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Here is some more info for the global warming crowd.
Man-Made Global Warming Is Politics Not Science
John Bender
Etherzone
Tuesday, February 13, 2007
On Friday, February 2, 2007 the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change released a document titled: Climate Change 2007: The Physical Science Basis, Summary for Policymakers. This is a political document. It is not the supposedly scientific document which is titled: IPCC Working Group I Contribution to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Fourth Assessment Report: Climate Change 2007: The Physical Science Basis.
The “scientific” document is still being edited and will not be issued for several months. Yet the buggy whip media is using the political document to gin up hysteria among the gullible masses.
None of the fear mongers in the buggy whip press are bothering to mention the fact that the political document says right in the beginning that the “scientific” document is being edited to conform to the already released summary. That’s right. The U.N. politicians and bureaucrats wrote and released a summary of a report that isn’t written yet and is being edited to conform to their political summary.
The political summary itself says: “Changes (other than grammatical or minor editorial changes) made after acceptance by the Working Group or the Panel shall be those necessary to ensure consistency with the Summary for Policymakers or the Overview Chapter.” There is no outcry about this among the fear mongers. Contrast the total lack of reportage on this with the huge outcry in the buggy whip press when some language (no data) was allegedly altered in some US government climate reports.
Nor are the purveyors of panic giving much notice to the scientists like Dr. Chris Landsea who in his own words, resigned from the IPCC because:
“I personally cannot in good faith continue to contribute to a process that I view as both being motivated by pre-conceived agendas and being scientifically unsound.”
That’s right. One of their own scientists who worked on the project for years wrote for it previously and was asked to write part of this report quit because the product is driven by pre-conceived agendas and is scientifically unsound.
It’s not part of the politically correct agenda so the buggy whip media relays only the apocalyptic view touted by media darlings like Al Gore rather than give a balanced report including all sides of the debate.
Dr. Timothy Ball’s excellent debunking of the IOOP political statement, Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? was almost totally ignored by the environmentally correct old media. Dr. Ball’s excellent piece starts with his credentials: “Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to make people open up their eyes and see the truth. But few listen, despite the fact that I was one of the first Canadian PhDs. in Climatology and I have an extensive background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition. Few listen, even though I have a PhD, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England and was a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. For some reason (actually for many), the World is not listening. Here is why.”
Other prominent scientists ignored by the hysteria merchants include Edward Wegman. Dr. Wegman is a professor at the Center for Computational Statistics at George Mason University, chair of the National Academy of Sciences' Committee on Applied and Theoretical Statistics, and board member of the American Statistical Association. Dr. Wegman’s basic conclusion on the scientific basis for the hypothesis of man-made global warming boils down to; “junk in, junk out”.
Another prominent scientist ignored by the old media is Dr. Richard S.J. Tol who was an IPCC author, is Editor of “Energy Economics”, and board member of the Centre for Marine and Climate Research at Hamburg University. Dr. Tol believes global warming is real but believes it benefits mankind, especially in the short term.
Duncan Wingham, professor of climate physics at University College London and principal scientist of the European Space Agency's CryoSat Mission, which is designed to measure changes in the Earth's ice masses. Dr. Wigman’s findings show that the scientific evidence to date “is not favorable to the notion we are seeing the results of global warming.”
Dr. Henrik Svensmark of the Danish National Space Center, believes that changes in the sun's magnetic field, is the reason for global warming, not anything man has done. Dr. Nigel Weiss, past president of the Royal Astronomical Society and a mathematical aerophysicist at the University of Cambridge, also believes the Sun, not man is responsible for changes in the Earth's climate. Adding weight to this view of global warming is the findings of Dr. Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of the space research laboratory at Pulkovo Astronomical Observatoryin Russia, and others, that Mars is also undergoing global warming. Even Al Gore should know that Mars has no greenhouse conditions and there is no activity by Martians to blame the warming on. Dr. Abdussamatov believes this shows it is solar irradiance, not carbon dioxide, which accounts for the recent rise in temperature.
Nor has the rapidly disintegrating buggy whip media bothered to mention that the U.N. and Ted Turner’s $1 Billion gift to that organization fund the IPCC scientists. Yet, they went ballistic when it was reported that Exxon was offering small stipends to scientists who are not caught up in proving the preconceived agenda of the U.N. and the far left.
Of course, yellow journalism like that is the reason the buggy whip press and the old broadcast media are losing readership, and viewers. They’ve lost credibility with all but the most radical leftists and the Oprah watchers. Still, much of the new media has been slow in getting out the real facts. Giving the fear mongers a bigger edge in the debate than they deserve. One exception in broadcast media has been Rush Limbaugh. Mr. Limbaugh has done yeoman’s work exposing the junk science and the political nature of the hysteria.
