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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
HAHAHA This thread just gets better and better... I am however beginning to think you guys are all arguing for the same side or opinion, and you're just all confused |
You have to start at least post #443. I understand the conspiracy loons like to stick together, but I'm not sure they really want to be defending KOAJaps. |
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| Slut Monkey |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Yes, I am the one asking for proof. I am willing (as I have always done) to lay out the evidence that the conspiracy story is retarted and cannot stand up to actual debate. What I want you to do is provide something that proves I'm wrong. What company was your dad CEO of? |
My father died of cancer 18 years ago, and your a heartless prick you fuckwad. I can only hope you suffer the same fate.
You did you job for the day prick. Expect your cheque from Washington in the next couple day's. |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Slut Monkey
My father died of cancer 18 years ago, and your a heartless prick you fuckwad. I can only hope you suffer the same fate.
You did you job for the day prick. Expect your cheque from Washington in the next couple day's. |
Dude, The father thing is not aimed at you either. Read post #443 in this thread. |
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| RoadBoy |
Well you know, I could keep argueing with some of the dickwads in this thread, but there are too FUCKIN stupid (or lazy) to do a lil extra research. To follow up the claims on said Loose Change Video.
It's not FUCKING ROCKET SCIENCE.
IT"S FUCKING COMMON SENCE.
But one think I have learned here is well Some people fell off the Darwin Evolution Chain long ago. and just follow. they can't make up their minds for themselves.
Yes once upon a Time I Believed that Planes Flown by Terrorist's did the Evils of 9/11.
But after looking at somethings that the Gov't said it doesn't add up.
Physics speaks for itself.
Oh wait maybe someone never took Physics in school, or you just ain't old enough to take it yet.
So go hide behind Mommy's Skirt and when you are old enough to use the Internet too research into the facts, that are presented. Instead of Looking at Porn and Liquidass.com
Maybe you might have a leag to Stand on Lil Boy |
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| Slut Monkey |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Dude, The father thing is not aimed at you either. Read post #443 in this thread. |
You fuckin posted it you useless tub of shit!
Fuck you, hope you die a slow and painfull death with cancer.
Fuck this shit, I'm out of here. Waist of time fuckwad. |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by RoadBoy
Well you know, I could keep argueing with some of the dickwads in this thread, but there are too FUCKIN stupid (or lazy) to do a lil extra research. To follow up the claims on said Loose Change Video.
It's not FUCKING ROCKET SCIENCE.
IT"S FUCKING COMMON SENCE.
But one think I have learned here is well Some people fell off the Darwin Evolution Chain long ago. and just follow. they can't make up their minds for themselves.
Yes once upon a Time I Believed that Planes Flown by Terrorist's did the Evils of 9/11.
But after looking at somethings that the Gov't said it doesn't add up.
Physics speaks for itself.
Oh wait maybe someone never took Physics in school, or you just ain't old enough to take it yet.
So go hide behind Mommy's Skirt and when you are old enough to use the Internet too research into the facts, that are presented. Instead of Looking at Porn and Liquidass.com
Maybe you might have a leag to Stand on Lil Boy |
Ok, now we're getting someone. What specific piece of physics does not add up? Are you going to with the "fire doesn't melt steel", or the "free fall" thing, or are you going with the "WTC 7 had no damage" thing....please let me know what point you're trying to make and I'll knock it down. If you're just going to refer to some stupid video made by some kids who got some MAC software for Christmas there's nothing really there to debate. |
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| RoadBoy |
BTW my Father is still alive
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Slut Monkey
You fuckin posted it you useless tub of shit!
Fuck you, hope you die a slow and painfull death with cancer.
Fuck this shit, I'm out of here. Waist of time fuckwad. |
Guy, I don't wish you or anyone ill. I see you're a truck driver who had a heart attack. I'm a white collar guy myself, but my father was a truck driver. He actually had 3 heart attacks and he misses the road as much as you do, so I sympathize. I apologize for adding a remark aimed at someone else in a reply to you. |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by RoadBoy
BTW my Father is still alive
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Dang girl, now I'm thought us as the father hater. That sucks balls. |
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| RoadBoy |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Ok, now we're getting someone. What specific piece of physics does not add up? Are you going to with the "fire doesn't melt steel", or the "free fall" thing, or are you going with the "WTC 7 had no damage" thing....please let me know what point you're trying to make and I'll knock it down. If you're just going to refer to some stupid video made by some kids who got some MAC software for Christmas there's nothing really there to debate. |
"fire doesn't melt steel"
lets start here Jet Fuel is Kerosene based. kerosene burns at is around 980 °C (1796 °F), making it similar to that of diesel. Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees C (2500°F).
the "free fall" thing
or Newton's Second Law of Motion it is stated that all objects (regardless of their mass) free-fall with the same acceleration - 10 m/s/s.
Each story is approx 10m high. 110 stories Newtons Second Law would = 11s (which the towers fell in that time frame)
So if the Report Claims that the Fire melted the Steel supports in WTC1 and WTC2 and the they Pancaked ontop of themselves then you would have a resistance of deacceleration which in turn the towers should of taken longer to fall. But as I may point out Steel melts at 2500F, Jet Fuel burns at 1796F. And in order to get that temperature of the Fuel burning (and yes there was office furniture in the Building which would add to the temp) you would have to have a Clean Combustion of Fuel, Heat, Oxygen to create a Heat source (FIRE) Hot enough to melt steel. Look at the Smoke Coming outta WTC1&2 it's black whick is a sign that the Fire(s) were oxygen starved! There for not even burn anywheres close to 1700F
So does that Squash you or do I have to Continue |
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| RoadBoy |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Dang girl, now I'm thought us as the father hater. That sucks balls. |
Ah should of Noticed your From Jersey.........
