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Snoopyrules

Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
Thanks Snoop! All that plus the fact it collapsed.

Here's one more, it's a good one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HLD...ll%
2Ehtm

First responder: "You see where the white smoke is? You see this thing leaning like this? It's definitely coming down. There's no way to stop it. Cause you have to go up in there to put it out and it already - the structural integrity is just not there in the building. It's tough, it's.. it's.. You know we can handle just about anything, this is beyond...

I guess this guy must have been in on the conspiracy. What a great actor, we really looks upset by all the death and devistation, but he's not fooling the conspiracy wackos; they can see right through his charade.

Stickman

So which is it? Damage caused by debris or the fires? You've got problems with both in that the building is not an inferno despite the one floor that has fires in it.

THe building collapse from the penthouse down and the exterior walls are pulled inward in the exact manner of a contolled demo, in 6. 5 seconds.

If the collapse was caused by damage, the collapse wouldn't be symetrical. You guys will never be able to spin your way out of that.

Yes, people said the building was going to come down, because the word was put out.

Snoopyrules

Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
So which is it? Damage caused by debris or the fires? You've got problems with both in that the building is not an inferno despite the one floor that has fires in it.

THe building collapse from the penthouse down and the exterior walls are pulled inward in the exact manner of a contolled demo, in 6. 5 seconds.

If the collapse was caused by damage, the collapse wouldn't be symetrical. You guys will never be able to spin your way out of that.

Yes, people said the building was going to come down, because the word was put out.

So that guy in the video is making up stuff about it leaning and the structural integrity because he was told so?...c'mon he is one of many experts who made that judgement based on what THEY SAW, not what they were told.

BTW, your 6.5 second lie is a conspiracy trick. It's you idiots starting and stopping the stopwatch where you see fit. It, like most of the shit you make up, is not based on reality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLHw...ll%
2Ehtm

Snoopyrules

Yes or No...Is he lying about the hole

"So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors . Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good. - Captain Chris Boyle

Snoopyrules

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/WTC%20Part...pse%20Final.pdf

NIST HAS FOUND NO THAT THE COLLAPSE OF WTC WAS CAUSED BY BOMBS, MISSILES, OR CONTROLLOED DEMOLITION

Note the word NO...It doesn't say little evidence, it say's NO evidence.

Stickman

Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/WTC%20Part...pse%20Final.pdf

NIST HAS FOUND NO THAT THE COLLAPSE OF WTC WAS CAUSED BY BOMBS, MISSILES, OR CONTROLLOED DEMOLITION

Note the word NO...It doesn't say little evidence, it say's NO evidence.

Even NIST probably proofread the sentence.

Of course they didn't find evidence because they didn't look for it. That's obvious from the way they go about speculating, but never stating the exact cause.

Snoopyrules

Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Even NIST probably proofread the sentence.

Of course they didn't find evidence because they didn't look for it. That's obvious from the way they go about speculating, but never stating the exact cause.

I honestly don't believe you believe the shit you say anymore. You have been presented with overwhelmingy clear evidence that everything happened because of an attack. You have been bombarded with the the vast issues on the scope of magnitude it would require to flawlessly orchestrate this conspiracy withouth any of the 1000's of people that would have been involved ever saying anything. Your nonsensical science has been continually debunked. Your answer to all this is to call the overwhelming evidence a lie, post a non sequitor quote (i.e. that Canadian guy who thinks the U.S. is hiding alien technology) or question, avoid answering a direct question (i.e. is Captain Boyle lying about a 20 story hole), or just claim first party witnesses who witnessed the events unfold as they did were somehow coerced. I think you're stuck to a story that at first you believed (you fell for the Loose Change kids video), and now out of pride you're sticking to it. It's sad, you're part of a cult and you need help.

KOAJaps

Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
I honestly don't believe you believe the shit you say anymore. You have been presented with overwhelmingy clear evidence that everything happened because of an attack. You have been bombarded with the the vast issues on the scope of magnitude it would require to flawlessly orchestrate this conspiracy withouth any of the 1000's of people that would have been involved ever saying anything. Your nonsensical science has been continually debunked. Your answer to all this is to call the overwhelming evidence a lie, post a non sequitor quote (i.e. that Canadian guy who thinks the U.S. is hiding alien technology) or question, avoid answering a direct question (i.e. is Captain Boyle lying about a 20 story hole), or just claim first party witnesses who witnessed the events unfold as they did were somehow coerced. I think you're stuck to a story that at first you believed (you fell for the Loose Change kids video), and now out of pride you're sticking to it. It's sad, you're part of a cult and you need help.

So you believe beyond any reasonable doubt that 19 hijackers attacked us on 9/11? you believe Bush, Kerry, Clinton and all these leaders when they say: Middle eastern men hijacked four planes? Even after read this:

Quote: "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

Why doesn't he care? bin Laden was responsible for 9/11, wasn't he? Bush says he was but then Bush says:

Quote: "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

Or what about this?

At Least 7 of the 9/11 Hijackers are Still Alive

So who were on the jet If seven are alive today? A plane hoot the WTC but by whom? Why not the terrorists? Beause 7 of the 19 hijackers are alive and the names on the list had the actual passport photos attached...oops.

Snoopyrules

Quote: Originally posted by KOAJaps
So you believe beyond any reasonable doubt that 19 hijackers attacked us on 9/11? you believe Bush, Kerry, Clinton and all these leaders when they say: Middle eastern men hijacked four planes? Even after read this:

Why doesn't he care? bin Laden was responsible for 9/11, wasn't he? Bush says he was but then Bush says:

Or what about this?

At Least 7 of the 9/11 Hijackers are Still Alive

So who were on the jet If seven are alive today? A plane hoot the WTC but by whom? Why not the terrorists? Beause 7 of the 19 hijackers are alive and the names on the list had the actual passport photos attached...oops.

This hijackers being alive this is soo stupid that not even Stickwad believes it. Bush not caring about where Bin Laden is a completely different issue. He initially said he was wanted him dead or alive and that he was being hunted. He said the not caring bit after it was apparent they were having trouble finding him. They were also trying to start focusing on Iraq, so it was important to trick the American people into believing the war was broader than Bin Laden.

