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| KOAJaps |
Quote: Originally posted by FatesWebb
BBC Error! Huge smoking gun of pre-knowledge collapse of WTC7
On September 11th 2001, BBC World reported at 4:57pm Eastern Time that the Salomon Brothers Building (more commonly known as WTC7 or World ... all » Trade Building 7) had collapsed.
This even made the 5pm EST headlines, what is bizarre is that the building did not actually collapse until 5:20pm EST.
9/11 was unusual enough, without BBC World being able to foretell the destiny of WTC 7.
What is even stranger, is that the women reporter is telling the world that the building had collapsed when you can see it in the background over her left shoulder.
Then at 5:15pm EST, just five minutes before the building did actually collapse, her live connection from New York to London mysteriously fails.
So the question is, on 9/11 how did the BBC learn that WTC7 collapsed 23 minutes before it actually did.
Building Seven was 47 storeys, modern in design with structural steel throughout, yet symmetrically collapsed in 6.5 seconds, was someone leaking information.
No steel framed skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire, before or after 9/11, most people who find out about WTC7, believe it was brought down by a controlled demolition, even demolition experts agree.
http://video.google.com/googleplaye...985581749234824
the bbc video of them telling that wtc7 had been destroyed BEFORE IT HAPPENED, has been removed from the link above at google video but can be found
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49f_1172526096
and
http://www.esnips.com/doc/47ae2fd7-...ilding7Collapse
Skip forward to around the 14:30 minute mark
and here
http://www.prisonplanet.com/video/9...ng7Collapse.flv
Although there is no clock or time stamp on the footage, the source claims the report was given at 4:57pm EST, 23 minutes before Building 7 collapsed at 5:20pm. While the exact time of the report cannot be confirmed at present, it is clear from the footage that the reporter is describing the collapse of WTC 7 while it clearly remains standing behind her in the live shot.
The fact that the BBC reported on the collapse of Building 7 over twenty minutes in advance of its implosion obviously provokes a myriad of questions as to how they knew it was about to come down when the official story says its collapse happened accidentally as a result of fire damage and debris weakening the building's structure. |
I'd be satisfied if the BBC said that they were told that T-7 was unstable and it was going down, but the BBC it had no files as it was lost plus the reporter forgot about the report. |
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| FatesWebb |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
So you and Al Qaeda are on the same page .................as you said and I quote........."BULLSHIT"!
Thanks I was confused about your orientation! |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by KOAJaps
I'd be satisfied if the BBC said that they were told that T-7 was unstable and it was going down, but the BBC it had no files as it was lost plus the reporter forgot about the report. |
Are you suggesting that there was some kind of a cover up? That never happens. Reporters never change their stories. The media is always telling us the truth. The gov't never lies. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Yeah, I love the qualification of " Although there is no date or time stamp on the footage, the source claims that the report was given at 4:57EST,23 minutes before building 7 collapsed at 5:20pm. While the exact time cannot be confirmed at present, it is clear from the footage that the reporter is describing the collapse of WTC 7while it clearly remains standing behind her."
Well this is all conjecture and with out time and date stamps it could be extrapolated into anything. Does the term super impose mean anything to you? I guess that we need audio to confirm what they are talking about or describing . Not like all day they didn't super impose stuff a while they were talking. Is the statement on the screen current with the picture or is it just a guess that they were talking about it having collapsed????
More copied bullshit from a some conspiracy site and always taken at face value with out any back up to the piece. Now tell us what site did you cut and paste this from???
"The Source claims" LOL , just like all your other credible witnesses. So no one in 5 years plus has ever brought this up or is it just more manufactured out of context stuff??
Claims, always the operative word!!!!
Back to the PENTACON!
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| FatesWebb |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
Yeah, I love the qualification of " Although there is no date or time stamp on the footage, the source claims that the report was given at 4:57EST,23 minutes before building 7 collapsed at 5:20pm. While the exact time cannot be confirmed at present, it is clear from the footage that the reporter is describing the collapse of WTC 7while it clearly remains standing behind her."
Well this is all conjecture and with out time and date stamps it could be extrapolated into anything. Does the term super impose mean anything to you? I guess that we need audio to confirm what they are talking about or describing . Not like all day they didn't super impose stuff a while they were talking. Is the statement on the screen current with the picture or is it just a guess that they were talking about it having collapsed????
More copied bullshit from a some conspiracy site and always taken at face value with out any back up to the piece. Now tell us what site did you cut and paste this from???
"The Source claims" LOL , just like all your other credible witnesses. So no one in 5 years plus has ever brought this up or is it just more manufactured out of context stuff??
Claims, always the operative word!!!!
Back to the PENTACON!
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hey dumbass, you can see the building over her shoulder, so the time doesnt matter..... the building is in the background... furthermore I reported this HERE before it hit any conspiracy site. YOU HEARD IT FIRST! |
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Top 40 Reasons to Doubt the Officially Sanctioned Version of What Happened on September 11, 2001
1. The AWOL Chain of Command
It is well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.
Who was actually in charge? Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying.
2. Air Defense Failures and Timelines
The US air defense system failed to follow standard procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights.
The various responsible agencies - NORAD, FAA, Pentagon, USAF, as well as the 9/11 Commission - gave radically different explanations for the failure (in some cases upheld for years), such that several officials must have lied; but none were held accountable.
Was there an air defense stand down?
3. Pentagon Strike
How was it possible the Pentagon was hit one hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began?
Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation's capital?
How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon?
Why did the attack strike the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command?
4. War Games
US military and other authorities planned or actually rehearsed defensive response to all elements of the 9/11 scenario during the year prior to the attack - including multiple hijackings, suicide crash bombings, and a strike on the Pentagon.
The multiple military war games planned long in advance and held on the morning of September 11th included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue? There is evidence that the war games created confusion as to whether the unfolding events were "real world or exercise." Did war games serve as the cover for air defense sabotage, the execution of an "inside job, or both?
5. Flight 93
Did the Shanksville crash occur at 10:06 (according to a seismic report) or 10:03 (according to the 9/11 Commission)?
Does the Commission wish to hide what happened in the last three minutes of the flight, and if so, why?
Was Flight 93 shot down, as indicated by the scattering of debris over a trail of several miles?
6. Possible Smoking Guns
Did cell phones work at 30, 000 feet in 2001?
How many hijackings were attempted?
How many flights were diverted?
7. Demolition Hypothesis
What caused the collapse of a third skyscraper, WTC 7, which was not hit by a plane?
Were the Twin Towers and WTC 7 brought down by explosives? (See "The Case for Demolitions, " the websites wtc7.net and 911research.wtc7.net, and the influential article by physicist Steven Jones. See also items no. 16 and 24, below.)
Foreknowledge and the Alleged Hijackers
8. What did officials know?
How did they know it?
When did they know?
Multiple allied foreign agencies informed the US government of a coming attack in detail, including the manner and likely targets of the attack, the name of the operation (the "Big Wedding"), and the names of certain men later identified as being among the perpetrators.
Various individuals came into possession of specific advance knowledge, and some of them tried to warn the US prior to September 11th.
Certain prominent persons received warnings not to fly on the week or on the day of September 11th.
9. Able Danger, Surveillance of Alleged Hijackers
The men identified as the 9/11 ringleaders were under surveillance for years beforehand, on the suspicion they were terrorists, by a variety of US and allied authorities, including the CIA, the US military's Able Danger program, the German authorities, Israeli intelligence, and others.
Two of the alleged ringleaders who were known to be under surveillance by the CIA also lived with an FBI asset in San Diego, but this is supposed to be yet another a coincidence.
10. Obstruction of FBI Investigations Prior to 9/11
A group of FBI officials in New York systematically suppressed field investigations of potential terrorists that might have uncovered the alleged hijackers, as the Moussaoui case once again showed.
The stories of Sibel Edmonds, Robert Wright, Coleen Rowley and Harry Samit, the "Phoenix Memo, " David Schippers, the 199i orders restricting investigations, the Bush administration's order to back off the Bin Ladin family, the reaction to the "Bojinka" plot, and John O'Neil do not, when considered in sum, indicate mere incompetence, but high-level corruption and protection of criminal networks, including the network of the alleged 9/11 conspirators.
Nearly all of these examples were omitted from or relegated to fleeting footnotes in The 9/11 Commission Report.
11. Insider Trading
Unknown speculators allegedly used foreknowledge of the Sept. 11th events to profiteer on many markets internationally, including but not limited to put options placed to short-sell the two airlines, WTC tenants, and WTC re-insurance companies in Chicago and London.
In addition, suspicious monetary transactions worth hundreds of millions were conducted through offices at the Twin Towers during the actual attacks.
Initial reports on these trades were suppressed and forgotten, and only years later did the 9/11 Commission and SEC provide a partial, but untenable explanation for only a small number of transactions (covering only the airline put options through the Chicago Board of Exchange).