Only think Jersey's are good for is Milking |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by RoadBoy
"fire doesn't melt steel"
lets start here Jet Fuel is Kerosene based. kerosene burns at is around 980 °C (1796 °F), making it similar to that of diesel. Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees C (2500°F).
So if the Report Claims that the Fire melted the Steel supports in WTC1 and WTC2 and the they Pancaked ontop of themselves then you would have a resistance of deacceleration which in turn the towers should of taken longer to fall. But as I may point out Steel melts at 2500F, Jet Fuel burns at 1796F. And in order to get that temperature of the Fuel burning (and yes there was office furniture in the Building which would add to the temp) you would have to have a Clean Combustion of Fuel, Heat, Oxygen to create a Heat source (FIRE) Hot enough to melt steel. Look at the Smoke Coming outta WTC1&2 it's black whick is a sign that the Fire(s) were oxygen starved! There for not even burn anywheres close to 1700F
So does that Squash you or do I have to Continue |
Simple question: At what temperature does steel lose half of it's strength? |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by RoadBoy
"fire doesn't melt steel"
lets start here Jet Fuel is Kerosene based. kerosene burns at is around 980 °C (1796 °F), making it similar to that of diesel. Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees C (2500°F).
the "free fall" thing
or Newton's Second Law of Motion it is stated that all objects (regardless of their mass) free-fall with the same acceleration - 10 m/s/s.
Each story is approx 10m high. 110 stories Newtons Second Law would = 11s (which the towers fell in that time frame)
So if the Report Claims that the Fire melted the Steel supports in WTC1 and WTC2 and the they Pancaked ontop of themselves then you would have a resistance of deacceleration which in turn the towers should of taken longer to fall. But as I may point out Steel melts at 2500F, Jet Fuel burns at 1796F. And in order to get that temperature of the Fuel burning (and yes there was office furniture in the Building which would add to the temp) you would have to have a Clean Combustion of Fuel, Heat, Oxygen to create a Heat source (FIRE) Hot enough to melt steel. Look at the Smoke Coming outta WTC1&2 it's black whick is a sign that the Fire(s) were oxygen starved! There for not even burn anywheres close to 1700F
So does that Squash you or do I have to Continue |
In every photo and every video, you can see columns far outpacing the collapse of the building. Not only are the columns falling faster than the building but they are also falling faster than the debris cloud which is ALSO falling faster than the building. This proves the buildings fell well below free fall speed. That is, unless the beams had a rocket pointed to the ground.
Just look at any video you like and watch the perimeter columns.
Deceptive videos stop the timer of the fall at 10:09 when only the perimeter column hits the ground and not the building itself. If you notice, the building just finishes disappearing behind the debris cloud which is still about 40 stories high.
Below is a more accurate graphic using a paper written by Dr. Frank Greening which can be found at: http://www.911myths.com/WTCREPORT.pdf
The paper takes the transfer of momentum into account. Like a billiard ball being hit by another on a pool table, each floor transferred its momentum to the next as represented below. The more weight, the less resistance each floor gave.
The time required to strip off a floor, according to Frank Greening, is a maximum of about 110 milliseconds = 0.110 seconds. It is rather the conservation of momentum that slowed the collapse together with a small additional time for the destruction of each floor.
Below are calculations from a physics blogger...
When I did the calculations, what I got for a thousand feet was about nine seconds- let's see,
d = 1/2at^2
so
t = (2d/a)^1/2
a is 9.8m/s^2 (acceleration of gravity at Earth's surface, according to Wikipedia), [He gives this reference so you can double check him.]
d is 417m (height of the World Trade Center towers, same source)
so
t = (834m/9.8m/s^2)^1/2 = 9.23s
OK, so how fast was it going? Easy enough,
v = at
v = (9.8m/s^2 x 9.23s) = 90.4m/s
So in the following second, it would have fallen about another hundred meters. That's almost a quarter of the height it already fell. And we haven't even made it to eleven seconds yet; it could have fallen more than twice its height in that additional four seconds. If the top fell freely, in 13.23 seconds it would have fallen about two and one-half times as far as it actually did fall in that time. So the collapse was at much less than free-fall rates.
Let's see:
KE = 1/2mv^2
The mass of the towers was about 450 million kg, according to this. Four sources, he has. I think that's pretty definitive. So now we can take the KE of the top floor, and divide by two- that will be the average of the top and bottom floors. Then we'll compare that to the KE of a floor in the middle, and if they're comparable, then we're good to go- take the KE of the top floor and divide by two and multiply by 110 stories. We'll also assume that the mass is evenly divided among the floors, and that they were loaded to perhaps half of their load rating of 100lbs/sqft. That would be
208ft x 208ft = 43,264sqft
50lbs/sqft * 43264sqft = 2,163,200lbs = 981,211kg
additional weight per floor. So the top floor would be
450,000,000 kg / 110 floors = 4,090,909 kg/floor
so the total mass would be
4,090,909 kg + 981,211 kg = 5,072,120 kg/floor
Now, the velocity at impact we figured above was
90.4m/s
so our
KE = (5,072,120kg x (90.4m/s)^2)/2 = 20,725,088,521J
So, divide by 2 and we get
10,362,544,260J
OK, now let's try a floor halfway up:
t = (2d/a)^1/2 = (417/9.8)^1/2 = 6.52s
v = at = 9.8*6.52 = 63.93m/s
KE = (mv^2)/2 = (5,072,120kg x (63.93m/s)^2)/2 = 10,363,863,011J
Hey, look at that! They're almost equal! That means we can just multiply that 10 billion Joules of energy by 110 floors and get the total, to a very good approximation. Let's see now, that's
110 floors * 10,362,544,260J (see, I'm being conservative, took the lower value)
= 1,139,879,868,600J
OK, now how much is 1.1 trillion joules in tons of TNT-equivalent? Let's see, now, a ton of TNT is 4,184,000,000J. So how many tons of TNT is 1,139,879,868,600J?
