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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Are you being serious, there was no ferry service after 1967. Read the history. It did not start again until Arthur Imperial had a plan. It didn't really get going until the late 80's, early 90's. I as well as everyone else around here grew up calling thing that floated and carried people in the water a boat. There were NO FERRIES during those years. To get to New York you took a bus. A boat is a ferry, a ferry is a boat. This arguing point of yours is stupid.
I cannot believe I'm arguing this point with a hick from Florida with a bad fence and a dirty yard. |
This "hick" from florida was born in Queens and raised in Jersey. I guess no one from the tri state area moves to Florida. Have you been to Florida recently? |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
Its interesting that in the link that is posted, several lines down the terms Boat and ferry are used synonymously.
I guess the term "fucking douchebag lying scumbag" Must be a self appraisal?
By the way , douche bag is two words.
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Hey look at that, it says boat. The ferries are also called boats in the article about Arthur Imeprial.
His point was stupid anway. He argued this like he argue the WTC stuff. He just makes crap up to try to win. |
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| Stickman |
I still think you googled the WTC site to check the sight lines and you went to wikipedia for the history of the ferries.
What difference does it make when the ferries restarted, they had been running again for over twenty years?
I personally was on the Staten Island ferry many times. You know the ones where you drive your car onto the lower level and then walk up to the observation level. They've been around for a long time. |
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| Stickman |
What a surprise that neither Snoopy nor Bily from Phily addressed the article I posted about yet another engineer questioning the WTC collapse.
What's the matter, 911myths hasn't published a debunking for you to cut and paste? |
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| Stickman |
So you still think that Larry Silverstein, BBC, CNN or anyone else for that matter could have possibly predicted the collapse of WTC 7? Read carefully...
http://infowars.net/articles/march2...307BBC_WTC7.htm
In 1989 the New York Times reported on this fact in a story covering the Salomon leasing of the building which had been completed just two years earlier.
Salomon had wanted to build a new structure in order to house its high-technology operations, but due to stock market crash in 1987 it was unable to. The company searched for an existing building that they could use and found one in Larry Silverstein's WTC 7.
The Times reported:
BEFORE it moves into a new office tower in downtown Manhattan, Salomon Brothers, the brokerage firm, intends to spend nearly two years and more than $200 million cutting out floors, adding elevators, reinforcing steel girders, upgrading power supplies and making other improvements in its million square feet of space...
In some office buildings, that alteration would be impossible, but Silverstein Properties tried to second-guess the needs of potential tenants when it designed Seven World Trade Center as a speculative project.
''We built in enough redundancy to allow entire portions of floors to be removed without affecting the building's structural integrity, on the assumption that someone might need double-height floors,'' said Larry Silverstein, president of the company. ''Sure enough, Salomon had that need...
MORE than 375 tons of steel - requiring 12 miles of welding - will be installed to reinforce floors for Salomon's extra equipment. |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
I still think you googled the WTC site to check the sight lines and you went to wikipedia for the history of the ferries.
What difference does it make when the ferries restarted, they had been running again for over twenty years?
I personally was on the Staten Island ferry many times. You know the ones where you drive your car onto the lower level and then walk up to the observation level. They've been around for a long time. |
No, I don't personally know the Staten Island Ferry. Staten Island sucks. Go ahead and think whatever your hick ass wants to. I could give 2 shits. You talk about a connection to this area, but it's obviously very weak,. You have no credibility when it comes to talking about this. BTW, Here is the first time (December) I mentioned what I saw . (http://www.sternfannetwork.com/foru...15&pagenumber=4 ....I called it a ferry in that one). |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
What a surprise that neither Snoopy nor Bily from Phily addressed the article I posted about yet another engineer questioning the WTC collapse.
What's the matter, 911myths hasn't published a debunking for you to cut and paste? |
Why do you think we need to respond to the same shit in a different thread. You're offering nothing new. You two are dumbasses. |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
No, I don't personally know the Staten Island Ferry. Staten Island sucks. |
Holy shit, dude.
Don't know the SI ferry??? It's one of the most prominent images in the area around lower Manhattan. That's what you see in the Dave Letterman intro. The fucking service has been around since the 1770s.
Millions of people ride it every year. It runs 24/7/365.
You're really exposing yourself as a fraud now. |
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| FatesWebb |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
Think is a stretch for you!
Your such a scholar yourself that you should spend more time brushing up on your physics, metallurgy, and so on and so on!
The difference again is that the word NO means negative and Know means understand, are you following me? This is more than a typo. Now do you need a U-TUBE video to explain it or do you have your degree in English to back yourself up?
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oh, you mean like when YOU used Loose which means not tight, rather than lose which means not win...
hmmm... your one to talk.. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Salomon was out of business in 1991.
