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http://www.newsobserver.com/146/story/545851.html
Stonewall should be proud:
Students told to shun Muslims
Published: Feb 22, 2007 12:30 AM
Modified: Feb 22, 2007 05:37 AM
Yonat Shimron and Kinea White Epps, Staff Writers
RALEIGH - A national Muslim advocacy group has rebuked the Wake County Public School system for allowing a Christian evangelist to speak at Enloe High School and distribute pamphlets denouncing Islam.
The Council on American Islamic Relations said the school system will have created a "discriminatory, hostile learning environment," violating federal civil rights law, if it does not investigate the incident and apologize to students.
The complaint stems from a guest appearance last week in several classes by Kamil Solomon, a Raleigh-based Christian evangelist, who urged students to shun Muslims.
"When you bring in somebody to distribute hate-filled literature without an opportunity for rebuttal, you have a disturbing situation," said Ibrahim Hooper, communications director for the national council, known as CAIR. "These students are obliged to be in the classroom and listen to this speaker who is presented as an authority figure by the teacher."
'Don't marry a Muslim'
Solomon's appearance Friday in teacher Robert Escamilla's social studies classes at Enloe, a magnet school for gifted and talented students, shocked many who took the pamphlets home and showed them to their parents, students said. One pamphlet, comparing Jesus with Muhammad, says the Muslim prophet "enslaved people, abused women and taught Muslims to terrorize non-Muslims and force them into Islam."
"He basically told us Muslims were bad and we should convert to Christianity," said Alyssa Kaszycki, 14, of Cary, who heard Solomon during a freshman seminar class. "He told all the girls we should never marry a Muslim man because they would take away our freedom and beat us."
She said Solomon was their only guest speaker this semester.
Solomon, an Egyptian-born Christian who runs Kamil International Ministries Organization based in Raleigh, did not return phone messages or e-mail messages. Escamilla declined to speak about the incident.
Michael Evans, Wake County schools spokesman, said the district was looking into the matter.
"We're going to take the accusations seriously," Evans said. "It is part of our ongoing investigation. We need to ascertain what happened and what comments were made."
School principal Beth Cochran offered a written response to an inquiry by the Raleigh-based Muslim American Public Affairs Council.
"I assure you that teachers make sure that students know that his presentation was one person's perspective and not representative of all Muslims," Cochran said. She also said that the school champions "the free exchange of ideas."
Parallel drawn to KKK
A spokesman for the Muslim American council said he was seeking assurances from the Wake County schools that the incident would not be repeated and the people responsible for it would be held accountable.
"There should be some kind of system where proselytizing is not allowed," said Marc Conaghan, spokesman for the Raleigh-based Muslim group.
Parents, too, said the school's response wasn't adequate. Tariq Butt of Raleigh, whose daughter, Saira, is a freshman, said the principal's suggestion that Solomon's presentation was just "one person's perspective," was disingenuous.
"It wasn't opinion. It was an outright attack and fabrication," said Butt, who is a Muslim. "Can we allow the KKK to distribute hate-filled literature in school?"
Butt, who sent Escamilla e-mail, said he wasn't satisfied with his response. In an e-mail message to Butt, Escamilla said he did not know Solomon before inviting him to class and wasn't aware of Solomon's Web site, www.kimo4jesus.org, which announces that, "Our mission is to raise an awareness of the danger of Islam among Christians and equip them to share Jesus with Muslims."
Escamilla said school principal Cochran asked him to defer all questions to her. Cochran could not be reached. Calls to Wake Superintendent Del Burns were not returned Wednesday.
Lisa Kaszycki, Alyssa's mother, said she contacted the school and got a short reply saying they were "dealing with the situation."
"I'll be interested to see what the outcome was," Kaszycki said. |
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| Abba |
Don't you know, bashing Muslims is all the rage. you gotta love a society who thinks racism and discrimination is acceptable.