1,139,879,868,600J / 4,184,000,000J/t = 272t
Now, that's 272 tons of TNT, more or less; five hundred forty one-thousand-pound blockbuster bombs, more or less. That's over a quarter kiloton. We're talking about as much energy as a small nuclear weapon- and we've only calculated the kinetic energy of the falling building. We haven't added in the burning fuel, or the burning paper and cloth and wood and plastic, or the kinetic energy of impact of the plane (which, by the way, would have substantially turned to heat, and been put into the tower by the plane debris, that's another small nuclear weapon-equivalent) and we've got enough heat to melt the entire whole thing.
Remember, we haven't added the energy of four floors of burning wood, plastic, cloth and paper, at- let's be conservative, say half the weight is stuff like that and half is metal, so 25lbs/sqft? And then how about as much energy as the total collapse again, from the plane impact? And what about the energy from the burning fuel? You know, I'm betting we have a kiloton to play with here. I bet we have a twentieth of the energy that turned the entire city of Nagasaki into a flat burning plain with a hundred-foot hole surrounded by a mile of firestorm to work with. - Schneibster edited by Debunking 911
Let me make this clear, I don't assume to know what the ACTUAL fall time was. Anyone telling you they know is lying. The above calculation doesn't say that's the fall time. That was not its purpose. It's only a quick calculation which serves its purpose. To show that the buildings could have fallen within the time it did. It's absurd to suggest one can make simple calculations and know the exact fall time. You need a super computer with weeks of calculation to take into account the office debris, plumbing, ceiling tile etc.. etc... Was it 14 or was it 16? It doesn't matter to the point I'm making, which is the fall times are well within the possibility for normal collapse. Also, the collapse wasn't at free fall as conspiracy theorists suggest. |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by RoadBoy
Ah should of Noticed your From Jersey.........
Only think Jersey's are good for is Milking |
That doesn't make any sense. While New Jersey is a find producer of tomatoes, eggplants, and cranberries, we're not known as an agricultural state. Canada on the other hand is not really known as a country. You're thought of as our 51st state, the place produces round bacon |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
Simple question: At what temperature does steel lose half of it's strength? |
Here's a question, at what temperature does steel weaken? |
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| RoadBoy |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
I Was it 14 or was it 16? It doesn't matter to the point I'm making, which is the fall times are well within the possibility for normal collapse. Also, the collapse wasn't at free fall as conspiracy theorists suggest. |
And that really Doesn't state that it wasn't either. |
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| RoadBoy |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Here's a question, at what temperature does steel weaken? |
Strength loss for steel is generally accepted to begin at about 300ºC and increases rapidly after 400ºC, by 550ºC steel retains about 60% of its room temperature yield strength. This is usually considered to be the failure temperature for structural steel. However, in practice this is a very conservative assumption; low loads, the insulating effects of concrete slabs, the restraining effects of connections etc. mean that real failure temperatures can be as high as 750ºC or even higher for partially exposed members. |
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| Snoopyrules |
Better yet, Tell me what this is
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Tanker fire destroys part of MacArthur Maze
2 freeways closed near Bay Bridge
Peter Fimrite and Demian Bulwa, Chronicle Staff Writer
Sunday, April 29, 2007
(04-29) 07:59 PDT OAKLAND -- The heat of a dramatic gasoline tanker fire destroyed an overpass and closed two major roadways in the MacArthur Maze at the East Bay access to the Bay Bridge early this morning.
A section of the roadway taking traffic from the Bay Bridge onto eastbound Interstate 580 fell onto the connector that brings East Bay traffic from Interstate 80 to Interstates 880 and 580.
Lanes of 580 near the East Bay Municpal Utility District sewage treatment plant at the maze are draped like a blanket over the northeast edge of the freeway below with the corner tip touching the ground below that.
The tanker, which was full of vehicle-ready gasoline, seems to have disappeared. One Caltrans worker at the scene held up his thumb and forefinger an inch apart to describe how big the tanker is now.
The driver, who got out of the truck on his own after it overturned, hailed a taxi to a nearby hospital, where he is in critical but stable condition with burns.
One section of roadway has fallen away from the main structure and another may yet fall this morning.
Below the two stretches of roadway is a Caltrans property full of equipment being used to rebuild the Bay Bridge.
So far this morning, traffic on all the affected roadways remains light, but major backups are expected today and for the foreseeable future.
HOW DID A TANKER MELT THE STEEL |
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| RoadBoy |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
That doesn't make any sense. While New Jersey is a find producer of tomatoes, eggplants, and cranberries, we're not known as an agricultural state. Canada on the other hand is not really known as a country. You're thought of as our 51st state, the place produces round bacon |
Well the 51st State is Britain Fool.
New Jersey is also known as the Garbage State
Yes we have Round Bacon, Not arguing that fact.
And this
is a Jersey Cow
And BTW
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Canada on the other hand is not really known as a country. |
thats just your Lack of FUCKING EDUCATION ASS WIPE |
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| Slut Monkey |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
That doesn't make any sense. While New Jersey is a find producer of tomatoes, eggplants, and cranberries, we're not known as an agricultural state. Canada on the other hand is not really known as a country. You're thought of as our 51st state, the place produces round bacon |
You never stop, do you, you bucket of crap. First you insult my father & now my country neither of which you know. Where in the fuck do you get off? Get the fuck off this planet, your waisting my air. |
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| RoadBoy |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Tanker fire destroys part of MacArthur Maze
2 freeways closed near Bay Bridge
Peter Fimrite and Demian Bulwa, Chronicle Staff Writer
Sunday, April 29, 2007
(04-29) 07:59 PDT OAKLAND -- The heat of a dramatic gasoline tanker fire destroyed an overpass and closed two major roadways in the MacArthur Maze at the East Bay access to the Bay Bridge early this morning.
