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| otherone4life |
| before you copy and paste lies from the Drudge Report maybe you should do some research original poster |
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| Ass Boil |
You are aware the original poster is DOUCHE-HERE, aren't you?
The guy who immediately filled the void as forum retard when ironpirate got himself banned.
Pick ANY inanimate object in your house and I GUARANTEE it is smarter than DOUCHE-HERE. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
| He has been getting some stiff competition from some new idiots lately. Can he hold his title? |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
He has been getting some stiff competition from some new idiots lately. Can he hold his title? |
YES!
DOUCHE-HERE has a solid history of stupidity. Newer retaads like zimmie the pinhead and vegascoward don't have the dedication that he does to truly making every post a showcase of his idiocy.
I will never underestimate DH's ability to make a complete fool out of himself. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Sounds like Marv Albert! "YES !!!! and the Knicks quietly assume a 3 point lead"
Well this forum is for entertainment purposes only! So let them entertain us. |
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| AcquiringSignal |
Quote: Originally posted by Turd_Cutter
From The Washington Post:
"Gore participates in a utility program that sells blocks of "green power" for an extra $4 a month. Gore purchases 108 such blocks every month, covering 16,200 kilowatt-hours and helping subsidize renewable energy sources."
The Gore home, which is 10,000 square feet (the average new home is 2,400 square feet) used 191,000 kilowatt hours in 2006 according to the energy bill, which averages out to 15,916.66 per month. If he is paying an extra $432 in "green power" that essentially offsets 16,200 kilowatt hours consumed, how is he not erasing his environmental impact? He uses an average of 15,916.66 kilowatt hours and yet is off-setting MORE than that!
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Here is the proof!
What does that feel like Republicans that ALL your newcasters , radio personalities & newspaper writers NEED to lie to you!
How in the world if you really cared about the truth and you werent a sheep, how could you still listen to a word they say?
Everything is a lie with spin! That is the difference with the Republican Party of 2007 from the Vietnam War years. They now have Fake Radio & Fake TV Stations to spin anything and everything.
They KNOW they have retarded followers that dont care they are lied too, they need everything in "bump sticker length" comebacks and descriptions to everything! Even though they are 85% LIES.
How does that make you feel after you find out "your source" LIES to you? Lie on this, The war, everything & anything!
You have 1 TV New Station saying one thing and EVERYOTHER News Station around the world saying something totally different. :rolleyes: |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by AcquiringSignal
Here is the proof!
What does that feel like Republicans that ALL your newcasters , radio personalities & newspaper writers NEED to lie to you!
How in the world if you really cared about the truth and you werent a sheep, how could you still listen to a word they say?
Everything is a lie with spin! That is the difference with the Republican Party of 2007 from the Vietnam War years. They now have Fake Radio & Fake TV Stations to spin anything and everything.
They KNOW they have retarded followers that dont care they are lied too, they need everything in "bump sticker length" comebacks and descriptions to everything! Even though they are 85% LIES.
How does that make you feel after you find out "your source" LIES to you? Lie on this, The war, everything & anything!
You have 1 TV New Station saying one thing and EVERYOTHER News Station around the world saying something totally different. :rolleyes: |
nice emotional rant...but prove that repubs are wrong about al gore ..please show us..he has a 20 square foot house ...he has to heat it and have it run..where are his solar panels ..E |
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| Oz |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
nice emotional rant...but prove that repubs are wrong about al gore ..please show us..he has a 20 square foot house ...he has to heat it and have it run..where are his solar panels ..E |
are you really this dumb? someone makes up a lie - then you say prove its not a lie :scratch: |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
nice emotional rant...but prove that repubs are wrong about al gore ..please show us..he has a 20 square foot house ...he has to heat it and have it run..where are his solar panels ..E |
YOU posted the article that proved this nonsense to be false, you blind, stupid fuck!
Were you in a drug induced haze again? Do you have a multiple personality disorder?
And please explain in detail how Gore's carbon credits are different from the pollution credits you free market fucks use as environmental policy for all your polluting corporate friends....
Can't wait for your retarded answer. |
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| angrychink |
Quote: Originally posted by Oz
are you really this dumb? someone makes up a lie - then you say prove its not a lie :scratch: |
yes
make up shit, then complain about it
a common repuke practice |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
YOU posted the article that proved this nonsense to be false, you blind, stupid fuck!
Were you in a drug induced haze again? Do you have a multiple personality disorder?
And please explain in detail how Gore's carbon credits are different from the pollution credits you free market fucks use as environmental policy for all your polluting corporate friends....
Can't wait for your retarded answer. |
incorrect..at the end it pointed out that al gore should be more green |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
YOU posted the article that proved this nonsense to be false, you blind, stupid fuck!
Were you in a drug induced haze again? Do you have a multiple personality disorder?
And please explain in detail how Gore's carbon credits are different from the pollution credits you free market fucks use as environmental policy for all your polluting corporate friends....
Can't wait for your retarded answer. |
incorrect..at the end it pointed out that al gore should be more green |
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| angrychink |
dude
look at KO's vid
again, you make up shit, then complain about it
really, get informed before you post
it makes you look less ignorantly uninformed |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
dude
look at KO's vid
again, you make up shit, then complain about it
really, get informed before you post
it makes you look less ignorantly uninformed |
the green switch...ok..but he is still using more than 20 times the average...oh..i see since it is green he can waste as much as he wants ahhhh..sorry |
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| erik28com |
The people that run the conservative movement are geniuses.
They have actually been able to get white guys that are struggling to get by to ignore their economic situation and focus on helping the rich by denying global warming and the estate tax.
I mean you have to admit that is an amazing accomplishment. |
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| angrychink |
20 x the average
given he has 20 rooms, seems you're just bullshitting with numbers
for what reason?
and the fact that he pays more to make it green, that fact simply eludes stupid ignorant motherfuckers like you?
really, what the fuck is wrong with you? |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
incorrect..at the end it pointed out that al gore should be more green |
You dumbfuck!
ONE guy said that AFTER the preceeding 95% of the article debunked most of your original post!