BTW, This is just more crap by you loons that has nothing to do with the capacbilities of flawlessly pulling off a grand conspiracy than keeping 1000's of people quiet for 6 years.

Billyfromsphily

Here 's what the NIST says,

To respond to a number of the questions raised, NIST has posted a fact sheet on the investigation Web site (http://wtc.nist.gov/). The fact sheet explains how NIST found no corroborating evidence for alternative hypotheses suggesting that the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition using explosives planted prior to 9/11, or that missiles were fired at or hit the towers. Instead, the fact sheet describes how photographs and videos from several angles clearly showed that the collapse initiated at the fire and impact floors and that the collapse progressed from the initiating floors downward, until the dust clouds obscured the view.

Stick man, Why do you lie so much?

JoeyBoots

Quote: Originally posted by FatesWebb
you guys dont find it a bit silly that she is reporting the collapse of a building that is right behind her still standing?

i find you guilty of being retarded......congratulations. :hw:

Stickman

Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
Here 's what the NIST says,

To respond to a number of the questions raised, NIST has posted a fact sheet on the investigation Web site (http://wtc.nist.gov/). The fact sheet explains how NIST found no corroborating evidence for alternative hypotheses suggesting that the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition using explosives planted prior to 9/11, or that missiles were fired at or hit the towers. Instead, the fact sheet describes how photographs and videos from several angles clearly showed that the collapse initiated at the fire and impact floors and that the collapse progressed from the initiating floors downward, until the dust clouds obscured the view.

Stick man, Why do you lie so much?

Why do I lie? NIST is part of the Dept. of Commerce and therefore part of the current administration. They didn't find any evidence of CD because they didn't look for it.

Goddamn what do you think they're going to say?

Now that you've read ( I mean cut and paste, which you revile so much) now read this:

http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews..._FAQ_reply.html

Once again Jim Hoffman destroys the impossibilities of their FAQ

Stickman

Quote: Originally posted by JoeyBoots
i find you guilty of being retarded......congratulations. :hw:

Clever Joey. You live in NY. Go to St. Mark's Church on a Sunday night and talk to all the "retarded" first responders or victim's families. They will surely not sound retarded to you

emtfromny1

My office was in 7 World Trade, and there were erroneous reports all day of more hijacked planes, explosions, threats, and collapses due to the confusion of the day. Conspiracy asswipes!

Stickman

Quote: Originally posted by emtfromny1
My office was in 7 World Trade, and there were erroneous reports all day of more hijacked planes, explosions, threats, and collapses due to the confusion of the day. Conspiracy asswipes!

Which floor and who did you work for?

Billyfromsphily

Where is your proof that they didn't look for it other than your opinion?

Stickman

Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
Where is your proof that they didn't look for it other than your opinion?

Where's your proof that they did?

Their whole premise is based on a 20 story "scoop" taken out of the WTC 7. Post a pic of this scoop. Oh yeah, you haven't mastered posting pics. Maybe Snoopy can post a pic of the 20 story "scoop."

tourette_ticker

Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Where's your proof that they did?

You made a claim. Back it up.

Stickman

Why did NIST have to keep tweaking the conditions of their black box computer models? When the "realistic" parameters did not produce the results they were looking for, NIST had to go to more "severe" conditions to get the results they wanted.

This is anti-science, beginning with a conclusion and creating data to back it up.

I know that's beyond Billy's comprehension, but I post it for those more intelligent.

Snoopyrules

Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Clever Joey. You live in NY. Go to St. Mark's Church on a Sunday night and talk to all the "retarded" first responders or victim's families. They will surely not sound retarded to you

Why don't you go and share your story about how the people I quoted are lying and how the government pre-wired explosives in the building. Tell them that their loved ones and friends weren't killed by terrorists.

Snoopyrules

Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Where's your proof that they did?

Their whole premise is based on a 20 story "scoop" taken out of the WTC 7. Post a pic of this scoop. Oh yeah, you haven't mastered posting pics. Maybe Snoopy can post a pic of the 20 story "scoop."

Yes or No, is Captain Boyle lying.

Stickman

Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
You made a claim. Back it up.

They didn't test for CD residue. There are no tests for CD residue because they decided not to look for it. You can't prove the existence of a non test.

Nowhere does NIST explain how all 287 columns disintegrated simultaneously in both towers.
Nowhere does NIST address the pulverization of concrete.
Nowhere does NIST present the evidence it bases its conclusion on that WTC 7 collapsed due to a 20 story scoop.

By not addressing these features or completing fabricating others, NIST is fulfilling its role in the cover up.

Snoopyrules

Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Why did NIST have to keep tweaking the conditions of their black box computer models? When the "realistic" parameters did not produce the results they were looking for, NIST had to go to more "severe" conditions to get the results they wanted.

This is anti-science, beginning with a conclusion and creating data to back it up.

I know that's beyond Billy's comprehension, but I post it for those more intelligent.

This is the conspiracy loon tactic. You find insignifigant pieces of video or use incomplete quotes to push your weak story. You start with the government did this than you work towards creating a story. Conspiracists have the luxury of changing their story on the fly because it's fake to begin with.

Stickman

Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Yes or No, is Captain Boyle lying.

I don't know, ask Ed Taurean.

Stickman

Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
. Conspiracists have the luxury of changing their story on the fly because it's fake to begin with.

You mean gov't, official conspiracists, right?

Certainly, even you would have to admit that the timeline of events, especially in the military response has changed multiple times over the last 5 1/2 years, right?

Snoopyrules

Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
I don't know, ask Ed Taurean.

He said there was a 20 story scoop. So either this is a lie or not. Why can't you just answer the question. Why you're at it, why not address the other quotes of those that said the damage was going to cause a collapse based on what they saw. They are either lying or not.

Snoopyrules

Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
You mean gov't, official conspiracists, right?

Certainly, even you would have to admit that the timeline of events, especially in the military response has changed multiple times over the last 5 1/2 years, right?

The governmnent not being up front about how an attack was able to occur or covering up mistakes they made that day is and always has been a completely seperate issue than your retarted story. This is only proof that they're corrupt and incompetant. This by the way is another tool you wackjobs use.