A section of the roadway taking traffic from the Bay Bridge onto eastbound Interstate 580 fell onto the connector that brings East Bay traffic from Interstate 80 to Interstates 880 and 580.
Lanes of 580 near the East Bay Municpal Utility District sewage treatment plant at the maze are draped like a blanket over the northeast edge of the freeway below with the corner tip touching the ground below that.
The tanker, which was full of vehicle-ready gasoline, seems to have disappeared. One Caltrans worker at the scene held up his thumb and forefinger an inch apart to describe how big the tanker is now.
The driver, who got out of the truck on his own after it overturned, hailed a taxi to a nearby hospital, where he is in critical but stable condition with burns.
One section of roadway has fallen away from the main structure and another may yet fall this morning.
Below the two stretches of roadway is a Caltrans property full of equipment being used to rebuild the Bay Bridge.
So far this morning, traffic on all the affected roadways remains light, but major backups are expected today and for the foreseeable future.
HOW DID A TANKER MELT THE STEEL |
Where's the Rest of the Story? |
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| RoadBoy |
How old was the bridge? Did it have Structural Damage from before this Fire / explosion?
Was it a Steel Girder Bridge or a Concrete Bridge? Hell was it Wooden? |
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| RoadBoy |
BTW U run outta Gas
How Come the Attack on Canada? |
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| RoadBoy |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Better yet, Tell me what this is
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Hmm lets See Old Concrete. Fire damaged. That Fell onto Something that Broke it |
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| Slut Monkey |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
That doesn't make any sense. While New Jersey is a find producer of tomatoes, eggplants, and cranberries, we're not known as an agricultural state. Canada on the other hand is not really known as a country. You're thought of as our 51st state, the place produces round bacon |
Next time you want to start insulting my family & country, bring the propper facts, your best game, & a full tank of gas brother cause it's fucking on.
You are the reason most american's have such a hard time in the world these day's. People from around the world run into fool's like you on the internet and think all americxan's are the same. The truth is they coun't be any farther from the truth. I have a good many friend's in the states, most in the armed forces & their great people. They would never stoop to the depth's that you have shown here tonight. You should be so ashamed of yourself. If there is any of your friend's on here tonight I would be scaried of them to kick your ass for making them look bad here. Think of what you say before you say it and make good and god damed sure you have your fucking fact's right before you start shooting your mouth off to someone you know nothing about. It could come back to haunt you in the future. |
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| RoadBoy |
Oh well this is Getting Anti Climatic.
Guess we will all See what Really happened when the TOP SECRET 9/11/07 ATTACK ON THE US documents get Declassified in 50 years and and the Guilty Parties that are to blame are dead.
The United States will be a Third World County Because of a Economic Crash. Due to Warmongering and Oil Consumption Greed. |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Slut Monkey
Next time you want to start, bring the propper facts, your best game, & a full tank of gas brother cause it's fucking on. |
Take it easy you dumb ass hoser, The Shield is on I'm taking a break. Isn't hockey on or something. |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by RoadBoy
Hmm lets See Old Concrete. Fire damaged. That Fell onto Something that Broke it |
By the way.... it wasn't so decrepit and out of shape that it wasn't the absolute FOCAL drive point for EVERYONE who crosses the Bay Bridge from Oakland to SF and back.
It's the absolute busiest freeway in most of Northern California. The rush hour traffic is absolute horrendous EVERY day.
So... it wasn't that bad off
I live here, and I know |
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or someone Finally NUKES your asses.
Mean while Back in Canada which isn't considered a Country In your book I'll be sitting in my Lawn Chair eatting My Round Bacon Drinking Canadian Beer and getting a tan From all the Nukes going off to the south of me then Freezing my ass off in a Nuclear winter.
But Hey I'm a Canadian I can take the Cold Weather. We live in Igloos |
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| RoadBoy |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
By the way.... it wasn't so decrepit and out of shape that it wasn't the absolute FOCAL drive point for EVERYONE who crosses the Bay Bridge from Oakland to SF and back.
It's the absolute busiest freeway in most of Northern California. The rush hour traffic is absolute horrendous EVERY day.
So... it wasn't that bad off
I live here, and I know |
Ahh so it was in Cali SF and Oak so the Earthquake weakened. then |
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| Slut Monkey |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
By the way.... it wasn't so decrepit and out of shape that it wasn't the absolute FOCAL drive point for EVERYONE who crosses the Bay Bridge from Oakland to SF and back.
It's the absolute busiest freeway in most of Northern California. The rush hour traffic is absolute horrendous EVERY day.
So... it wasn't that bad off
I live here, and I know |
I know your right. I've been on it to and it does get super busy. I think there were extenuating conditions in that colapse. |
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Well enuf for one night.
But if U want U can Send the CIA, US Secret Service, Marines, or what have ya to
I HATE BUSH
123 Who Gives a Fuck Lane
Come and Find me
51st state
E I E I O |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
bring back Fates web and Stickwad |
But they have proooved it was Marvin Bush so why what could they contribute?
Getting kind of heated in this thread, When does it melt? |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Slut Monkey
I know your right. I've been on it to and it does get super busy. I think there were extenuating conditions in that colapse. |
Yes, a big fire caused a collapse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tjs5ILNkJc
because some steel melted:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007...in2740065.shtml
An elevated section of highway that funnels traffic from the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge to a number of key freeways was destroyed early Sunday after flames from an overturned gasoline truck caused part of one overpass to melt and collapse onto another. |
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Did they know where Dick Cheney was before the tanker overturned? |
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now i remember why i've been ignoring these forums....ah well, a little bit of research helps to resolve these claims....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theedito...nspiracy_2.html
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At 4.27pm, a BBC reporter, Greg Barrow, who is in New York, appears on our radio news channel, BBC Radio Five Live, and says: "We are hearing reports from local media that another building may have caught light and is in danger of collapse." He then responds to a follow-up question by saying "I'm not sure if it has yet collapsed but the report we have is talking about Building 7."