And I didn't catch your answer to my question, idiot.... HOW are Gore's carbon credits different than the pollution credits that polluting corporations are allowed to purchase from non-polluting companies? |
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| angrychink |
really
only a repuke could make up shit like....
complain about a person having a 20 room house, but having a bill thats 20 x the average bill
only a stupid fucking repuke |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by erik28com
The people that run the conservative movement are geniuses.
They have actually been able to get white guys that are struggling to get by to ignore their economic situation and focus on helping the rich by denying global warming and the estate tax.
I mean you have to admit that is an amazing accomplishment. |
the estate tax ? in california the estate tax would make many people homeless who are the working class...le me esplane tu ju ...homes here cost between in LA 600k and up
the estate tax would start at 650k..so if you have a home worth over that..they would be forced to sell the home in order to pay the taxes on it...if they are gonna have an estate tax then it should be at a graduated rate depending on the state...but if the estate tax would happen the way dems want it too than people would just movetheir money to another country andthen you lose all the tax revenue instead of just some ...
why do you hate people who work hard so much |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
You dumbfuck!
ONE guy said that AFTER the preceeding 95% of the article debunked most of your original post!
And I didn't catch your answer to my question, idiot.... HOW are Gore's carbon credits different than the pollution credits that polluting corporations are allowed to purchase from non-polluting companies? |
dude...carbon credits are such bullshit ..i can waste here because i don't waste there
nigga please |
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| angrychink |
| how do you get carbon credits? |
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| Oz |
anyone missing the point here that the story was bullshit and that gore actually paid MORE money in order to use more eco-friendly energy? He is no hypocrite?
Ok, continue to argue about a moot point that has been proven bullshit - its hilarious |
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| angrychink |
the best is:
gore has a 20 room house/mansion
and he is paying 20 x the average bill
no shit sherlock |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
how do you get carbon credits? |
i think it has to do with waste
george clooney just did a movie a little bit ago where he claimed to have carbon credits on the making of his film..i remember reading that it was like wasting here but not wasting there.. |
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| angrychink |
so, you're bitching about people receiving carbon credits
how many carbon credits have you got?
bitch? |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
so, you're bitching about people receiving carbon credits
how many carbon credits have you got?
bitch? |
no, i am bitching about the fact that carbon credits are bullshit
waste is waste |
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| angrychink |
ah...
so, while you're making a claim that...the gore mansion (which has 20 rooms)
is 20 times the average household
then you complain that carbon credits are a waste
got it
really, how fucking stupid and ignorant are you? |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
dude...carbon credits are such bullshit ..i can waste here because i don't waste there
nigga please |
So what you are saying is Bush's "clear skies act" is bullshit, right? Because according to your cult leader it "clears the skies" when you allow polluting companies to buy pollution credits from non-polluting companies.... He wouldn't lie to you, would he?
If Gore knows how much carbon his lifestyle produces and he pours an equivalent amount of money into renewable energy, how is that different? Isn't that the type of PRIVATE funding of renewable energy you conservative cunts are in favor of? |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
ah...
so, while you're making a claim that...the gore mansion (which has 20 rooms)
is 20 times the average household
then you complain that carbon credits are a waste
got it
really, how fucking stupid and ignorant are you? |
yea ...you got it ..now go suck al penis |
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| Halcyon |
| Is it normal to feel like I've lost another IQ point simply by reading DUDE-HERE's posts? |
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| angrychink |
then
the repuke problem of fictitious homo erotic fantasy
dang you repukes are a fucked up bunch
while you post TOTAL BULLSHIT like....20 times?
hahaha what a stupid fucking asshole you are |
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| angrychink |
really dude
just put down the bong
and kill yourself
you're not helping the republican party |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by angrychink
then
the repuke problem of fictitious homo erotic fantasy
dang you repukes are a fucked up bunch
while you post TOTAL BULLSHIT like....20 times?
hahaha what a stupid fucking asshole you are |
erotic fantasy ...how you get that ?
if i had a nickle everytime one of you idiots told me i was sucking bush's cock....i would have alot of nickles |
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| angrychink |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
yea ...you got it ..now go suck al penis |
you WERE just fucking high when you posted this stupid shit, weren't you? |
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| angrychink |
really dude
just kill yourself |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by FatesWebb
huh? ok so it happens every year, you have this because plants go dormant during the winter, and they are not sucking down carbons... while they are dormant, then in the summer when they are not dormant they are sucking down the carbons, which causes the effect you mention on a yearly basis... sorta like the earth taking a yearly breath....
other than that there have only been 2 warming periods in the past 300 thousand years. and they were nothing compared to third one that has happened in the last 15 years. record temperatures across the board, actually the top 10 record temperatures have all happened in the last 15 years. |
Those 'top ten recod temps' are only since records have been kept. Additionally, the MWP WAS warmer than the current period. That is what the vast majority of studies have found. The Vikings lived/farmed and prospered on Greenland for a few hundred years, before the LIA hit. Not to mention the cyclical effects of the Sun and cosmic rays.
Quote: Originally posted by FatesWebb
which yes they can tell the temperature 300 thousand years ago by sampling the ice from very low, since the ice was layed down in layers year after year.. sorta like a trees rings. they drill down for samples and then analize it for oxygen, carbon etc, and they can tell the temperature at that time as well as the carbon content etc....
Your in denial. that is the "inconvenient" part of "an inconvenient truth"
FW |
Who has taken over FW's account??? He has gone from one of his more sensible positions (global realist) to global alarmist....interesting. |
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| Ass Boil |
LOL
Global "realist"
Now Mike is using his made up terms as if they have meaning..... |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by erik28com
The people that run the conservative movement are geniuses.
They have actually been able to get white guys that are struggling to get by to ignore their economic situation and focus on helping the rich by denying global warming and the estate tax.