None of this will matter to the radical left, the environmental wackos, or to the perpetually scared. The gullible masses who believed the junk science from the same sources now spewing tainted conclusions about global warming when they said the Earth was cooling.
Here are just a few quotes the press used to excite the gullible in the 1970’s:
The continued rapid cooling of the earth since WWII is in accord with the increase in global air pollution associated with industrialization, mechanization, urbanization and exploding population. -- Reid Bryson, "Global Ecology; Readings towards a rational strategy for Man", (1971)
The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s, the world will undergo famines. Hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. Population control is the only answer -- Paul Ehrlich - The Population Bomb (1968)
I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000 -- Paul Ehrlich in (1969)
In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish. -- Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day (1970)
Before 1985, mankind will enter a genuine age of scarcity . . . in which the accessible supplies of many key minerals will be facing depletion -- Paul Ehrlich in (1976)
This [cooling] trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century -- Peter Gwynne, Newsweek 1976
There are ominous signs that the earth's weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production - with serious political implications for just about every nation on earth. The drop in food production could begin quite soon... The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologist are hard-pressed to keep up with it. -- Newsweek, April 28, (1975)
This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000. -- Lowell Ponte "The Cooling", 1976
If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year 2000...This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age. -- Kenneth E.F. Watt on air pollution and global cooling, Earth Day (1970)
Nor will it matter to the perpetually scared that many of the scientists contributing to the tainted reports are radical leftists. Many of them belong to the radical Union of Concerned Scientists, a far left-wing activist group. David Martosko, executive director of ActivistCash.com - a division of the Center for Consumer Freedom last month told Cybercast News Service the UCS would be "more aptly named the Union of Pro-Regulation, Anti-Business Scientists."
University of Virginia environmental scientist, Dr. Fred Singer, told Cybercast News Service that the union had "zero credibility as a scientific organization" and was more akin to "pressure groups like Greenpeace."
One example of the political agenda of the “scientists at the UCS is this quote from Helen Caldicott; “Free Enterprise really means rich people get richer. They have the freedom to exploit and psychologically rape their fellow human beings in the process . . . Capitalism is destroying the earth.” -- Helen Caldicott, Union of Concerned Scientists.
This is the same Helen Caldicott who in 1982 made the ridicules claim that the Hershey Foods Corporation was producing chocolate carrying strontium 90 because of the proximity of the Three Mile Island incident to Hershey's factory. Her assertion was easily debunked and discredited but the fear mongers in the old media never gave the debunking the same coverage they gave the unfounded assertion. One can still find the claim on some environmentalists’ web sites along with the silliness about man-made global warming.
There is plenty of evidence that man-made global warming is no more real than man-made global cooling was. The people who believe professional wrestling is real will dismiss that evidence preferring to believe the tainted junk science put out by the U.N. and the radical left.
The more thoughtful among us will consider the source of the hysterical claims along with their record and their radical agenda and not join the gullible in believing the sky is falling.
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| Halcyon |
:yawn: :zzz:
You're boring....
And your paid-off fake study is boring.... |
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| ChaseDC |
Why is the right so obsessed with disputing global warming?
I guess it helps them sleep better at night believing the far-fetched-wacked-out "proof" that they aren't destroying the planet.
Again, republicans/right-leaning people only give a shit about two things, war and themselves. |
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| Ass Boil |
Jesus H.Christ
Where the fuck do all these ignorant cunts come from?
You are aware that the Summary FOR Policymakers is written by the same people and based on the exact same research used to write the main report, aren't you?
600 scientists from 154 countries and reviewed by 600 more vs. your handful of opinions funded by the fossil fuel industry.....
Stop embarrasing yourself. |
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| angrychink |
it would really be interesting to see:
those who debate against global warming
how many of those are subsidized by the fuel industry |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by ChaseDC
Why is the right so obsessed with disputing global warming?
I guess it helps them sleep better at night believing the far-fetched-wacked-out "proof" that they aren't destroying the planet.
Again, republicans/right-leaning people only give a shit about two things, war and themselves. |
It's all they have left Chase.....
