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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
I don't disagree with that. But, I would only add by 1939 it was not possible anymore. And in our situation it is always 1939. Because it is too late. If it ever was possible that ended long long ago. Decades ago.
We are in a situation now where it only gets worse. |
...Yeah, except that the real comparison to the "people of Germany" circa 1939, are the millions of brain-washed Southern white idiots (curiously descended from mostly german stock, esp. in Texas), and Republicons in general.
1. You lot are also brainwashed by the most blunt/obvious of propaganda.
2. Idol worship of a "great" Father Figure (looooove me daaaa-aaadyyy..!!!), who's really just an evil cancer on the world.
3. Hate "thought", "truth", "intellectuals", "liberals", "reason"...
4. Mostly repressed homosexuals.
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| angrychink |
Quote: Originally posted by Hater
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? SERIOUSLY...WHAT IS THIS NONSENSE??
STONEWALL PLEASE GO BACK AND GET YOUR G.E.D. YOU NEED SERIOUS EDUCATIONAL HELP... |
leave it alone
it still has to try to get its propaganda straight |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Hater
Stonewall you are truly incredible...i have said rational points to which you have refused to respond...your reading comprehension is astounding...it's impossible for me to follow your posts and your points...it terrifies me to think what sort of employment someone like you could have...
Go study Lebanon? What does that have to do with this discussion? Israel bombed the shit out of lebanon right? IN the end that strengthened hezbollah...thats the only point....the history of Lebanon is irrelevant to this discussion...
You quoted my post in your post, but I don't think you actually read it...i addressed all of your claims one by one...stop ignoring what i wrote and respond to the topic at hand...jesus christ talking to you is making feel like i'm going insane... |
But Lebanon is the point, and you brought it up. And how that began is important because it did not begin with Israel bombing Lebanon. And, I did answer your points.
I do not know for a fact that Hezbollah is better off now. I think a real sour taste is in the mouth of Lebanese these days because of what Hezbollah brought.
The History does matter though. |
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| enimim |
Quote: Originally posted by Hater
Because I'm a hater...i originally chose this name when I was posting on a hatred filled conservative blog, and my name reflected my attitude toward the belief systems of those ignorant neocons...I am a hater of republicans, conservatives, the right wing, red states, etc.... |
If that,s why your name is Hater, i would rather call you Lover! |
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| Hater |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
But Lebanon is the point, and you brought it up. And how that began is important because it did not begin with Israel bombing Lebanon. And, I did answer your points.
I do not know for a fact that Hezbollah is better off now. I think a real sour taste is in the mouth of Lebanese these days because of what Hezbollah brought.
The History does matter though. |
the history has nothing to do with our current coversation...go back and read the discussion between to the two of us...if you think you've actually responded to anything I've said you are severly delusional...
my lebanon example was merely one snapshot example...the history is unrelated...you should know this, I mean, guy you're an old ass man, I saw your profile, you were born in '63...you should be smarter than this...you should be able to read and comprehend better than you can...you should be embarassed by your clear lack of education...it's brutal...i wonder what backwards red state you were raised in...it's amazing that people like you can survive in the world this long...
perhaps darwin was wrong...your existence is making me wonder...
it's clear that we are getting nowhere, you are incapable of debate, of following a thread, and of reading...i don't know what else to do, i made it as clear as possible for you...good luck in whatever it is someone like you can do for a living...i can only pray that you don't have children and if you do, that you sent them to school, which is what your parents should have done for you... |
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| Hater |
Quote: Originally posted by enimim
If that,s why your name is Hater, i would rather call you Lover! |
haha...well while I am a peaceful guy, being called lover is a little pussy wouldn't you agree? :)
I am a political junkie and I seriously hate what is happening to my country...in fact, it's the only source of hatred in my entire life...
what happened was that I met a couple of people on that conservative blog that were also on SFN (like saint jimmy) so when I moved over here I kept my name so it would be easy for them to recognize me...
perhaps i should change my name to hater hater...ha... |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Hater
the history has nothing to do with our current coversation...go back and read the discussion between to the two of us...if you think you've actually responded to anything I've said you are severly delusional...
my lebanon example was merely one snapshot example...the history is unrelated...you should know this, I mean, guy you're an old ass man, I saw your profile, you were born in '63...you should be smarter than this...you should be able to read and comprehend better than you can...you should be embarassed by your clear lack of education...it's brutal...i wonder what backwards red state you were raised in...it's amazing that people like you can survive in the world this long...
perhaps darwin was wrong...your existence is making me wonder...
it's clear that we are getting nowhere, you are incapable of debate, of following a thread, and of reading...i don't know what else to do, i made it as clear as possible for you...good luck in whatever it is someone like you can do for a living...i can only pray that you don't have children and if you do, that you sent them to school, which is what your parents should have done for you... |
I can understand coming back with a post that is meaningless.
I tell you what I'm gonna do you a favor. Here is a chance to learn...
BIN LADEN'S FATWA
There you go. Read that and then get back to me.
Then we'll learn Islam... |
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| WillowGlen |
Great the "Whats thier plan" argument.
This is the great NEOCON argument now. That they should all be able to stay in office because noone can come up with a 30 second soundbite "plan" that will fix everything they spent 6 years screwing up by next week.
Having this administration and its cohorts still in office is like paying someone to housesit and take care of your dog while your out of town. Everytime you come home the dog has shit all over the kitchen. It has happened so often that your dog will not even shit outside anymore when your home. They promise that if you just let them keep trying they will fix it. And stupid you keeps letting them try. Now 6 years and 50 business trips later the dog is not only shitting in the kitchen but is now shitting in every room of the house. And all the housesitter can say is that you should keep paying them to try because noone can tell you in a 30 second soundbite how they are going to keep the dog from shitting in the house by tomorrow.