Stickman

Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
He said there was a 20 story scoop. So either this is a lie or not. Why can't you just answer the question. Why you're at it, why not address the other quotes of those that said the damage was going to cause a collapse based on what they saw. They are either lying or not.

Why do you rely on eyewitnesses?

For one thing for every person who reports that WTC 7 was going to collapse, there are firefighters and eyewitness who report multiple bombs going off pre collapse and during the collapse, in the lobby and basements, many feet from impact.

You saw the long lists of GZ people who reported bombs. You're aware of William Rodriguez's testimony that he heard explosions before plane impact.

You'll call them liars and your eyewitnesses will be telling the truth. Stay away from eyewitnesses, there's long lists of them supporting controlled demolition.

I don't know if Boyle is lying or not since his claim of a huge "scoop" is not backed up by photographic evidence.

Without photographic evidence of a "scoop" that NIST, Popular Mechanics and you motherfuckers rely so much on, you haven't proven your case. This scoop bullshit is just one more in a long line of cover up and lies.

Stickman

Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
The governmnent not being up front about how an attack was able to occur or covering up mistakes they made that day is and always has been a completely seperate issue than your retarted story. This is only proof that they're corrupt and incompetant. This by the way is another tool you wackjobs use.

You're waving the white flag. And you know it. You're telling me that the fact the gov't has proven to be lying about events on 9/11 is irrelevent.

That's like interviewing a suspect and finding out he's lying about crucial elements of his story, but that doesn't mean he'd lie about other parts, oh no never.

KOAJaps

Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
This hijackers being alive this is soo stupid that not even Stickwad believes it. Bush not caring about where Bin Laden is a completely different issue. He initially said he was wanted him dead or alive and that he was being hunted. He said the not caring bit after it was apparent they were having trouble finding him. They were also trying to start focusing on Iraq, so it was important to trick the American people into believing the war was broader than Bin Laden.

BTW, This is just more crap by you loons that has nothing to do with the capacbilities of flawlessly pulling off a grand conspiracy than keeping 1000's of people quiet for 6 years.

Snoopyrules, you're a young kid, this is what I want you to do. Since you believe the official 9/11 story, I have an assignment for you and this will prove how much of a believer you are. Go here and sign up to join the military. Click here. Prove to all of us that Iraq is the key to settling the war on terror, that everything you said is in support of America and that you are willing to die for her. Oh and the U.S. Army recruits folks up to 42 years old. And if you have a problem getting in, you can always go to your senator and ask for an age waiver. From there, once you're signed up, I'll call up Gary Dell'Abate to get you on the Howard Stern Show as well as the Howard 100 news, telling them how loyal and a patriot you truly are.

Go for it sport ;) and don't be a coward. Stickman and all the conspiracy theory nutcases are watching and waiting for you to sign up and would love to see you on Howard T.V. OK? And if you're wondering about me, I would go to war...against China, the real axis of evil.

KOAJaps

Good Billyfromsphily, I'm glad you believe that way. Now like I told Snoopyrules, instead of posting your thoughts on this board, which you believe leads nowhere, especially with the Conspiracy Theory wingnuts, why not prove them wrong by signing up here? You're not scared, are you? No, not you, you typing skills are so powerful, you move people, so now, make them words into action and sign up to join the military. I hope you're not scared to do so. But if age is a hinderance, go here and ask for your senators to give you a waiver. Like I told Snoopyrules, I'll get you on the Howard Stern show to prove to all of the skeptics of the official 9/11 story that you are truly a patriot. So sport, sign up and go to war

Snoopyrules

Quote: Originally posted by KOAJaps
Snoopyrules, you're a young kid, this is what I want you to do. Since you believe the official 9/11 story, I have an assignment for you and this will prove how much of a believer you are. Go here and sign up to join the military. Click here. Prove to all of us that Iraq is the key to settling the war on terror, that everything you said is in support of America and that you are willing to die for her. Oh and the U.S. Army recruits folks up to 42 years old. And if you have a problem getting in, you can always go to your senator and ask for an age waiver. From there, once you're signed up, I'll call up Gary Dell'Abate to get you on the Howard Stern Show as well as the Howard 100 news, telling them how loyal and a patriot you truly are.

Go for it sport ;) and don't be a coward. Stickman and all the conspiracy theory nutcases are watching and waiting for you to sign up and would love to see you on Howard T.V. OK? And if you're wondering about me, I would go to war...against China, the real axis of evil.

Holy shit you're fucking stupid. I'm mentioned several times that I do not support Bush. He absolutely used the events of 9/11 to start a war with Iraq. He attacked a secular government with no ties to 9/11. If he had actually went through all the work to orchestrate this grand conspiracy, he would have created a real link and would have planted WMD's. Besides the fact that the conspiracy story with it's pre-wiring 247 floors worth of building unoticed in Manhattan and putting your fingers in your ears everytime actual eyewitness testimony is used, the fact there is no tie 9/11 tie to Iraq is further proof there was no cosnpiracy. For fuck sake, you're saying they planned this massive conspiracy for years to justify a war with Iraq, but they couldn't make one hijacker Iraqi, or plant one WMD in Iraq....it's just nonsense.

So one more time you dumb ass. I do not like Bush. I think he is the worst president ever and the war with Iraq is illegal and unjustified; however, the conspiracy story is about the stupidest thing ever imagined.

Snoopyrules

Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
You're waving the white flag. And you know it. You're telling me that the fact the gov't has proven to be lying about events on 9/11 is irrelevent.

That's like interviewing a suspect and finding out he's lying about crucial elements of his story, but that doesn't mean he'd lie about other parts, oh no never.

What a ridiculous analogy. In the real analogy the suspect is lying about not jaywalking and the interviewer is using that denial as evidence that he murdered someone.

Snoopyrules

BTW dumbass, I'm 38 and as far as your last sentence goes, no need to tell me your thoughts. I could give two shits what your stand is. Also, you need more than one country to form a political axis. China can't be considered and axis of evil unless you throw another country in there.