12. Who Were the Perpetrators?
Much of the evidence establishing who did the crime is dubious and miraculous: bags full of incriminating material that happened to miss the flight or were left in a van; the "magic passport" of an alleged hijacker found at Ground Zero; documents found at motels where the alleged perpetrators had stayed days and weeks before 9/11.
The identities of the alleged hijackers remain unresolved, there are contradictions in official accounts of their actions and travels, and there is evidence several of them had "doubles, " all of which is omitted from official investigations.
What happened to initial claims by the government that 50 people involved in the attacks had been identified, including the 19 alleged hijackers, with 10 still at large (suggesting that 20 had been apprehended)?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ade-50suspects, 0, 1825231.story
The 9/11 Cover-Up, 2001-2006
13. Who Is Osama Bin Ladin?
Who judges which of the many conflicting and dubious statements and videos attributed to Osama Bin Ladin are genuine, and which are fake? The most important Osama Bin Ladin video (Nov. 2001), in which he supposedly confesses to masterminding 9/11, appears to be a fake. In any event, the State Department's translation of it is fraudulent.
Did Osama Bin Ladin visit Dubai and meet a CIA agent in July 2001 (Le Figaro)? Was he receiving dialyses in a Pakistani military hospital on the night of September 10, 2001 (CBS)?
Whether by Bush or Clinton: Why is Osama always allowed to escape?
The terror network associated with Osama, known as the "data base" (al-Qaeda), originated in the CIA-sponsored 1980s anti-Soviet jihad in Afghanistan.
When did this network stop serving as an asset to covert operations by US intelligence and allied agencies?
What were its operatives doing in Kosovo, Bosnia, and Chechnya in the years prior to 9/11?
14. All the Signs of a Systematic Cover-Up
Airplane black boxes were found at Ground Zero, according to two first responders and an unnamed NTSB official, but they were "disappeared" and their existence is denied in The 9/11 Commission Report.
US officials consistently suppressed and destroyed evidence (like the tapes recorded by air traffic controllers who handled the New York flights).
Whistleblowers (like Sibel Edmonds and Anthony Shaffer) were intimidated, gagged and sanctioned, sending a clear signal to others who might be thinking about speaking out, yet officials who "failed" (like Myers and Eberhard, as well as Frasca, Maltbie and Bowman of the FBI) were given promotions.
15. Poisoning New York
The White House deliberately pressured the EPA into giving false public assurances that the toxic air at Ground Zero was safe to breathe.
This knowingly contributed to an as-yet unknown number of health cases and fatalities, and demonstrates that the administration does consider the lives of American citizens to be expendable on behalf of certain interests.
16. Disposing of the Crime Scene
The rapid and illegal scrapping of the WTC ruins at Ground Zero disposed of almost all of the structural steel indispensable to any investigation of the collapse mechanics. (See also item number 23.)
17. Anthrax
Mailings of weapons-grade anthrax, which caused a practical suspension of the 9/11 investigations, were traced back to US military stock.
Soon after the attacks began in October 2001, the FBI approved the destruction of the original samples of the Ames strain, disposing of perhaps the most important evidence in identifying the source of the pathogens used in the mailings.
Were the anthrax attacks timed to coincide with the Afghanistan invasion?
Why were letters sent only to media figures and leaders of the opposition in the Senate who had just raised objections to the USA Patriot Act?
18. The Stonewall
Colin Powell promised a "white paper" from the State Department to establish the authorship of the attacks by al-Qaeda. This was never forthcoming, and was instead replaced by a paper from Tony Blair, which presented only circumstantial evidence, with very few points actually relating to September 11th.
Bush and Cheney pressured the (freshly anthraxed) leadership of the Congressional opposition into delaying the 9/11 investigation for months.
The administration fought against the creation of an independent investigation for more than a year.
The White House thereupon attempted to appoint Henry Kissinger as the chief investigator, and acted to under fund and obstruct The 9/11 Commission.
19. A Record of Official Lies
"No one could have imagined planes into buildings." A transparent falsehood upheld repeatedly by Rice, Rumsfeld and Bush.
"Iraq was connected to 9/11." The most "outrageous conspiracy theory" of all, with the most disastrous impact.
20. Pakistani Connection. Congressional Connection
The Pakistani intelligence agency, ISI, creator of the Taliban and close ally to both the CIA and al-Qaeda, allegedly wired $100, 000 to Mohamed Atta just prior to September 11th, reportedly through the ISI asset Omar Saeed Sheikh (later arrested for the killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, who was investigating ISI connections to al-Qaeda.)
This was ignored by the congressional 9/11 investigation, although the senator and congressman who ran the probe (Bob Graham and Porter Goss) were meeting with the ISI chief, Mahmud Ahmed, on Capitol Hill on the morning of September 11th.
About 25% of the report of the Congressional Joint Inquiry was redacted, including long passages regarding how the attack (or the network allegedly behind it) was financed.
Graham later said foreign allies were involved in financing the alleged terror network, but that this would only come out in 30 years.
21. Unanswered Questions and the Final Fraud" of the 9/11 Commission
The September 11th families who fought for and gained an independent investigation (The 9/11 Commission) posed 400-plus questions, which The 9/11 Commission adopted as its roadmap. The vast majority of these questions were completely ignored in the Commission hearings and the final report.
The membership and staff of The 9/11 Commission displayed awesome conflicts of interest. The families called for the resignation of Executive Director Philip Zelikow, a Bush administration member and close associate of "star witness" Condoleezza Rice, and were snubbed. Commission member Max Cleland resigned, condemning the entire exercise as a "scam" and "whitewash."
The 9/11 Commission Report is notable mainly for its obvious omissions, distortions and outright falsehoods - ignoring anything incompatible with the official story, banishing the issues to footnotes, and even dismissing the still-unresolved question of who financed 9/11 as being "of little practical significance."
22. Crown Witnesses Held at Undisclosed Locations
The alleged masterminds of 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohamed (KSM) and Ramzi Binalshibh, are reported to have been captured in 2002 and 2003, although one Pakistani newspaper said KSM was killed in an attempted capture.
They have been held at undisclosed locations and their supposed testimonies, as provided in transcript form by the government, form much of the basis for The 9/11 Commission Report (although the commission's request to see them in person was denied).
After holding them for years, why doesn't the government produce these men and put them to trial?
23. Spitzer Redux
Eliot Spitzer, attorney general of New York State, snubbed pleas by New York citizens to open 9/11 as a criminal case (Justicefor911.org).
Spitzer also refused to allow his employee, former 9/11 Commission staff member Dietrich Snell, to testify to the Congress about his (Snell's) role in keeping Able Danger entirely out of The 9/11 Commission Report.
24. NIST Omissions
After the destruction of the WTC structural steel, the official Twin Towers collapse investigation was left with almost no forensic evidence, and thus could only provide dubious computer models of ultimately un-provable hypotheses.
It failed to even test for the possibility of explosives. Why not clear this up?
25. Radio Silence
The 9/11 Commission and NIST both allowed the continuing cover-up of how Motorola's faulty radios, purchased by the Giuliani administration, caused firefighter deaths at the WTC - once again showing the expendability, even of the first responders.
26. The Legal Catch-22
Hush Money - Accepting victims' compensation barred September 11th families from pursuing discovery through litigation.
Judge Hallerstein - Those who refused compensation to pursue litigation and discovery had their cases consolidated under the same judge (and as a rule dismissed).
27. Saudi Connections
The 9/11 investigations made light of the "Bin Ladin Airlift" during the no-fly period, and ignored the long-standing Bush family business ties to the Bin Ladin family fortune. (A company in which both families held interests, the Carlyle Group, was holding its annual meeting on September 11th, with George Bush Sr., James Baker, and two brothers of Osama Bin Ladin in attendance.)
The issue of Ptech.
28. Media Blackout of Prominent Doubters
The official story has been questioned and many of the above points raised by members of the US Congress, retired high-ranking officers of the US military, the three leading third-party candidates for President in the 2004 election, a member of The 9/11 Commission who resigned in protest, a former high-ranking adviser to the George W. Bush administration, former ministers to the German, British and Canadian governments, the commander-in-chief of the Russian air force, 100 luminaries who signed the "9/11 Truth Statement, " and the presidents of Iran and Venezuela. Not all of these people agree fully with each other, but all would normally be considered newsworthy. Why has the corporate-owned US mass media remained silent about these statements, granting due coverage only to the comments of actor Charlie Sheen?
Geopolitics, Timing, and Possible Motives
29. "The Great Game"
The Afghanistan invasion was ready for Bush's go-ahead on September 9, 2001, with US and UK force deployments to the region already in place or underway.
This followed the failure earlier that year of backdoor diplomacy with the Taliban (including payments of $125 million in US government aid to Afghanistan), in an attempt to secure a unity government for that country as a prerequisite to a Central Asian pipeline deal.