So you spent the first 24 years of your life in New Jersey and you never heard of a ferry BOAT???? |
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| FatesWebb |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
This tactic of just calling every piece of crap wacko blog shit "UNREFUTABLE" is really annoying. You have done nothing to prove anything. With all your research, you just keep regurgitating the same shit over and over again. You have nothing but a silly theory and repeated claims of victory preceeded and followed by the word HA. |
again, do you even know what a blog is? because you use this word to describe everything.
It is unrefutable, you havent even seen it yet so how would you know? also I am not regurgitating something as it is new information. released about 1 week ago.
Also this is not repeated claims, I have completely changed what I believe happened. You are the one regurgitating blogs, and websites. myths.com |
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| FatesWebb |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
They have to belittle because they refuse to do any research other than cut and paste .
They take the focus off of their mistakes and regurgitation by attacking anything they can use to deflect from their shortcomings.
Because we are all douchebags and assholes and assorted other terms that show the level of their refinement, They think they have won. The problem is what have they won?????
Some discrepancies exist and some mistakes were made by people who should have known better but after 5 years what kind of investigation are they going to force and who would they convict? The President will walk away free and if he had to , he would pardon himself and anyone else. So what is the point of it?
They love the attention and the feeling of victory from these countless threads.
HA!
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so this is what it has come down to, you guys completely refuse to even look at the information? and you say you actually want to know the truth. |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
Salomon was out of business in 1991.
So you spent the first 24 years of your life in New Jersey and you never heard of a ferry BOAT???? |
If you wanted to get from SI to Manhattan or Weekhawken to Manhattan you took a ferry, not a boat. We called it the ferry. If you said boat, no one would know what you're talking about. |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
If you wanted to get from SI to Manhattan or Weekhawken to Manhattan you took a ferry, not a boat. We called it the ferry. If you said boat, no one would know what you're talking about. |
fer·ry /ˈfɛri/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fer-ee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, plural -ries, verb, -ried, -ry·ing.
–noun 1. a commercial service with terminals and boats for transporting persons, automobiles, etc., across a river or other comparatively small body of water.
2. a ferryboat .
3. a service for flying airplanes over a particular route, esp. the delivery of airplanes to an overseas purchaser or base of operations.
4. the legal right to ferry passengers, cargo, etc., and to charge for the service. |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
fer·ry /ˈfɛri/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fer-ee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, plural -ries, verb, -ried, -ry·ing.
–noun 1. a commercial service with terminals and boats for transporting persons, automobiles, etc., across a river or other comparatively small body of water.
2. a ferryboat .
3. a service for flying airplanes over a particular route, esp. the delivery of airplanes to an overseas purchaser or base of operations.
4. the legal right to ferry passengers, cargo, etc., and to charge for the service. |
I'm well aware a ferry is a type of boat, but I'm talking about what people in the area call those "boats" that carry people and cars back and forth across the river. People don't say, I'm waiting on the Staten Island Boat.
Or, I'm going to Hoboken to take the boat to Manhattan. Sorry, that's just not the vernacular.
Besides, who in the area doesn't know of the Staten Island Ferry? |
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| FatesWebb |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
I still think you googled the WTC site to check the sight lines and you went to wikipedia for the history of the ferries.
What difference does it make when the ferries restarted, they had been running again for over twenty years?
I personally was on the Staten Island ferry many times. You know the ones where you drive your car onto the lower level and then walk up to the observation level. They've been around for a long time. |
dude he isnt that smart, are you kidding me? your giving him WAY too much credit... |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by FatesWebb
dude he isnt that smart, are you kidding me? your giving him WAY too much credit... |
He appears to be about one asshair smarter than Billy.
He couldn't even approximate what time of day he was on the "boat" back to Jersey, just at the moment WTC 7 fell. |
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| FatesWebb |
| this thread has gone to complete shit, instead of discussing the facts, nobody even wants to see them. Ferry, boat, sea-do..... WGAS... |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by FatesWebb
this thread has gone to complete shit, instead of discussing the facts, nobody even wants to see them. Ferry, boat, sea-do..... WGAS... |
I tried to resist, but after a few exchanges his story started to fall apart. I apologize for my part in dumbing down the thread. I always feel a bit dumber after responding to Snoopy and Billy, I mean Bily. |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by FatesWebb
this thread has gone to complete shit, instead of discussing the facts, nobody even wants to see them. Ferry, boat, sea-do..... WGAS... |
That's why I posted the definition. It was as silly as this thread has become. ;) |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
That's why I posted the definition. It was as silly as this thread has become. ;) |
So refocus the thread and address the fact that multiple sources reported the collapse of WTC 7 before it actually collapsed. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Quote: Originally posted by FatesWebb
so this is what it has come down to, you guys completely refuse to even look at the information? and you say you actually want to know the truth. |
Those are your words again , not mine, so the guilt trip route will not work. I hope your continued indignation ends someday.
I am satisfied with what I saw on 9/11/01 and what information has been presented by professionals.
The truth will stand the test of time without my input. |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
Those are your words again , not mine, so the guilt trip route will not work. I hope your continued indignation ends someday.
I am satisfied with what I saw on 9/11/01 and what information has been presented by professionals.