I mean you have to admit that is an amazing accomplishment. |
LOL....sorry, recent studies have shown that spending money to combat 'global warming' will do nothing but hurt the poor.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/edito...ml?id=110008626
| Quote: In 2004, he invited eight of the world's top economists--including four Nobel Laureates--to Copenhagen, where they were asked to evaluate the world's problems, think of the costs and efficiencies attached to solving each, and then produce a prioritized list of those most deserving of money. The well-publicized results (and let it be said here that Mr. Lomborg is no slouch when it comes to promoting himself and his work) were stunning. While the economists were from varying political stripes, they largely agreed. The numbers were just so compelling: $1 spent preventing HIV/AIDS would result in about $40 of social benefits, so the economists put it at the top of the list (followed by malnutrition, free trade and malaria). In contrast, $1 spent to abate global warming would result in only about two cents to 25 cents worth of good; so that project dropped to the bottom. |
Since corporations ultimately don't pay taxes, who exactly do you think will end up paying the precious carbon tax the alarmists are so in love with.??
All it takes is the sheeple in the masses to buy into the alarmism, and before they know it, everyone is 'paying' for more government which does NOTHING but disguise the most recent theft of taxpayer money as helping the environment....Its the one thing government is great at...finding reasons and implementing policies to remove people from their money, all for no ones benefit but the politicians and their power.
I mean you have to admit that is an amazing accomplishment. |
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| Ass Boil |
| Then who is paying for your unnecessary war that you defend everyday? |
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| erik28com |
| Quote: the estate tax ? in california the estate tax would make many people homeless who are the working class |
From the California State Controllers website: "Effective January 1, 2005, the state death tax credit has been eliminated"
The federal tax starts at 5 million dollars. So yes you are fighting for multimillionaires and billionaires. They thank you.
But hey. Don't let facts discourage you. Move on to whatever the next "issue" is that people a million times richer then you are want you to advocate.
Oh and don't bother reading this http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/view/3309/1/163
It tells you that the estate tax repeal is being championed by the 18 wealthiest families. PLEASE keep advocating for them. For the love of god do you want their children to only be able to own 5 private jets as opposed to 8?!?!?!?
Also the oil companies need you to continue advocating their policies. They've only had record profits recently.
And without your advocation and millions like yourself they could not possibly get their way in a democratic society. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
Since corporations ultimately don't pay taxes, I mean you have to admit that is an amazing accomplishment. |
What Fantasy Island stop did you pick this up from???
It joins a long list of MORONISMS
"Germany wasn't a threat"
" Facts don't matter"
"The Boston College Faculty is all liberals"
Sad world you live in LIEMASTER. No tell us that the FED has a cure for stopping theChinese from playing with our economy like a cat with a pice of yarn?
O YEAH MIKEY.............................................................................................................19 MONTHS LEFT !
Chew on that !
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by erik28com
From the California State Controllers website: "Effective January 1, 2005, the state death tax credit has been eliminated"
The federal tax starts at 5 million dollars. So yes you are fighting for multimillionaires and billionaires. They thank you.
But hey. Don't let facts discourage you. Move on to whatever the next "issue" is that people a million times richer then you are want you to advocate.
Oh and don't bother reading this http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/view/3309/1/163
It tells you that the estate tax repeal is being championed by the 18 wealthiest families. PLEASE keep advocating for them. For the love of god do you want their children to only be able to own 5 private jets as opposed to 8?!?!?!?
Also the oil companies need you to continue advocating their policies. They've only had record profits recently.
And without your advocation and millions like yourself they could not possibly get their way in a democratic society. |
Don't you DARE question Mike's intentions! They have one computer for the whole family to share by CHOICE!
Just like Warren Buffet! |
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| Reed Rothchild |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
LOL....sorry, recent studies have shown that spending money to combat 'global warming' will do nothing but hurt the poor.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/edito...ml?id=110008626
Since corporations ultimately don't pay taxes, who exactly do you think will end up paying the precious carbon tax the alarmists are so in love with.??
All it takes is the sheeple in the masses to buy into the alarmism, and before they know it, everyone is 'paying' for more government which does NOTHING but disguise the most recent theft of taxpayer money as helping the environment....Its the one thing government is great at...finding reasons and implementing policies to remove people from their money, all for no ones benefit but the politicians and their power.
I mean you have to admit that is an amazing accomplishment. |
Wow, this guy has some great ideas, we should immediately pass legislation outlawing all spending and research on "global warming". Now, on to the HIV/AIDS prevention, this 1 dollar spent for 40 dollar benefit is for Abstinence only education right? Cause we all know condoms and other contraceptives are not effective at preventing the spread of STD's. Especially in Africa, they really go for the Christian style monogamy and abstinence before marriage. |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by Reed Rothchild
Wow, this guy has some great ideas, we should immediately pass legislation outlawing all spending and research on "global warming". Now, on to the HIV/AIDS prevention, this 1 dollar spent for 40 dollar benefit is for Abstinence only education right? Cause we all know condoms and other contraceptives are not effective at preventing the spread of STD's. Especially in Africa, they really go for the Christian style monogamy and abstinence before marriage. |
He said that money spent to abate global warming was far far far less efficient than money spent on other pressing issues. Had you actually read the entire piece, you might have noticed this explanation later:
| Quote: Not that Mr. Lomborg doesn't think global warming is a problem--he does. But he lays out the facts. "The proposed way of fixing this--to drastically reduce carbon emissions now and to solve a 100-year problem in a 10-year time frame, is just a bad idea. You do fairly little good at a fairly high price. It makes more sense to solve the 100-year problem in a 50-year time frame, and solve the 10-year problems, like HIV-AIDS, in a five-year time frame. That makes sense, and is the smart way to spend money." |
Where did he talk about global warming research??
THe article also didn't mention what specifically the money spent on aids/HIV meant. Your presumption, based on your preconceptions and bias's is most likely incorrect.
Facts are facts...the study, which included numerous Nobel economists found that spending to stop or 'solve' global warming is essentially money wasted. |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by erik28com
From the California State Controllers website: "Effective January 1, 2005, the state death tax credit has been eliminated"
The federal tax starts at 5 million dollars. So yes you are fighting for multimillionaires and billionaires. They thank you.
But hey. Don't let facts discourage you. Move on to whatever the next "issue" is that people a million times richer then you are want you to advocate.
Oh and don't bother reading this http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/view/3309/1/163
It tells you that the estate tax repeal is being championed by the 18 wealthiest families. PLEASE keep advocating for them. For the love of god do you want their children to only be able to own 5 private jets as opposed to 8?!?!?!?