Everyone take a LOOOONG hard look in the mirror. It's a little painful when you realise the fake veneer of American Enlightenment is exposed for the fruad it is. |
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| tom sizemore |
| GOD BLESS THE DEEP SOUTH AND ALL THE WONDERFUL REDNECKS WHO LIVE THERE |
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| Stonewall |
People should know about Islam.
Instead of complaining about it CAIR should go on the offensive and refute the points made. |
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| Abba |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
People should know about Islam.
Instead of complaining about it CAIR should go on the offensive and refute the points made. |
Why? Who says that you're legitimate anyway?
Why should ANYONE dignify your literal SHIT? We all know it is. Everyone knows it is.
You know what they do with people like you? They lock you up in an insane asylum.
Refute this point-
Stonewall is an insane pederast who occaisionally fucks it's mother. It is SO displeased with it's own life that it instead places responsibility for it's shitty lot in life on "others". It's psyche is a hate filled miasma of self-loathing and rage against the unknown.
refute that, fucker. :fu: |
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| Monster_Zero |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
People should know about Islam.
Instead of complaining about it CAIR should go on the offensive and refute the points made. |
I've got a better idea... lets prosecute anyone caught spreading ANY religious garbage at public schools. A school is supposed to be about learning, not a place for superstition and ignorance. :idea: |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by Abba
Don't you know, bashing Muslims is all the rage. you gotta love a society who thinks racism and discrimination is acceptable.
Everyone take a LOOOONG hard look in the mirror. It's a little painful when you realise the fake veneer of American Enlightenment is exposed for the fruad it is. |
BASHING THEM
THATS BETTER THAN THEM BLOWING UP ISN'T IT |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
People should know about Islam.
Instead of complaining about it CAIR should go on the offensive and refute the points made. |
CAIR ANOTHER TERRORIST ORGANIZATION DEDICATED TO BULLSHITING AMERICA INTO THINK ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE |
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| WillowGlen |
| Douche_Here another illiterate moron dedicated to consistently showing the ignorance of the typical Bush Sheep by simply opening his mouth. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Abba
Why? Who says that you're legitimate anyway?
Why should ANYONE dignify your literal SHIT? We all know it is. Everyone knows it is.
You know what they do with people like you? They lock you up in an insane asylum.
Refute this point-
Stonewall is an insane pederast who occaisionally fucks it's mother. It is SO displeased with it's own life that it instead places responsibility for it's shitty lot in life on "others". It's psyche is a hate filled miasma of self-loathing and rage against the unknown.
refute that, fucker. :fu: |
Lets look at one thing. I know it's difficult... the truth, but lets take a look at the marriage question. The article says don't marry a Muslim. Why? What could be so bad about that?
We have Christians saying "Don't Marry a Muslim".... What do Muslims say?
What is the punishment for a Muslim woman who marries a Christian man?
Question:
How is a woman to be punished if she marries a Christian? How often is it carried out and in what countries is it most common?
Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
It is not permissible for a Muslim woman to marry a kaafir (non-Muslim), whether he is Jewish, Christian or an idol-worshipper, because the man has authority over his wife, and it is not permissible for a kaafir to have authority over a Muslim woman. For Islam is the true religion and all other religions are false. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And give not (your daughters) in marriage to Al-Mushrikoon till they believe (in Allaah Alone)” [al-Baqarah 2:221]
“And never will Allaah grant to the disbelievers a way (to triumph) over the believers” [al-Nisaa’ 4:141]
And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Islam should prevail and should not be prevailed over.”