One more thing..."No, not you, you typing skills are so powerful, you move people, so now, make them words into action and sign up to join the military".......This is some excellent sentence structure and use of commas; I'm guessing continued education wasn't an option for you?

jigzaw

Billyfromsphily

Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
They didn't test for CD residue. There are no tests for CD residue because they decided not to look for it. You can't prove the existence of a non test.

Nowhere does NIST explain how all 287 columns disintegrated simultaneously in both towers.
Nowhere does NIST address the pulverization of concrete.
Nowhere does NIST present the evidence it bases its conclusion on that WTC 7 collapsed due to a 20 story scoop.

By not addressing these features or completing fabricating others, NIST is fulfilling its role in the cover up.

Can you separate the concrete from the gypsum drywall dust?

Where were the squibs from the cd charges?

There would be a seismographic record of them and you have produced nothing to indicate them happpening.

All of your charges are baseless item you choose to not understand.

The cover up is your shallow lack of building fundamentals.

Billyfromsphily

Quote: Originally posted by KOAJaps
Good Billyfromsphily, I'm glad you believe that way. Now like I told Snoopyrules, instead of posting your thoughts on this board, which you believe leads nowhere, especially with the Conspiracy Theory wingnuts, why not prove them wrong by signing up here? You're not scared, are you? No, not you, you typing skills are so powerful, you move people, so now, make them words into action and sign up to join the military. I hope you're not scared to do so. But if age is a hinderance, go here and ask for your senators to give you a waiver. Like I told Snoopyrules, I'll get you on the Howard Stern show to prove to all of the skeptics of the official 9/11 story that you are truly a patriot. So sport, sign up and go to war

Be on the Howard Stern Show for enlisting? Thats a great deal. Will it be a daily appearance or a part with the show, like replacing Artie?

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
We went over this. You made the claim that buildings don't topple over. I posted pics of buildings toppled over. Get over it. Now ask a real question.

No Stickman, I think _I_ asked a question about buildings falling into their own footprint.

To which you offered those pictures as proof that buildings don't fall into their own footprints unless they are demo'ed....

Then I mentioned that they were from other countries who simply don't put as much effort into construction and proper foundation work as we do here in the states, and that it doesn't really prove that buildings that fall, don't fall straight down.

Now you're claiming that TT is the reason you posted those pictures.

Have you gone mental?

Billyfromsphily

H emad3e a comment about smiley things and got bounced. I wonder if he will post in Time Out?

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
H emad3e a comment about smiley things and got bounced. I wonder if he will post in Time Out?

What thread was this in? Link please?

Snoopyrules

Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
What thread was this in? Link please?

Post #413 in this thread my have contributed to it as well.

KOAJaps

Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Holy shit you're fucking stupid. I'm mentioned several times that I do not support Bush. He absolutely used the events of 9/11 to start a war with Iraq. He attacked a secular government with no ties to 9/11. If he had actually went through all the work to orchestrate this grand conspiracy, he would have created a real link and would have planted WMD's. Besides the fact that the conspiracy story with it's pre-wiring 247 floors worth of building unoticed in Manhattan and putting your fingers in your ears everytime actual eyewitness testimony is used, the fact there is no tie 9/11 tie to Iraq is further proof there was no cosnpiracy. For fuck sake, you're saying they planned this massive conspiracy for years to justify a war with Iraq, but they couldn't make one hijacker Iraqi, or plant one WMD in Iraq....it's just nonsense.

So one more time you dumb ass. I do not like Bush. I think he is the worst president ever and the war with Iraq is illegal and unjustified; however, the conspiracy story is about the stupidest thing ever imagined.

Holy shit you're a fucking Kool-Aid-drinking-fag. Don't you fucking listen or read the news you dumbshit?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2004Jun16.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2004Jun16.html

http://nationaljournal.com/about/nj...005/1122nj1.htm

All these links say that Bush had said Saddam had connection to 9/11, ipso-facto the attack on Iraq. Well? If Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, what then are we doing there? You're against the war, tell me, the war in Iraq was built around 9/11 and WMDs, and:

To stop the war on terror
To go after the people who attacked us on 9/11

If this is all lies, then by not questioning the possibility of attack on ourselves by our own fucking government or even within to justify going to war, Iran may be next. You know as much as I do that China and Russia are supplying the terrorists groups with weapons. But we go after the weaker nations and we would sacrifice Americans in order to go to war. Do I have any evidence?

Quote: Mexican wars 1819, 1846-48: Long series of operations, commencing with the annexion of Florida (1819) and followed by a declaration of independence of Texas from Mexico (1836). Provocative troop movements near the U.S. southern border caused an incident which led to war. (It is said the US built a fortification 150 km inside the Mexican border.) The annexation of Texas by the USA and the conquest of California, New Mexico, and nearby territories followed. Mexico had a weak government at that time, because after Napoleon conquered Spain (1809) their former colonies soon revolted. Mexico had been a colony of the Spanish kingdom but now they revolted and formed a republic. There were a series of revolts, not just one.

Spanish-American war, 1898: The surprise explosion of the battleship Maine at Havana, Cuba. 255 of the crew died. The Hearst press accused the Spanish, claiming that the explosion was caused by a remote-controlled mine. The USA declared war on Spain, and conquered Philippines, Guam and Cuba. Subsequent investigations revealed that the explosion originated inside the Maine and that it was either an accident, such as a coal explosion, or some type of time bomb inside the battleship. Divers investigating the shipwreck found that the armour plates of the ship were blown bending outwards, not inwards.

World War I, 1914-1918: A U-boat torpedo hit ocean liner Lusitania near Britain and some 1200 people, including 128 Americans, on board lost their lives. Subsequent investigations revealed that the major explosions were inside the Lusitania, as it was secretly transporting 6 million pounds of artillery shells and rifle ammunition, as well as other explosives on behalf of Morgan banking corporation to help their clients, the Britain and the France. It was against US laws to transport war materials and passengers in the same ship.

