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| DREAD |
In response to the news blurb about the Marine who put two rounds in a
wounded insurgent's head in Fallujah, here's a response from a Marine:
It's a safety issue pure and simple. After assaulting through a target, we
put a security round in everybody's head. Sorry al-Reuters, there's no paddy
wagon rolling around Fallujah picking up "prisoners" and offering them a hot
cup a joe, falafel, and a blanket. There's no time to dick
around on the target. You clear the space, dump the chumps, and move on.
org.
Are Corpsman expected to treat wounded terrorists? Negative. Hey
libs,worried about the defense budget? Well, it would be waste, fraud, and
abuse for a Corpsman to expend one man-minute or a battle dressing on a
terrorist.Its much cheaper to just spend the $.02 on a 5.56mm FMJ.
By the way , in our view, terrorists who chop off civilian's heads are not
prisoners, they are carcasses. Chopping off a civilian's head is another
reason why these idiots are known as "unlawful combatants."
It seems that most of the world's journalists have forgotten that fact.
Let me be very clear about this issue. I have looked around the web,and many
people get this concept, but there are some stragglers.
Here is your situation Marine: You just took fire from unlawful combatants
(no uniform - breaking every Geneva Convention rule there is) shooting from
a religious building attempting to use the sanctuary status of their
position as protection.
But you're in Fallujah now, and the Marine Corps has decided that they're
not playing that game this time. That was Najaf. So you set the mosque on
fire and you hose down the terrorists with small arms, launch some AT-4s
(Rockets), some 40MM grenades into the building and things quiet down.
So you run over there, and find some tangos (bad guys) wounded and
pretending to be dead. You are aware that suicide martyrdom is like really
popular with these idiots, and they think taking some Marines with them
would be really cool. So you can either risk your life and your fire team's
lives by having them cover you while you bend down and search a guy that you
think is pretending to be dead for some reason. Most of the time these are
the guys with the grenade or vest made of explosives.
Also, you don't know who or what is in the next room. You're already
speaking English to the rest of your fire team or squad which lets the
terrorist know you are there and you are his enemy. You are speaking loud
because your hearing is poor from shooting people for several days. So you
know that there are many other rooms to enter, and that if anyone is still
alive in those rooms, they know that Americans are in the mosque. Meanwhile
(3seconds later), you still have this terrorist (that was just shooting at
you from a mosque) playing possum. What do you do? You double tap his head,
and you go to the next room, that's what!!!
What about the Geneva Convention and all that Law of Land Warfare stuff?
What about it. Without even addressing the issues at hand, your first
thought should be, "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6."
Bear in mind that this tactic of double tapping a fallen terrorist is a
perpetual mindset that is reinforced by experience on a minute by minute
basis. Secondly, you are fighting an unlawf ul combatant in a Sanctuary,which
is a double No-No on his part. Third, tactically you are in no position to
take prisoners" because there are more rooms to search and clear, and the
behaviour of said terrorist indicates that he is up to no good. No good in
Fallujah is a very large place and the low end of no good and the high end
of no good are fundamentally the same .. Marines end up getting hurt or die.
So there is no compelling reason for you to do anything but double tap this
idiot and get on with the mission.
If you are a veteran, then everything I have just written is self evident.If
you are not a veteran, then at least try to put yourself in the situation.
Remember, in Fallujah there is no yesterday, there is no
tomorrow, there is only now . Right NOW. Have you ever lived in NOW for a
week? If you have never lived in NOW for longer than it takes to finish the
big roller coaster at Six Flags, then shut your hole about putting Marines
in jail for "War Crimes". |
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| Ass Boil |
I will never judge a soldier for something they do in the heat of battle, when their own ass is on the line. Making naked pyramids and torturing prisoners for no fucking reason is another story....
And I wonder if his veteran/ non veteran comment applies to the many cowardly Republicans who sit their fat fucking pasty asses in their living rooms playing armchair General, arguing over which unnecessary conflict to send our troops into next?
I don't blame any of our troops for torture or even the incident with the wounded insurgent. I blame the fucking shitheads who put them in that position in the first place. |
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| artie84 |
as much as i'm against the war
i agree with this guy, if i was over there i would be ripping motherfuckers apart to make sure i saw tomorrow |
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| WillowGlen |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
I will never judge a soldier for something they do in the heat of battle, when their own ass is on the line. Making naked pyramids and torturing prisoners for no fucking reason is another story....
And I wonder if his veteran/ non veteran comment applies to the many cowardly Republicans who sit their fat fucking pasty asses in their living rooms playing armchair General, arguing over which unnecessary conflict to send our troops into next?
I don't blame any of our troops for torture or even the incident with the wounded insurgent. I blame the fucking shitheads who put them in that position in the first place. |
I have no problem with the double tap after the fact. You never know what they could be wired with. They only have to be barely alive with contol over one finger to trigger whatever homemade POS device they have shoved down thier pants.
Theres no reason to blame them for the torture. It wasnt done by our miltary commanders in the field. They were relieved and the orders where given by private contractors. That's your federal tax dollars at work under the Bush Regime. |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by WillowGlen
I have no problem with the double tap after the fact. You never know what they could be wired with. They only have to be barely alive with contol over one finger to trigger whatever homemade POS device they have shoved down thier pants.