If a Muslim woman marries a kaafir when she knows the ruling, then she is a zaaniyah (adulteress), and her punishment is the punishment for adultery. If she was ignorant of the ruling then she is excused, but they must be separated, and there is no need for a divorce because the marriage is null and void. On this basis, the Muslim woman whom Allaah has honoured with Islam and her guardian must beware of that and must adhere to the limits set by Allaah, and they must feel proud of Islam. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Those who take disbelievers for Awliyaa’ (protectors or helpers or friends) instead of believers, do they seek honour, power and glory with them? Verily, then to Allaah belongs all honour, power and glory” [al-Nisaa’ 4:139]
Written by Shaykh ‘Abd al-Rahmaan al-Barraak
Muslim Site
Wow. So, a woman cannot marry anyone unless they are a Muslim, because men have authority over women and because Islam should prevail over all other religions. Men can marry Christian women because men have authority over women and Islam thus would prevail over everything...
The punishment is the same as for Adultery... |
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| SaintJimmy |
You mean to tell me that there is a religion that promotes intolerance and ignorance?
Say it ain't so.
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| curleydan |
oh no, lets all feel real bad for the poor old muslims.
motherfuck every last fucking one of them. |
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| angrychink |
how about jehovah's witnesses?
motherfucking doorbell ringers
fuck em |
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| SaintJimmy |
| Goddamn hittites. Fuck 'em. |
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| Monster_Zero |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
how about jehovah's witnesses?
motherfucking doorbell ringers
fuck em |
I have two large dogs... haven't seen a JW at my door in years :D
In all honesty, all you gotta do is tell them you're not interested and they'll leave you alone. It's part of their belief to try and "bring people to God", but they are under no quota to convert. Most faiths put emphasis on monetary donations... JW's put more emphasis on donations of time spent in service to God... ya know, kinda like how Jesus supposedly operated.
I agree that uninvited people at your door can be a pain in the ass, but when it comes to Christians, JW's are among the least hypocritical... and those folks sure know their Bible! Put a JW up against a Born Againer on Bible knowledge, the JW will take it every time. |
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| angrychink |
basically
fuck all religion
and fuck worse the motherfuckers who try to foist that crap on others |
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| curleydan |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
basically
fuck all religion
and fuck worse the motherfuckers who try to foist that crap on others |
fuckin a |
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| artiel |
| It would be too easy for me to write: "Fuck Christians" because I am not Christian... but I'm not going to. Hatemongerers like Dude_here and stonewall will never realize that they in fact are hatemongerers, much less realize the bigger picture that they are performing the same prejudiced act as the people that they refer to and typify so as to project onto an entire group of millions of people. So, I'm just going to be short and sweet. If you hate a group of people, you should ask yourself why. If you have an answer, which you probably do, then go back and try to re-analyze the situation from the other perspective until you can see things their way. I don't know why it's always so shocking to me the inability of people to put themselves into the shoes of others, but it perpetually does. |
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| Abba |
Good one Stonebrain.
Here's what good Christians and jews are SUPPOSED to do in the same instance.
According to the Torah (Old Testament), Jews should not intermarry because their children will turn to other religions. "You shall not intermarry with them: do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons. For you will turn your children away from Me to worship other gods..." (Deuteronomy 7:1-3).
Jews living in an open, Multi-cultural society have strayed from their faith by relaxing their views on intermarriage, and instead work to bring the non-Jewish spouse to convert to Judiasm.
Furthermore, all branches of Orthodox Judaism, both Haredi and non-Haredi, view intermarriage as wrong and refer to intermarriage as a "Second Silent Holocaust."
So, where are the speakers talking about how bad it is for good little Christian girls to marry Money-Lending, big nosed, Satan worshipping, baby blood drinking Jewish men??
You won't hear of THOSE preachers, since Jews are God's chosen people, RIGHT??
Better yet, why doesn't that same roving preacher warn children not to ever hit their parents lest they be killed by the Tolerant and Loving Christian society??
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Or forget hitting them, we should kill them for telling their parents to Fuck Off, because...
All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Oh, and speaking of adultery, ...
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
And finally, you know those "evil Muslims" you hate so much? The one's who want to kill everyone who doesn't believe in Islam?? Check this out.