The truth will stand the test of time without my input. |
Honestly, so why do you continue to post to these threads? |
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| FatesWebb |
you heard it here first, people....
(how do you say that in german... hmmm.. oh yeah....)
Sie hörten es hier erste Leute.... |
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| Billyfromsphily |
So you have some semantics problems and you haven't found anything that explains it in the context in which they were said. You only have your conjecture.
Now let me go back to a great dinner that will be had tonight in Sphily. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
I'm well aware a ferry is a type of boat, but I'm talking about what people in the area call those "boats" that carry people and cars back and forth across the river. People don't say, I'm waiting on the Staten Island Boat.
Or, I'm going to Hoboken to take the boat to Manhattan. Sorry, that's just not the vernacular.
Besides, who in the area doesn't know of the Staten Island Ferry? |
What doe sthis whole exchange do to prove there was a conspiracy? Snoop obviously can prove that he was there that day, so his calling it a boat makes you a genius???
Stop the deflecting and tell us more about how Building 7 was wired and destroyed? |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Holy shit, dude.
Don't know the SI ferry??? It's one of the most prominent images in the area around lower Manhattan. That's what you see in the Dave Letterman intro. The fucking service has been around since the 1770s.
Millions of people ride it every year. It runs 24/7/365.
You're really exposing yourself as a fraud now. |
Please, just stop idiot, of course I know of the Staten Island Ferry, but I'm from Northen NJ, so I don't personally know it which is the question you asked. You don't have to be from NJ to know what the Staten Island is; however I never stepped foot on one and it was not part of any personal connection I had. Keep trying hick, the WTC 7 account is real. Go ahead and keep pretending you know the venacular up here dumbass. |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
I tried to resist, but after a few exchanges his story started to fall apart. I apologize for my part in dumbing down the thread. I always feel a bit dumber after responding to Snoopy and Billy, I mean Bily. |
Really genius? it fell apart with your boat vs. ferry proof. How about starting another nonsensical thread with the same shit than get upset that people don't post to it. This is your new tactic since you can't do anything with the facts thing. |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by FatesWebb
dude he isnt that smart, are you kidding me? your giving him WAY too much credit... |
It is you're giving him WAY too much credit. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Quote: Originally posted by FatesWebb
this thread has gone to complete shit, instead of discussing the facts, nobody even wants to see them. Ferry, boat, sea-do..... WGAS... |
Why has it gone to shit????
The constant attacks on semantics and non essential name calling by Stickman constitute deflection from the subject.
Thats why it is shit! |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
Why has it gone to shit????
The constant attacks on semantics and non essential name calling by Stickman constitute deflection from the subject.
Thats why it is shit! |
Exactly! F-ing Sherlock Holmes thinks a ferry has never been referred to as a boat and is trying to press me as though he's uncovering something. It's the same idiotic lack of skills that he uses in trying to push the silly conspiracy. It's an example of how poorly he puts pieces together. |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
How about starting another nonsensical thread with the same shit than get upset that people don't post to it. This is your new tactic since you can't do anything with the facts thing. |
I did, Another Structural Engineer Questions the WTC Collapse
Weren't you the bitch who kept bitching that no engineers question the CD theory? |
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| KOAJaps |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Hmmm what? I have no idea what you're hmming. This post makes no sense. Edit this and make it coherent. |
OK Snoopy, let me make it so even you could understand it.
Remember the three links I put up? Well they were kinda big so I decided to put the links instead. Oh but I did make a mistake, so lets go at step-by-step:
The following photos are from the University of Purdue explaining, actually debunking the conspiracy theories
01)http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/imag...n.pentagon.jpeg
The photo shows how the jet, a 767, made its way to the facade on that day
02) http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/imag....pentagon2.jpeg
This photo shows the initial impact and fiery explosion
03) http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/imag....pentagon3.jpeg
Now this photos shows how the plane deteriorated.
Great scientific approach these Purdue University scientists are, right? The only problem with that though? Journalists shows the photo of the aftermath and it looks kinda different than what the Bush administration and these geeks theorized. Lets take a gander, Snoopy.
Conspiracy photos:
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And from a top view
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Where are the burn marks? Where are the scorch marks from the explosion
Next, the inside of the Pentagon:
The rim:
The Tire:
Conspiracy Photos:
The rims and tires of a 757. Tell me, do the rims and tread patterns look the same to you?
Now look at this photo:
http://thebiggestsecretpict.online....2_w_US_flag.jpg
Inside the wheel barrel BTW are the remains of 64 of the 65 victims of 9/11. The problem? How can they find the remains of 98% of the victims but can't find the correct parts of a jet? Answer that? If you can, you're a genius, if not, then is it possible then that T-7 was brought down or do you believe the government's official story, when it was Reagan who said, "Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem." |
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| harley-davidson |
Who wants to try to tell me the plane in this picture, A ) could fly this low to the ground and produce no scars on the surrounding area? B ) could be leveled off like this for a straight in impact...http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/imag...n.pentagon.jpeg ...looking at the rendition the engines are touching the ground before impact....LOL
And no damage to the lawn or surrounding area ....... |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by harley-davidson
Who wants to try to tell me the plane in this picture, A ) could fly this low to the ground and produce no scars on the surrounding area? B ) could be leveled off like this for a straight in impact...http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/imag...n.pentagon.jpeg ...looking at the rendition the engines are touching the ground before impact....LOL
And no damage to the lawn or surrounding area ....... |
add to your questions...