A) They can't dispute their President lied about WMD
B) They can't dispute his approval rating is the worst in history
C) They can't dispute that his war strategy was a failure
D) They can't dispute that we were lied to
E) They can't dispute that they are sheeps and lapdogs
F) They can't dispute Bush didn't listen to his advisors
G) They can't dispute that Bush didn't listen to the Intelligence reports
H) They can't dispute that he's a psycho who 'talks to God'
I) They can't dispute that he's borrowed more money than the other 42 Presidents combined
J) They can't dispute his tax cuts only affect the rich
K) They can't dispute his economic BOOM only affects the top 1% of the nation
L) They can't dispute he turned a federal surplus into a trillion dollar debt
M) They can't dispute that soldiers are dying needlessly for a failed democracy
N) They can't dispute the billions of dollars no-bid contractors and friends get from this War
O) They can't dispute that we're any safer because of this War
P) They can't dispute that every politician is now turning their backs on this administration
Q) They can't dispute their neo-con regime has fallen
R) They can't dispute that Diebold machines in 2004 came with pre-loaded votes for Bush
S) They can't dispute that Cheney is a drunk who shot his friend in the face with birdshot
T) They can't dispute that the president sat on his ass during Hurricane Katrina fiasco
U) They can't dispute that he killed a leader of a nation that cause sectarian violence to explode
V) They can't dispute that Al Qaeda wasn't IN Iraq until WE showed up their first
W) They can't dispute that $8.8 billion is missing from the war fund with no explanation
X) They can't dispute that all of this comes from the Party of Morals and Family Values
Y) They can't dispute that all of this comes from the Party of Fiscal Responsibility
Z) They can't dispute that George W. Bush (43) will go down as the absolute Worst President in United States History!
You see Chase? It's all they have to grasp on to..... Spin tactics.... let's not look at the real issues, let's look at why Global Warming isn't real, and why Pelosi DEMANDS a huge plane.... let's not discuss the toilet bowl that has become America.... That would be un-american... |
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| iatebethO |
| Etherzone? Thanks for the link to a Christian Conservative newsletter, I'll make sure I never go read that bullshit again. |
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| ChaseDC |
| Quote: You see Chase? It's all they have to grasp on to..... Spin tactics.... let's not look at the real issues, let's look at why Global Warming isn't real, and why Pelosi DEMANDS a huge plane.... let's not discuss the toilet bowl that has become America.... That would be un-american... |
I've always known they never discuss the real issues. They just plain don't give a shit. They'd rather attack, spin and smear that be confronted with actual issues. |
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| Timmy |
Scientists dont know shit. Thats why they waste billions on research that doesnt go anywhere!
How the fuck can they tell its Man thats the leading cause. The Earth naturally heats n cools. How can they tell what is cause by man and what isnt. |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by ChaseDC
I've always known they never discuss the real issues. They just plain don't give a shit. They'd rather attack, spin and smear that be confronted with actual issues. |
That is what is so frustrating and disgusting about them. They'll call YOU unamerican for questioning the President.... but it's not unamerican for them to ignore the real facts and discuss issues that might make them look bad. |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by Timmy
Scientists dont know shit. Thats why they waste billions on research that doesnt go anywhere!
How the fuck can they tell its Man thats the leading cause. The Earth naturally heats n cools. How can they tell what is cause by man and what isnt. |
:rolleyes: Yeah... scientists don't know shit... so here's a novel idea, let's just stop all scientific research to possibly find all the causes or even better, possible solutions to making sure our continued existence on this Earth is around forever.
You're so stupid.... |
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| Timmy |
Well they dont know as much as they think.
Sure the ice caps are melting. CAUSE THEY ARE MADE OF ICE! They had to be water at one point. So its not such an insane idea that they return to that form. |
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| ChaseDC |
Quote: Originally posted by Timmy
Well they dont know as much as they think.
Sure the ice caps are melting. CAUSE THEY ARE MADE OF ICE! They had to be water at one point. So its not such an insane idea that they return to that form. |
Right, but at rates higher than normal?
Or when an arctic shelf breaks off? No. |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by Timmy
Well they dont know as much as they think.
Sure the ice caps are melting. CAUSE THEY ARE MADE OF ICE! They had to be water at one point. So its not such an insane idea that they return to that form. |
So your answer is to stop all scientific funding?
So let's not research why Global Warming happens....
So then we don't have to research how to prevent it if possible?
Do you know what would happen if the entire polar caps melted? |
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| angrychink |
seems
all these anti science motherfuckers want to do
is protect dumbya's agenda of making his buddies rich, while fucking and destroying the world |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by Timmy
Scientists dont know shit. Thats why they waste billions on research that doesnt go anywhere!
How the fuck can they tell its Man thats the leading cause. The Earth naturally heats n cools. How can they tell what is cause by man and what isnt. |
Welcome to square one, man.... try doing some reading about the issue.