30. The Need for a "New Pearl Harbor"
Principals in US foreign policy under the current Bush administration (including Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle and others) have been instrumental in developing long-running plans for worldwide military hegemony, including an invasion of the Middle East, dating back to the Ford, Reagan, and Bush-41 administrations.
They reiterated these plans in the late 1990s as members of the "Project for a New American Century, " and stated a clear intent to invade Iraq for the purpose of "regime change." After 9/11, they lost no time in their attempt to tie Iraq to the attacks.
31. Perpetual "War on Terror"
September 11th is supposed to provide carte-blanche for an open-ended, global and perpetual "War on Terror, " against any enemy, foreign or domestic, that the executive branch chooses to designate, and regardless of whether evidence exists to actually connect these enemies to 9/11.
32. Attacking the Constitution
The USA PATRIOT Act was written and the Department of Homeland Security and "Shadow Government" were developed long before September 11th , and plans for rounding up dissidents as a means for suppressing civil disturbance have been in the works for decades.
September 11th was used as the pretext to create a new, extra-constitutional executive authority to declare anyone an "enemy combatant" (including American citizens), to detain persons indefinitely without habeas corpus, and to "render" such persons to secret prisons where torture is practiced.
33. Legal Trillions
September 11th triggers a predictable shift of public spending to war, and boosts public and private spending in the "new" New Economy of "Homeland Security, " biometrics, universal surveillance, prisons, civil defense, secured enclaves, security, and so forth.
34. Plundered Trillions?
On September 10, 2001, Donald Rumsfeld announced a "war on waste" after an internal audit found that the Pentagon was "missing" 2.3 trillion dollars in unaccounted assets. On September 11th, this was as good as forgotten.
35. Did 9/11 prevent a stock market crash?
Did anyone benefit from the destruction of the Securities and Exchange Commission offices at WTC 7, and the resultant crippling of hundreds of fraud investigations?
36. Global Resource Wars
What was discussed in the Energy Task Force meetings under Dick Cheney in 2001? Why is the documentation of these meetings still being suppressed? Is Peak Oil a motive for September 11th as inside job?
37. The "Little Game"
Why was the WTC privatized just before its destruction?
38. "Al-CIA-da?"
The longstanding relationship between US intelligence networks and radical Islamists, including the network surrounding Osama Bin Ladin. (See also point 13.4.)
39. Historical Precedents for "Synthetic Terror"
In the past many states, including the US government, have sponsored attacks on their own people, fabricated the "cause for war, " created (and armed) their own enemies of convenience, and sacrificed their own citizens for "reasons of state."
Was September 11th an update of the Pentagon-approved "Project Northwoods" plan for conducting self-inflicted, false-flag terror attacks in the United States, and blaming them on a foreign enemy?
40. Secret Government
The record of criminality and sponsorship of coups around the world by the covert networks based within the US intelligence complex.
The evidence of crime by Bush administration principals and their associates, from October Surprise to Iran-Contra to the S&L plunder to PNAC, Enron, Halliburton and beyond
Reason Number 41
Related Movements and Parallel Issues
Ground Zero Aftermath Movements
Justice for the air-poisoning cover-up (wtceo.org)
Radio Silence (radiosilencefdny.com)
Skyscraper Safety (www.skyscrapersafety.org).
Election Fraud and Black Box Voting, 2000 to 2004 (nov9truth.org)
Lies Regarding the Invasion of Iraq (afterdowningstreet.org)
Use of depleted uranium and its multi-generational consequences on human health and the environment.
Longstanding development of contingency plans for civil disturbance and military rule in the USA (see "The War at Home").
Oklahoma City Truth movement (okctruth.org)
Whether you call it "Globalization" or "The New World Order, " its an unsustainable system of permanent growth ultimately requires warfare, fraud, and mass manipulation.
Going Forward...
"But an inside job would involve thousands of people!
How could they keep a secret?"
Counter-arguments, red herrings, speculations and false information.
Selected essays, books and websites that make the case for 9/11 as inside job. (See Resources.)
Demanding a real investigation of the September crimes: Not just a patriotic duty, but a matter of survival; your survival and your children’s.
Please research for yourself.
TOP OFFICIALS QUESTION 9/11
Gov. officials speak out regarding 9/11
Colonel Ronald D. Ray (U.S. Marine Corps)
Colonel Ronald D. Ray is a practicing attorney in Kentucky and a highly decorated combat veteran of the Vietnam War (two Silver Stars, a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart.) He served as a Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense during the Reagan Administration and was appointed by President Bush to serve on the American Battle Monuments Commission (1990-1994), and on the 1992 Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces. From 1990 through 1994, he served as Military Historian and Deputy Director of Field Operations for the U.S. Marine Corps Historical Center, Washington, D.C. Colonel Ray, selected for Who's Who in America and in America Law, writes and speaks on a wide range of National Security, Historical, and Constitutional issues and has appeared on a variety of national television news broadcasts: ABC World News Tonight, Larry King Live, Hannity and Combs, Fox and Friends, The Today Show, Fox News, Crossfire, and a number of national radio broadcasts.
"I'm astounded that the conspiracy theory advanced by the administration could in fact be true and the evidence does not seem to suggest that's accurate. . .If the war on terror is real then the first thing that would have happened within a matter of weeks after 9/11 would have been we'd have closed the borders off. . .You have no national security if your borders are not secure." - Colonel Ronald D. Ray
Bill Christison (CIA)
William Christison or Bill Christison and his wife Kathleen Christison worked for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Bill Christison joined the CIA in 1950, and served on the analysis side of the Agency for 28 years. From the early 1970s he served as National Intelligence Officer (principal adviser to the Director of Central Intelligence on certain areas) for, at various times, Southeast Asia, South Asia and Africa. Before he retired in 1979 he was Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis, a 250-person unit.
" At the Los Angeles meeting of the American Scholars' Symposium, one of the main speakers, Webster Tarpley, summarized his own views on the events of 9/11. He emphasized that "neocon fascist madmen" had perpetrated the 9/11 "myth." He went on to say, "The most important thing is that the 9/11 myth is the premise and the root of the Afghanistan War and the Iraq War and the coming attack on Iran. ... We must ... deprive [the myth's perpetrators] of the ability to stampede and manipulate hundreds of millions of people [with their] ... cynically planned terrorist events."
Let's give Webster Tarpley and other mistakenly labeled conspiracists who have labored in the wilderness for so long three cheers." - Bill Christison
Ray McGovern (CIA)
McGovern was a mid level officer in the CIA in the 1960s where his focus was analysis of Soviet policy toward Vietnam. McGovern was one of President Ronald Reagan's intelligence briefers from 1981-85 when he was in charge of preparing daily security briefs for the President, the Vice President, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Cabinet and National Security Advisor. Later, McGovern was one of several senior CIA analysts who prepared the President's Daily Brief (PDB) for President George Herbert Walker Bush. Upon retirement, McGovern was awarded the Intelligence Commendation Medal from George Herbert Walker Bush (which he later returned) and worked for Washington-based non-profits before becoming co-director of the Servant Leadership School in Washington. McGovern was a graduate, summa cum laude, of Fordham University. A "Distinguished Military Graduate", he served in the US Army from 1962-64 as an intelligence officer. McGovern also received an M.A. in Russian Studies from Fordham University, a certificate in Theological Studies from Georgetown University and was a graduate of Harvard Business School's Advanced Management Program.
Ray McGovern confirmed his support for 9/11 being an inside job by his public endorsement of David Ray Griffin's work on 9/11. Stating that he "used to be an agnostic" on the issue of government complicity until reading The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions.
Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col. (United States Air Force)
Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. is President of the Institute for Space and Security Studies, Executive Vice President of Millennium III Corporation, and retired Presiding Archbishop of the United Catholic Church. He flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam and directed all the "Star Wars" programs under Presidents Ford and Carter. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President's Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers' ROTC Award of Merit (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country's foremost experts on National Security.
"9-11 is based on a pack of lies. It wasn't misjudgment; it was treason." - Robert Bowman
Morgan O. Reynolds (US Government)
Morgan O. Reynolds is professor emeritus at Texas A&M University and former director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis headquartered in Dallas, TX. He served as chief economist for the United States Department of Labor during 20012002, George W. Bush's first term.
"Occam's razor would suggest that the outward bends in the perimeter columns were caused by explosions from inside the tower rather than bends caused by airliner impact from outside. Also supporting this theory is the fact that the uniformly neat ends of the blown perimeter columns are consistent with the linear shaped charges demolition experts use to slice steel as thick as 10 inches. The hypothesis of linear shaped charges also explains the perfectly formed crosses found in the rubble (crucifix-shaped fragments of core column structures), as well as the rather-neatly shorn steel everywhere." - Morgan Reynolds
Paul Craig Roberts (US Government)
Former Senior Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution, a former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration, and a prolific and popular journalist. He is a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service. He is a graduate of the Georgia Institute of Technology and he holds a Ph.D. from the University of Virginia. He was a post-graduate at the University of California, Berkeley, and Oxford University where he was a member of Merton College. In 1992 he received the Warren Brookes Award for Excellence in Journalism. In 1993 the Forbes Media Guide ranked him as one of the top seven journalists in the United States.