At 4.53pm, on the same radio station, the programme's presenter, Fi Glover says "25 minutes ago we had reports from Greg Barrow that another large building has collapsed just over an hour ago."
At 4.54pm, the BBC's domestic television news channel, BBC News 24, reports the same thing. Presenter Gavin Esler says: "We're now being told that yet another enormous building has collapsed... it is the 47-storey Salomon Brothers building."
And then at 4.57pm on BBC World (according to the clips available on the web) presenter Phil Hayton says: "We've got some news just coming in actually that the Salomon brothers building in NY right in the heart of Manhattan has also collapsed."
Because three BBC channels were saying this in quick succession, I am inclined to believe that one or more of the news agencies was reporting this, or at least reporting someone saying this.
At 5pm, News 24 repeated the news in its top-of-the-hour headlines sequence and then at about 5.10pm (again according to the clips on the web), Phil Hayton on BBC World says "More on the latest building collapse in NY - you might have heard I was talking a few moments ago about the Salomon building collapsing and indeed it has... it seems this wasn't the result of a new attack but because the building had been weakened during this morning's attack."
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| Slut Monkey |
Age, condition, type, oil content, & grade of the metal has alot to do with it also. Not all metal's are created equal.
OK, in your word's.......Prove it.
You don't really expect me to watch this YouTube thing as proof when you won't, do you? |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by RoadBoy
Ahh so it was in Cali SF and Oak so the Earthquake weakened. then |
No... the old roadway was destroyed in the '89 earthquake, and so they rebuilt it as the MacArthur Maze.... |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Slut Monkey
Next time you want to start insulting my family & country, bring the propper facts, your best game, & a full tank of gas brother cause it's fucking on.
You are the reason most american's have such a hard time in the world these day's. People from around the world run into fool's like you on the internet and think all americxan's are the same. The truth is they coun't be any farther from the truth. I have a good many friend's in the states, most in the armed forces & their great people. They would never stoop to the depth's that you have shown here tonight. You should be so ashamed of yourself. If there is any of your friend's on here tonight I would be scaried of them to kick your ass for making them look bad here. Think of what you say before you say it and make good and god damed sure you have your fucking fact's right before you start shooting your mouth off to someone you know nothing about. It could come back to haunt you in the future. |
I would never say this about any of the European or Asian countries. I wouldn't say it about anything South of us either, the Latin American countries are rich with beauty and heritage. Those countries actually have a unigue recognizable identity. You frozen fish sticks do not really have one. All you have is an inferiority complex that causes you fly off the handle at the first mention of your high magazine prices and mispelling of the word color. Get a grip and deal with your place on this continent and you'll be much better off. As far as the world hating us, I completely agree with their feelings based on what our idiot president has done over the past 6 years. As a liberal and a believer of the ideals that the constituion stands for, I'm embarrased by his actions. But, let's face it; the anger was always there. The anger doesn't come from what people like me project, the anger comes from people like you who believe I'm projecting anything. It's an inferiority paranoia not based on any actual fact.
BTW, The use of the bridge melting illustrates a point. A fire with considerably less fuel melted steel and caused a collapse. As Halycon mentioned, this bridge ramp was built after the WTC's, so the steel is either a comparable or higher quality. If you've even seen CA highway construction (I've lived in and spent a good deal of time in CA) you know it's most likely the latter. This happened from only a fire. The WTC had a jet loaded with jet fuel slammed into a building with a hollow design supported by the outer walls at full speed. The fires weakened the steel and the damaged support collapses. Fire can weaken steel. The nonsensical science you prove doesn't hold up. |
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But Snoop, Internet science is irrefutable?
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Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
I would never say this about any of the European or Asian countries. I wouldn't say it about anything South of us either, the Latin American countries are rich with beauty and heritage. Those countries actually have a unigue recognizable identity. You frozen fish sticks do not really have one. All you have is an inferiority complex that causes you fly off the handle at the first mention of your high magazine prices and mispelling of the word color. Get a grip and deal with your place on this continent and you'll be much better off. As far as the world hating us, I completely agree with their feelings based on what our idiot president has done over the past 6 years. As a liberal and a believer of the ideals that the constituion stands for, I'm embarrased by his actions. But, let's face it; the anger was always there. The anger doesn't come from what people like me project, the anger comes from people like you who believe I'm projecting anything. It's an inferiority paranoia not based on any actual fact.
BTW, The use of the bridge melting illustrates a point. A fire with considerably less fuel melted steel and caused a collapse. As Halycon mentioned, this bridge ramp was built after the WTC's, so the steel is either a comparable or higher quality. If you've even seen CA highway construction (I've lived in and spent a good deal of time in CA) you know it's most likely the latter. This happened from only a fire. The WTC had a jet loaded with jet fuel slammed into a building with a hollow design supported by the outer walls at full speed. The fires weakened the steel and the damaged support collapses. Fire can weaken steel. The nonsensical science you prove doesn't hold up. |
Before it was the MacArthur Maze, it was part of another 2-story freeway (I can't remember the name... not Carquinez) portion of Interstate 880 that collapsed during the '89 Earthquake...
Here's an excerpt from the Tanker story where they say this:
| Quote: Having portions of a main artery severed brought uncomfortably familiar images to the Bay Area. During the 1989 earthquake, both the Bay Bridge and section of Interstate 880 near the site of Sunday's collapse fell and crushed rush-hour motorists, leaving 40 people dead. |
Here's a link to that story:
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AHHH!!!! THE NIMITZ FREEWAY!! I knew I'd find it eventually... now it's been removed and called the MacArthur Maze.
Also... Everyone should go to this link and view this video.....
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Quote: 1989: Earthquake hits San Francisco
A powerful earthquake has rocked San Francisco killing nine people and injuring hundreds.