Only Republicans assume that they get to keep thier jobs by default because noone can fix the problems overnight that they took years to create. I have a lot of employees under me and if one of them fucks up majorly too often and needs to be fired, I dont wait until someone off the street comes up to me and tells me how they are going to fix the problems. I fire thier ass and move on. The criminal choices this group of fuckups has made have done so much damage it will take decades to recover from it. To think that these asswhipes should stay in power by default until someone else figures out a way to wave a magic wand and fix everything by next week is insulting. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
It kinda was because we stopped Saddam. Not that they were on his side but that we had killed Muslims, and staying too pissed them off. |
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...Saddam killed plenty of Muslims too (remember how all those Shia rose up because Daddy Bush told 'em too...and then we left them to get slaughtered?), but "the terrorists" weren't blowing up Baghdad...no, as usual, I'm correct...
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| angrychink |
ooh!
we can get into why dumbya listened to osama
and ignorantly and stupidly attacked a sovereign muslim country |
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| Hater |
Quote: Originally posted by WillowGlen
Great the "Whats thier plan" argument.
This is the great NEOCON argument now. That they should all be able to stay in office because noone can come up with a 30 second soundbite "plan" that will fix everything they spent 6 years screwing up by next week.
Having this administration and its cohorts still in office is like paying someone to housesit and take care of your dog while your out of town. Everytime you come home the dog has shit all over the kitchen. It has happened so often that your dog will not even shit outside anymore when your home. They promise that if you just let them keep trying they will fix it. And stupid you keeps letting them try. Now 6 years and 50 business trips later the dog is not only shitting in the kitchen but is now shitting in every room of the house. And all the housesitter can say is that you should keep paying them to try because noone can tell you in a 30 second soundbite how they are going to keep the dog from shitting in the house by tomorrow.
Only Republicans they get to keep thier jobs by default because noone can fix the problems overnight that they took years to create. I have a lot of employees under me and if one of them fucks up majorly too often and needs to be fired, I dont wait until someone off the street comes up to me and tells me how they are going to fix the problems. I fire thier ass and move on. The criminal choices this group of fuckups has made have done so much damage it will take decades to recover from it. To think that these asswhipes should stay in power by default until someone else figures out a way to wave a magic wand and fix everything by next week is insulting. |
haha great post! I think they need to rephrase the question to reflect reality...it should read "what is your plan for the absolute fucking disaster we've created"...that's more accurate... |
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| enimim |
Quote: Originally posted by BeaverPleaser
one or two nuclear bombs should do the trick.BOOM no more terrorists. Make a big beach out of all those countries. |
You must be kidding
The event of terrorism is so much related what is happening in the society.
(everything id deeply related with everything else what happenes)
Our society is falling apart- its old order, discipline, morality, religion.....-everything
is wrongly based.... it has lost his power over people's conscience.
god, you really believe you can stop terrorism by using nuclear weapons?? |
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| angrychink |
Quote: Originally posted by WillowGlen
Great the "Whats thier plan" argument.
This is the great NEOCON argument now. That they should all be able to stay in office because noone can come up with a 30 second soundbite "plan" that will fix everything they spent 6 years screwing up by next week.
Having this administration and its cohorts still in office is like paying someone to housesit and take care of your dog while your out of town. Everytime you come home the dog has shit all over the kitchen. It has happened so often that your dog will not even shit outside anymore when your home. They promise that if you just let them keep trying they will fix it. And stupid you keeps letting them try. Now 6 years and 50 business trips later the dog is not only shitting in the kitchen but is now shitting in every room of the house. And all the housesitter can say is that you should keep paying them to try because noone can tell you in a 30 second soundbite how they are going to keep the dog from shitting in the house by tomorrow.
Only Republicans assume that they get to keep thier jobs by default because noone can fix the problems overnight that they took years to create. I have a lot of employees under me and if one of them fucks up majorly too often and needs to be fired, I dont wait until someone off the street comes up to me and tells me how they are going to fix the problems. I fire thier ass and move on. The criminal choices this group of fuckups has made have done so much damage it will take decades to recover from it. To think that these asswhipes should stay in power by default until someone else figures out a way to wave a magic wand and fix everything by next week is insulting. |
yup
the old...repukes fuck everything up
then step back and say
ya know, somebody should fix that
that, from the motherfuckers who brought the the 'party of accountability and responsibility'
(and morality?!? bwahahahahahahahahaha) |
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| angrychink |
Quote: Originally posted by enimim
You must be kidding
The event of terrorism is so much related what is happening in the society.
(everything id deeply related with everything else what happenes)
Our society is falling apart- its old order, discipline, morality, religion.....-everything
is wrongly based.... it has lost his power over people's conscience.
god, you really believe you can stop terrorism by using nuclear weapons?? |
pussy chickenhawks are the best at misusing and abusing militarism, huh? |
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| enimim |
Quote: Originally posted by Hater
haha...well while I am a peaceful guy, being called lover is a little pussy wouldn't you agree? :)
I am a political junkie and I seriously hate what is happening to my country...in fact, it's the only source of hatred in my entire life...
what happened was that I met a couple of people on that conservative blog that were also on SFN (like saint jimmy) so when I moved over here I kept my name so it would be easy for them to recognize me...
perhaps i should change my name to hater hater...ha... |
but using my previous analogy -hate is just like darkness, or illness, or terrorism or war....- is unnatural- however i Do understand.
i don't think lover is pussy! |
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| Hater |
Quote: Originally posted by enimim
god, you really believe you can stop terrorism by using nuclear weapons?? |
Sadly the answer is probably yes...those on the right fail to see that conventional warfare is ineffective against terrorism, the same way that it would have been ineffective for black people to start killing white people in order to end racism...
personally I'm not all that worried about terrorists...i don't think they are very organized and I don't think they can hurt outside of the middle east...the terrorist crap is a whole lot of hype...