Theres no reason to blame them for the torture. It wasnt done by our miltary commanders in the field. They were relieved and the orders where given by private contractors. That's your federal tax dollars at work under the Bush Regime. |
Actually the orders were given at the very TOP of the chain to allow it, or else it never would have happened. |
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| FunKdaFriEd |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
I will never judge a soldier for something they do in the heat of battle, when their own ass is on the line. Making naked pyramids and torturing prisoners for no fucking reason is another story....
And I wonder if his veteran/ non veteran comment applies to the many cowardly Republicans who sit their fat fucking pasty asses in their living rooms playing armchair General, arguing over which unnecessary conflict to send our troops into next?
I don't blame any of our troops for torture or even the incident with the wounded insurgent. I blame the fucking shitheads who put them in that position in the first place. |
on point! I agree. :bigclap: |
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| Reed Rothchild |
| 100% agreed. As much as I wish we never went into this war, I have no problem with the Soldiers taking every precaution to protect themselves and their comrades. I would do no less, if I wasn't too old, out of shape, and chicken to join the Army. |
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| cecilturtle06 |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
I will never judge a soldier for something they do in the heat of battle, when their own ass is on the line. Making naked pyramids and torturing prisoners for no fucking reason is another story....
And I wonder if his veteran/ non veteran comment applies to the many cowardly Republicans who sit their fat fucking pasty asses in their living rooms playing armchair General, arguing over which unnecessary conflict to send our troops into next?
I don't blame any of our troops for torture or even the incident with the wounded insurgent. I blame the fucking shitheads who put them in that position in the first place. |
Amen. God bless the troops.
:ps: |
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| Abba |
Quote: Originally posted by DREAD
In response to the news blurb about the Marine who put two rounds in a
wounded insurgent's head in Fallujah, here's a response from a Marine:
It's a safety issue pure and simple. After assaulting through a target, we
put a security round in everybody's head. Sorry al-Reuters, there's no paddy
wagon rolling around Fallujah picking up "prisoners" and offering them a hot
cup a joe, falafel, and a blanket. There's no time to dick
around on the target. You clear the space, dump the chumps, and move on.
org.
Are Corpsman expected to treat wounded terrorists? Negative. Hey
libs,worried about the defense budget? Well, it would be waste, fraud, and
abuse for a Corpsman to expend one man-minute or a battle dressing on a
terrorist.Its much cheaper to just spend the $.02 on a 5.56mm FMJ.
By the way , in our view, terrorists who chop off civilian's heads are not
prisoners, they are carcasses. Chopping off a civilian's head is another
reason why these idiots are known as "unlawful combatants."
It seems that most of the world's journalists have forgotten that fact.
Let me be very clear about this issue. I have looked around the web,and many
people get this concept, but there are some stragglers.
Here is your situation Marine: You just took fire from unlawful combatants
(no uniform - breaking every Geneva Convention rule there is) shooting from
a religious building attempting to use the sanctuary status of their
position as protection.
But you're in Fallujah now, and the Marine Corps has decided that they're
not playing that game this time. That was Najaf. So you set the mosque on
fire and you hose down the terrorists with small arms, launch some AT-4s
(Rockets), some 40MM grenades into the building and things quiet down.
So you run over there, and find some tangos (bad guys) wounded and
pretending to be dead. You are aware that suicide martyrdom is like really
popular with these idiots, and they think taking some Marines with them
would be really cool. So you can either risk your life and your fire team's
lives by having them cover you while you bend down and search a guy that you
think is pretending to be dead for some reason. Most of the time these are
the guys with the grenade or vest made of explosives.
Also, you don't know who or what is in the next room. You're already
speaking English to the rest of your fire team or squad which lets the
terrorist know you are there and you are his enemy. You are speaking loud
because your hearing is poor from shooting people for several days. So you
know that there are many other rooms to enter, and that if anyone is still
alive in those rooms, they know that Americans are in the mosque. Meanwhile
(3seconds later), you still have this terrorist (that was just shooting at
you from a mosque) playing possum. What do you do? You double tap his head,
and you go to the next room, that's what!!!
What about the Geneva Convention and all that Law of Land Warfare stuff?
What about it. Without even addressing the issues at hand, your first
thought should be, "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6."
Bear in mind that this tactic of double tapping a fallen terrorist is a
perpetual mindset that is reinforced by experience on a minute by minute
basis. Secondly, you are fighting an unlawf ul combatant in a Sanctuary,which
is a double No-No on his part. Third, tactically you are in no position to
take prisoners" because there are more rooms to search and clear, and the
behaviour of said terrorist indicates that he is up to no good. No good in
Fallujah is a very large place and the low end of no good and the high end
of no good are fundamentally the same .. Marines end up getting hurt or die.
So there is no compelling reason for you to do anything but double tap this
idiot and get on with the mission.
If you are a veteran, then everything I have just written is self evident.If
you are not a veteran, then at least try to put yourself in the situation.
Remember, in Fallujah there is no yesterday, there is no
tomorrow, there is only now . Right NOW. Have you ever lived in NOW for a
week? If you have never lived in NOW for longer than it takes to finish the
big roller coaster at Six Flags, then shut your hole about putting Marines
in jail for "War Crimes". |
"Settle down, Marine, no one's going to put you in jail for takin action in a fire fight against some maniac who was firing on you. Your job is to make sure that fucker's dead.
Your job is NOT to rape and murder regular people who are trying to live in the American built Hell-hole called Iraq. Remember, next time you put a disheveled Iraqi man and his freaked out wife in your gunsight, and your loins stir for his 13 year old daughter, that YOU have the guns and have a hard time living, he has none, and is struggling to keep his family alive.
Never forget what you stand for, Marine." |
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