C) where are the engines, the strongest and densest parts of the plane?
D) From those alleged 77 parts photo'd in the Pentagon, why aren't the serial numbers recorded, as would be crash site protocal?
E) and in these precollapse Pentagon photos, the top of the Pentagon is still in tact, but crumbles a few moments later.
What caused the top to be so catastrophically damaged, the vertical stabilizer?!?!
F) And let's not forget, DNA is supposedly recovered from 77, but the plane is vaporized |
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| Stickman |
| Keep asking questions Harley, you'll be called every name in the book, but you won't get a straight, logical, scientific answer. Not from the obstinate little bitches in here, not from the mainstream media, and certainly not from the gov't. |
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| harley-davidson |
| Quote: Keep asking questions Harley, you'll be called every name in the book, but you won't get a straight, logical, scientific answer. Not from the obstinate little bitches in here, not from the mainstream media, and certainly not from the gov't. |
They can call me anything they like, do I have the answers? No, but one fact I do know is that this administration has not told the truth about anything from the beginning. Why would this be any different.
Just form the first pic in the PURDUE study, if the plane came in that low, leveled off, it would have been in pieces before it ever hit the pentagon. |
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| Stickman |
The Purdue images are a good example of "proof by animation" which is no proof at all.
They paid these researchers to develop some plausible explanation for the impossible. That's not science, that's anti science. |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
The Purdue images are a good example of "proof by animation" which is no proof at all.
They paid these researchers to develop some plausible explanation for the impossible. That's not science, that's anti science. |
If a researcher finds a "plausible explanation for the impossible". Then clearly the "impossible" was possible and the problem was with the assumptions that you brought to the table. Not only is that science, it's good science. |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
If a researcher finds a "plausible explanation for the impossible". Then clearly the "impossible" was possible and the problem was with the assumptions that you brought to the table. Not only is that science, it's good science. |
Really? Is that the direction you really want to go?
The impossible remains impossible, despite the clever sounding explanation and the snappy graphics.
I didn't bring assumptions to the table, I brought physics. Titanium and steel do not vaporize upon contact with concrete. |
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| KOAJaps |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Really? Is that the direction you really want to go?
The impossible remains impossible, despite the clever sounding explanation and the snappy graphics.
I didn't bring assumptions to the table, I brought physics. Titanium and steel do not vaporize upon contact with concrete. |
Actually? What tourettes says is true. And this is the logic that the debunker rely on. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Really? Is that the direction you really want to go?
The impossible remains impossible, despite the clever sounding explanation and the snappy graphics.
I didn't bring assumptions to the table, I brought physics. Titanium and steel do not vaporize upon contact with concrete. |
Your are right on that , but they do bend, twist and tear, and it appears that they have in these pictures. |
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| KOAJaps |
| I just want an answer to the pics I found, and were also on A.P., CNN and different news sources. I'd be happy it was a dream, why? Because, it'll tell me that they lost. |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
Your are right on that , but they do bend, twist and tear, and it appears that they have in these pictures. |
what pictures? |
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| KOAJaps |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
what pictures? |
Pic #3 of my explanation to Snoopy. But the only problem? The parts they did find? Were not from parts of a 767 |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by KOAJaps
Conspiracy Photos:
The rims and tires of a 757. Tell me, do the rims and tread patterns look the same to you?
Now look at this photo:
http://thebiggestsecretpict.online....2_w_US_flag.jpg
Inside the wheel barrel BTW are the remains of 64 of the 65 victims of 9/11. The problem? How can they find the remains of 98% of the victims but can't find the correct parts of a jet? Answer that? If you can, you're a genius, if not, then is it possible then that T-7 was brought down or do you believe the government's official story, when it was Reagan who said, "Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem." [/B] |
Sorry, whatever conspiracy wacko blog site you're using is incorrect, it's just more making shit up.
Wheel Hub Matches a 757
Rim photographed in the Pentagon wreckage. You can clearly see it is a double bead design as required by the NTSB, and you can also see it has had 90% of the rim edge smashed off in the crash.
Some people have tried to claim that the rims are different from a 757 rim - well here (bottom) is a 757-200 rim from an American Airlines 757, I've outlined the exact same symmetrical holes. I think perhaps some people are thrown off by the balancing led weights attached on the rims in the bottom photo? Have you never taken your car in for a wheel alignment and tire balancing? This is clearly the same kind of rim found on a 757. (The hub-covers/grease-covers are not present for obvious reasons - to remove one you pop it off with a flathead screw driver... so how would you expect it to stay on in a 400mph impact with a reinforced concrete wall?)