World War 2, 1939-1945: A U-boat torpedo hit the ocean liner Athenia near Britain with some 1100 passengers, of which 311 were Americans. The sea was calm and only 118 people on board lost their lives. The ship was sunk because it behaved like a military transport, blackened out and zigzagging. This incident wasn't enough to precipitate war, and the Germans also refused to be provoked by several American acts of war. Americans confiscated German merchant ships, and Americans started to support the British with various lend-lease items, US volunteer pilots joined the RAF and some RAF pilots were trained in the US, US gave the British 50 old but usable WW1 destroyers and 20 modern torpedo boats, tanks, light bombers, fighter aircraft like P-40s and so on. American destroyers also escorted the convoys bound to Britain, and attacked German U-boats even far away from those convoys. The US did not maintain a neutral stance attitude towards the warring nations.

The US naval intelligence, chief of Japan desk planned and suggested "8 insults", which should bring Japan into war with the US. President Roosevelt executed this plan immediately and also added some other insults, enraging the Japan. The most serious one was a total blockade of Japanese oil imports, as agreed between the Americans, British and the Dutch. FDR also declared an all-out embargo against the Japan and forbade them the use of Panama canal, impeding Japan's access to Venezuelan oil.

The Flying Tigers volunteer air group successfully fighting the Japanese in China with some 90 fairly modern P-40Bs was another effective provocation that is not generally acknowledged by historical accounts of World War 2, most of which fail to mention any air combat action prior to 7th December 1941. But at that time the Japanese had already had lost about 100 military aircraft, mostly bombers, to the Tigers. After Pearl Harbor these squadrons were some of the the hardest-hitting ones in the US service.

The attack on Pearl Harbour followed some 6 months later. Having broken the Japanese encryption codes, the Americans knew what was going to happen, when and where, but the president did not dispatch this information to Pearl Harbor. Americans even gave their friends the British 3 Magic decrypting machines which automatically opened encrypted Japanese military traffic. But this same information was not available to the commanders of Hawaii. The movement of the fleet was also visible in the very effective radio direction finding network. Japan had an alliance with Germany, and the Germans upheld their promises by declaring the war against the USA right after the Japanese declaration.

Two scapegoats, the navy commander Admiral Husband Kimmel, and the army commander Lt. General Walter Short were found incompetent and demoted as they were allowed to retire. Short died 1949 and Kimmel 1958. In 1995, the US Congress re-examined this decision and endorsed it. Then in 2000 some archive information came to light and the US Senate passed a resolution stating that both hadserved in Hawaii "competently and professionally". In 1941 they were denied vital information, and even on presidential orders purposefully mislead into believing that the Japanese feet could be expected from the southwest. These commanders have yet to be rehabilited by the Pentagon.

Korean War, 1950-1953: South Korean incursions (the Tiger regiment etc.) into North Korea (1949) led to contrary claims and into war. The cause of this war propably was covert action involving leaders of Taiwan, South Korea and the US military-industrial complex (John Foster Dulles has been mentioned as an organizer of the hostilities.) After the unpublished hostilities in 1949, the communist powers were strongly backing North Korea.

Chiang Kai Sek was being abandoned, isolated and falling prey to the powerful communist Chinese operations. The right-wing South Korean ruler was expected to loose the soon-to-be-elections. The American military-industrial complex went into high gear again, and huge government orders for equipment were flowing in.

The American-led UN forces had difficult times early in the war, but after sufficient forces arrived they advanced victoriously and penetrated deep into the North Korea. The strong Chino-Russian intervention into the war once again turned the tides, the Chinese with vast armies on ground, and the Soviets less visibly with large numbers of aircraft, nearly costing the UN forces the war.

Finally the front stabilised along the original 38th parallel armistice line. The war resulted in the death of 3 million Korean Chinese and the destruction of virtually all of the Korean cities, and left Taiwan in strong American protection and South Korea firmly in the hands of the right-wing president Syngman Rhee. Some 55,000 Americans lost their lives.

Vietnam War: "The Tonkin incident", where American destroyer Maddox was supposedly attacked twice by three North Vietnamese torpedo boats in 1964 in the Gulf of Tonkin never happened. What was happening at the time were aggressive South Vietnamese raids against the North in the same general area. Huge American presence wasn't decisive and President Nixon negotiated a "peace with honour" 1973. This war was lost, when the North Vietnam finally conquered South Vietnam 1975.

Grenada invasion: The Grenadian leader favouring the left and having invited Cubans to help building the infrastructure, extending the airport to accomodate long range Soviet aircraft, was replaced at a moment when he was negotiating in the UN, New York for a more open UN UFO policy based on Grenada initiatives. The proffered reason for the immediate invasion was that American medical students studying in the Grenada were in danger due the Cuban presence. The new leader supported by the US favoured more traditional values and the right.

War on Drugs: The war was launched by Richard M Nixon sometime around June 17,1971. The drug problem was found bad within the army in Viet Nam around 1968 prompting action was required towards the end of the war. Nowadays it is estimated that the military will never win the War on Drugs. The street prices of illicit drugs did not change significantly in the USA despite the military action in foreign drug-producing countries. The Colombian experience, with local military supported by the US, has shown that peace is more important than war against drugs. The Colombians have successfully negotiated some 1000s of guerrilla fighters back into the society and out of jungle.

This "war" actually seems to be a pretext for military invasions into less developed countries, where covert "bad" drug lords on behalf of western intelligence services are producing drugs into US and first world markets. This operation produces huge incomes, generating black budget money for those intelligence services managing the global drug operations.

Panama invasion: The incident between American and Panamanian troops led to invasion. The leader Noriega was changed and the earlier Carter administration plan to hand the control of the canal over to Panama was cancelled. The strategic importance of the canal has surpassed any more just thinking in the US global domination policy.

US-Israeli sponsored war between Iraq and Iran, 1980-1988: The US has built power bases in the Middle East in Iran starting with the CIA-organised coup 1953, where Iranian prime minister Mossadeq was replaced with the Shah of Iran Reza Pahlavi and he by his son Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. Iran was equipped with the best western military equipment, including the American F-14 fighters with Phoenix missiles and the British Chieftain MBTs. Unfortunately there was in 1979 a coup of ayatollah Khomeini replacing the Shah and founding an Islamite nation.

After this, the US warmed up relations with their good Iraqi friend Saddam Hussein, and started to build a nation capable of challenging the Iran. Iraq acquired large numbers of effective weapons including factories able to produce older versions of gas warfare agents. These would later be called WMDs, which of course they were not, being the WW1-vintage weapons.