However,the divisiveness created by this war on terror (i.e. many Americans hate all muslims now) is depressing...it's sad to think that the new milennium has so far been the milennium of war...you'd think by this point in our civilization we would have developed some higher understanding or philosophy... |
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| Hater |
Quote: Originally posted by enimim
but using my previous analogy -hate is just like darkness, or illness, or terrorism or war....- is unnatural- however i Do understand.
i don't think lover is pussy! |
haha...yeah but it's not so cool in front of the guys...it's like your girlfriend coming over when you and your buddies are hanging out doing guy shit like drinking and calls you by some embarassing name like baby or sweetheart or shmoopie... |
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| enimim |
[QUOTE=angrychink]pussy chickenhawks are the best at misusing and abusing militarism, huh? [/QUO
that's why i don't like obedient people = who will blindly follow any rule! |
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| angrychink |
Quote: Originally posted by enimim
[QUOTE=angrychink]pussy chickenhawks are the best at misusing and abusing militarism, huh? [/QUO
that's why i don't like obedient people = who will blindly follow any rule! |
while the repukes
DEPEND on that blind loyal lemming-like stupidity |
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| enimim |
Quote: Originally posted by Hater
Sadly the answer is probably yes...those on the right fail to see that conventional warfare is ineffective against terrorism, the same way that it would have been ineffective for black people to start killing white people in order to end racism...
personally I'm not all that worried about terrorists...i don't think they are very organized and I don't think they can hurt outside of the middle east...the terrorist crap is a whole lot of hype...
However,the divisiveness created by this war on terror (i.e. many Americans hate all muslims now) is depressing...it's sad to think that the new milennium has so far been the milennium of war...you'd think by this point in our civilization we would have developed some higher understanding or philosophy... |
I am worried about terrorism- untill i feel that the real criminals are caught.
(and beside bin laden real criminals are religion, and Bush with his friends....)
- because they are the reasom that we can't develop a higher understanding. |
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| enimim |
Quote: Originally posted by Hater
haha...yeah but it's not so cool in front of the guys...it's like your girlfriend coming over when you and your buddies are hanging out doing guy shit like drinking and calls you by some embarassing name like baby or sweetheart or shmoopie... |
oh, i find it so cute, when a guy is embarrased infront of his friends!
-just because i will call him baby....
:p |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Hater
Sadly the answer is probably yes...those on the right fail to see that conventional warfare is ineffective against terrorism, the same way that it would have been ineffective for black people to start killing white people in order to end racism...
personally I'm not all that worried about terrorists...i don't think they are very organized and I don't think they can hurt outside of the middle east...the terrorist crap is a whole lot of hype...
However,the divisiveness created by this war on terror (i.e. many Americans hate all muslims now) is depressing...it's sad to think that the new milennium has so far been the milennium of war...you'd think by this point in our civilization we would have developed some higher understanding or philosophy... |
I disagree that conventional warfare can win this war. I don't see the U.S. winning this war. I don't think we can win. At some point we are going to suffer a massive attack that will destroy a wide swath of this nation.
The ideology is not new and we cannot change the ideology because it is religion. India has been fighting this thing for over 1000 years. Some 60,000 lost since 1990 or so.
So, while we may kill off some we will not dent the ideology. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Hater
[B]I am a political junkie and I seriously hate what is happening to my country...in fact, it's the only source of hatred in my entire life... |
...You my Bro mang...
u and eminem on da buddy list... |
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| enimim |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
while the repukes
DEPEND on that blind loyal lemming-like stupidity |
oy, i so much love to read your posts, but my English needs to improve to read your posts it without a dictionary!
what is lemming? |
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| angrychink |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
I disagree that conventional warfare can win this war. I don't see the U.S. winning this war. I don't think we can win. At some point we are going to suffer a massive attack that will destroy a wide swath of this nation.
The ideology is not new and we cannot change the ideology because it is religion. India has been fighting this thing for over 1000 years. Some 60,000 lost since 1990 or so.
So, while we may kill off some we will not dent the ideology. |
you should talk to some of your idiot fucking repuke brethren about the stay the course philosophy of dumbya's |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
At some point we are going to suffer a massive attack that will destroy a wide swath of this nation. |
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...What, is S.P.E.C.T.R.E. planning another diabolical extortion scheme that's going to go seriously wrong...?
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." ~ James Madison
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
you should talk to some of your idiot fucking repuke brethren about the stay the course philosophy of dumbya's |
Stay the course? We should have been out of there yesterday... We have a better chance at reforming cannibals than we do Iraqi's. |
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| enimim |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
you should talk to some of your idiot fucking repuke brethren about the stay the course philosophy of dumbya's |
:D
understood that! |
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| angrychink |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Stay the course? We should have been out of there yesterday... We have a better chance at reforming cannibals than we do Iraqi's. |
what's wrong with some of you repukes
who have taken to the left's plan of 'we should have been out of there yesterday'
some of the stupid motherfucking repukes are still spouting the 'stay the course' agenda
not you though |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
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...What, is S.P.E.C.T.R.E. planning another diabolical extortion scheme that's going to go seriously wrong...?