The number of dead is expected to rise significantly. The two-tier Bay Bridge and Nimitz freeway both partially collapsed and rescuers are waiting to recover bodies from cars crushed by the quake.
The epicentre of the quake, which measured 6.9 on the Richter scale, is thought to have been Loma Prieta, 10 miles north of Santa Cruz on the San Andreas fault.
A massive rescue effort is now underway in what experts believe is the second biggest earthquake ever to hit the United States.
Officials have reported "unbelievable damage to infrastructure" with collapsed bridges and freeways, fires, shattered buildings, gaping cracks in roads and land slides.
Tremors from the quake, which lasted 15 seconds, were reported 400 miles away in Los Angeles and 200 miles away in Reno, Nevada.
The quake struck at 1704 local time (18 October, 0004 GMT), as people were making their way home after work. Traffic was brought to a standstill and many homes left without power.
Fans waiting to see the baseball World Series match at Candlestick Park were also caught up in the quake. Supporters ran onto the pitch as the whole stadium swayed.
Hospitals have been flooded with injured victims. Ambulance worker Kimberly Kelly said: "We're getting mainly shock, cuts and shortness of breath."
Officials are said to be shocked at the amount of damage as freeways and buildings are supposed to be earthquake-proof.
The Governor of California, George Deukmajian, said: "I had been under the impression that the highways had been constructed to deal with any severe earthquake and I am very surprised to see what has happened to some of those."
"I think we are going to have some kind of inquiry to determine why they did not survive a quake of the severity of this one." |
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Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
No... the old roadway was destroyed in the '89 earthquake, and so they rebuilt it as the MacArthur Maze.... |
Actually, this wasn't affected by that earthquake, but it was near there. The part that melted was quite a few years old. Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that it did melt the steel which caused the collapse, or at least that's what CalTrans is "claiming". I'm sure they are just covering up to cover up the 9/11 coverup, tho... |
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Quote: Originally posted by WillieJones
Actually, this wasn't affected by that earthquake, but it was near there. The part that melted was quite a few years old. Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that it did melt the steel which caused the collapse, or at least that's what CalTrans is "claiming". I'm sure they are just covering up to cover up the 9/11 coverup, tho... |
I don't know, I don't think either of us can prove wether or not it was effected by the earthquake or not. What is for sure, is that extensive retro-fitting occurred all along that freeway after the earthquake... and I can say with almost absolute certainty that the earthquake most likely had nothing to do with a weakening of the structural integrity of that freeway before the tanker melted it. |
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Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
I don't know, I don't think either of us can prove wether or not it was effected by the earthquake or not. What is for sure, is that extensive retro-fitting occurred all along that freeway after the earthquake... and I can say with almost absolute certainty that the earthquake most likely had nothing to do with a weakening of the structural integrity of that freeway before the tanker melted it. |
I agree. Earthquake weakening is pure speculation, but I'm sure it will become a "fact" within a few posts... |
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Quote: Originally posted by WillieJones
I agree. Earthquake weakening is pure speculation, but I'm sure it will become a "fact" within a few posts... |
:rofl: :spit:
I'm sure you're right. |
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| I should go back to TO. This thread is a mess. |
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Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
I should go back to TO. This thread is a mess. |
It has been a mess since you have no proof :hw: :hw: :hw: :hw: :hw: :hw:
OFFICIAL SHIT THREAD ! |
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| C'mon, admit it, you missed me, didn't you buddy? |
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Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
C'mon, admit it, you missed me, didn't you buddy? |
Yeah , the level of stupidity wasn't as deep as you provide.
:D :D :D :D :D |
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Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
Yeah , the level of stupidity wasn't as deep as you provide.
:D :D :D :D :D |
If I didn't know better, I'd think you were ending your posts with smilies in an attempt to get me TO'd again.
You're not Boots, Billy. |
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Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
If I didn't know better, I'd think you were ending your posts with smilies in an attempt to get me TO'd again.
You're not Boots, Billy. |
Come on, wheres the U-Tube video that proves I'm provoking you?
Who would want to be Boots anyway?
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D |
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Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
Who would want to be Boots anyway?
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D |
Damn good point, but be careful, that guy has an itchy trigger finger. |
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Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
I would never say this about any of the European or Asian countries. I wouldn't say it about anything South of us either, the Latin American countries are rich with beauty and heritage. Those countries actually have a unigue recognizable identity. You frozen fish sticks do not really have one. All you have is an inferiority complex that causes you fly off the handle at the first mention of your high magazine prices and mispelling of the word color. Get a grip and deal with your place on this continent and you'll be much better off. As far as the world hating us, I completely agree with their feelings based on what our idiot president has done over the past 6 years. As a liberal and a believer of the ideals that the constituion stands for, I'm embarrased by his actions. But, let's face it; the anger was always there. The anger doesn't come from what people like me project, the anger comes from people like you who believe I'm projecting anything. It's an inferiority paranoia not based on any actual fact. |
YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT.
"Those countries actually have a unigue recognizable identity." So do We
"You frozen fish sticks do not really have one" once again Go to School or how about looking it up on the internet instead of porn Fuck Face
"All you have is an inferiority complex that causes you fly off the handle at the first mention of your high magazine prices and mispelling of the word color." Hey you started the Cheap Shots
"Get a grip and deal with your place on this continent and you'll be much better off." Hey I do IT"S IN THE LAND OF THE FREE "CANADA" MOTHER FUCKER
"I completely agree with their feelings based on what our idiot president has done over the past 6 years." Least we agree on something, but GLAD you are stuck with him not me. |
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Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
I would never say this about any of the European or Asian countries. I wouldn't say it about anything South of us either, the Latin American countries are rich with beauty and heritage. Those countries actually have a unigue recognizable identity. You frozen fish sticks do not really have one. All you have is an inferiority complex that causes you fly off the handle at the first mention of your high magazine prices and mispelling of the word color. Get a grip and deal with your place on this continent and you'll be much better off. As far as the world hating us, I completely agree with their feelings based on what our idiot president has done over the past 6 years. As a liberal and a believer of the ideals that the constituion stands for, I'm embarrased by his actions. But, let's face it; the anger was always there. The anger doesn't come from what people like me project, the anger comes from people like you who believe I'm projecting anything. It's an inferiority paranoia not based on any actual fact.