Pictures also at the bottom page of the following link
http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/nodebris.html |
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| Billyfromsphily |
| Another circular argument over a picture. Proving again the conspiracy is bullshit! |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Really? Is that the direction you really want to go?
The impossible remains impossible, despite the clever sounding explanation and the snappy graphics.
I didn't bring assumptions to the table, I brought physics. Titanium and steel do not vaporize upon contact with concrete. |
This is what happens when you crash into that type of wall
The F-4 Crash Test
A 1992 report by Sugano et al describes an experiment involving the crash of an F-4D Phangom jet fighter jet into a 10-foot-thick concrete block at 480 mph. In the experiment, the fighter is reduced to confetti, leaving no large pieces of debris.
http://www.sandia.gov/news/resource...lery/index.html
Video is under Footage of 1988 rocket-sled test.
The crash of an F-4 into a concrete block at 480 mph, though different from the crash of a Boeing 757 into the heavy masonry facade of the Pentagon at a similar speed, does suggest that the jetliner crash would also leave no large pieces of debris.
You keep making shit up, you have no idea what happes in a crash at that speed.
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| Billyfromsphily |
| Oh good watch the video argument again......Will the coyote catch the road runner in this one???? |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
Oh good watch the video argument again......Will the coyote catch the road runner in this one???? |
you are a silly stupid fuck. That's the video of "77" hitting the Pentagon that the gov't released.
Don't you realise how fucking stupid you sound? |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
you are a silly stupid fuck. That's the video of "77" hitting the Pentagon that the gov't released.
Don't you realise how fucking stupid you sound? |
I am sure you will tell me sooner or later ?
Do you realize how stupid you sound with this conspiracy? Most on the site agree you sound very stupid! |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
I am sure you will tell me sooner or later ?
Do you realize how stupid you sound with this conspiracy? Most on the site agree very stupid! |
Sure about that? Don't you remember the poll I posted? More than half doubted the veracity of the official story, and the largest percentage believed that the gov't at the least allowed it to happen. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Sure about that? Don't you remember the poll I posted? More than half doubted the veracity of the official story, and the largest percentage believed that the gov't at the least allowed it to happen. |
That wasn't a pool about your stupidity, STUPID! |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
That wasn't a pool about your stupidity, STUPID! |
I just want to make sure I quote this before you edit it. |
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| Stickman |
| When you call someone stupid, make sure you proofread your post. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
| Just wanted to see if you would bite! Its too easy! |
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| markhameggs |
| bump...this is a good thread......good reading material....but really when it comes down to it....you cant believe half the shit the government tells you...... |
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| Billyfromsphily |
| And you can't believe 75% of the shit the conspiracists like to try and link together! |
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| Snoopyrules |
| This bump makes me sad, you see...Fates Web's voice was halted by the government who knew he was getting close. Without Fatesweb, you're left with Stickwad and he hardly counts. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
| Yeah its a shame that he was stymied when he was so close................................To a straight jacket. |
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| Stickman |
You guys are so sure of yourselves. Check this out...
http://911blogger.com/node/8267
A major Italian network has recently aired some conclusive evidence that Building 7 was demolished with explosives,
"Seven is exploding"
Welcome to all foreign readers. Luogocomune is a news commentary site (all in Italian, thus far) featuring a large, separate section on 9/11. In a way, the whole website revolves around the idea that unless that paramount, unacceptable lie called "the 9/11 terrorist attacks" is removed and put into right perspective, the downward spiral towards this new "dark age" of humanity will never stop.
To us "9/11 victims" are not only the 3,000 people that perished on that day, but also some 650,000 civilians killed in Iraq since the invasion began, 100,000 plus Afghans who've met the same fate in their country, more than 3,000 US soldiers sent by "Dick & Rummy" to die under false pretense, and --sadly but truly -- the ever increasing number of first responders who were knowingly sent to their death by an administration that could be defined "criminal" for this one action alone.
It's for them all that we fight.
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Now for some interesting news we wish to share with anyone interested in 9/11 worldwide.
On April 16, 2007, a major Italian network (Canale 5) has aired some conclusive evidence that Building 7 did not collapse on its own, but was deliberately taken down with the use of explosives.
The piece was part of a larger presentation we provided to the network as an update on the ongoing research on 9/11. In particular, we included a clip we had all seen many times before, but possibly never listened to with the full attention it deserved. Here is the 6 min. segment (please ignore yellow subtitles): |
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| Billyfromsphily |
| Great! Now what? |
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| Snoopyrules |
| This Canale 5 crap is perhaps the dumbest evidence ever posted. We're supposed to believe Canale 5 sat on this for 6 years.....Geez these wackos are desperate. Good thing there is video of planes hitting buildings and terrorists taking responsibility. |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by KOAJaps
I like this about Tower 7 |
Strange that no one has been able to spin their way out of this one. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Strange that no one has been able to spin their way out of this one. |
Yeah and you still can't explain it either ! |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
Yeah and you still can't explain it either ! |
You didn't even watch it. It's a link on the internet, but despite the fact that it's the actual BBC report, according to you it has no legitimacy. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
| No, I watched it and the BBC later recanted the story. Did you cover that up or what? |
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| Stickman |
How the hell do you retract a story that was timestamped? You are so easily duped, the gov't must love you a lot.