"I know many qualified engineers and scientists have said the WTC collapsed from explosives. In fact, if you look at the manner in which it fell, you have to give their conclusions credibility." - Paul Craig Roberts
Andreas von Bülow (German Government)
He served as state-secretary in the German Federal Ministry of Defence (1976-1980) and Minister for Research and Technology (1980-1982), both during the Chancellor Helmut Schmidt administration, and was regarded as a "rising star" of German politics at the time. He served for 25 years as an SPD member of the German parliament (1969-1994). In the late eighties and early nineties, he served on the parliamentary committee on intelligence services ("Parlamentarischer Kontrollausschuss"). This committee supervises German intelligence agencies and has access to classified information. In the early nineties, von Bülow also served as SPD ranking member of the Schalck-Golodkowski investigation committee, a task that first led him to inquire into white collar crime in connection with Eastern intelligence services, and later also into what he labels "criminal activities" of Western intelligence services. His first major publication dealing with this realm, In the Name of the State (German:Im Namen des Staates) is a heavily referenced and extensive study focusing mostly on the CIA. Since leaving the Bundestag, he has largely left the SPD's political loop.
"Well, nobody can prove what happened 9 11 directly because it has been a covert operation and you don't find proof; you will find only indications. And one of the indications- the indication that everything is right with these nineteen people and Usama bin Laden is that the government is free to show all the prove that is on the table that is on the street that lays on the ground of the World Trade Center and so on and so on. If you have a covert operation the probability is always that the leftover pieces of proof are taken away immediately and a lot of secrecy, a band of secrecy, has taken over everything. And, this has happened with 9 11." - Andreas von Bülow
General Leonid Ivashov (Russian Army)
General Leonid Ivashov was the Chief of the Department for General Affairs in the Soviet Union's Ministry of Defense, Secretary of the Council of Defense Ministers of the Community of Independent States (CIS), Chief of the Military Co-operation Department at the Russian Federation's Ministry of Defense, and Joint Chief of Staff of the Russian Armies. He was serving at the time of the 9/11 attacks.
"Osama bin Laden and "Al Qaeda" cannot be the organizers or the performers of the September 11 attacks. They do not have the necessary organization, resources or leaders. Thus, a team of professionals had to be created and the Arab kamikazes are just extras to mask the operation. The September 11 operation modified the course of events in the world in the direction chosen by transnational mafias and international oligarchs; that is, those who hope to control the planet's natural resources, the world information network and the financial flows. This operation also favored the US economic and political elite that also seek world dominance." - General Leonid Ivashov
David Shayler (British Security Service - MI5)
David Shayler was an officer for the British Security Service (MI5) from 1991 1996.
"I've seen the results of terroristic explosions and so on and no terrorist explosion has ever brought down a building. When the IRA put something like a thousands tonnes of home-made explosives in front of the Baltic Exchange building in Bishopsgate and let off the bomb, all the glass came out, the building shook a bit but there was no question about the building falling down and it doesn't obey the laws of physics for buildings to fall down in the way the World Trade Center came down. So you have the comparison of the two, Building 7 compared with the north and south towers coming down and those two things are exactly the same, they were demolished." - David Shayler |
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Top 40 Reasons to Doubt the Officially Sanctioned Version of What Happened on September 11, 2001
1. The AWOL Chain of Command
It is well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.
Who was actually in charge? Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying.
2. Air Defense Failures and Timelines
The US air defense system failed to follow standard procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights.
The various responsible agencies - NORAD, FAA, Pentagon, USAF, as well as the 9/11 Commission - gave radically different explanations for the failure (in some cases upheld for years), such that several officials must have lied; but none were held accountable.
Was there an air defense stand down?
3. Pentagon Strike
How was it possible the Pentagon was hit one hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began?
Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation's capital?
How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon?
Why did the attack strike the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command?
4. War Games
US military and other authorities planned or actually rehearsed defensive response to all elements of the 9/11 scenario during the year prior to the attack - including multiple hijackings, suicide crash bombings, and a strike on the Pentagon.
The multiple military war games planned long in advance and held on the morning of September 11th included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue? There is evidence that the war games created confusion as to whether the unfolding events were "real world or exercise." Did war games serve as the cover for air defense sabotage, the execution of an "inside job, or both?
5. Flight 93
Did the Shanksville crash occur at 10:06 (according to a seismic report) or 10:03 (according to the 9/11 Commission)?
Does the Commission wish to hide what happened in the last three minutes of the flight, and if so, why?
Was Flight 93 shot down, as indicated by the scattering of debris over a trail of several miles?
6. Possible Smoking Guns
Did cell phones work at 30, 000 feet in 2001?
How many hijackings were attempted?
How many flights were diverted?
7. Demolition Hypothesis
What caused the collapse of a third skyscraper, WTC 7, which was not hit by a plane?
Were the Twin Towers and WTC 7 brought down by explosives? (See "The Case for Demolitions, " the websites wtc7.net and 911research.wtc7.net, and the influential article by physicist Steven Jones. See also items no. 16 and 24, below.)
Foreknowledge and the Alleged Hijackers
8. What did officials know?
How did they know it?
When did they know?
Multiple allied foreign agencies informed the US government of a coming attack in detail, including the manner and likely targets of the attack, the name of the operation (the "Big Wedding"), and the names of certain men later identified as being among the perpetrators.
Various individuals came into possession of specific advance knowledge, and some of them tried to warn the US prior to September 11th.
Certain prominent persons received warnings not to fly on the week or on the day of September 11th.
9. Able Danger, Surveillance of Alleged Hijackers
The men identified as the 9/11 ringleaders were under surveillance for years beforehand, on the suspicion they were terrorists, by a variety of US and allied authorities, including the CIA, the US military's Able Danger program, the German authorities, Israeli intelligence, and others.
Two of the alleged ringleaders who were known to be under surveillance by the CIA also lived with an FBI asset in San Diego, but this is supposed to be yet another a coincidence.
10. Obstruction of FBI Investigations Prior to 9/11
A group of FBI officials in New York systematically suppressed field investigations of potential terrorists that might have uncovered the alleged hijackers, as the Moussaoui case once again showed.
The stories of Sibel Edmonds, Robert Wright, Coleen Rowley and Harry Samit, the "Phoenix Memo, " David Schippers, the 199i orders restricting investigations, the Bush administration's order to back off the Bin Ladin family, the reaction to the "Bojinka" plot, and John O'Neil do not, when considered in sum, indicate mere incompetence, but high-level corruption and protection of criminal networks, including the network of the alleged 9/11 conspirators.
Nearly all of these examples were omitted from or relegated to fleeting footnotes in The 9/11 Commission Report.
11. Insider Trading
Unknown speculators allegedly used foreknowledge of the Sept. 11th events to profiteer on many markets internationally, including but not limited to put options placed to short-sell the two airlines, WTC tenants, and WTC re-insurance companies in Chicago and London.
In addition, suspicious monetary transactions worth hundreds of millions were conducted through offices at the Twin Towers during the actual attacks.
Initial reports on these trades were suppressed and forgotten, and only years later did the 9/11 Commission and SEC provide a partial, but untenable explanation for only a small number of transactions (covering only the airline put options through the Chicago Board of Exchange).
12. Who Were the Perpetrators?
Much of the evidence establishing who did the crime is dubious and miraculous: bags full of incriminating material that happened to miss the flight or were left in a van; the "magic passport" of an alleged hijacker found at Ground Zero; documents found at motels where the alleged perpetrators had stayed days and weeks before 9/11.
The identities of the alleged hijackers remain unresolved, there are contradictions in official accounts of their actions and travels, and there is evidence several of them had "doubles, " all of which is omitted from official investigations.
What happened to initial claims by the government that 50 people involved in the attacks had been identified, including the 19 alleged hijackers, with 10 still at large (suggesting that 20 had been apprehended)?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ade-50suspects, 0, 1825231.story
The 9/11 Cover-Up, 2001-2006
13. Who Is Osama Bin Ladin?
Who judges which of the many conflicting and dubious statements and videos attributed to Osama Bin Ladin are genuine, and which are fake? The most important Osama Bin Ladin video (Nov. 2001), in which he supposedly confesses to masterminding 9/11, appears to be a fake. In any event, the State Department's translation of it is fraudulent.
Did Osama Bin Ladin visit Dubai and meet a CIA agent in July 2001 (Le Figaro)? Was he receiving dialyses in a Pakistani military hospital on the night of September 10, 2001 (CBS)?