BTW, The use of the bridge melting illustrates a point. A fire with considerably less fuel melted steel and caused a collapse. As Halycon mentioned, this bridge ramp was built after the WTC's, so the steel is either a comparable or higher quality. If you've even seen CA highway construction (I've lived in and spent a good deal of time in CA) you know it's most likely the latter. This happened from only a fire. The WTC had a jet loaded with jet fuel slammed into a building with a hollow design supported by the outer walls at full speed. The fires weakened the steel and the damaged support collapses. Fire can weaken steel. The nonsensical science you prove doesn't hold up. |
Like most dicks, your 10 foot tall and bullet proof as long as your behind that cheep ass monitor. Quit breathing, your wasting my air peanut. |
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Quote: Originally posted by Slut Monkey
Like most dicks, your 10 foot tall and bullet proof as long as your behind that cheep ass monitor. Quit breathing, your wasting my air peanut. |
You Canadians are very violent. You should stop watching so much U.S. news and stick to Hockey night in Canada and the the McKenzie brothers. I'll assume after those show you run test patterns, but you shouldn't watch those. |
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Hockey night in Canada and the the McKenzie brothers.
Well So your Educated.
Best 2 Shows on TV beats American Idiot |
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| Billyfromsphily |
How about The Schmengi Brothers? And that Irrepressible Guy Caballero?
Red Green anyone? |
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Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
You Canadians are very violent. You should stop watching so much U.S. news and stick to Hockey night in Canada and the the McKenzie brothers. I'll assume after those show you run test patterns, but you shouldn't watch those. |
What was that? What in the fuck was that? Fuck off little peanut, you bore me. NEXT! |
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Quote: Originally posted by Slut Monkey
What was that? What in the fuck was that? Fuck off little peanut, you bore me. NEXT! |
You're just the king of the comebacks aren't you? I shouldn't try to match wits with you. |
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That's some funny shit there. |
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Well? Apparently tinfoil-hat-wearing conspiracy theory nuts got it right after all. It was terrorists who were responsible for 9/11 right? And T-7 was done by terrorist themselves right? And now, three of the six terrorists who were arrested for conspiring to commit terrorists attacks at Fort Dix, overstayed their visas, then tell me, if it were terrorists who did all this, would not our borders be closed to prevent any future attacks? And Shouldn't the ICE agents make arrests and start deporting ALL illegals? No? Apparently not:
Quote: Bush's backing of bipartisan immigration deal splits GOP
The Washington Post and McClatchy Newspapers
WASHINGTON — President Bush's embrace of this week's Senate bipartisan immigration deal has split the Republican Party.
Capitol Hill operators were besieged with calls from interest groups Friday, and immigration clearly was Topic A on conservative talk-radio shows. Other key figures, including analysts at the Heritage Foundation and National Review columnists, derided the agreement as a sellout of conservative principles, while most GOP presidential candidates criticized the plan as a form of amnesty — a characterization rejected by the White House.
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who last year said similar efforts for a comprehensive immigration bill were "reasonable," called the deal reached this week the "wrong approach" to the problem. "Any legislation that allows illegal immigrants to stay in the country indefinitely, as the new 'Z-Visa' does, is a form of amnesty," he said.
Although the White House also is facing an uproar on the left, the conservative reaction underscores both the volatile role immigration continues to play in GOP politics and the fact that Bush has encountered mixed success in moving his party toward a vision of an open, pro-immigrant society. He once hoped the vision might help realign American politics by bringing Hispanics into the GOP tent.
Dem leaders' role pivotal
One senior White House official said objections raised by Democratic leaders pose as much danger as conservative concerns. He said he remains uncertain whether Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., are willing to allow Bush a Rose Garden signing ceremony on such a major issue.
"It is completely within the control of the Democratic leadership whether this bill passes or not," said this official, who insisted on anonymity to discuss strategy more openly.
The first big test comes Monday when the Senate votes on a motion to take up the measure, requiring a super-majority of 60 votes. Supporters acknowledge it will be close. The more-polarized House is expected to take up the issue this summer.
White House officials said they fully anticipated the conservative reaction and acknowledge they face a big challenge in educating even their strongest supporters.
Tensions already were running high among Senate Republicans who have been immersed in negotiations over the bill. Arizona Sen. John McCain, a presidential aspirant and one of the Senate's strongest champions for the immigration bill, has been pilloried by rivals for pushing a comprehensive approach. In a bipartisan meeting Thursday, the tensions apparently boiled over.
McCain, Cornyn at odds
According to several sources, McCain and Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, got into a shouting match when Cornyn voiced concerns about the number of judicial appeals illegal immigrants could receive. After McCain swore at Cornyn and accused him of trying to blow up the pact, Cornyn accused the presidential candidate of "parachuting" into the negotiations at the last minute. McCain, who helped craft a Senate immigration deal last year but has been represented by staff in most meetings this year, blew up, saying, "I know more about this than anyone else in the room."
McCain's camp denied he claimed superior knowledge of the bill, but acknowledged the two Republicans went at it. "These negotiations can be very tense, and there was a spirited exchange. That's it," said Brian Jones, McCain's presidential-campaign spokesman.
With the exception of McCain, most other Republican presidential candidates strongly condemned the deal. Former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson, mulling a White House bid, urged Congress to "scrap this bill and the whole debate until we can convince the American people that we have secured the borders or at least have made great headway." Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich of Georgia, also mulling a bid, called the deal "disastrous" and said the upcoming Senate vote would be a "defining moment" for the Republican Party.