Also the oil companies need you to continue advocating their policies. They've only had record profits recently.
And without your advocation and millions like yourself they could not possibly get their way in a democratic society. |
I don't care if the richest people in the world are fighting the to end the estate tax....it should end. It is immoral, and simply ANOTHER method that your precious government uses to steal money from individuals for their own power and redistribution schemes.
Quite telling that you ignored the bulk of my post and simply went on your useless rant about the estate tax. |
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| Timmy |
| Why is it any less moral than any other tax? |
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| NCMike06 |
Lots of things to address here:
First of all, the nonsense about this being a 'false story' . The information about Gores electric bills came from PUBLIC RECORDS of actual bills paid. Also, Gore's camp has not DENIED the numbers at all, all they attempted to do was justify the largess, and explain away the hypocrisy. Not to mention that nothing in this article even referenced Gore's other couple of houses, or private jet excursions.
Secondly, lets take a close look at the supposedly free market 'carbon offsets' all the socialists on this board are suddenly so fond of:
Apparently, according to the article Dude linked that the leftbots are screaming debunks the original story, there is this little nugget:
| Quote: Gore helped found Generation Investment Management, through which he and others pay for offsets. The firm invests the money in solar, wind and other projects that reduce energy consumption around the globe, she said. |
- she would be the spokesperson for Gore, Kalee Krider.
Seems that Gore is the chairman of this company:
http://www.generationim.com/about/team.html
So lets get this straight...Gore buys his carbon offsets from a company that he co-founded, and is still the chairman of?? LOL. In other words, he is taking money from his rightpocket, and stuffing it into his left pocket. On the journey between pockets, he suckers willing dupes and apologists to buy into his 'carbon offset' nonsense. And there is more.... That company Generation, is invested in numerous 'green energy' companies.
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/d...1-07-000053.txt
Now, which companies will benefit from when Gore's alarmist drivel is swallowed by the masses?? THose companies who promote all the green/envir products. Ultimately, who benefits?? You guessed it, AL Gore, via the company that Al Gore co founded and is chairman of.
So what is fed to the apologists and the alarmist sheeple (that would be you AB, as an example) as Gore being environmentally conscious, and 'walking the walk', is just really another leftwing hypocrite in it for the cash, and easily fooling the leftbots.
Finally, a word on 'carbon offsets' Gore, and people of his ilk parade around all over the country, use gobs and gobs of energy, and pacify their guilt and hypocrisy by buying 'carbon offsets'. How many people, ie the masses, have the ability to purchase these 'carbon offsets'? What Gore and his kind are saying is ' I can use all the energy I want, because I can afford 'carbon offsets' While I exect you poorer people to walk the walk that I can't and conserve, conserve, conserve.' |
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| Timmy |
| carbon offsets are a scam. I can drive an huge wasteful SUV if I buy up some credits!!! Howz about not driving the SUV!!!!!!! |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by Timmy
carbon offsets are a scam. I can drive an huge wasteful SUV if I buy up some credits!!! Howz about not driving the SUV!!!!!!! |
It can be an especially profitable scam....just as AlGore. |
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| Reed Rothchild |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
He said that money spent to abate global warming was far far far less efficient than money spent on other pressing issues. Had you actually read the entire piece, you might have noticed this explanation later:
Where did he talk about global warming research??
THe article also didn't mention what specifically the money spent on aids/HIV meant. Your presumption, based on your preconceptions and bias's is most likely incorrect.
Facts are facts...the study, which included numerous Nobel economists found that spending to stop or 'solve' global warming is essentially money wasted. |
I did read the whole thing. As part of my education as a young conservative however, I was disagreeing with the part of the article where he says that he thinks global warming is a problem. If there is "global warming", it can be fixed, like most other problems (poverty, homelessness, abortion, drugs, terrorism) through various faith based initiatives. The Bible doesn't say anything about global warming, so it can't exist, so we shouldn't spend any of our tax dollars on this junk "science".
As for HIV funding, yes, I did notice there was no mention of how the money could be spent to receive the benefit. I was only pointing out that there is only one true and proven method to prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS: teaching abstinence and spreading the good news of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. |
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| gofyaself |
http://americablog.blogspot.com/200...and-others.html
A few days ago, a small "organization" no one had ever heard of got their hands on Al Gore's utility bill. And, not surprising for a man who lives in a large home, Gore's bill was a lot of money. The "organization" claimed that Gore was a hypocrite for proclaiming the need to address Global Warming while living in a 20-room home.
Huh?
Since when was it a crime, or even in poor taste, in America to do well and live in a nice home - and since when did Al Gore lecture anyone on the need to buy smaller homes? (Sure, it fits into the conservative smear about rich liberals being hypocrites, because somehow we're all supposed to be poor Capuchin monks, but that's neither true nor news.) But, no one was claiming that Gore was wasteful with his energy use. No one was claiming that Gore didn't try to "greenify" his home (he did). What they were claiming was that Al Gore lived in a large home and thus had a high energy bill. Uh, yeah. And?
So how exactly is this story news? Simply because some out-of-nowhere "organization" just happens to attack Al Gore a few days after his documentary gets the Oscar? Gee, some conicidence there. And in fact, contrary to the implication that Gore was sloppy with his own energy use - which would be news - Gore has been doing exactly what he preached:
| Quote: The vice president has done that, Kreider argues, and the family tries to offset that carbon footprint by purchasing their power through the local Green Power Switch program -- electricity generated through renewable resources such as solar, wind, and methane gas, which create less waste and pollution. "In addition, they are in the midst of installing solar panels on their home, which will enable them to use less power," Kreider added. "They also use compact fluorescent bulbs and other energy efficiency measures and then they purchase offsets for their carbon emissions to bring their carbon footprint down to zero." |
Now, ABC will argue that there is a controversy here and they're simply reporting both sides. Gee, thanks. But the first rule of journalism, in my book at least, isn't whether there's a controversy, it's whether there's a story. You can't legitimiately do a he-said-she-said when you know that there's no there-there. In this story, the complaint on its face, that Al Gore lives in a 20-room house, is bogus, unless Al Gore has been lecturing people about the need to live in smaller houses - and he hasn't, to my knowledge, nor do the stories say otherwise.