The war broke out and was fought to exhaustion because third-party powers, especially Israel, were carefully monitoring the power balance supplying more weapons to the side which seemed to be loosing. "Too bad they both cannot loose" is how Kissinger evaluated this situation.

Do you see a fucking pattern or is this all bullshit? America would never do anything like this nor would they pull T-7 to go to war with Iraq. We are in Iraq you shithead and you won't look at the possibilites.

KOAJaps

Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
BTW dumbass, I'm 38 and as far as your last sentence goes, no need to tell me your thoughts. I could give two shits what your stand is. Also, you need more than one country to form a political axis. China can't be considered and axis of evil unless you throw another country in there.

One more thing..."No, not you, you typing skills are so powerful, you move people, so now, make them words into action and sign up to join the military".......This is some excellent sentence structure and use of commas; I'm guessing continued education wasn't an option for you?

With my pop's retirement money after being the CEO of Sony Japan for more than 40 years, with property in Japan and up-and-down the coast of California, why should I go to school? School and work are for losers like you who need to work for a living. I don't. I'm a fat, illiterate and wealthy bastard who lives of daddy's money. So I have all the time in the world to do as I please. So shut the fuck up and get back to work before I buy out your company or the home's property through imminent domain (courtesy of the Bush Supreme Court) and throw your ass out on the street.

Snoopyrules

Quote: Originally posted by KOAJaps
With my pop's retirement money after being the CEO of Sony Japan for more than 40 years, with property in Japan and up-and-down the coast of California, why should I go to school? School and work are for losers like you who need to work for a living. I don't. I'm a fat, illiterate and wealthy bastard who lives of daddy's money. So I have all the time in the world to do as I please. So shut the fuck up and get back to work before I buy out your company or the home's property through imminent domain (courtesy of the Bush Supreme Court) and throw your ass out on the street.

Suck down some more fried chicken skins you ignorant unedecuated prick; you'll be doing us all a favor. I knew it was only idiots who believed this conspiracy nonsense. Thank you for the clarification.

Snoopyrules

Quote: Originally posted by KOAJaps
Holy shit you're a fucking Kool-Aid-drinking-fag. Don't you fucking listen or read the news you dumbshit?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2004Jun16.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2004Jun16.html

http://nationaljournal.com/about/nj...005/1122nj1.htm

All these links say that Bush had said Saddam had connection to 9/11, ipso-facto the attack on Iraq. Well? If Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, what then are we doing there? You're against the war, tell me, the war in Iraq was built around 9/11 and WMDs, and:

To stop the war on terror
To go after the people who attacked us on 9/11

If this is all lies, then by not questioning the possibility of attack on ourselves by our own fucking government or even within to justify going to war, Iran may be next. You know as much as I do that China and Russia are supplying the terrorists groups with weapons. But we go after the weaker nations and we would sacrifice Americans in order to go to war. Do I have any evidence?

Do you see a fucking pattern or is this all bullshit? America would never do anything like this nor would they pull T-7 to go to war with Iraq. We are in Iraq you shithead and you won't look at the possibilites.

What a bunch of horseshit. These articles prove my point. If they were really trying to justify a war, they would have created real looking evidence instead of relying on such weak stretches. You really should take some of that money to learn something. Try reading a book, that may sharpen your mind so you operate slightly above the idiot line.

m0tleyfan

that was doctored from some far left website (god knows there are millions of them)

tourette_ticker

Well that puts you squarely on the level of Paris Hilton, I am sure we will take your opinion seriously. :rolleyes:

tourette_ticker

Check and Mate. You lose.

This post proves one of two things:

A: You don't know anything about science and are unqualified to have this discussion.
As we KNOW the end result, if we run a computer simulation and it does not match the end result, the model must be changed as it is obviously incorrect.

B: You understand the science and are intentionally lying to those who do not understand the science in hopes on bringing them to your side of the debate (for reasons I will not speculate on here).

So which is it Stick? Do you not understand how science works or do you not care how you get converts? These are the only two choices.

m0tleyfan

KOA though there were 2 new pro bush members on the supreme court there are still more liberals and if you look back at the voting record it was the liberals on the mostly liberal supreme court that voted through imminent domain

tourette_ticker

I bet your pop, who worked hard all of his life to provide for you, is very proud of you. I bet he would be even more proud of this post. I imagine he is thrilled at having a loser for a son. This is very highly prised in Japan is it not?

KOAJaps

Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
I bet your pop, who worked hard all of his life to provide for you, is very proud of you. I bet he would be even more proud of this post. I imagine he is thrilled at having a loser for a son. This is very highly prised in Japan is it not?

He passed away as did my mother. Was it suicide? Nope. But you're the real loser bud, you're working for someone and making that person rich beyond belief. There are the elite (like me) and there are the worker bees (you). You wake up, take a shower, eat breakfast (if your old lady fixes it), get your coffee, go to work, do you work, take a break, go to lunch, get back to work, take one more break, go home, kick back on the sofa, grab a beer (unless your wife gets it for you), fuck your old lady, take a shower, go to bed and do the same thing over and over, until Friday. Saturday and Sunday, you wake up and then work around the house, clean the dog shit.

Me? I wake up when my eyes are open, take a shit and shower, jump into my Z-8, H-1 or Toyota, go get breakfast, and if in my Toyota, drive up to Canada and visit for a week or two, come home go to a chick's pad, fuck her and go home. This is my life as a loser. So you go on and believe in the government's official story, and suck the dicks of the Republicans and Democrats, all the while you work your ass off. Me? I just count my money. No more no less.

KOAJaps

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
KOA though there were 2 new pro bush members on the supreme court there are still more liberals and if you look back at the voting record it was the liberals on the mostly liberal supreme court that voted through imminent domain

m0tleyfan, one thing you're going to realize is that the Democrats DLC specifically
Harold Ford, Jr., Sen. Tom Carper, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Bruce Reed, Jennifer Mann and Mayor Michael Coleman as well as the RNC are a part of the elite group. This is the DLC
security page. It's the same as the RNC, Clinton did attend Bliderberg group and guess what? Even with Bush out, if Hillary is eleced, that will mean it's 4 more years of the Bush agenda.