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
The wonderous, peaceful Bible and the wondrous, shit-don't stink Christianity definately have Muslims beat here. the Quran tells it's adherents to act in self-defense and "Kill the unbelievers wherever they may be". The Bible, however, tells good Christian folk to RAZE THE ENTIRE GODDAMNED TOWN, KILL EVERY INHABITANT, AND EVEN SLAUGHTER THEIR LIVESTOCK IF ONE PERSON IN THE TOWN ISN'T A CHRISTIAN.
Stonewall, do you see when you're a beaten man?? I don't really bother with you anymore because you've made it abundantly clear you're a nobody and your opinion is absolute, meaningless drivel. The Sheer hypocracy in every single one of your statements has elevated you to the revered status of the Politics Forum resident religious moron, in the same exalted league as Dude-Here.
It's truly inconsequential that you have to say anything on Islam, while you turn a completely blind eye to the REAL threat to our Country, Evangelicals. They are poised to redefine America in ways that will make you piss your little pink girly panties yet again.
You think Muslims are bad, just wait for those Bible thumpers to start flexing their ever growing, Jesus freak muscle.
I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism. Randall Terry, Founder of Operation Rescue. Reported by the News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, IN, 1993-AUG-16:
In the meantime, keep up the good work on informing us of just how big a loser bigot you are.
:spankin: :fu: |
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| Stonewall |
Abba,
Thats what I get?
I would think you would thank me for showing things about Islam from Muslims.
We all know that in the U.S. and the Christian world people are not killed for Adultery. Prevented from marriage to other religions.
Why would you use the word "evil" when I post what Muslims believe? That fatwa is from your people, your Ummah. Are you saying it is evil? |
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| Abba |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Abba,
Thats what I get?
I would think you would thank me for showing things about Islam from Muslims.
We all know that in the U.S. and the Christian world people are not killed for Adultery. Prevented from marriage to other religions.
Why would you use the word "evil" when I post what Muslims believe? That fatwa is from your people, your Ummah. Are you saying it is evil? |
No, I'm saying that you're a lowlife douchebag with ZERO credibility. I have no patients (Dude-HERE) for racism, regardless of how it packaged.
The fact that Christians don't follow God's law as perscribed in the Bible only says that they're bad Christians.
And your argument that The Quran says it is moot, because just like Christianity, MANY of the things said in the Quran aren't adhered to.
You just don't get it, do you? After all this time, after rewording the exact same simple concept so many times to get it through your simple head.
EVERY RELIGION is fucked up, and regardless of what you think (not much), there ARE people in parts of the world who practice the more unpleasant parts of their religion, while the VAST majority don't. Does that make them "Bad" christians or Muslims or Jews? Maybe, but they're not stoning people to death for adultery or burning people at the stake for heresy anymore.
Unfortunately, because bigoted inhuman things like you exist, ANY news about Islam that could be sensationalized and propel the Myths you so desperately cling to is echoed throughout all forms of media. Meanwhile, the far worse actions of others who are following their religion Like Ultra-Zionist Israelis and their common massacres of Palestinian babies deserves NO attention from you.
If you're goal is to inform people of the truth about the evils we face, as you claimed many months ago, then you've failed, because you forgot to inform us all about the infinate evils carried out in the name of the other faiths around the planet. Instead, your hypocrasy is utterly clear and evident, so congrats on that like I said before, you and Dude-here are in a league of your own. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Abba
No, I'm saying that you're a lowlife douchebag with ZERO credibility. I have no patients (Dude-HERE) for racism, regardless of how it packaged.
The fact that Christians don't follow God's law as perscribed in the Bible only says that they're bad Christians.
And your argument that The Quran says it is moot, because just like Christianity, MANY of the things said in the Quran aren't adhered to.
You just don't get it, do you? After all this time, after rewording the exact same simple concept so many times to get it through your simple head.