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." ~ James Madison
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I realize that it is easier to joke and deny. The incredible and utter hatred they have of the U.S. is off the scale. You think you hate Bush and you might, but their hatred of you is without any bounds at all. It is a universe full. And, it will not go away. |
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| angrychink |
Quote: Originally posted by enimim
:D
understood that! |
at least stonewall claims to comprehend that you can't win the war on terrorism (created by the bush administration)
militarily |
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| angrychink |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
I realize that it is easier to joke and deny. The incredible and utter hatred they have of the U.S. is off the scale. You think you hate Bush and you might, but their hatred of you is without any bounds at all. It is a universe full. And, it will not go away. |
i just hate dumbya's ignorance and stupidity
a stupid ignorant pussy chickenhawk |
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| Stickman |
I was hesitant to post in this thread because any discussion led by Stonewall is sure to be a mind numbing disaster.
I can feel my IQ drop every time I read one of his posts.
It's futile to discuss something as complex as terrorism with someone who has no understanding of how advanced nuclear detection is.
There is no such thing as terrorism. They cannot sneak a nuclear device into this country and destroy large parts of it, unless it is sent USGOV. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
what's wrong with some of you repukes
who have taken to the left's plan of 'we should have been out of there yesterday'
some of the stupid motherfucking repukes are still spouting the 'stay the course' agenda
not you though |
The lefts plan is to get out but that is when the plan ends, they think everything will be solved. Many problems begin when we leave. Your gonna have a Vietnam style, probably worse, killing spree going on. Killing anyone that was on our side. Then we are gonna be driven from Afghanistan because the people there who are on our side will see how Iraqi's are slaughtered and they will see their future. They will turn on us. When we pull out of Iraq we better think about a pull back in Afghanistan too. We are going to see our casualty rate climbing and we will see no progress to justify staying. We have to either move into the badlands of Pakistan or get out. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
I was hesitant to post in this thread because any discussion led by Stonewall is sure to be a mind numbing disaster.
I can feel my IQ drop every time I read one of his posts.
It's futile to discuss something as complex as terrorism with someone who has no understanding of how advanced nuclear detection is.
There is no such thing as terrorism. They cannot sneak a nuclear device into this country and destroy large parts of it, unless it is sent USGOV. |
Try anyway. There might be someone smart that stumbles upon this thread and is bright enough to understand this nuclear detection thing. Go ahead. Tell us. Tell us why a speed boat can't cross one of the great lakes and deliver it from Canada. Not to mention the Mexican border. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
I realize that it is easier to joke and deny. The incredible and utter hatred they have of the U.S. is off the scale. You think you hate Bush and you might, but their hatred of you is without any bounds at all. It is a universe full. And, it will not go away. |
...If they hate me, its only because Bush is making it so...
"They" could never do as much damage to my country/constitution as Bush and you Republicons have.
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." ~ Albert Einstein
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| angrychink |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
The lefts plan is to get out but that is when the plan ends, they think everything will be solved. Many problems begin when we leave. Your gonna have a Vietnam style, probably worse, killing spree going on. Killing anyone that was on our side. Then we are gonna be driven from Afghanistan because the people there who are on our side will see how Iraqi's are slaughtered and they will see their future. They will turn on us. When we pull out of Iraq we better think about a pull back in Afghanistan too. We are going to see our casualty rate climbing and we will see no progress to justify staying. We have to either move into the badlands of Pakistan or get out. |
again
your ignorance (for party)
makes you say shit like...
"they think everything will be solved"
don't do shit like that...it makes you sound a LOT LESS STUPIDER AND LESS IGNORANT
the thing is: the job should have been finished in afghanistan - but, dumbya wanted to invade iraq no matter what
the first step to healing is admitting dumbya had a hardon for war |
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| angrychink |
Quote: Originally posted by enimim
oy, i so much love to read your posts, but my English needs to improve to read your posts it without a dictionary!
what is lemming? |
sup enimim
a lemming is a small furry creature who - for some reason jump off cliffs to their deaths en masse
kinda like the way repukes listen to dumbya, no matter how fucking stupid
it's a very good analogy |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
...If they hate me, its only because Bush is making it so...
"They" could never do as much damage to my country/constitution as Bush and you Republicons have.
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." ~ Albert Einstein
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Is that why they planned 9/11 well before Bush came into office? You have a timeline problem.
They hated you long before Bush. |
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| angrychink |
using some repuke arguments
they attacked during dumbya's watch, huh?
what makes it worse is the 7 minutes where he acted like a total dumbfuck before being told what to do
he is no leader |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
using some repuke arguments
they attacked during dumbya's watch, huh?
what makes it worse is the 7 minutes where he acted like a total dumbfuck before being told what to do
he is no leader |
They attack during anyones watch. They attacked during Clintons term, several times. Do you think they care who the leader is?
You have to understand some truths that have nothing to do with politics. If you do not you will suffer disillusionment. If you honestly believe that when Bush ends his term then these problems are solved, good luck with that.
I can see wanting it to be that way, but you are in for an awakening to say the least. |
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| enimim |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
sup enimim
a lemming is a small furry creature who - for some reason jump off cliffs to their deaths en masse
kinda like the way repukes listen to dumbya, no matter how fucking stupid
it's a very good analogy |
you think intelligent republicasns (would love to meet one!) will agree that any blind obidience is a sin?
any intelligent person behaves according to the situation, and the stupid behaves according to some ready-made answers.
and Bush seems never behave according to the situation...