Whether by Bush or Clinton: Why is Osama always allowed to escape?
The terror network associated with Osama, known as the "data base" (al-Qaeda), originated in the CIA-sponsored 1980s anti-Soviet jihad in Afghanistan.
When did this network stop serving as an asset to covert operations by US intelligence and allied agencies?
What were its operatives doing in Kosovo, Bosnia, and Chechnya in the years prior to 9/11?
14. All the Signs of a Systematic Cover-Up
Airplane black boxes were found at Ground Zero, according to two first responders and an unnamed NTSB official, but they were "disappeared" and their existence is denied in The 9/11 Commission Report.
US officials consistently suppressed and destroyed evidence (like the tapes recorded by air traffic controllers who handled the New York flights).
Whistleblowers (like Sibel Edmonds and Anthony Shaffer) were intimidated, gagged and sanctioned, sending a clear signal to others who might be thinking about speaking out, yet officials who "failed" (like Myers and Eberhard, as well as Frasca, Maltbie and Bowman of the FBI) were given promotions.
15. Poisoning New York
The White House deliberately pressured the EPA into giving false public assurances that the toxic air at Ground Zero was safe to breathe.
This knowingly contributed to an as-yet unknown number of health cases and fatalities, and demonstrates that the administration does consider the lives of American citizens to be expendable on behalf of certain interests.
16. Disposing of the Crime Scene
The rapid and illegal scrapping of the WTC ruins at Ground Zero disposed of almost all of the structural steel indispensable to any investigation of the collapse mechanics. (See also item number 23.)
17. Anthrax
Mailings of weapons-grade anthrax, which caused a practical suspension of the 9/11 investigations, were traced back to US military stock.
Soon after the attacks began in October 2001, the FBI approved the destruction of the original samples of the Ames strain, disposing of perhaps the most important evidence in identifying the source of the pathogens used in the mailings.
Were the anthrax attacks timed to coincide with the Afghanistan invasion?
Why were letters sent only to media figures and leaders of the opposition in the Senate who had just raised objections to the USA Patriot Act?
18. The Stonewall
Colin Powell promised a "white paper" from the State Department to establish the authorship of the attacks by al-Qaeda. This was never forthcoming, and was instead replaced by a paper from Tony Blair, which presented only circumstantial evidence, with very few points actually relating to September 11th.
Bush and Cheney pressured the (freshly anthraxed) leadership of the Congressional opposition into delaying the 9/11 investigation for months.
The administration fought against the creation of an independent investigation for more than a year.
The White House thereupon attempted to appoint Henry Kissinger as the chief investigator, and acted to under fund and obstruct The 9/11 Commission.
19. A Record of Official Lies
"No one could have imagined planes into buildings." A transparent falsehood upheld repeatedly by Rice, Rumsfeld and Bush.
"Iraq was connected to 9/11." The most "outrageous conspiracy theory" of all, with the most disastrous impact.
20. Pakistani Connection. Congressional Connection
The Pakistani intelligence agency, ISI, creator of the Taliban and close ally to both the CIA and al-Qaeda, allegedly wired $100, 000 to Mohamed Atta just prior to September 11th, reportedly through the ISI asset Omar Saeed Sheikh (later arrested for the killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, who was investigating ISI connections to al-Qaeda.)
This was ignored by the congressional 9/11 investigation, although the senator and congressman who ran the probe (Bob Graham and Porter Goss) were meeting with the ISI chief, Mahmud Ahmed, on Capitol Hill on the morning of September 11th.
About 25% of the report of the Congressional Joint Inquiry was redacted, including long passages regarding how the attack (or the network allegedly behind it) was financed.
Graham later said foreign allies were involved in financing the alleged terror network, but that this would only come out in 30 years.
21. Unanswered Questions and the Final Fraud" of the 9/11 Commission
The September 11th families who fought for and gained an independent investigation (The 9/11 Commission) posed 400-plus questions, which The 9/11 Commission adopted as its roadmap. The vast majority of these questions were completely ignored in the Commission hearings and the final report.
The membership and staff of The 9/11 Commission displayed awesome conflicts of interest. The families called for the resignation of Executive Director Philip Zelikow, a Bush administration member and close associate of "star witness" Condoleezza Rice, and were snubbed. Commission member Max Cleland resigned, condemning the entire exercise as a "scam" and "whitewash."
The 9/11 Commission Report is notable mainly for its obvious omissions, distortions and outright falsehoods - ignoring anything incompatible with the official story, banishing the issues to footnotes, and even dismissing the still-unresolved question of who financed 9/11 as being "of little practical significance."
22. Crown Witnesses Held at Undisclosed Locations
The alleged masterminds of 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohamed (KSM) and Ramzi Binalshibh, are reported to have been captured in 2002 and 2003, although one Pakistani newspaper said KSM was killed in an attempted capture.
They have been held at undisclosed locations and their supposed testimonies, as provided in transcript form by the government, form much of the basis for The 9/11 Commission Report (although the commission's request to see them in person was denied).
After holding them for years, why doesn't the government produce these men and put them to trial?
23. Spitzer Redux
Eliot Spitzer, attorney general of New York State, snubbed pleas by New York citizens to open 9/11 as a criminal case (Justicefor911.org).
Spitzer also refused to allow his employee, former 9/11 Commission staff member Dietrich Snell, to testify to the Congress about his (Snell's) role in keeping Able Danger entirely out of The 9/11 Commission Report.
24. NIST Omissions
After the destruction of the WTC structural steel, the official Twin Towers collapse investigation was left with almost no forensic evidence, and thus could only provide dubious computer models of ultimately un-provable hypotheses.
It failed to even test for the possibility of explosives. Why not clear this up?
25. Radio Silence
The 9/11 Commission and NIST both allowed the continuing cover-up of how Motorola's faulty radios, purchased by the Giuliani administration, caused firefighter deaths at the WTC - once again showing the expendability, even of the first responders.
26. The Legal Catch-22
Hush Money - Accepting victims' compensation barred September 11th families from pursuing discovery through litigation.
Judge Hallerstein - Those who refused compensation to pursue litigation and discovery had their cases consolidated under the same judge (and as a rule dismissed).
27. Saudi Connections
The 9/11 investigations made light of the "Bin Ladin Airlift" during the no-fly period, and ignored the long-standing Bush family business ties to the Bin Ladin family fortune. (A company in which both families held interests, the Carlyle Group, was holding its annual meeting on September 11th, with George Bush Sr., James Baker, and two brothers of Osama Bin Ladin in attendance.)
The issue of Ptech.
28. Media Blackout of Prominent Doubters
The official story has been questioned and many of the above points raised by members of the US Congress, retired high-ranking officers of the US military, the three leading third-party candidates for President in the 2004 election, a member of The 9/11 Commission who resigned in protest, a former high-ranking adviser to the George W. Bush administration, former ministers to the German, British and Canadian governments, the commander-in-chief of the Russian air force, 100 luminaries who signed the "9/11 Truth Statement, " and the presidents of Iran and Venezuela. Not all of these people agree fully with each other, but all would normally be considered newsworthy. Why has the corporate-owned US mass media remained silent about these statements, granting due coverage only to the comments of actor Charlie Sheen?
Geopolitics, Timing, and Possible Motives
29. "The Great Game"
The Afghanistan invasion was ready for Bush's go-ahead on September 9, 2001, with US and UK force deployments to the region already in place or underway.
This followed the failure earlier that year of backdoor diplomacy with the Taliban (including payments of $125 million in US government aid to Afghanistan), in an attempt to secure a unity government for that country as a prerequisite to a Central Asian pipeline deal.
30. The Need for a "New Pearl Harbor"
Principals in US foreign policy under the current Bush administration (including Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle and others) have been instrumental in developing long-running plans for worldwide military hegemony, including an invasion of the Middle East, dating back to the Ford, Reagan, and Bush-41 administrations.
They reiterated these plans in the late 1990s as members of the "Project for a New American Century, " and stated a clear intent to invade Iraq for the purpose of "regime change." After 9/11, they lost no time in their attempt to tie Iraq to the attacks.
31. Perpetual "War on Terror"
September 11th is supposed to provide carte-blanche for an open-ended, global and perpetual "War on Terror, " against any enemy, foreign or domestic, that the executive branch chooses to designate, and regardless of whether evidence exists to actually connect these enemies to 9/11.
32. Attacking the Constitution
The USA PATRIOT Act was written and the Department of Homeland Security and "Shadow Government" were developed long before September 11th , and plans for rounding up dissidents as a means for suppressing civil disturbance have been in the works for decades.
September 11th was used as the pretext to create a new, extra-constitutional executive authority to declare anyone an "enemy combatant" (including American citizens), to detain persons indefinitely without habeas corpus, and to "render" such persons to secret prisons where torture is practiced.