To reiterate a point made by ABC's own Mark Halperin a few years back:
| Quote: We have a responsibility to hold both sides accountable to the public interest, but that doesn't mean we reflexively and artificially hold both sides "equally" accountable when the facts don't warrant that. |
The attack on Al Gore is the equivalent of the "have you stopped beating your wife" allegation. It's not news, and it's not fair and balanced, simply because you report the views of the slanderer and the victim, especially when you know that the only thing people in the middle will take away from the story is a scent of scandal that blackens Gore's good name. |
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| hingefactor |
Press release from a group nobody has ever heard of.
It's funny how in all the BS about this, it's an afterthought about where he gets his electricity.
Solar, Wind, Methane (phew).
End of story.
You folks that are buying into us need to spend a little more time researching the info and it's sources before you start your trashing. |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by hingefactor
Press release from a group nobody has ever heard of.
It's funny how in all the BS about this, it's an afterthought about where he gets his electricity.
Solar, Wind, Methane (phew).
End of story.
You folks that are buying into us need to spend a little more time researching the info and it's sources before you start your trashing. |
LOL...his power comes from the TVA, which uses Coal to generate electricity !! LOL
No comment about the fact that he buys his 'carbon offsets' from a company he started and is chairman of?? |
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| hingefactor |
Hey, you folks that are obsessing on something that you probably don't know any more about then I do from a bit of reading on the internet. If the whole fricken world wastes time debating the cause of global warming, rather then heeding the warning that the oceans may very well rise 18 to 37 inches in the next 100 years, and we don't start planning for that possibility, then most of our coastal regions are gonna be destroyed.
Warnings were ignored about the levies in New Orleans, and look what happened there. |
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| Timmy |
Quote: Originally posted by gofyaself
http://americablog.blogspot.com/200...and-others.html
A few days ago, a small "organization" no one had ever heard of got their hands on Al Gore's utility bill. And, not surprising for a man who lives in a large home, Gore's bill was a lot of money. The "organization" claimed that Gore was a hypocrite for proclaiming the need to address Global Warming while living in a 20-room home.
Huh?
Since when was it a crime, or even in poor taste, in America to do well and live in a nice home - and since when did Al Gore lecture anyone on the need to buy smaller homes?:
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Its not a crime to have a big home. Its also not a crime to drive a big as SUV. I have no problem if you buy either, just dont lecture me about how bad big SUV's are and how we all should be conserving bla bla bla.
Looking at Al Gore it seems that environmentalism is fine...cause it doesnt "inconveinent" him in any way. Live in a modest home if you want to impress me. |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by hingefactor
Hey, you folks that are obsessing on something that you probably don't know any more about then I do from a bit of reading on the internet. If the whole fricken world wastes time debating the cause of global warming, rather then heeding the warning that the oceans may very well rise 18 to 37 inches in the next 100 years, and we don't start planning for that possibility, then most of our coastal regions are gonna be destroyed.
Warnings were ignored about the levies in New Orleans, and look what happened there. |
According to the latest IPCC summaty, the ocean level increase (over the next 100 years) prediciton has been lowered (again) to 8-17 inches. By the way, 8 inches per 100 years is about the average.
Its nothing out of the ordinary. But why does AlGore claim 20 feet in his movie?? |
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| hingefactor |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
LOL...his power comes from the TVA, which uses Coal to generate electricity !! LOL
No comment about the fact that he buys his 'carbon offsets' from a company he started and is chairman of?? |
Hey everybody, I just read something on the internet. It has to be true. Therefore, I am an expert. I know everything about the TVA, environmental science and Al Gore. Weeeeeeeeee.... |
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| hingefactor |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
According to the latest IPCC summaty, the ocean level increase (over the next 100 years) prediciton has been lowered (again) to 8-17 inches. By the way, 8 inches per 100 years is about the average.
Its nothing out of the ordinary. But why does AlGore claim 20 feet in his movie?? |
If what you just wrote ( 8 inches per 100 years) is true, we all would be under water right now. Please... |
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| Abba |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
Why am I odd? I agree with his views on Global Warming... but I think the fucker should practice what he preaches? What's so fucking odd about that?
Now I'm hearing the story is false... so maybe he is practicing what he preaches.....
*shrug*
It's ok to not comprehend English, but you should probably go get your green card instead of acting like a fake gangsta eith your pussy looking friends in the rough and tumble world of "Las Vegas" :rolleyes: |
The fucker practices what he preaches. I love how some read something and base their opinion on it, even when it may be fiction or only a part of the story.
Do people REALLY think Al Gore is so stupid as to take up the mantle of Environmentalism without making sure he and his family practiced what he preached? The fact of the matter is that Al Gore is WEALTHY. His bill is 20x the amount of avg Americans because his HOUSE IS 20X THE SIZE OF NORMAL AMERICANS.
He does pay for green energy, he also helps fund renewable energy programs from wind and solar power to offset his carbon footprint, which you can calculate for yourself at:
http://www.climatecrisis.net/takeac...rboncalculator/ |
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| Abba |
Quote: Originally posted by Timmy
Its not a crime to have a big home. Its also not a crime to drive a big as SUV. I have no problem if you buy either, just dont lecture me about how bad big SUV's are and how we all should be conserving bla bla bla.
Looking at Al Gore it seems that environmentalism is fine...cause it doesnt "inconveinent" him in any way. Live in a modest home if you want to impress me. |
No, why should he? He lives in a big home and STILL manages to be green. His energy comes from GREEN sources. You're telling me that he should buy and live in a hut??? That's retarded. |
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| Ass Boil |
Why does free market puppet Mike hate the market based idea of carbon offsets?
Does he hate Bush's "Clear Skies Act" that allows polluting companies to buy pollution "credits" (offsets) from non polluting companies?
my guess is no. |
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| AcquiringSignal |
Quote: Originally posted by hingefactor
Hey everybody, I just read something on the internet. It has to be true. Therefore, I am an expert. I know everything about the TVA, environmental science and Al Gore. Weeeeeeeeee.... |
Read??