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Is that why they planned 9/11 well before Bush came into office? You have a timeline problem.
They hated you long before Bush. |
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..."making it so": Present tense, as in "presently"...
Bush threw gasoline on the fire...and then napalm...
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| enimim |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
They attack during anyones watch. They attacked during Clintons term, several times. Do you think they care who the leader is?
You have to understand some truths that have nothing to do with politics. If you do not you will suffer disillusionment. If you honestly believe that when Bush ends his term then these problems are solved, good luck with that.
I can see wanting it to be that way, but you are in for an awakening to say the least. |
I agree with you on that,
but do you agree that Bush made this world a worst place?
I was in Nairobi in '98, when the american embassy was attacked, and later i used to tell myself: if we would have pay more attention on that, 9/11 would never have happened. |
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| Hater |
| stonewalll...it's official...you are insane... |
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| Hater |
| i literally have no clue what you are arguing or how got to where you are now in the debate or what the fuck you're talking about...it's truly brutal to read your posts... |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
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..."making it so": Present tense, as in "presently"...
Bush threw gasoline on the fire...and then napalm...
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Going into Iraq did stir them up.
The alternate would have been not invading and just keeping up the status quo. That would mean staying on the same course that brought on 9/11.
The best course would have been to pull out of Saudi Arabia and leave Saddam alone. If you consider the best course to be trying to stop another attack on the U.S. by those who attacked us on 9/11. Although I'm not convinced even that would have satisfied them. If you read bin Laden's Fatwa it is clear we are viewed as the reason for all troubles. Everywhere. |
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| ChaseDC |
Quote: Originally posted by enimim
I agree with you on that,
but do you agree that Bush made this world a worst place?
I was in Nairobi in '98, when the american embassy was attacked, and later i used to tell myself: if we would have pay more attention on that, 9/11 would never have happened. |
Yes, bush has made the world less safer, and america in general.
if you are claiming that clinton should have done more in nairobi, then bush should have never ignored the numerous warnings that bin laden was determined to strike in the u.s. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by enimim
I agree with you on that,
but do you agree that Bush made this world a worst place?
I was in Nairobi in '98, when the american embassy was attacked, and later i used to tell myself: if we would have pay more attention on that, 9/11 would never have happened. |
Yes, I do agree with that. |
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| enimim |
Quote: Originally posted by Hater
stonewalll...it's official...you are insane... |
i am just trying my best to undersatnd his point of view! |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by ChaseDC
Yes, bush has made the world less safer, and america in general.
if you are claiming that clinton should have done more in nairobi, then bush should have never ignored the numerous warnings that bin laden was determined to strike in the u.s. |
I do not really fault Clinton. Had he known he would have invaded Afghanistan. He was not shy with the use of military force. |
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| ChaseDC |
Quote: Originally posted by enimim
i am just trying my best to undersatnd his point of view! |
Nice pics in your profile, btw.
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Going into Iraq did stir them up.
The alternate would have been not invading and just keeping up the status quo. That would mean staying on the same course that brought on 9/11.
The best course would have been to pull out of Saudi Arabia and leave Saddam alone. If you consider the best course to be trying to stop another attack on the U.S. by those who attacked us on 9/11. Although I'm not convinced even that would have satisfied them. If you read bin Laden's Fatwa it is clear we are viewed as the reason for all troubles. Everywhere. |
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...Yeah, because of our military bases in Saud. That when he really got militant, fuckwit...
Iraq/Saddam had nothing to do with it. |
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| enimim |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Yes, I do agree with that. |
agree with me, that Bush made this world a less peaceful place? |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by enimim
i am just trying my best to undersatnd his point of view! |
...when you figure it out please inform Stoneballs...he seems chronically "lost"... |
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| enimim |
Quote: Originally posted by ChaseDC
Nice pics in your profile, btw.
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Thanks!
Does Bush playes on any insrtument? |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
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...Yeah, because of our military bases in Saud. That when he really got militant, fuckwit...
Iraq/Saddam had nothing to do with it. |
I hate to tell you this but many things went into bin Ladens thinking. Including Iraq. Did you read his Fatwa? Here is a couple quotes:
It should not be hidden from you that the people of Islam had suffered from aggression, iniquity and injustice imposed on them by the Zionist-Crusaders alliance and their collaborators; to the extent that the Muslims blood became the cheapest and their wealth as loot in the hands of the enemies. Their blood was spilled in Palestine and Iraq. The horrifying pictures of the massacre of Qana, in Lebanon are still fresh in our memory. Massacres in Tajakestan, Burma, Cashmere, Assam, Philippine, Fatani, Ogadin, Somalia, Erithria, Chechnia and in Bosnia-Herzegovina took place, massacres that send shivers in the body and shake the conscience. All of this and the world watch and hear, and not only didn't respond to these atrocities, but also with a clear conspiracy between the USA and its' allies and under the cover of the iniquitous United Nations, the dispossessed people were even prevented from obtaining arms to defend themselves.
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It is out of date and no longer acceptable to claim that the presence of the crusaders is necessity and only a temporary measures to protect the land of the two Holy Places. Especially when the civil and the military infrastructures of Iraq were savagely destroyed showing the depth of the Zionist-Crusaders hatred to the Muslims and their children, and the rejection of the idea of replacing the crusaders forces by an Islamic force composed of the sons of the country and other Muslim people.