They know that even when their lies are exposed, sheeplike morons such as yourself will refuse to question. |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
How the hell do you retract a story that was timestamped? You are so easily duped, the gov't must love you a lot.
They know that even when their lies are exposed, sheeplike morons such as yourself will refuse to question. |
"To not question authority, is to deny our very being" |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
How the hell do you retract a story that was timestamped? You are so easily duped, the gov't must love you a lot.
They know that even when their lies are exposed, sheeplike morons such as yourself will refuse to question. |
Like wise, how do you know with such authority? Nice try at sarcasm, Here is what you have previously said and now you go aginst your own advice??
I" think the author nailed it when he said, "But to the extent that carelessness of speech reflects carelessness of mind, much more is at stake. "
If someone is too stupid and careless to think about the words coming out of his mouth, how capable can he be?
Our ability to utilize the English language correctly is a mark of intelligence, with all due apologies to the many illiterant morons on this board."
What are "ILLITERANT MORONS"?
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| Stickman |
A typo, obviously. Man, you must have spent some time digging that one up.
There's a big difference between an occassional typo and an inability to make sense using the English language. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Well speak for your self.You are the one who embraces profanity and personal attacks.
ILLITERANT MORON says it all about you. Anything to distort, misrepresent and compound errors.
Throw some more unsubstantiated charges around. You sure can generate attention, but you fall far short of the mark in intelligence. |
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| Halcyon |
Billy,
I'm glad you have the ability to question everyone, including conspiracy theorists.
But Stickman is playing with you on this board like a cat would with a wounded and stunned mouse.
I think it might be time to just let it go man.
He's not going to hurt anyone by telling his side of the story, wether you believe it or not. Maybe these conversations aren't for you.
I had to come to that realization myself man. Time to let it go I think. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Hal , believe me. I would love to let it go , but every time he comes back or re-energizes a dead thread with his delusions and misinformation, I have to speak out. Those who have not seen his tactics before and would willingly champion his delusions should also see the disturbed side of him. He can not resist from using profanity and attacking questioners and this should tip off any rational person that he is deranged.
His inability to look beyond any thing more than regurgitation and his ego fed delusions of logic and conclusion are a sham and insult to the people who suffered form the tragedy.
You are right. it is time to let it go. He is an insult to his parents and the people who died .
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| Billyfromsphily |
| Hal, If I appeared to be a stunned and wounded mouse, well it was because I wanted to let everyone see the PUSSY who plays loose and fast! |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
Hal, If I appeared to be a stunned and wounded mouse, well it was because I wanted to let everyone see the PUSSY who plays loose and fast! |
:lol: :lol:
I'm not even sure what this meant, but fuck if it didn't actually make me laugh out loud.... |
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| Stickman |
| You guys made my day. |
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| KOAJaps |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
No, I watched it and the BBC later recanted the story. Did you cover that up or what? |
Why did they recant it? Why didn't they come out and say: We were told it was going to collapse and we were early, not deny the fact that they knew nothing about the news story we did.
Quote: Originally posted by Richard Porter
Part of the conspiracy?
* Richard Porter
* 27 Feb 07, 05:12 PM
The 9/11 conspiracy theories are pretty well known by now. The BBC addressed them earlier this month with a documentary, The Conspiracy Files, shown within the UK.
BBC World logoUntil now, I don't think we've been accused of being part of the conspiracy. But now some websites are using news footage from BBC World on September 11th 2001 to suggest we were actively participating in some sort of attempt to manipulate the audience. As a result, we're now getting lots of emails asking us to clarify our position. So here goes:
1. We're not part of a conspiracy. Nobody told us what to say or do on September 11th. We didn't get told in advance that buildings were going to fall down. We didn't receive press releases or scripts in advance of events happening.
2. In the chaos and confusion of the day, I'm quite sure we said things which turned out to be untrue or inaccurate - but at the time were based on the best information we had. We did what we always did - sourced our reports, used qualifying words like "apparently" or "it's reported" or "we're hearing" and constantly tried to check and double check the information we were receiving.
An image of the website hosting the alleged BBC World footage3. Our reporter Jane Standley was in New York on the day of the attacks, and like everyone who was there, has the events seared on her mind. I've spoken to her today and unsurprisingly, she doesn't remember minute-by-minute what she said or did - like everybody else that day she was trying to make sense of what she was seeing; what she was being told; and what was being told to her by colleagues in London who were monitoring feeds and wires services.