EVERY RELIGION is fucked up, and regardless of what you think (not much), there ARE people in parts of the world who practice the more unpleasant parts of their religion, while the VAST majority don't. Does that make them "Bad" christians or Muslims or Jews? Maybe, but they're not stoning people to death for adultery or burning people at the stake for heresy anymore.
Unfortunately, because bigoted inhuman things like you exist, ANY news about Islam that could be sensationalized and propel the Myths you so desperately cling to is echoed throughout all forms of media. Meanwhile, the far worse actions of others who are following their religion Like Ultra-Zionist Israelis and their common massacres of Palestinian babies deserves NO attention from you.
If you're goal is to inform people of the truth about about, as you claimed many months ago, then you've failed, because you forgot to inform us all about the infinate evils carried out in the name of the other faiths around the planet. Instead, your hypocrasy is utterly clear and evident, so congrats on that like I said before, you and Dude-here are in a league of your own. |
I don't say it. It's a Muslim site. You act as if I'm making things up. Why do you run from your religion? |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
basically
fuck all religion
and fuck worse the motherfuckers who try to foist that crap on others |
a muslims would kill you for saying that
a christian would just ignore you
and a jew wouldn't even care |
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| angrychink |
you said....
a muslims would kill your for saying that
why do you ignorantly believe that? |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
you said....
a muslims would kill your for saying that
why do you ignorantly believe that? |
before i laugh at you
i would use the denmark comics as an example |
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| Abba |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
I don't say it. It's a Muslim site. You act as if I'm making things up. Why do you run from your religion? |
Yeah, the Internets are full of facts and troof. :rolleyes: |
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| angrychink |
one example
and you say all muslims would kill you?
is that what you're saying?
i gotta ask you slowly because i know how fucking stoned and incoherent you are |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
one example
and you say all muslims would kill you?
is that what you're saying?
i gotta ask you slowly because i know how fucking stoned and incoherent you are |
please point out where i said all muslims
i said a muslim |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Abba
Yeah, the Internets are full of facts and troof. :rolleyes: |
I know the internet is bad when we are shown things that we do not like. Everyone knows that.
Why don't you show one of those Muslim sites that approve of marriage between a Muslim Female and Non-Muslim male.
It should be very easy... |
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| angrychink |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
please point out where i said all muslims
i said a muslim |
see, part of your problem is how fucking ignorant and pathetic you are
you said....'muslims'
if you corrected it, congratulations, after i posted your typo
while you harp on others typos, conveniently, when you got nothing else
i don't do that
i just let you wallow in your ignorance and stupidity |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
see, part of your problem is how fucking ignorant and pathetic you are
you said....'muslims'
if you corrected it, congratulations, after i posted your typo
while you harp on others typos, conveniently, when you got nothing else
i don't do that
i just let you wallow in your ignorance and stupidity |
looking back at that post ..its apparent its a typo because the other 2 i mentioned ..one should know ..like an iq test...
but your too full of hatred and AH HA ...that you can't think straight |
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| artiel |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
a muslims would kill you for saying that
a christian would just ignore you
and a jew wouldn't even care |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
before i laugh at you
i would use the denmark comics as an example |
Simply amazing... 2 quality posts by Dude-Here in a row. Keep it up! |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by artiel
Simply amazing... 2 quality posts by Dude-Here in a row. Keep it up! |
please explane how i am wrong
in denmark did muslims not go crazy over comics |
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| artiel |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
please explane how i am wrong
in denmark did muslims not go crazy over comics |
Sorry to confuse... I was in fact, NOT being sarcastic. |
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| curleydan |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
I know the internet is bad when we are shown things that we do not like. Everyone knows that.
Why don't you show one of those Muslim sites that approve of marriage between a Muslim Female and Non-Muslim male.
It should be very easy... |
you will never see that post from abba because he knows its not true. abba is like all these other american muslims that want us to believe that they are not like the bomb wearing muslims in the middle east. when the real truth is they are. i dont blame them, they are just trying to avoid becoming the 21st century version of the 1940s japanese. |
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