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The youths hold you responsible for all of the killings and evictions of the Muslims and the violation of the sanctities, carried out by your Zionist brothers in Lebanon; you openly supplied them with arms and finance. More than 600,000 Iraqi children have died due to lack of food and medicine and as a result of the unjustifiable aggression (sanction) imposed on Iraq and its nation. The children of Iraq are our children. You, the USA, together with the Saudi regime are responsible for the shedding of the blood of these innocent children. Due to all of that, what ever treaty you have with our country is now null and void.
That was in 1996.
It does not hurt sometimes to look into things and educate yourself. |
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| ChaseDC |
Quote: Originally posted by enimim
Thanks!
Does Bush playes on any insrtument? |
Not that I know of. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
I hate to tell you this but many things went into bin Ladens thinking. Including Iraq. Did you read his Fatwa? Here is a couple quotes: |
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...like I said, it was when he "really" got militant...
A "Fatwa" (much like a de-classified NIE) is largely a political document. |
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| enimim |
terrorism is not in the bombs, but it is in our unconscious,
and will not stop until our govermnet/ religion undersand it. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by enimim
Thanks!
Does Bush playes on any insrtument? |
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...Yeah, the "Skin-flute"...just ask Dick Cheney... :penis:
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| enimim |
Quote: Originally posted by ChaseDC
Not that I know of. |
Was just hoping I will dislike (hate) him less like if he would play like cello... :D |
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| enimim |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
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...Yeah, the "Skin-flute"...just ask Dick Cheney... :penis:
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just wanted to ask you what is that..., but thanks to that smile i just undersood :D
skin-flute |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Try anyway. There might be someone smart that stumbles upon this thread and is bright enough to understand this nuclear detection thing. Go ahead. Tell us. Tell us why a speed boat can't cross one of the great lakes and deliver it from Canada. Not to mention the Mexican border. |
At least you're friendly about it.
Active nuclear material is very easy to detect. In fact, if any nuclear material moves anywhere around the world, you can bet we know about it.
Please read former nuclear inspector Scott Ritter's book Endgame for a basic understanding of how these things work.
He also explains that so called WMDs have shelf lives. You cannot store Anthrax or other biological agents indefinitely. |
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| enimim |
Honesty and politician...- is that an oxymoron??
I think so :( |
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| ChaseDC |
Quote: Originally posted by enimim
Was just hoping I will dislike (hate) him less like if he would play like cello... :D |
The dummy can't even spell Cello. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
At least you're friendly about it.
Active nuclear material is very easy to detect. In fact, if any nuclear material moves anywhere around the world, you can bet we know about it.
Please read former nuclear inspector Scott Ritter's book Endgame for a basic understanding of how these things work.
He also explains that so called WMDs have shelf lives. You cannot store Anthrax or other biological agents indefinitely. |
I can assure you that concerns over Nuclear Terrorism are very real.
Here is a link Preventing Nuclear Terrorism: The Moscow-Washington Alliance
Also the U.K came out with a study.
We have a very long way to go. |
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| enimim |
Quote: Originally posted by ChaseDC
The dummy can't even spell Cello. |
dummy- n o doubt, however many things i cant spell either,
but sfn is my best English teacher!
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| Stickman |
yeah yeah yeah
fear is an industry and I'm not about to get into link wars with you.
Let me ask you this, if we are so suseptible to nuclear attack and terrorists are so smart that they can pull off a 9/11, why haven't we been attacked since?
Why aren't we attacked by terrorists every week, or month or even every year?
Our security didn't get that much better. Our intel didn't get that much better. You guys who believe the gov't lies are fucked on this because you can't have it both ways. "Oh the dirty Al Qaeda attacked us, we have to live in continual fear... wait a minute, but we haven't been attacked since..."
So which is it? |
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| enimim |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
yeah yeah yeah
fear is an industry and I'm not about to get into link wars with you.
Let me ask you this, if we are so suseptible to nuclear attack and terrorists are so smart that they can pull off a 9/11, why haven't we been attacked since?
Why aren't we attacked by terrorists every week, or month or even every year?
Our security didn't get that much better. Our intel didn't get that much better. You guys who believe the gov't lies are fucked on this because you can't have it both ways. "Oh the dirty Al Qaeda attacked us, we have to live in continual fear... wait a minute, but we haven't been attacked since..."
So which is it? |
What are you implying?? |
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| ChaseDC |
Quote: Originally posted by enimim
dummy- n o doubt, however many things i cant spell either,
but sfn is my best English teacher!
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I don't criticize people who aren't good at spelling. However, if you are the president of the united states you should be smarter than the rock you hid under during viet nam. |
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| enimim |
god, i started to read it, but had problem reading it....
can you just summerize? |
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| RightWinger12 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
yeah yeah yeah
fear is an industry and I'm not about to get into link wars with you.
Let me ask you this, if we are so suseptible to nuclear attack and terrorists are so smart that they can pull off a 9/11, why haven't we been attacked since?
Why aren't we attacked by terrorists every week, or month or even every year?
Our security didn't get that much better. Our intel didn't get that much better. You guys who believe the gov't lies are fucked on this because you can't have it both ways. "Oh the dirty Al Qaeda attacked us, we have to live in continual fear... wait a minute, but we haven't been attacked since..."
So which is it? |
The reason we havn't had an attack on American soil, is because we have chosen to set the battle grounds over there. All the terrorist's money is being funneled over there. If we did not bring this fight to them(the one that they started first USS Cole then sep. 11) then trust that there would be a lot of damage done here on our homeland.
