen in the league.
Our pitching staff has already gotten the job done before, and has plenty of experience.
Especially in the post season!
Your team and pitching staff has never been to the postseason and has always choked.
Why dont you guys get to August still in the race before you begin to talk......
We know it has been a long time since you were in a division race after the all star break |
Experience? Maine,Perez, and whoever your 5th starter have little experience in the majors compared to are rotation. They might have been in the playoffs last year, but that doesn't mean much. Garcia,Lieber, and Moyer have alot more postseason experience in Maine,Perez. The Mets bullpen is better than the Phillies, but you lost Bradford and Sanchez is still recovering from surgery. Not to mention Mota is suspended for the first 50 games of the season. You guys are counting on unknowns in Schoeneweis, Burgos, and Sosa. Your bullpen is worse than last year and your rotation is alot worse than last year. You keep bringing up the past and not the future. Expect the Phillies to challenge the Mets for the division title this year. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
I expect the Phillies to choke, just like they did every year for the past 50.............
I would MUCH rather having Maine OR Perez pitch a game 7 then Lieber,Garcia or Moyer.
However I already know that when it comes to a big game, Lieber shits the bed. He will never win a big game for you guys. If he could win big games he would be on the Yankees, ask any Yankees fan. Jamie Moyer has not sniffed the postseason in what 7 years? Yeah I want him on the mound in a big game.... Garcia has plenty of post season experience but his numbers define shaky and inconsistant. I would not want any of those guys pitching a game 7 for me, forget about a game 6. Both Perez and Maine got the job done last year, in the big game. When your guys do that, then you can talk....
Look at Bradford's numbers, last year was by far his best year as a pro. I am glad the Mets did not give him 3 years and $11,000,000. Relief pitchers are VERY year to year and that is too much money to committ. Sanchez is back from surgery and is already throwing. He will be ready for opening day and I expect the same Sanchez as last year. This guy has consistantly been a good pitcher. Do I need to bring up Heilman? He is arguably the most sought after RP in the majors. Mota will mist 50 games, but who gives a shit, that is the first 50 games and easily the most meaningless of the 162. This guy Schoeneweis is also a very good pitcher, who has done it more then once.
I also see that you dont want to go player for player thru our lineups because nobody can argue from top to bottom the Mets clearly have the better lineup.
Get ready to choke again. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
P.S Pitchers always become available during the season.
The Mets will have both $$ and prospects to spend if they need to.
They will be sitting nice when the first big pitcher goes on the market. Again, IF they feel the need to upgrade.
In Minaya I trust!!! |
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| WhiteBoy |
Quote: Originally posted by A.Lange=Crazy
Don't talk about rotations when your Mets rotation is very shaky right now. Even if Eaton doesn't pitch well he have Garcia,Myers,Hamels,Moyer,Lieber which are better options than the Mets right now. |
Sporting News has the Phils rotation ranked #1 in the NL |
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| A.Lange=Crazy |
Are lineups stack well. We scored the most runs in the nl last year and will only get better this year.
Here are Moyer,Lieber, Garcia's numbers in the postseason real choke artists.
Moyer - 3-1 2.66 era granted not alot of starts, but solid in his 7 starts
Lieber - 1-1 3.43 era same thing as Moyer solid in his 3 starts
Garcia - 6-2 3.11 era real good numbers for the postseason
Compared to Maine and Perez
Maine - 1-0 2.63 only 3 starts
Perez - 1-0 4.63 only 2 starts
Before you start throwing numbers they suck in the postseason check the stats. The only reason you would take the Mets rotation over the Phillies is because your a Mets fan. Any other knowledgeable baseball fan would take the Phillies rotation over the Mets and you will see why at the end of the season. Good luck with getting that big name pitcher because I highly doubt any good pitcher will be on the market and others will offer more than the Mets. You should of signed Zito, Schmidt when you had the chance. Right now the Mets might be considered the top team in the nl, but I like the Phillies chances to win the division or get the wild card. I'm not trashing talk, but you can't seem to think of the Phillies a threat when they have a good team. |
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| Jack the Hammer |
| Pitchers are what win you ballgames and are crutial in the Playoffs, that's why there getting the big dough, the good ones are hard to come by! |
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| MLBoros72s |
Fucking pictures getting great deals.
Back in my day, cameras like ^ that got only $700,000 a year. |
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| DLee84331 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Unfortunately for you there are 9 innings in a baseball game.
The Mets definately have the deepest bullpen in the league.
Our pitching staff has already gotten the job done before, and has plenty of experience.
Especially in the post season!
Your team and pitching staff has never been to the postseason and has always choked.
Why dont you guys get to August still in the race before you begin to talk......
We know it has been a long time since you were in a division race after the all star break |
Unfortunately for you there's 162 games in a MLB season. Any team that counts on their bullpen rather then their starting rotation is a dead dog, especially when August rolls around. It cost the Yankees in 2004 The Mets two top pitchers are over 40. And have you looked at Perez's regular season numbers the last 2 seasons? Don't be fooled by one playoff start. And if you're counting on Maine to have a big season, you're in deep shit already. Minaya did a piss poor job this off season. He didn't get the one thing this team needed, a top of the rotation pitcher. He signs Alou instead. Great job signing a 40 year old injury prone outfielder. |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by Swede
Roughly over the past month, the shopping for free agents in baseball has been a busy one. But one thing I don't get is teams throwing money at pitchers that seem sub par.
The latest is Doug Davis . He was signed for 3yrs/$22mil - 7.3mil/year! He had a 4.97 era and went .500 in wins. That to me doesn't sound like a 7 mil/year guy!
Another example is Kyle Lohse . 1 Year for 4.2mil and he was a 5-10 pitcher with an era of 5.83.
The prices of pitchers keeps going up, when when is there a limit? |
You forgot the BIGGEST bust, D-Mat, 111 MILLION for 5 years, HAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
All I can say is talk to me at the end of the year.
You guys will be once again getting ready to watch the playoffs on TV.
You will never get good pitching because look at your stadium......
It is impossible to have good pitching..... |
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