33. Legal Trillions
September 11th triggers a predictable shift of public spending to war, and boosts public and private spending in the "new" New Economy of "Homeland Security, " biometrics, universal surveillance, prisons, civil defense, secured enclaves, security, and so forth.
34. Plundered Trillions?
On September 10, 2001, Donald Rumsfeld announced a "war on waste" after an internal audit found that the Pentagon was "missing" 2.3 trillion dollars in unaccounted assets. On September 11th, this was as good as forgotten.
35. Did 9/11 prevent a stock market crash?
Did anyone benefit from the destruction of the Securities and Exchange Commission offices at WTC 7, and the resultant crippling of hundreds of fraud investigations?
36. Global Resource Wars
What was discussed in the Energy Task Force meetings under Dick Cheney in 2001? Why is the documentation of these meetings still being suppressed? Is Peak Oil a motive for September 11th as inside job?
37. The "Little Game"
Why was the WTC privatized just before its destruction?
38. "Al-CIA-da?"
The longstanding relationship between US intelligence networks and radical Islamists, including the network surrounding Osama Bin Ladin. (See also point 13.4.)
39. Historical Precedents for "Synthetic Terror"
In the past many states, including the US government, have sponsored attacks on their own people, fabricated the "cause for war, " created (and armed) their own enemies of convenience, and sacrificed their own citizens for "reasons of state."
Was September 11th an update of the Pentagon-approved "Project Northwoods" plan for conducting self-inflicted, false-flag terror attacks in the United States, and blaming them on a foreign enemy?
40. Secret Government
The record of criminality and sponsorship of coups around the world by the covert networks based within the US intelligence complex.
The evidence of crime by Bush administration principals and their associates, from October Surprise to Iran-Contra to the S&L plunder to PNAC, Enron, Halliburton and beyond
Reason Number 41
Related Movements and Parallel Issues
Ground Zero Aftermath Movements
Justice for the air-poisoning cover-up (wtceo.org)
Radio Silence (radiosilencefdny.com)
Skyscraper Safety (www.skyscrapersafety.org).
Election Fraud and Black Box Voting, 2000 to 2004 (nov9truth.org)
Lies Regarding the Invasion of Iraq (afterdowningstreet.org)
Use of depleted uranium and its multi-generational consequences on human health and the environment.
Longstanding development of contingency plans for civil disturbance and military rule in the USA (see "The War at Home").
Oklahoma City Truth movement (okctruth.org)
Whether you call it "Globalization" or "The New World Order, " its an unsustainable system of permanent growth ultimately requires warfare, fraud, and mass manipulation.
Going Forward...
"But an inside job would involve thousands of people!
How could they keep a secret?"
Counter-arguments, red herrings, speculations and false information.
Selected essays, books and websites that make the case for 9/11 as inside job. (See Resources.)
Demanding a real investigation of the September crimes: Not just a patriotic duty, but a matter of survival; your survival and your children’s.
Please research for yourself.
TOP OFFICIALS QUESTION 9/11
Gov. officials speak out regarding 9/11
Colonel Ronald D. Ray (U.S. Marine Corps)
Colonel Ronald D. Ray is a practicing attorney in Kentucky and a highly decorated combat veteran of the Vietnam War (two Silver Stars, a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart.) He served as a Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense during the Reagan Administration and was appointed by President Bush to serve on the American Battle Monuments Commission (1990-1994), and on the 1992 Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces. From 1990 through 1994, he served as Military Historian and Deputy Director of Field Operations for the U.S. Marine Corps Historical Center, Washington, D.C. Colonel Ray, selected for Who's Who in America and in America Law, writes and speaks on a wide range of National Security, Historical, and Constitutional issues and has appeared on a variety of national television news broadcasts: ABC World News Tonight, Larry King Live, Hannity and Combs, Fox and Friends, The Today Show, Fox News, Crossfire, and a number of national radio broadcasts.
"I'm astounded that the conspiracy theory advanced by the administration could in fact be true and the evidence does not seem to suggest that's accurate. . .If the war on terror is real then the first thing that would have happened within a matter of weeks after 9/11 would have been we'd have closed the borders off. . .You have no national security if your borders are not secure." - Colonel Ronald D. Ray
Bill Christison (CIA)
William Christison or Bill Christison and his wife Kathleen Christison worked for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Bill Christison joined the CIA in 1950, and served on the analysis side of the Agency for 28 years. From the early 1970s he served as National Intelligence Officer (principal adviser to the Director of Central Intelligence on certain areas) for, at various times, Southeast Asia, South Asia and Africa. Before he retired in 1979 he was Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis, a 250-person unit.
" At the Los Angeles meeting of the American Scholars' Symposium, one of the main speakers, Webster Tarpley, summarized his own views on the events of 9/11. He emphasized that "neocon fascist madmen" had perpetrated the 9/11 "myth." He went on to say, "The most important thing is that the 9/11 myth is the premise and the root of the Afghanistan War and the Iraq War and the coming attack on Iran. ... We must ... deprive [the myth's perpetrators] of the ability to stampede and manipulate hundreds of millions of people [with their] ... cynically planned terrorist events."
Let's give Webster Tarpley and other mistakenly labeled conspiracists who have labored in the wilderness for so long three cheers." - Bill Christison
Ray McGovern (CIA)
McGovern was a mid level officer in the CIA in the 1960s where his focus was analysis of Soviet policy toward Vietnam. McGovern was one of President Ronald Reagan's intelligence briefers from 1981-85 when he was in charge of preparing daily security briefs for the President, the Vice President, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Cabinet and National Security Advisor. Later, McGovern was one of several senior CIA analysts who prepared the President's Daily Brief (PDB) for President George Herbert Walker Bush. Upon retirement, McGovern was awarded the Intelligence Commendation Medal from George Herbert Walker Bush (which he later returned) and worked for Washington-based non-profits before becoming co-director of the Servant Leadership School in Washington. McGovern was a graduate, summa cum laude, of Fordham University. A "Distinguished Military Graduate", he served in the US Army from 1962-64 as an intelligence officer. McGovern also received an M.A. in Russian Studies from Fordham University, a certificate in Theological Studies from Georgetown University and was a graduate of Harvard Business School's Advanced Management Program.
Ray McGovern confirmed his support for 9/11 being an inside job by his public endorsement of David Ray Griffin's work on 9/11. Stating that he "used to be an agnostic" on the issue of government complicity until reading The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions.
Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col. (United States Air Force)
Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. is President of the Institute for Space and Security Studies, Executive Vice President of Millennium III Corporation, and retired Presiding Archbishop of the United Catholic Church. He flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam and directed all the "Star Wars" programs under Presidents Ford and Carter. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President's Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers' ROTC Award of Merit (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country's foremost experts on National Security.
"9-11 is based on a pack of lies. It wasn't misjudgment; it was treason." - Robert Bowman
Morgan O. Reynolds (US Government)
Morgan O. Reynolds is professor emeritus at Texas A&M University and former director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis headquartered in Dallas, TX. He served as chief economist for the United States Department of Labor during 20012002, George W. Bush's first term.
"Occam's razor would suggest that the outward bends in the perimeter columns were caused by explosions from inside the tower rather than bends caused by airliner impact from outside. Also supporting this theory is the fact that the uniformly neat ends of the blown perimeter columns are consistent with the linear shaped charges demolition experts use to slice steel as thick as 10 inches. The hypothesis of linear shaped charges also explains the perfectly formed crosses found in the rubble (crucifix-shaped fragments of core column structures), as well as the rather-neatly shorn steel everywhere." - Morgan Reynolds
Paul Craig Roberts (US Government)
Former Senior Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution, a former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration, and a prolific and popular journalist. He is a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service. He is a graduate of the Georgia Institute of Technology and he holds a Ph.D. from the University of Virginia. He was a post-graduate at the University of California, Berkeley, and Oxford University where he was a member of Merton College. In 1992 he received the Warren Brookes Award for Excellence in Journalism. In 1993 the Forbes Media Guide ranked him as one of the top seven journalists in the United States.
"I know many qualified engineers and scientists have said the WTC collapsed from explosives. In fact, if you look at the manner in which it fell, you have to give their conclusions credibility." - Paul Craig Roberts
Andreas von Bülow (German Government)
He served as state-secretary in the German Federal Ministry of Defence (1976-1980) and Minister for Research and Technology (1980-1982), both during the Chancellor Helmut Schmidt administration, and was regarded as a "rising star" of German politics at the time. He served for 25 years as an SPD member of the German parliament (1969-1994). In the late eighties and early nineties, he served on the parliamentary committee on intelligence services ("Parlamentarischer Kontrollausschuss"). This committee supervises German intelligence agencies and has access to classified information. In the early nineties, von Bülow also served as SPD ranking member of the Schalck-Golodkowski investigation committee, a task that first led him to inquire into white collar crime in connection with Eastern intelligence services, and later also into what he labels "criminal activities" of Western intelligence services. His first major publication dealing with this realm, In the Name of the State (German:Im Namen des Staates) is a heavily referenced and extensive study focusing mostly on the CIA. Since leaving the Bundestag, he has largely left the SPD's political loop.