I am a Marine, I was in Iraq. I came back 2 months ago, and when I was there, most of the Iraqi citizens would come up to my unit and give us gifts and thank us for being there. They want this democracy more then the people here in America do. I cant believe the deception there is on our news channels telling the USA citizens that we are not doing anything there. My unit was on patrol 10 miles outside of Bahgdad and we have helped build dozens of schools in the area alone, which I got to see being constucted. If it were not for the political battle about hating Bush, and making it seem like nothing is being accomplished there, I think that the American citizens would see how much they need stability there. The machine of Anti-Bush is so involved with making everyone here think that we are wasting time there makes me sick. I have signed up to go back because I know that they need me back there. It is for the sake of this side of the globe also that we stabilize that region. Many Hezballa, Al-Quieda, and other terrorist groups feed off of the negativity that the news here shows. They do not want that region to be civilized. They dont want women to have a say, they dont want equal rights for all races, they dont want the wealth to be spread around. And trust me when I say that most of the people who are causing these roadside bombs and different innocent casualties are not even from Iraq. They are people from different areas being paid to do these things. They are promised 70 virgins when they blow themselves up and they have been bred since birth that America is bad. They dont have the luxury of seeing what this country is really about, they only see what there religious leaders show them. They are cultivated to hate Americans and they are only a small percentage of what the real Islamic religion is. Islam is a peacefull religion and it is the most extreme ones that have control over another small portion who are causing all this. The media only chooses to report on these bad behaviors of these. They dont want to show the good that is being done, because for some reason it is socially acceptable to hate Bush. |
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| ChaseDC |
I appreciate your service to this country.
My best friend was in Iraq for a year and never received gifts from the Iraqi people.
Just looks of hatred.
I'm sorry but the tired " we haven't been attacked since 9/11 because we took the fight to them" bullshit is exactly that. Bullshit.
It was 8 years between their attacks in the mainland.
You want to use that propaganda as proof, then you have to give clinton credit as well. |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
yeah yeah yeah
fear is an industry and I'm not about to get into link wars with you.
Let me ask you this, if we are so suseptible to nuclear attack and terrorists are so smart that they can pull off a 9/11, why haven't we been attacked since?
Why aren't we attacked by terrorists every week, or month or even every year?
Our security didn't get that much better. Our intel didn't get that much better. You guys who believe the gov't lies are fucked on this because you can't have it both ways. "Oh the dirty Al Qaeda attacked us, we have to live in continual fear... wait a minute, but we haven't been attacked since..."
So which is it? |
Your idea that the Gov't pulled off 9/11 does not work too well either, why haven't they attacked again?
I never have gone for the 'we are winning because we have not been attacked', logic.
Al Qaeda has a long long view of this war. They do not plan on quick victory. They also step up their attacks. Bigger and Bigger attacks. So, I'm sure any planning for a future attack would take time. For all we know people are training right now in the U.S. to learn and then take that learning and put it to work in an attack. Maybe right now they are recruiting pilots from the Middle East, EgyptAir...etc... to use actual pilots in an attack on us. Maybe they are gathering materials for a Nuclear, or Chemical, or Biological attack. The only thing we can be sure of is that Al Qaeda and Co. has people working overtime on plans to attack us.
I don't think continual fear is what we should be engaged in, just continued understanding of reality.
You have chosen your way of dealing with this. You deny it and blame some U.S. conspiracy. I imagine this comes from a wish that control can be had over terror. A sort of thinking that if the problem is here we can deal with it. A conspiracy we can uncover and all will be well, our fate is in our hands. The reality is our fate is not in our hands and control is not in our hands.
Or maybe you have chosen this false reality because your insane. |
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| ChaseDC |
and the amount of "reconstruction" of iraq is close to nil.
The plain and simple point is, they isn't a lot of good going on. Your experiences may be as limited as my friends'. It doesn't speak for what is going on in that country as a whole. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by RightWinger12
The reason we havn't had an attack on American soil, is because we have chosen to set the battle grounds over there. All the terrorist's money is being funneled over there. If we did not bring this fight to them(the one that they started first USS Cole then sep. 11) then trust that there would be a lot of damage done here on our homeland.
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...The "DC sniper" incident proved that just two morons with guns can paralyze a region for minimal cost. |
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| ChaseDC |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
...The "DC sniper" incident proved that just two morons with guns can paralyze a region for minimal cost. |
Yep. as someone who witnessed it and lived through it, i agree. The whole region was on edge.
Never did it stop me from doing everyday activities. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
I imagine this comes from a wish that control can be had over terror. A sort of thinking that if the problem is here we can deal with it. |
...intelligent/informed citizens don't worry much about so-called "terrorism". We know what and who is doing THE MOST damage to our country/future/honor/name/respect/families/children/health/wallets....
Republicon/corporate POLICY.