Conspiracy theory time:

You noticed that Jesse Jackson rarely comments on Bush and never protested him? Want to know why? Like Bush, Jesse is a 33rd degree Freemason, like Bush and bros don't burn bros. So why would the Supreme Court appear to be liberal and the Dems liberal? Because in reality they're fascist. No not Hilter Fascist but Mussolini Fascist. So there are no difference but to stick to one party is utterly stupid. I like Ron Paul and Tom Tancredo but the RNC does not.

OmsaLaJuwann

Quote: Originally posted by FatesWebb
you also think it was an accident that they lost contact with her just before it actually collapsed?

Ok so here is the deal, we have the following facts to put with this particular evidence..

1) we know that larry silverstein admits on video to saying he gave the orders to pull wtc7. and then they watched it fall.
2) we know giuliani admits to having been forewarned that the building was going to collapse, he admits it on video as well
3) we actually have video of police warning people it was coming down soon to stand back. "this building is coming down, stand back"
4) we have EMT workers that have testified not only were they warned, but they actually counted down from 20.... 19.... 18.... 17.... to its collapse, that they were told it was being taken down by explosives.
5) we have the bbc knowing about it ahead of time...

I can provide links to every one of these.. what it shows is over and over again there was foreknowledge, to the timed preplanned collapse of the building.

whats crazy is no matter how many collaborating reports I come up with, people will continue to say it was a mistake..

for instance I have video interviews with 4 of the 13 eyewitnesses to planes at the pentagon, 2 of the 4 are police officers from the pentagon. and all 4 agree that the plane was not on the "official path" actually they agree that it was on the same path as was released on the flight recorders. But they and the flight recorders dont agree with the official story... that is the trajectory of whatever penetrated the pentagon to ring c, and whatever caused the light poles to fall was not the plane that the eyewitnesses saw.....

this is not an accident... these police officers were not both mistaken, and the Flight data recorder was not mistaken.... This is all stuff that cannot be refuted, unless you just accept that you could accidently win the lottery 100 times in one day...

not possible.

any medications?

Snoopyrules

Quote: Originally posted by KOAJaps
He passed away as did my mother. Was it suicide? Nope. But you're the real loser bud, you're working for someone and making that person rich beyond belief. There are the elite (like me) and there are the worker bees (you). You wake up, take a shower, eat breakfast (if your old lady fixes it), get your coffee, go to work, do you work, take a break, go to lunch, get back to work, take one more break, go home, kick back on the sofa, grab a beer (unless your wife gets it for you), fuck your old lady, take a shower, go to bed and do the same thing over and over, until Friday. Saturday and Sunday, you wake up and then work around the house, clean the dog shit.

Me? I wake up when my eyes are open, take a shit and shower, jump into my Z-8, H-1 or Toyota, go get breakfast, and if in my Toyota, drive up to Canada and visit for a week or two, come home go to a chick's pad, fuck her and go home. This is my life as a loser. So you go on and believe in the government's official story, and suck the dicks of the Republicans and Democrats, all the while you work your ass off. Me? I just count my money. No more no less.

You forgot that part where you visit the cemetary to open your fathers casket to stop his spinning.

Snoopyrules

Quote: Originally posted by KOAJaps
m0tleyfan, one thing you're going to realize is that the Democrats DLC specifically
Harold Ford, Jr., Sen. Tom Carper, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Bruce Reed, Jennifer Mann and Mayor Michael Coleman as well as the RNC are a part of the elite group. This is the DLC
security page. It's the same as the RNC, Clinton did attend Bliderberg group and guess what? Even with Bush out, if Hillary is eleced, that will mean it's 4 more years of the Bush agenda.

Conspiracy theory time:

You noticed that Jesse Jackson rarely comments on Bush and never protested him? Want to know why? Like Bush, Jesse is a 33rd degree Freemason, like Bush and bros don't burn bros. So why would the Supreme Court appear to be liberal and the Dems liberal? Because in reality they're fascist. No not Hilter Fascist but Mussolini Fascist. So there are no difference but to stick to one party is utterly stupid. I like Ron Paul and Tom Tancredo but the RNC does not.

Why would do you think anyone would actually debate you on anything anymore. You've already admitted to being an idiot, so actual debate is out of the question.

KOAJaps

Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
You forgot that part where you visit the cemetary to open your fathers casket to stop his spinning.

OK working poor

Billyfromsphily

OFFICIAL SHIT THREAD!

KOAJaps

Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Why would do you think anyone would actually debate you on anything anymore. You've already admitted to being an idiot, so actual debate is out of the question.

Because unlike you, I never the drank the Kool-Aid and accept the fact that everything I read or hear is he God's-honest-truth. If you want to and feel that 9/11 or any of the other red-flag's in America's history is false, then that's your opinion, but so long as insult Stickman, and the more he answers your insults, then the 50% of New Yorkers who feel that Bush had something to do or had fore-knowledge with/of 9/11 by the Zogby poll will just increase.

I got the balls to challenge you little man, and so long as you my dead parents' I will in turn remind everyone reading that you are just a suck-ass for the Bush administration, and that 9/11 was planned by bunch of cave-dwellers with box-cutters who who caused the crash of the United States of America's economy and manage to collapse three towers.

Right

KOAJaps

Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
OFFICIAL SHIT THREAD!

SO LEAVE!

Billyfromsphily

NAH! Its too much fun watching you make a dick of your self!

tourette_ticker

Wow, do I ever feel sorry for you.

First of all I do not work for anyone, I own my own business and do just fine. My employees are not making me filthy rich, hell I'm not even rich, but all of us are comfortable. And you are not part of the elite. The elite are the producers (like your father -if any of this is true) you are a burner of wealth. Your outlook only shows how you have been robbed of any life experience. You are little more than a child who is still supported by his parents even after their death. You have contributed nothing to society and therefor will not be remembered for anything. You are nothing.

And when you are dying alone you may finally understand this. Don't worry you will not be by yourself - you will be surrounded by those who want you to die as soon as possible to suck up the last remnants of your parents wealth and the few who want to keep you alive for the very same reason. But you will be alone.