"Well, nobody can prove what happened 9 11 directly because it has been a covert operation and you don't find proof; you will find only indications. And one of the indications- the indication that everything is right with these nineteen people and Usama bin Laden is that the government is free to show all the prove that is on the table that is on the street that lays on the ground of the World Trade Center and so on and so on. If you have a covert operation the probability is always that the leftover pieces of proof are taken away immediately and a lot of secrecy, a band of secrecy, has taken over everything. And, this has happened with 9 11." - Andreas von Bülow
General Leonid Ivashov (Russian Army)
General Leonid Ivashov was the Chief of the Department for General Affairs in the Soviet Union's Ministry of Defense, Secretary of the Council of Defense Ministers of the Community of Independent States (CIS), Chief of the Military Co-operation Department at the Russian Federation's Ministry of Defense, and Joint Chief of Staff of the Russian Armies. He was serving at the time of the 9/11 attacks.
"Osama bin Laden and "Al Qaeda" cannot be the organizers or the performers of the September 11 attacks. They do not have the necessary organization, resources or leaders. Thus, a team of professionals had to be created and the Arab kamikazes are just extras to mask the operation. The September 11 operation modified the course of events in the world in the direction chosen by transnational mafias and international oligarchs; that is, those who hope to control the planet's natural resources, the world information network and the financial flows. This operation also favored the US economic and political elite that also seek world dominance." - General Leonid Ivashov
David Shayler (British Security Service - MI5)
David Shayler was an officer for the British Security Service (MI5) from 1991 1996.
"I've seen the results of terroristic explosions and so on and no terrorist explosion has ever brought down a building. When the IRA put something like a thousands tonnes of home-made explosives in front of the Baltic Exchange building in Bishopsgate and let off the bomb, all the glass came out, the building shook a bit but there was no question about the building falling down and it doesn't obey the laws of physics for buildings to fall down in the way the World Trade Center came down. So you have the comparison of the two, Building 7 compared with the north and south towers coming down and those two things are exactly the same, they were demolished." - David Shayler |
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Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
I'm gonna go find that Colin Powell pic RIGHT now.... |
There's a quote often attributed to Allen Dulles after it was noted that the final 1964 report of the Warren Commission on the assassination of JFK contained dramatic inconsistencies. Those inconsistencies, in effect, disproved the Commission's own final conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone on November 22, 1963. Dulles, a career spy, Wall Street lawyer, the CIA director whom JFK had fired after the 1961 Bay of Pigs fiasco - and the Warren Commission member who took charge of the investigation and final report - is reported to have said, "The American people don't read." |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Quote: Originally posted by FatesWebb
hey dumbass, you can see the building over her shoulder, so the time doesnt matter..... the building is in the background... furthermore I reported this HERE before it hit any conspiracy site. YOU HEARD IT FIRST! |
HEY DUMB ASS! YOU DON"T HAVE A TIME AND DATE STAMP ON ANY OF IT! IT SAYS "CLAIMS" .
THAT MEANS ITS NOT A FACT.
NOW START OVER GENIUS! |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by FatesWebb
There's a quote often attributed to Allen Dulles after it was noted that the final 1964 report of the Warren Commission on the assassination of JFK contained dramatic inconsistencies. Those inconsistencies, in effect, disproved the Commission's own final conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone on November 22, 1963. Dulles, a career spy, Wall Street lawyer, the CIA director whom JFK had fired after the 1961 Bay of Pigs fiasco - and the Warren Commission member who took charge of the investigation and final report - is reported to have said, "The American people don't read." |
I'm sorry, I stopped reading your post after "There's"
What were you saying? |
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| Billyfromsphily |
| TOUCHE , Hal, Touche ! |
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| Stickman |
With all we know about WTC 7, how do people just ignore and argue against this?
This is a perfect example of corroborating evidence.
This is new evidence and it corroborates the working theory that WTC 7 was a controlled demo.
I'm sure the powers that be just wanted WTC 7 to be forgotten, but they had to demo the OEM. Fortunately for anyone interested in the truth there is video and photo, just not of what supports their conspiracy theory. |
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| KOAJaps |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Are you suggesting that there was some kind of a cover up? That never happens. Reporters never change their stories. The media is always telling us the truth. The gov't never lies. |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
Snoopy,
Sorry, I didn't get back to you, I had to leave work and go see a friend last night that I hadn't seen in like months.
Anyway.... here's the point of my post before.
I am not a firefighter.... I have never trained to be a firefighter, I don't have any friends that are firefighters, I don't know the techniques EMPLOYED by firefighters in the case of fires.
I don't know if they have the ability to 'pull' a building down... but I assumed it was because they were concerned with the way it would fall, so maybe they had the ability to somehow take it down in a controlled manner of some sort, and maybe they did wire it so it could come down properly because the alternative would be to let it just fall apart...
I don't know is what I am saying, I am speculating... something that everyone ELSE seems to do but then say they shouldn't do. I'm trying to understand the events that unfolded. Being from California, I didn't get to 'see' or 'hear' things like you east coasters did. I'm on the other side of the fucking country.
I don't know what firefighters can do, or not do. I don't know the properties of a falling building or the consequences of it falling naturally vs. controlled demolition. I don't know what was 'said' that day, I don't know what really happened.
I'm merely trying to ask some questions, and everytime I do, I'm met with people who are too passionate about the subject to try and answer my questions without thinking I'm trying to prove something. |
My working in NYC doesn't make me any more of an expert that someone from California, but I know enough to know unless they did advance demolosion work ahead of time, it wouldn't be possible to make a determination to wreck the building on the fly. So, your left with two choices believe what qualified engineers say or buy into the pre-wired story. I understand you're trying to ask questions to understand, but you often come up with something that would be in the middle. Unfortunately, there is no middle. There was either a government conspiracy (not a government fuck up) or there was a terrorist attack. |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Let the spin begin...
Guns & Butter Radio interview - April 27th 2005:
Hosted by Bonnie Falkner
Guest: Indira Singh (Ground Zero Emergency Worker)
Bonnie: How long did you work as an emergency medical technician and exactly what is it that you were doing (at ground zero)?
Indira: ...when I got there we were setting up triage sites (at ground zero), close, very close to the area. The triage site that I was setting up was behind, well, to the east of Building 7 where Building 7 came down...
...we were setting up triages as close to the pile as possible… so what we were doing was setting up different kinds of stations… IV stations, cardiac stations, wound stations, burn stations ...just trying to have an organized space. What happened with that particular triage site is that pretty soon afternoon, after mid-day on 9/11 we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down... I do believe that they brought Building 7 down... By noon or one o'clock they told us we had to move from that triage site up to Pace University a little further away because Building 7 was going to come down or being brought down.
Bonnie: Did they actually use the word "brought down" and who was it that was telling you this?
Indira: The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down." |
What spin? You post her in every discussion. Isn't time you brought in Brumer. I'm continually amazed at the incredibly small number of witnesses your silly story relies on. It's her (and her investigation of Bush and Saudis) with her story that has no corroboration. The firefighter who's statment came years after the attack and after he watched Loose Change, and the IT guy who in a building of 50,000 that included banks and other highly secure companies is the only who could corroborate a power down.
Here are the witnesses to the day, find someone who agrees with this conspiracy. If you can't, try not recycling the same people with credibility problems.
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/htm...stories_01.html |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by FatesWebb
Al Qaeda is bullshit too.... it is created by western intelligence. another thing for you to deny. Let me ask you this, where do you think the name AL QAEDA came from? |
This like a lot of crap this guy says is debatable. He's going to take his scenario, post some blog shit than call it truth. Whatever the origins, who cares. They worked with us during their war with the Soviet Union. It was seemingly in the best intrest for the both of us (hindsight is yadda yadda yadda). This and the origin of the name are not proof that Al Qeda is on our payroll. It's just more silly conspiracy speculation...or just a bunch of crap amounting to nothing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda
Osama bin Laden explained the origin of the term in his videotaped interview with al Jazeera journalist Tayseer Alouni in late October 2001:
“ The name 'al-Qaeda' was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al-Qaeda [meaning "the base" in English]. The name stayed.[11] ”
An alternative theory, presented in the BBC film series "The Power of Nightmares", states that the name and concept of al-Qaeda was first used by the U.S. Department of Justice in January 2001, at the New York City trial of four men accused of the 1998 United States embassy bombings in East Africa. By alleging Osama bin Laden's leadership of the organization, it became possible to charge bin Laden in absentia with the crime using the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, also known as the RICO statutes.[12]
According to this theory, the name "al-Qaeda" was first provided to US prosecutors by Jamal al-Fadl, a former Sudanese employee of bin Laden. After Fadl was caught stealing $110,000 from bin Laden, he turned himself over to U.S. agents.[13]
The series alleged that once the U.S. Department of Justice popularized the name of al-Qaeda, bin Laden continued to use it because the notion that he was working with an armed group proved a potent political strategy. The documentary claims that bin Laden, working with an isolated group of Islamists that had once fought alongside the mujahedeen, began using the term after the September 11, 2001 attacks.