They know because since the rise of industry we have seen the type of warming normally seen over thousands of years. We have affected the earth's ability to heal itself. |
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| Timmy |
hey Im all for conservation and environmentalism. But lets not convice ourselves that we know everything. Scientist will tell you that its impossible for bumblebees to fly. Reality says different.
As for the ice caps. There is a long shipping history were the artic lanes go thru periods of open to frozen over. There really isnt much that is normal. Ifyou really think about it, should we be stopping somthing that is SUPPOSED to happen? |
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| Timmy |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
Welcome to square one, man.... try doing some reading about the issue.
They know because since the rise of industry we have seen the type of warming normally seen over thousands of years. We have affected the earth's ability to heal itself. |
Industry has only existed for a blip in time.
Hey Im with ya. As a kid I remember all the pollution in and around New England cities. Years of envioronmental protection has healed alot of wounds. Im all for being green! |
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| Timmy |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
We have affected the earth's ability to heal itself. |
We ARE the Earth! |
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| JTProcess |
Once again,
I invite anyone who doesn't believe that automobile emissions have an effect on their environment to take my simple 3 step test.
Step 1 - Park your car in your garage, do not turn it off... let the engine run.
Step 2 - Close all doors and windows in order to create your own "miniature planet" complete with it's own miniature atmosphere!
Step 3 - Sit in your car and breathe deeply... within a couple hours you'll be able to decide for yourself whether or not carbon emissions from vehicles have an effect on this miniature environment you've created in your garage!!!
I hereby challenge ANYONE who argues that the emissions from their vehicle have no effect on the atmosphere to take this simple 3 step test and decide for themselves.
(NOTE: THIS EXPERIMENT WILL NOT WORK IF YOU DRIVE A HYBRID VEHICLE.. but if you do, chances are you are smart enough to understand that dumping poisonous gasses into the air does in fact have a negative effect on the environment) |
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| Timmy |
Quote: Originally posted by JTProcess
Once again,
I invite anyone who doesn't believe that automobile emissions have an effect on their environment to take my simple 3 step test.
Step 1 - Park your car in your garage, do not turn it off... let the engine run.
Step 2 - Close all doors and windows in order to create your own "miniature planet" complete with it's own miniature atmosphere!
Step 3 - Sit in your car and breathe deeply... within a couple hours you'll be able to decide for yourself whether or not carbon emissions from vehicles have an effect on this miniature environment you've created in your garage!!!
I hereby challenge ANYONE who argues that the emissions from their vehicle have no effect on the atmosphere to take this simple 3 step test and decide for themselves.
(NOTE: THIS EXPERIMENT WILL NOT WORK IF YOU DRIVE A HYBRID VEHICLE.. but if you do, chances are you are smart enough to understand that dumping poisonous gasses into the air does in fact have a negative effect on the environment) |
Great experiment. Of course to make it a comparable to earths scale, my car would have to be the size of the Pacific Ocean. |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by JTProcess
Once again,
I invite anyone who doesn't believe that automobile emissions have an effect on their environment to take my simple 3 step test.
Step 1 - Park your car in your garage, do not turn it off... let the engine run.
Step 2 - Close all doors and windows in order to create your own "miniature planet" complete with it's own miniature atmosphere!
Step 3 - Sit in your car and breathe deeply... within a couple hours you'll be able to decide for yourself whether or not carbon emissions from vehicles have an effect on this miniature environment you've created in your garage!!!
I hereby challenge ANYONE who argues that the emissions from their vehicle have no effect on the atmosphere to take this simple 3 step test and decide for themselves.
(NOTE: THIS EXPERIMENT WILL NOT WORK IF YOU DRIVE A HYBRID VEHICLE.. but if you do, chances are you are smart enough to understand that dumping poisonous gasses into the air does in fact have a negative effect on the environment) |
Yes emissions do effect the environment. I hate smog. The question is though what does your experiment have to do with global warming? |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
Yes emissions do effect the environment. I hate smog. The question is though what does your experiment have to do with global warming? |
He's saying anytime we fill up our limited space with toxic gasses... we will kill ourselves...
That's all....
I have another problem... our population (world wide) is out of control.... and the Earth can only sustain so many life forms on it before it goes into upheaval.... |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
He's saying anytime we fill up our limited space with toxic gasses... we will kill ourselves...
That's all....
I have another problem... our population (world wide) is out of control.... and the Earth can only sustain so many life forms on it before it goes into upheaval.... |
But that has nothing to do with global warming. They are two separate issues. Don't ask me to reduce smog so the planet doesn't get warm. Ask me to reduce smog so I can fucking breathe. And so my kids don't die of cancer at 18.