4. We no longer have the original tapes of our 9/11 coverage (for reasons of cock-up, not conspiracy). So if someone has got a recording of our output, I'd love to get hold of it. We do have the tapes for our sister channel News 24, but they don't help clear up the issue one way or another.
5. If we reported the building had collapsed before it had done so, it would have been an error - no more than that. As one of the comments on You Tube says today "so the guy in the studio didn't quite know what was going on? Woah, that totally proves conspiracy... " |
The editor said, "
4. We no longer have the original tapes of our 9/11 coverage (for reasons of cock-up, not conspiracy). So if someone has got a recording of our output, I'd love to get hold of it. We do have the tapes for our sister channel News 24, but they don't help clear up the issue one way or another."
Uh, you saw the tape. It's on online. All he need to do is Google the video. The conspiracy? Not the fact that it collapse. Not the fact that they knew 20 minutes before it was going to collapse, even though Porter did say, "1. We're not part of a conspiracy. Nobody told us what to say or do on September 11th. We didn't get told in advance that buildings were going to fall down. We didn't receive press releases or scripts in advance of events happening.", the conspiracy is: Why did they and why are they still saying they don't remember the interview? Anywho, is not the BBC a "liberal" news company and chalk this up to liberal lies or will you as a conservative or any conservative say diferently? Or is calling the BBC or any news network liberal-spun newsgroup false? Which is it? Is the BBC a liberal-spun news organization or a conservative organization? |
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| Stickman |
| You will not get serious answers to these good questions. |
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| KOAJaps |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
You will not get serious answers to these good questions. |
Sept. 11 attack used to justify too much
Published: Sunday, April 22, 2007
Editor:
The only points of Mr. Stubing's April 18 letter that I can agree with are that we should never forget 9/11, and that we were indeed attacked "Pearl Harbor fashion." Revenge is the poorest substitute for justice. If we want justice, then we first need to determine the truth.
The truth is that the very same people who lied us into the Iraq war had the plans laid out since 1999, as documented in the Project for the New American Century report entitled "Rebuilding America's Defenses." Cheney, Libby, Wolfowitz, and many other neocons were signatories to this document, which called for increases in defense spending and military operations on a global scale.
Their own words state that in order for Americans to accept these increases, it would require "a new Pearl Harbor" to galvanize the public and get everyone on the bandwagon.
I don't expect to, this is the Stern Fan Network, everything relating to Stern. These topics are tough to wrap ones brain around, I couldn't, until I did the research. Like how can a bunch of Nomads take down the WTC aand Pentagon using box cutters? Why was the F-16 ordered to stand down as ordered by Cheney?
The 9/11 attacks have been used as justification for every bad endeavor our government has undertaken since.
We've seen intelligence fudged to support the administration's agenda, and have subsequently seen many of their lies and misdealings brought into the light of day.
At first, the administration did not even want to investigate the attacks, but eventually sanctioned a whitewash that raised more questions than it answered.
They lied every step of the way, as they continue to do so today. Is it possible the government lied with regard to who really carried out the attacks? Could bin Laden have ordered the FBI to back off from the al-Qaida operatives they were tracking in the U.S.?
Could he have ordered NORAD to conduct confusing war games or stand down during the course of the attacks?
All evidence points to 9/11 as having been an inside job.
If you really love your country, now's the time to demand the truth.
ANTHONY J. CERRO
Hudson Falls
Why was Norad ordered to stand down? |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by KOAJaps
Why was Norad ordered to stand down? |
Because if they weren't the military would have prevented the attacks. |
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| Snoopyrules |
(post #44)
What most likely, logically happened: While investigating and updating information on the collapse of the towers, someone at the BBC was given a report/press release that building 7 was going to collapse. According to the fire department they knew the building was going to collapse by 2:00PM. Reporters KNEW this well before the event because there are videos of reporters talking about it before it happened. So we KNOW reporter were given information on WTC 7's imminent demise. We can conclude from this evidence that the fire department relayed information to reporters that the building was going to collapse. (Possibly by press release) By the time the report reached the reporter at the BBC it may have simply been misscommunicated from "About to collapse" to "Has collapsed". She even starts out by saying "Details are very, very sketchy". That alone should put this to rest. She didn't say 'Sketchy'. She didn't say 'Very Sketchy'. She said "very, very sketchy".
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little critical thinking is all that's needed to debunk this nonsense. Why in the world would they make an already unbelievably massive conspiracy into one involving reporters who would LOVE a scoop like that? "Sept. 9, 2001 - EXCLUSIVE BREAKING NEWS! Government about to murder thousands for oil! We have the script!" Can you imagine the job offerings after a scoop like that? Can you say Pulitzer prize? What a hero! Who would pass that up to help a shadowy government mass murder Americans? This would be MUCH bigger than Watergate! Or maybe this was a planed gaff to expose this plot? Are we to believe this gaff is the only way she could have told us? A method which could easily be dismissed as typical poor reporting?