I dont think these guys read anything they post. I think they go on some Republican message board, read the topic or maybe just (copy & paste) the topics with the most posts.
Over here. |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
Why does free market puppet Mike hate the market based idea of carbon offsets?
Does he hate Bush's "Clear Skies Act" that allows polluting companies to buy pollution "credits" (offsets) from non polluting companies?
my guess is no. |
The pollution credits are a good short term or stopgap solution, but nothing more. Less pollution is the answer, not allowing one entity to pollute just because some other entity doesn't. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
LOL...carbon offsets....thats the Gore way of saying...I can't pratice what I preach, so I'll buy 'carbon offsets' instead.
What does Gore do in his other 2 mansions???? Are they heated and cooled when he is not there?? How much land is wasted by those mansions while he is not there??
How many private planes has he flown in since leaving the VP office?? Wonder if he took a limo to the Oscars last nite?? |
How about that vacation resort in Kennebunkport and the farm in Crawford, Texas?
Do they have solar panels?? |
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| Timmy |
Quote: Originally posted by Abba
No, why should he? He lives in a big home and STILL manages to be green. His energy comes from GREEN sources. You're telling me that he should buy and live in a hut??? That's retarded. |
Darryl Hannah does! She really puts up when it comes to being green. You act like Gore HAS to live in a mansion. He does not. He chooses too. Good for him, just dont lecture me about wasteful habits of us americans. |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
Why does free market puppet Mike hate the market based idea of carbon offsets?
Does he hate Bush's "Clear Skies Act" that allows polluting companies to buy pollution "credits" (offsets) from non polluting companies?
my guess is no. |
It is irrelevant to the discussion of ALGore essentially lining his pockets buying 'credits' from an organization he is the Chairman of, who, btw, invest and benefit in those companies who have the most to benefit from all of Gore's alarmism. Best of all, Gore fools the willing dupes like you into believing he is actually doing something positive for the environment, when in actuality, he is just lining his pockets.
If he wants to preach about all the supposed evils of CO2 emissions, he should lower his 'carbon footprint' ... its as simple as that. All he is doing is fooling people and possibly assuaging his own guilt (I don't believe he has any guilt) with this carbon offset nonsense.
Not to mention the FACT that in the liberal '2 America's' there is one America who can't afford Gore's carbon offsets...I guess they are supposed to walk the walk for AL and the ret of the upperclass leftwing hypocrites who feel free to pollute at an enormous rate, preach conservation, and purchase their absolution, while the grunt work is left to the masses.....
If companies want to trade carbon credits, more power to them. As long as its legal, they can do whatever floats their boat. However, there is NO EVIDENCE it will make ANY DIFFERENCE concerning the global climate. None. And the European example has exposed the cap/offsett nonsense for what it really is....nonsense. |
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Green commisars
Jerome Schmitt
The news of Al Gore's hypocrisy in paying his own company for "carbon credits" to offset his enormous personal "carbon footprint" may be startling, but upon reflection should not be a surprise. In the spotlight twice with his celebrity pals at the academy awards, one can gain some insight into Gore's Hollywood view of ecology by taking note of Cameron Diaz's MTV Show entitled Trippin (short for eco-tripping) which is dissected marvelously by Marc Maranoh here
In this program Ms. Diaz and her A-list celebrity friends literally drop in by helicopter for short visits to remote locations in third-world countries such as Bhutan and Nepal in order to marvel at the pristine natural environments and lament about the first-world's alleged eco-crimes. Whenever the impoverished denizens of these locales are noticed, it is to compliment them on their primitive lifestyle that is inherently "close-to-nature". Lack of indoor plumbing is notable only as occasion for adolescent humor. Being MTV, there is, of course, no uncomfortable discussion of the extreme poverty, lack of nutrition and healthcare, and unmet aspirations for a better life of the unfortunate natives. And of course the MTV cohort rides the helicopter out after a day or so to return to extreme VIP luxury in Hollywood, Las Vegas or Manhattan, luxury that is well-documented for their adoring fans in other MTV shows.
The extreme and blatant condescension on display by Ms. Diaz et al for her fellow humans is, of course, acceptable to her young fans because they feel they partake vicariously in her desire to preserve the globe for her celebrity-lifestyle. What probably escapes the audience is that she and Al Gore have an even greater condescension for Americans.
Gore et al want to drop in by Gulf-Stream jet to the hinterland of North America and dictate back-to-nature lifestyles for example by banning internal combustion engines. Not sufficiently intelligent to discern any connection between their own wealth and that of their fellow-Americans, they feel free to blithely proscribe carbon-taxes and other measures that will cripple the economy. What of their own duty to share in the pain and reduce their own eco-load on the environment? With a nod to George Orwell's Animal Farm, it would appear that in respect of duty to reduce the nation's carbon-budget, everyone is equal except that some are more equal than others.
Update:
Picture standing next to his private plane, super-rich environmentalist Douglas Tompkins is reported in this TIME article The "Ugly American Environmentalist" as saying:
"Environmental problems arise from the mistaken notion that humans come first. They have to come second; this has not sunk in to the political and social leadership."
Somehow I doubt Tompkins or Gore or Laurie David place themselves second-in-line for any creature comforts afforded by the modern world. |
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| kali |
there's all sorts of homes that a person could live in that are earth-friendly. For many years I have been interested in the"tire" home made with tires, earth and recycled material.
another Earthship site.
and for those who think such a home can't be beautiful and economic (as in resale value) here is dennis weaver's EarthShip house, which is up for sale at $3,300,000
why are people concentrating on what ONE guy is doing. how about looking at what YOU are doing or not doing and do some research on what you SHOULD be doing. we need to be responsible while we live on this planet. |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by kali
why are people concentrating on what ONE guy is doing. how about looking at what YOU are doing or not doing and do some research on what you SHOULD be doing. we need to be responsible while we live on this planet. |
Because that ONE MAN, is the leading proponent of telling everyone how they should live, attempting to make everyone feel guilty about how they live, and trying to scare people into buying into alarmist propaganda concerning the environment. While he himself can't walk the walk he preaches to everyone else, AND he is profiting from his deceptions.