Journalist Peter Bergen cites a document from 11 August 1988 establishing al-Qaeda and referring to it as "the base." The document contained the minutes of the first meeting establishing the organization: "This document outlines the discussion between bin Laden, referred to as 'the Sheikh', and Abu Rida, or Mohamed Loay Bayazid, to discuss the formation of a 'new military group', which would include 'al Qaeda (the base).'" |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by FatesWebb
bullshit |
I could give a shit if you don't believe that I saw WTC 7 fall, that whole day is part of my personal experience. However, the reports of the buidlings pending collapse were not bullshit. They reported the damage, talked about the buidlings evacuation, and said they thought it was coming down. That was an educated guess based on the damage they saw and they were correct, it fell. They were saying the same thing later in the day and on the 12th about the Deutche Bank building (you know...the non Silverstein Building that has been unusable since the attack). They got that one wrong...or should I say the pre-wired explsosives failed. |
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| jigzaw |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
I know you don't have the capacity to expand your mind and consider a range of possibilities, but you'd have to know that WTC 7 was not just another office building.
It was the command and control center of 9/11. It had to be destroyed after the operation. |
This still doesn't address at all the question of WHY they would announce to the world that the building would fall if it was a cover-up? Why would they give you guys so much ammunition? There is no logic here. |
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| FatesWebb |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
What spin? You post her in every discussion. Isn't time you brought in Brumer. I'm continually amazed at the incredibly small number of witnesses your silly story relies on. It's her (and her investigation of Bush and Saudis) with her story that has no corroboration. The firefighter who's statment came years after the attack and after he watched Loose Change, and the IT guy who in a building of 50,000 that included banks and other highly secure companies is the only who could corroborate a power down.
Here are the witnesses to the day, find someone who agrees with this conspiracy. If you can't, try not recycling the same people with credibility problems.
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/htm...stories_01.html |
WHOA, hold up, your ignoring that
4 witnesses at the pentagon including 2 pentagon officers, 1 station attendent, and one other witness have all proven that the plane DID NOT HIT THE PENTAGON!!
they all agree with the official flight data recorder AS WELL!!!!
so while the official story AND THE DAMAGE TO THE BUILDING is at a 45 degree angle, all of the witnesses, and the flight data recorder were at a 90 degree angle. SO HOW ABOUT THAT??? NOT POSSIBLE.
GOOD LUCK BUDDY, but really you lose!! game over. |
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| FatesWebb |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
This like a lot of crap this guy says is debatable. He's going to take his scenario, post some blog shit than call it truth. Whatever the origins, who cares. They worked with us during their war with the Soviet Union. It was seemingly in the best intrest for the both of us (hindsight is yadda yadda yadda). This and the origin of the name are not proof that Al Qeda is on our payroll. It's just more silly conspiracy speculation...or just a bunch of crap amounting to nothing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda
Osama bin Laden explained the origin of the term in his videotaped interview with al Jazeera journalist Tayseer Alouni in late October 2001:
“ The name 'al-Qaeda' was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al-Qaeda [meaning "the base" in English]. The name stayed.[11] ”
An alternative theory, presented in the BBC film series "The Power of Nightmares", states that the name and concept of al-Qaeda was first used by the U.S. Department of Justice in January 2001, at the New York City trial of four men accused of the 1998 United States embassy bombings in East Africa. By alleging Osama bin Laden's leadership of the organization, it became possible to charge bin Laden in absentia with the crime using the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, also known as the RICO statutes.[12]
According to this theory, the name "al-Qaeda" was first provided to US prosecutors by Jamal al-Fadl, a former Sudanese employee of bin Laden. After Fadl was caught stealing $110,000 from bin Laden, he turned himself over to U.S. agents.[13]
The series alleged that once the U.S. Department of Justice popularized the name of al-Qaeda, bin Laden continued to use it because the notion that he was working with an armed group proved a potent political strategy. The documentary claims that bin Laden, working with an isolated group of Islamists that had once fought alongside the mujahedeen, began using the term after the September 11, 2001 attacks.
Journalist Peter Bergen cites a document from 11 August 1988 establishing al-Qaeda and referring to it as "the base." The document contained the minutes of the first meeting establishing the organization: "This document outlines the discussion between bin Laden, referred to as 'the Sheikh', and Abu Rida, or Mohamed Loay Bayazid, to discuss the formation of a 'new military group', which would include 'al Qaeda (the base).'" |
ahahahaaa... so now your using the bbc as a source, and since this thread is about the bbc, lets bring this out... you actually used it as a source..
The power of nightmares
3 part bbc documentary. must see
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...626006461047517
part2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...930933565201168
part3
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...090417189127240
watch it, you will see that even the BBC knows this is all propaganda bullshit to keep the sheep in line... you did just use it as a source, funny you havent even watched it. |
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| FatesWebb |
Quote: Originally posted by jigzaw
This still doesn't address at all the question of WHY they would announce to the world that the building would fall if it was a cover-up? Why would they give you guys so much ammunition? There is no logic here. |
SO.... every fucking thing else is a mistake????? "it was a mistake"is you guys answer to everything but for this it is not possible that they made a mistake?
you guys use the it was a mistake as an excuse for everything, you say that it was incompetence as an excuse for everything, but the ONE FUCKING TIME we say that they made a mistake, you act like it is not possible? nice fucking job!!! really!! |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Can't afford any mistakes when you implicate as many people in a crime as hideous as you suggest. Its not like its a game of CLUE. ( I think it was Osama with a jet plane in Manhattan).
Everything you accuse someone of has to be the truth , the whole truth and nothing but the truth!
Can't say that everything you have posted is the complete truth .
The logic is the is missing here.
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| KOAJaps |
| Why would they no cover it up? Because the elite: illuminati, Skull and Bones, CFR and so on know they can. That's how sick these people are |
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| Billyfromsphily |
| Like there were no Yalies in any of the companies offices in the buildings? |
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| KOAJaps |
| I'd be deeply surprised if there weren't |
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| Stickman |
Now here's a shock:
We no longer have the original tapes of our 9/11 coverage (for reasons of cock-up, not conspiracy). So if someone has got a recording of our output, I'd love to get hold of it. We do have the tapes for our sister channel News 24, but they don't help clear up the issue one way or another.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theedito...conspiracy.html |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by FatesWebb
WHOA, hold up, your ignoring that
4 witnesses at the pentagon including 2 pentagon officers, 1 station attendent, and one other witness have all proven that the plane DID NOT HIT THE PENTAGON!!
they all agree with the official flight data recorder AS WELL!!!!
so while the official story AND THE DAMAGE TO THE BUILDING is at a 45 degree angle, all of the witnesses, and the flight data recorder were at a 90 degree angle. SO HOW ABOUT THAT??? NOT POSSIBLE.
GOOD LUCK BUDDY, but really you lose!! game over. |
Indira Singh is a uncredible WTC witness, stay with us conpsiracy boy. |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Indira Singh is a uncredible WTC witness, stay with us conpsiracy boy. |
Why? |
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| Snoopyrules |
I toldy you this guy would post his blog crap and call it proof. This is proof of nothing, it's far reaching speculation that you call definitive proof. It's how you work. |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Why? |
Because |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Because |
Fucking faggot ass douche. That's it? You just trash a source for the sake of trashing her? You're a fucking scum bag, and nothing else, Got it?
Now let me ask you something else.
You claim to have watched WTC 7 fall. So you were in lower Manhattan on 9/11 at 5:30pm?
Where? What street? How did you get home?
Keep in mind I wasn't there, but I know a lot of people who were. I know the evacuation routes, I know how people from Jersey got home. I'm very familiar with this because my dad had to be evacuated in 93 during the first bombing of the WTC. |
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| FatesWebb |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
Can't afford any mistakes when you implicate as many people in a crime as hideous as you suggest. Its not like its a game of CLUE. ( I think it was Osama with a jet plane in Manhattan).
Everything you accuse someone of has to be the truth , the whole truth and nothing but the truth!
Can't say that everything you have posted is the complete truth .
The logic is the is missing here.
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I have accused nobody, I have only stated facts, you just accused someone, and there is no evidence. Funny you dont follow your own rules.
Where is your proof that Osama did it? or had anything at all to do with it? |
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| FatesWebb |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Indira Singh is a uncredible WTC witness, stay with us conpsiracy boy. |
I am talking about the pentagon, why do you ignore that the witnesses and FDR prove that the plane did not cause the damage to the building, oh yeah that isnt on your website, nevermind. |
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