And just the fact that you have never shared the experiences that make us what we are - working, struggling and making decisions both right and wrong - make you quite unqualified to render opinions on life. You my friend are still a child (as your post begging for attention proves) and maybe someday we will let you talk with the grown ups. Until then keep impressing us with the stories of how great your life is. I for one can't wait.

Billyfromsphily

Thanks for all the stunning revelations to the PROOF of a conspiracy at WTC 7.

Stickman would be proud to see KOAJ's input.

Snoopyrules

Quote: Originally posted by KOAJaps
Because unlike you, I never the drank the Kool-Aid and accept the fact that everything I read or hear is he God's-honest-truth. If you want to and feel that 9/11 or any of the other red-flag's in America's history is false, then that's your opinion, but so long as insult Stickman, and the more he answers your insults, then the 50% of New Yorkers who feel that Bush had something to do or had fore-knowledge with/of 9/11 by the Zogby poll will just increase.

I got the balls to challenge you little man, and so long as you my dead parents' I will in turn remind everyone reading that you are just a suck-ass for the Bush administration, and that 9/11 was planned by bunch of cave-dwellers with box-cutters who who caused the crash of the United States of America's economy and manage to collapse three towers.

Right

Honestly arguing with an admitted idiot is pointless. Your opinion can be completely dismissed. When I was young I was told that the rain was god's tears; I now believe it's your parents. What a disappoint you must have been.

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
Wow, do I ever feel sorry for you.

First of all I do not work for anyone, I own my own business and do just fine. My employees are not making me filthy rich, hell I'm not even rich, but all of us are comfortable. And you are not part of the elite. The elite are the producers (like your father -if any of this is true) you are a burner of wealth. Your outlook only shows how you have been robbed of any life experience. You are little more than a child who is still supported by his parents even after their death. You have contributed nothing to society and therefor will not be remembered for anything. You are nothing.

And when you are dying alone you may finally understand this. Don't worry you will not be by yourself - you will be surrounded by those who want you to die as soon as possible to suck up the last remnants of your parents wealth and the few who want to keep you alive for the very same reason. But you will be alone.

And just the fact that you have never shared the experiences that make us what we are - working, struggling and making decisions both right and wrong - make you quite unqualified to render opinions on life. You my friend are still a child (as your post begging for attention proves) and maybe someday we will let you talk with the grown ups. Until then keep impressing us with the stories of how great your life is. I for one can't wait.

I don't think I've ever seen you so pissed off at someone

RoadBoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WsyEqKQRBY

US Goverment Cover up.
Nuff Said.

Welcome to The Communist States of America

Snoopyrules

Quote: Originally posted by RoadBoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WsyEqKQRBY

US Goverment Cover up.
Nuff Said.

Welcome to The Communist States of America

Really? nuff said. There has been years of debate and countless threads detoved to exmaining every single aspect the silly story ad nauseum and your you tube link is the definitive proof of a confirmed conspiracy. Your you tube link allows you to get out of actually clarifying why you believe the nonsensical story becuase it is the single most important piece of evidence ever put forth. Really? is that what you're saying.

RoadBoy

Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Really? nuff said. There has been years of debate and countless threads detoved to exmaining every single aspect the silly story ad nauseum and your you tube link is the definitive proof of a confirmed conspiracy. Your you tube link allows you to get out of actually clarifying why you believe the nonsensical story becuase it is the single most important piece of evidence ever put forth. Really? is that what you're saying.

Think about it If U watched the Vid you would see.
Why the big cover up?
Why is it when someone voices a opinion they get shut up?
What is the real reason of Being in Iraq.?
Why did the US military Pull outta Afkanastan?
Why do all the Media Outlets give the wrong information?

AND WHY DO PEOPLE 6 YEARS AFTER THE FACT STILL BELIEVE THAT 9/11 WAS A TERRORIST ACT, WHEN THE PROOF IS IN THE EVIDENCE THAT IS WAS A ACT!! THAT WAS A STAGED MILITARY ACTION!!!!!!!

WHY TO INCREASE THE MILITARY BUDGET!!!!

WHY BECAUSE THEY WERE FACING BUDGET CUTS!!!!

So where is the Freedom of speech in America?

Least I still have it.

FUCK BUSH AND HIS DICTATORSHIP

tourette_ticker

Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
I don't think I've ever seen you so pissed off at someone

Yeah, but it was fun. ;)

Snoopyrules

Quote: Originally posted by RoadBoy
Think about it If U watched the Vid you would see.
Why the big cover up?
Why is it when someone voices a opinion they get shut up?
What is the real reason of Being in Iraq.?
Why did the US military Pull outta Afkanastan?
Why do all the Media Outlets give the wrong information?

AND WHY DO PEOPLE 6 YEARS AFTER THE FACT STILL BELIEVE THAT 9/11 WAS A TERRORIST ACT, WHEN THE PROOF IS IN THE EVIDENCE THAT IS WAS A ACT!! THAT WAS A STAGED MILITARY ACTION!!!!!!!

WHY TO INCREASE THE MILITARY BUDGET!!!!

WHY BECAUSE THEY WERE FACING BUDGET CUTS!!!!

So where is the Freedom of speech in America?

Least I still have it.

FUCK BUSH AND HIS DICTATORSHIP

I agree, George Bush sucks, but the conpspiarcy story is stupid. If you want to just talk this generalization crap and go to the corrupt administration well as proof of an overly complex virtually impossible plan, I really don't feel like going down that road again. If you want to talk about specific proof of something that proves the retarted conspiracy is plausible go at it and I'll make you look stupid by easily debunking it. If you want to tell me your dead CEO father had a lot of money and you can suck down chicken skins at your convienience, that's ok as well.

KOAJaps

So why do you care what anyone writes? Why are you so worried that there are dissenters of the official statement of 9/11 present on this thread? Is it un-American? Is it evil? Will children be harmed by the comments questioning the official answers? Same can be said about Howard Stern. If you do care, do us a favor, sign up here:

Military.com. Sign up and shut the fuck up. If you're in the military or were in the military, guess what asshole, your are to protect the Constitution and America, so dissenters are allowed to speak their mind. If you're not in the military, Shut the fuck up.