And here is the kicker... Did they really need even MORE people (http://www.debunking911.com/massivect.htm) involved? What was the reason they absolutely needed to tell the reporters this? Why haven't any of the other reporters talked? Are most reporters part of a mass murder scheme? How much can conspiracy theorists swallow?
Do the conspiracy theorist leaders have one shred of REAL evidence of explosives or anything else which could take down the buildings? Air samples with trace explosive chemicals in it? A memo like the downing street memo? A whistleblower who was in on the planning maybe? None of that involves the so called "whisked away steel". They have nothing. They're left to scour the internet for the slightest mistake made by anyone on that horrific, chaotic day. They're left destroying peoples lives by suggesting innocent people are involved in mass murders. |
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| The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse (Of the WTC towers) had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was [given], at 5:30 in the afternoon, World Trade Center collapsed completely" - Daniel Nigro, Chief of Department |
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| "Early on, there was concern that 7 World Trade Center might have been both impacted by the collapsing tower and had several fires in it and there was a concern that it might collapse. So we instructed that a collapse area -- (Q. A collapse zone?) -- Yeah -- be set up and maintained so that when the expected collapse of 7 happened, we wouldn't have people working in it. There was considerable discussion with Con Ed regarding the substation in that building and the feeders and the oil coolants and so on. And their concern was of the type of fire we might have when it collapsed." - Chief Cruthers |
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and one more person you wack jobs believe is on on the conspiracy:
"Then we found out, I guess around 3:00 [o'clock], that they thought 7 was going to collapse. So, of course, [we've] got guys all in this pile over here and the main concern was get everybody out, and I guess it took us over an hour and a half, two hours to get everybody out of there. (Q. Initially when you were there, you had said you heard a few Maydays?) Oh, yes. We had Maydays like crazy.... The heat must have been tremendous. There was so much [expletive] fire there. This whole pile was burning like crazy. Just the heat and the smoke from all the other buildings on fire, you [couldn't] see anything. So it took us a while and we ended up backing everybody out, and [that's] when 7 collapsed.... Basically, we fell back for 7 to collapse, and then we waited a while and it got a lot more organized, I would guess." - Lieutenant William Ryan |
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| KOAJaps |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
and one more person you wack jobs believe is on on the conspiracy:
"Then we found out, I guess around 3:00 [o'clock], that they thought 7 was going to collapse. So, of course, [we've] got guys all in this pile over here and the main concern was get everybody out, and I guess it took us over an hour and a half, two hours to get everybody out of there. (Q. Initially when you were there, you had said you heard a few Maydays?) Oh, yes. We had Maydays like crazy.... The heat must have been tremendous. There was so much [expletive] fire there. This whole pile was burning like crazy. Just the heat and the smoke from all the other buildings on fire, you [couldn't] see anything. So it took us a while and we ended up backing everybody out, and [that's] when 7 collapsed.... Basically, we fell back for 7 to collapse, and then we waited a while and it got a lot more organized, I would guess." - Lieutenant William Ryan |
Fine you debunked 9/11. It's all conspiracy lies. Why then after six years in office has Bush not secure the borders? Why are the Republicans yelling now to close the borders when for 12 years, even during the Clinton administration, the Republican did nothing to close the borders? Why are they now screaming to close the borders, when they are now the minority? Also, the map?
Are members of known terrorists organizations in America. Why aren't the borders closed and why aren't we arresting these terrorists? It'll violate their civil rights? Wrong! The Patriot Act as well as the backing of the Supreme Court allows the removal of these terrorists, but each terrorists that's deported, more are coming in from the borders and by visas. So why aren't we closing the borders? Is it because we're doing a fine job keeping the terrorists out?
Sure don't seem like it. Well then, maybe what happened on 9/11 did not occur with terrorists, because, it appears the Bush administration isn't interested in sealing the borders and arresting businesses who hire illegals. Maybe there is something to these conspiracy theories, because, it appears the Bush administration does not care about security, because, there is no reason to and if that theory is correct, as evident in the border crossing and the members of terrorists in America, then suffice to say maybe that 9/11 was actually a false flag to attack Iraq and Afghanistan when the WMDs are in Russia, China, North Korea, India, Pakistan and Israel?
No you're right, believe in the government, they are truthful, they are here to protect us, when it was the Republicans' party God Ronald Wilson Reagan who said, "The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." and " In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." Which is it, believe the official story or Believe Reagan?
By the Way, everyone knows
Ronald=6
Wilson=6
Reagan=6
But did you know his name is an anagram to: Insane Anglo Warlord? |
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Well Snoop has again debunked the conspiracists crap and Stickman has had his ego fulfilled by having his day made and the Republicans have not done shit to protect us except to piss tons of money away into their friends bank accounts. and this still is an
OFFICIAL SHIT THREAD! |
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All that cut and paste, and Snoopy doesn't post a single picture of this catastrophic damage and massive fire.
All the eyewitnesses prove is that word had gotten out that the building would collapse. Why? Because the building was about to collapse...from CD.
No surprise there. |
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