"I am a most unhappy man...The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." ~ Woodrow Wilson
"This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together." ~ Dwight Eisenhower |
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| RightWinger12 |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
...The "DC sniper" incident proved that just two morons with guns can paralyze a region for minimal cost. |
The goal of terrorist are to cause the most damage in one attack. A fool with a gun shooting people is more of a police issue. We will never be safe from a single person wanting to take his anger out on innocent people. The goal is to stop the organizations from planning major attacks that will impact our economic strength. This can only be done by showing the world that we are only interested in making it safer. I dont believe that if our country was occupied, Americans would result in blowing our own people up to make statements. This is a breed of people that dont care about human life. These people do not want peace. The project of making the world safer is more than a 3 year battle. Everyone must understand that it wont happen over night and pulling troops out before the job is done will make the situation worse than it was before we went in there. Readjustments to our plan of action are always needed. That is why we have military think tanks and many smart people that get paid a lot of money working on how to tweak the way in which we are going to obtain our goal. The enemy we are fighting have now uniforms or have no specific color skin. They blend in and strike fear in the surrounding civilians to keep quiet. They betray them by blowing there neighbors up and we Americans, trying to do what we think is right, pay for that. We have to be diligent in taking this battle to them and showing the few extremest that we arnt going to back down because of some bumps in the road. |
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| Hater |
Quote: Originally posted by RightWinger12
The goal of terrorist are to cause the most damage in one attack. A fool with a gun shooting people is more of a police issue. We will never be safe from a single person wanting to take his anger out on innocent people. The goal is to stop the organizations from planning major attacks that will impact our economic strength. This can only be done by showing the world that we are only interested in making it safer. I dont believe that if our country was occupied, Americans would result in blowing our own people up to make statements. This is a breed of people that dont care about human life. These people do not want peace. The project of making the world safer is more than a 3 year battle. Everyone must understand that it wont happen over night and pulling troops out before the job is done will make the situation worse than it was before we went in there. Readjustments to our plan of action are always needed. That is why we have military think tanks and many smart people that get paid a lot of money working on how to tweak the way in which we are going to obtain our goal. The enemy we are fighting have now uniforms or have no specific color skin. They blend in and strike fear in the surrounding civilians to keep quiet. They betray them by blowing there neighbors up and we Americans, trying to do what we think is right, pay for that. We have to be diligent in taking this battle to them and showing the few extremest that we arnt going to back down because of some bumps in the road. |
you're confusing the war on terror with the war in Iraq...that's the problem with you people... |
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| enimim |
Quote: Originally posted by RightWinger12
The goal of terrorist are to cause the most damage in one attack. A fool with a gun shooting people is more of a police issue. We will never be safe from a single person wanting to take his anger out on innocent people. The goal is to stop the organizations from planning major attacks that will impact our economic strength. This can only be done by showing the world that we are only interested in making it safer. I dont believe that if our country was occupied, Americans would result in blowing our own people up to make statements. This is a breed of people that dont care about human life. These people do not want peace. The project of making the world safer is more than a 3 year battle. Everyone must understand that it wont happen over night and pulling troops out before the job is done will make the situation worse than it was before we went in there. Readjustments to our plan of action are always needed. That is why we have military think tanks and many smart people that get paid a lot of money working on how to tweak the way in which we are going to obtain our goal. The enemy we are fighting have now uniforms or have no specific color skin. They blend in and strike fear in the surrounding civilians to keep quiet. They betray them by blowing there neighbors up and we Americans, trying to do what we think is right, pay for that. We have to be diligent in taking this battle to them and showing the few extremest that we arnt going to back down because of some bumps in the road. |
and what is "our goal"? |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by ChaseDC
Yep. as someone who witnessed it and lived through it, i agree. The whole region was on edge.
Never did it stop me from doing everyday activities. |
...so just extrapolate...in the world "Stoneballs the Inferior" paints, you'd think that out of the tens of millions of blood-thirsty Islamic Jihadists, a couple would have gone "off the reservation" by now, and veered off the "Master Plan", for a little individual martyrdom Stateside...like the DC morons, only combat-hardened and suicidal. Countless scenarios. And there's nothing that could prevent that.
...oh wait, I forgot, Bush the All-Knowing is in charge..."Mein Furhrer! Ich Leber!"... (heels *click*)... |
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| enimim |
Quote: Originally posted by Hater
you're confusing the war on terror with the war in Iraq...that's the problem with you people... |
aren't everyone on the right confusing it?! |
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| Stonewall |
Quote: Originally posted by RightWinger12
The goal of terrorist are to cause the most damage in one attack. A fool with a gun shooting people is more of a police issue. We will never be safe from a single person wanting to take his anger out on innocent people. The goal is to stop the organizations from planning major attacks that will impact our economic strength. This can only be done by showing the world that we are only interested in making it safer. I dont believe that if our country was occupied, Americans would result in blowing our own people up to make statements. This is a breed of people that dont care about human life. These people do not want peace. The project of making the world safer is more than a 3 year battle. Everyone must understand that it wont happen over night and pulling troops out before the job is done will make the situation worse than it was before we went in there. Readjustments to our plan of action are always needed. That is why we have military think tanks and many smart people that get paid a lot of money working on how to tweak the way in which we are going to obtain our goal. The enemy we are fighting have now uniforms or have no specific color skin. They blend in and strike fear in the surrounding civilians to keep quiet. They betray them by blowing there neighbors up and we Americans, trying to do what we think is right, pay for that. We have to be diligent in taking this battle to them and showing the few extremest that we arnt going to back down because of some bumps in the road. |
The American people do not have the patience to settle into a war of attrition, for years. While I respect your sacrifice it is perhaps a greater respect to change course and let the forces that be fight it out while U.S. forces perpares for other duties. This is a neverending enterprise.
The mission appears to me to be a Search and Destroy type mission. In that you search for the enemy and then destroy and then leave and move on allowing the enemy to re-occupy. This is causing a Vietnam type result. Having to re-take over and over the same ground. How many good Men do we throw at that problem? The troops are doing exactly as told and they are never losing, it is leadership that is causing this. It is bad planning from the start. It is a mis-use of the U.S. Military and mis-use | | | | | |