Let's be honest about what we need to do and why we need to do it. |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
But that has nothing to do with global warming. They are two separate issues. Don't ask me to reduce smog so the planet doesn't get warm. Ask me to reduce smog so I can fucking breathe. And so my kids don't die of cancer at 18.
Let's be honest about what we need to do and why we need to do it. |
I can agree with that....
He was using it as an example... I'm not necessarily for the example as it pertains to Global Warming... I don't see the correlation....
But that's what he was saying, I was just trying to explain to you what HE meant. |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
I can agree with that....
He was using it as an example... I'm not necessarily for the example as it pertains to Global Warming... I don't see the correlation....
But that's what he was saying, I was just trying to explain to you what HE meant. |
I know what he was getting at, and I was just trying to point out that it is not a valid argument. And then I used your reply to answer the reply that never came from him. ;) |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
I know what he was getting at, and I was just trying to point out that it is not a valid argument. And then I used your reply to answer the reply that never came from him. ;) |
Well, now I'm replying to the reply you meant for him, but used my reply to reply to his test. So, um..... now I'm confused :p |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
Well, now I'm replying to the reply you meant for him, but used my reply to reply to his test. So, um..... now I'm confused :p |
I picked the wrong week to quit smoking pot.*
*from the classic move "Airplane" |
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| zimmie |
| bottom line...if Al Gore said it, some of these dummies will believe it...BAAAAH...BAAAAAH |
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| ChaseDC |
bottom line:
zimmie = childfucker |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie
when I'm not fucking children, I fuck sheep...BAAAAH...BAAAAAH |
Yes, you do |
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| Robinsmuff |
Quote: Originally posted by Timmy
Scientists dont know shit. Thats why they waste billions on research that doesnt go anywhere!
How the fuck can they tell its Man thats the leading cause. The Earth naturally heats n cools. How can they tell what is cause by man and what isnt. |
Everything you write is true, but what is out of the ordinary & has never been seen before is the level of co2 in the atmosphere. It is already at levels never before seen & will only continue to grow. This is not a theory, the theory is what the future impact will be, but it is fact that the level is at never before seen heights. If 99% of he climatologist are correct & this is a guarentee of a climate change never before experienced, isn't it in the best interest to correct the problem? Let's say that lonely 1% are right and unbelievable record co2 levels never before imagined are of no concern, are we really worse off because we took measures to lower the c02 levels? In fact these efforts will create an entire new industries that will generate billions of dollars. Why is the oil industry more precious than the solar industry? 30 years ago numerous corporations fought recycling reforms. They cried out that the new requirements would cost them millions & force them to raise prices & cut jobs. Today the recycling industry is a multi-billion dollars industry that has created more jobs than ever could have been cut.
To fight against those preaching global warming is akin to saying you are willing to take a chance that almost every scientist is wrong & let our children & grand children suffer if they are right. It is a risk no one should be willing to take. |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by Robinsmuff
Everything you write is true, but what is out of the ordinary & has never been seen before is the level of co2 in the atmosphere. It is already at levels never before seen & will only continue to grow. This is not a theory, the theory is what the future impact will be, but it is fact that the level is at never before seen heights. If 99% of he climatologist are correct & this is a guarentee of a climate change never before experienced, isn't it in the best interest to correct the problem? Let's say that lonely 1% are right and unbelievable record co2 levels never before imagined are of no concern, are we really worse off because we took measures to lower the c02 levels? In fact these efforts will create an entire new industries that will generate billions of dollars. Why is the oil industry more precious than the solar industry? 30 years ago numerous corporations fought recycling reforms. They cried out that the new requirements would cost them millions & force them to raise prices & cut jobs. Today the recycling industry is a multi-billion dollars industry that has created more jobs than ever could have been cut.
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If by seen you mean humans have never seen CO2 levels this high, you are right, but if you mean what I think you do - you are WAY off.
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| Robinsmuff |
Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
If by seen you mean humans have never seen CO2 levels this high, you are right, but if you mean what I think you do - you are WAY off.
link |
I should have been more clear. I understand there was a time well before man walked the earth when co2 levels were at record levels. The difference is, & this is what I should have stated, the co2 levels are currenly rising at a level never before seen. If you look at the the last 100 years this far eclipses the rate our measurments indicate the levels shifted at any other time.
BBC
not geotrack but science daily
I coud post over 1,000 links to support my claim. |
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| MissingMentalPatient |
Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
link [/B] |
I think we can all agree that this chart helps simply the issue. |
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| nikkyo |
Quote: Originally posted by booybob
Here is some more info for the global warming crowd.
Man-Made Global Warming Is Politics Not Science
John Bender
Etherzone
Tuesday, February 13, 2007
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