If Gore wants the focus removed from himself, he should stop lying, and start living as he preaches. Its just that simple. |
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| NCMike06 |
AB...no response to the fact that ALGore is padding his own pockets and fooling willing dupes like you with his carbon offset fraud?????? If that wer Cheney, you would have popped a vessel by now... :burst:
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| zimmie |
| Poor AB, he's on another thread in a frenzy about my military career, he's got no time to defend this hypocrite Gore. I wonder which of these green companies are subsidizing Gore's purchase of carbon offsets. |
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| NCMike06 |
http://www.suntimes.com/news/steyn/...STEYN04.article
Quote: How Gore's massive energy consumption saves the world
March 4, 2007
BY MARK STEYN Sun-Times Columnist
Stop me if you've heard this before, but the other day the Rev. Al Gore declared that "climate change" was "the most important moral, ethical, spiritual and political issue humankind has ever faced.'' Ever. I believe that was the same day it was revealed that George W. Bush's ranch in Texas is more environmentally friendly than the Gore mansion in Tennessee. According to the Nashville Electric Service, the Eco-Messiah's house uses 20 times more electricity than the average American home. The average household consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours. In 2006, the Gores wolfed down nearly 221,000 kilowatt-hours.
Two hundred twenty-one thousand kilowatt-hours? What's he doing in there? Clamping Tipper to the electrodes and zapping her across the rec room every night? No, no, don't worry. Al's massive energy consumption is due entirely to his concern about the way we're depleting the Earth's resources. When I say "we," I don't mean Al, of course. I mean you -- yes, you, Earl Schlub, in the basement apartment at 29 Elm St. You're irresponsibly depleting the Earth's resources by using that electric washer when you could be down by the river with the native women beating your loin cloth dry on the rock while singing traditional village work chants all morning long. But up at the Gore mansion -- the Nashville Electric Service's own personal gold mine, the shining Cathedral of St. Al, Tennessee's very own Palace of Versal -- the Reverend Al is being far more environmentally responsible. As his spokesperson attempted to argue, his high energy usage derives from his brave calls for low energy usage. He's burning up all that electricity by sending out faxes every couple of minutes urging you to use less electricity.
Also he buys -- and if you're a practicing Ecopalyptic please prostrate yourself before the Recycling Bin and make the sign of the HDPE -- Al buys "carbon offsets," or "carbon credits." Or, as his spokesperson Kalee Kreider put it (and, incidentally, speaking through a spokesperson is another way Al dramatically reduces his own emissions), the Gores "also do the carbon emissions offset."
They do the Carbon Emissions Offset? What is that -- a '60s dance craze? No, it's way hotter. I mean, cooler. All the movie stars are doing it. In fact, this year's Oscar goodie-bag that all the nominees get included a year's worth of carbon offsets. Totally free. So even the stars' offsets are offset. No wonder that, when they're off the set, they all do the offset. Look at Leonardo DiCaprio: He's loaded with 'em, and the chicks think he's totally eco-cool. Tall and tan and young and lovely, the boy with carbon offsets goes walking and when he passes each one he passes goes aaaiiieeeeeeeee!
How do "carbon offsets" work? Well, let's say you're a former vice president and you want to reduce your "carbon footprint," but the gorgeous go-go Gore gals are using the hair dryer every night. So you go to a carbon-credits firm and pay some money and they'll find a way of getting somebody on the other side of the planet to reduce his emissions and the net result will be "carbon neutral." It's like in Henry VIII's day. He'd be planning a big ox roast and piling on the calories but he'd give a groat to a starving peasant to carry on starving for another day and the result would be calorie-neutral.
So in the Reverend Al's case it doesn't matter that he's lit up like Times Square on V-E Day. Because he's paid for his extravagant emissions. He has a carbon-offset trader in an environmentally friendly carbon-credits office suite who buys "carbon offsets" for Al from, say, a terrorist mastermind in a cave in the Pakistani tribal lands who's dramatically reduced his energy usage mainly because every time he powers up his cell phone or laptop a light goes on in Washington and an unmanned drone starts heading his way. So, aside from a basic cable subscription to cheer himself up watching U.S. senators talking about "exit strategies" on CNN 24/7, the terrorist mastermind doesn't deplete a lot of resources. Which means Tipper can watch Al give a speech on a widescreen plasma TV, where Al looks almost as wide as in life, and she doesn't have to feel guilty because it all comes out . . . carbon-neutral!
And, in fact, in the Reverend Al's case it's even better than that. Al buys his carbon offsets from Generation Investment Management LLP, which is "an independent, private, owner-managed partnership established in 2004 and with offices in London and Washington, D.C.," that, for a fee, will invest your money in "high-quality companies at attractive prices that will deliver superior long-term investment returns." Generation is a tax-exempt U.S. 501(c)3. And who's the chairman and founding partner? Al Gore.
So Al can buy his carbon offsets from himself. Better yet, he can buy them with the money he gets from his long-time relationship with Occidental Petroleum. See how easy it is to be carbon-neutral? All you have do is own a gazillion stocks in Big Oil, start an eco-stockbroking firm to make eco-friendly investments, use a small portion of your oil company's profits to buy some tax-deductible carbon offsets from your own investment firm, and you too can save the planet while making money and leaving a carbon footprint roughly the size of Godzilla's at the start of the movie when they're all standing around in the little toe wondering what the strange depression in the landscape is.
A couple of days before the Oscars, the Reverend Al gave a sell-out performance at the University of Toronto. "From my perspective, it is a form of religion," said Bruce Crofts of the East Toronto Climate Action Group, who compared the former vice president to Jesus Christ, both men being (as the Globe And Mail put it) "great leaders who stepped forward when called upon by circumstance." Unlike Christ, the Eco-Messiah cannot yet walk on water, but then, neither can the polar bears. However, only Al can survey the melting ice caps and turn water into whine. One lady unable to land a ticket frantically begged the university for an audience with His Goriness. As the National Post reported, "Her daughter hadn't been able to sleep since seeing ''An Inconvenient Truth.'' She claimed that seeing Mr. Gore in person might make her daughter feel better." Well, it worked for Leonardo DiCaprio.
Are eco-celebrities buying ridiculousness-emissions credits from exhausted run-of-the-mill celebrities like Paris, Britney and Anna Nicole? Ah, well. The Eco-Messiah sternly talks up the old Nazi comparisons: What we're facing is an "ecological Holocaust, and "the evidence of an ecological Kristallnacht is as clear as the sound of glass shattering in Berlin." That 221,000 kilowatt-hours might suggest that, if this is the ecological Holocaust, Gore's pad is Auschwitz. But, as his spokesperson would no doubt argue, when you're faced with ecological Holocausts and ecological Kristallnachts, sometimes the only way to bring it to an end is with an ecological Hiroshima. The Gore electric bill is the eco-atom bomb: You have to light up the world in order to save it. |
I wonder if AL's hypocrisy will ever end....AB's certainly has not... :burst: |
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| kali |
for those assholes who still want to obsess on gore, let me remind them that way the fuck back in the 70's and 80's brilliant people like Asimov were warning us that humans had to take action and stop fucking up this planet. I have been reading Asimov's articles for years and take what he had to say seriously.
To me all of this is Very OLD news.
to those morons who haven't been paying attention, they may feel that what gore has to say is somehow "important" because it's gore. well, It's not important to me. Gore's usefulness may only be that he introduces these important ideas to some people that haven't heard about it before and that's fine, but for me it's not relevant. and gore isn't relevant.
I'm sure that for those that obsess over gore the message will be completely lost because they can't get past the messenger to understand the message.
the point is that these issues have been around for too long to be linked to any one person. |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by kali
for those assholes who still want to obsess on gore, let me remind them that way the fuck back in the 70's and 80's brilliant people like Asimov were warning us that humans had to take action and stop fucking up this planet. I have been reading Asimov's articles for years and take what he had to say seriously.
To me all of this is Very OLD news.
to those morons who haven't been paying attention, they may feel that what gore has to say is somehow "important" because it's gore. well, It's not important to me. Gore's usefulness may only be that he introduces these important ideas to some people that haven't heard about it before and that's fine, but for me it's not relevant. and gore isn't relevant.
I'm sure that for those that obsess over gore the message will be completely lost because they can't get past the messenger to understand the message.
the point is that these issues have been around for too long to be linked to any one person. |
Was that the same people from the 70's who were trying to scare everyone with global cooling alarmism??
Gore hasn't promoted a useful idea since he 'created' the internet. Far from being obsessed with Gore, I marvel at how the leftbots buy into his alarmism, dismiss his obvious hypocrisy, and apologize for him till the end. It is quite a spectacle, and very amusing to watch.
I completely understand Gore's message. 'Unproven alarmism, combined with endless self promotion and self profit, with a big chunk of liberal hypocisy to go with it all.' |
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| NCMike06 |
AB, have you gotten over the fact that Gore has completely duped you with purchasing his 'carbon credits' essentially from himself?? LOL. While still using 20TIMES the energy of the masses. Not to mention a comment on the entire fraud of 'carbon offsets for the rich, while the poor must carry the load'
Your silence is deafening. |
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| NCMike06 |
| Looks like the Gore Apologists have cut-n-run on this thread. Ohh well, just when it was getting really fun. |
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| Oz |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
Looks like the Gore Apologists have cut-n-run on this thread. Ohh well, just when it was getting really fun. |
it becomes tiring trying to validate a falsehood put out by his opponents that you won't accept any truthful answer to - |
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| zimmie |
| I suspect all the apologists are out shopping for carbon offsets |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by Oz
it becomes tiring trying to validate a falsehood put out by his opponents that you won't accept any truthful answer to - |
Which falsehood would that be, by the way. THe figures cam from Gores ENERGY BILLS !!!
And since AB is too much a pussy to answer, maybe you can explain how it is that Gore essentially buys his 'carbon offsets' from himself.....ACCORDING TO A GORE SPOKESPERSON!! But maybe she is lying, right????
How is it that when you cannot refute the evidence, and your talking points are no longer useful.....you simply claim, without any proof whatsoever, that its a lie>?
Gore is a hypocrite, and all your apologizing and talking points won't change that fact.... |
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| Oz |
Quote: Originally posted by NCMike06
Which falsehood would that be, by the way. THe figures cam from Gores ENERGY BILLS !!!
And since AB is too much a pussy to answer, maybe you can explain how it is that Gore essentially buys his 'carbon offsets' from himself.....ACCORDING TO A GORE SPOKESPERSON!! But maybe she is lying, right????
How is it that when you cannot refute the evidence, and your talking points are no longer useful.....you simply claim, without any proof whatsoever, that its a lie>?
Gore is a hypocrite, and all your apologizing and talking points won't change that fact.... |
ok mike - you're right - gore is full of shit :rolleyes:
its been well refuted and you continue to quote sources that either have agendas to smear gore or that have agendas to say keeping your heat blasted and your windows open during the winter - we get it, you believe in burning as much energy as possible and you think Gore doesn't walk the walk - I've stated the truth - you don't buy it - its not surprising as you don't believe anything that doesn't suit your view on the world - go read a book to your kid |
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| NCMike06 |
Quote: Originally posted by Oz
ok mike - you're right - gore is full of shit :rolleyes:
its been well refuted and you continue to quote sources that either have agendas to smear gore or that have agendas to say keeping your heat blasted and your windows open during the winter - we get it, you believe in burning as much energy as possible and you think Gore doesn't walk the walk - I've stated the truth - you don't buy it - its not surprising as you don't believe anything that doesn't suit your view on the world - go read a book to your kid |
WHat has been refuted and where??? NOTHING has been refuted...Even Gore and his spokespeople DON'T dispute the numbers...because they CAN'T ...the numbers come from his UTILITY BILLS !!! WHat don't you get about that???????
You stated your apologist view of the truth....to you, Gore walks on water. To people who can see the situation for what it is...he uses 20X the energy the average person does (and you have not refuted that at all) and according to HIS OWN spokesperson...he buys is 'carbon offsets' from himself.
Now , I am sure you will post that its all lies, and you will continue to keep your lips planted firmly against Gore's ass.....but that doesn't change the truth, which, b | | | | | |