"I can't imagine anybody running for president being nominated if they support this bill," he said.
Administration officials said they have addressed many of the concerns conservatives had with previous legislation: For instance, provisions making it possible for 12 million illegal immigrants to stay in the United States would go into effect only after stringent border-control provisions are implemented. Such "triggers" won the allegiance of Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Ga., who had opposed last year's Senate immigration bill, which never came up for a vote in the House.
Another change from last year's bill mandates that migrants participating in a new guest-worker program would have to leave the country after their short-term work visas expire, with no way to petition for permanent residence. That helped win over Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., another past critic of immigration legislation.
Phones ringing nonstop
Other provisions would strengthen penalties and create a merit-based system for future immigration.
"They're the things in this bill that Republicans and conservatives have wanted for a long time," said Joel Kaplan, deputy White House chief of staff and a key negotiator.
Still, conservative groups pummeled the legalization feature as amnesty, resurrecting a central theme from previous immigration debates. Phones on Capitol Hill were ringing so fiercely Friday that young staffers were handling several calls a minute, putting constituents on hold to handle others and repeating the same phrases: "Yes, sir. ... Yes, sir. ... We'll pass on your comments."
Supporters acknowledge that the bill wouldn't please anyone completely but, as a package, they say, it offers Congress and America the best — perhaps last — opportunity to repair the country's broken immigration system.
"It will be very difficult"
Immigrant advocates are hoping the active support for the deal from such notably conservative senators as Kyl and Isakson will be enough to persuade moderate lawmakers to support it.
"The ones who think this is just amnesty ... we're not terribly concerned about those guys. We weren't expecting their votes," said Frank Sharry, executive director of the National Immigration Forum, a pro-immigrant group. "Once this process gets started, House Democrats and Republicans are going to want to get it done. It will be very difficult, excruciating, like crawling over broken glass ... but it's never been more likely that we could get a bill done than this year."
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So what has that got to do with T-7? Everything. If Bush allows the terrorists that are in the U.S. to become American citizens, then isn't Bush committing a crime by allowing criminals to remain in the U.S.? Do you really think that Bush would sign a bill that will land him in prison for the rest of his life? Or is Bush not worried and there are no terrorists, thus the conspiracy theories? Either way, whether or not he vetoes the bill, there's still that element called terrorism that needs to be answered, and if he signs the bill, and there is no concern for terrorists living in America, then who blew up T-7? |
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Quote: Originally posted by KOAJaps
Well? Apparently tinfoil-hat-wearing conspiracy theory nuts got it right after all. It was terrorists who were responsible for 9/11 right? And T-7 was done by terrorist themselves right? And now, three of the six terrorists who were arrested for conspiring to commit terrorists attacks at Fort Dix, overstayed their visas, then tell me, if it were terrorists who did all this, would not our borders be closed to prevent any future attacks? And Shouldn't the ICE agents make arrests and start deporting ALL illegals? No? Apparently not:
So what has that got to do with T-7? Everything. If Bush allows the terrorists that are in the U.S. to become American citizens, then isn't Bush committing a crime by allowing criminals to remain in the U.S.? Do you really think that Bush would sign a bill that will land him in prison for the rest of his life? Or is Bush not worried and there are no terrorists, thus the conspiracy theories? Either way, whether or not he vetoes the bill, there's still that element called terrorism that needs to be answered, and if he signs the bill, and there is no concern for terrorists living in America, then who blew up T-7? |
I believe one of the provisions in the immigration bill disallows any one that commited a crime to become a citizen. Since terrorism or conspiracy to commit terrorism is a crime, those people are not eligable to become citizens. This is seriously a silly leap to the idiotic conspiracy story. Are you sure you don't want the recant? I'll allow it. |
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Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
I believe one of the provisions in the immigration bill disallows any one that commited a crime to become a citizen. Since terrorism or conspiracy to commit terrorism is a crime, those people are not eligable to become citizens. This is seriously a silly leap to the idiotic conspiracy story. Are you sure you don't want the recant? I'll allow it. |
The problem is, it's conspiracy. With the pressure from the Democrats, conspiracy alone is not a terrorist make. Remember the six who were arrested for the attempt at Fort Dix? Three of them had overstayed their visa. Had they kept low, they would have had the opportunity to stay in the country, get their Z Visa and do their deeds. The FBI only had one year of information as stated in cnn.com and it states:
Quote: The case began to take shape in January 2006, when an employee of a store told the FBI someone had brought a "disturbing" video to be duplicated, Christie said.
The video "depicted 10 young men who appeared to be in their early 20s shooting assault weapons at a firing range in a militia-like style while calling for jihad and shouting in Arabic 'Allah Akbar,' " (Arabic for "God is Great"), according to an FBI affidavit filed with the criminal complaints. |
Do you think that they weren't planning before? And if so, why weren't they deported? It took a video store owner to ship the info to the FBI to have these guys arrested.
Getting back to conspiracy, the amnesty bill will also give amnesty for terrorists who are in hiding. You think that the new law will stop a future terrorist attacks in America?
No.
But if Bush is adamant in passing the bill, does that mean that he doesn't give a shit about our safety or is it just a ploy to stir up fear? I think the latter, because, he would not want to commit murder and have the blood of millions on his or the party's hands. With that, T-7, what did bring it down and not the buildings surrounding T-1 and T-2?
Are you sure you don't want the recant? I too will allow it. |
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Quote: Originally posted by KOAJaps
The problem is, it's conspiracy. With the pressure from the Democrats, conspiracy alone is not a terrorist make. Remember the six who were arrested for the attempt at Fort Dix? Three of them had overstayed their visa. Had they kept low, they would have had the opportunity to stay in the country, get their Z Visa and do their deeds. The FBI only had one year of information as stated in cnn.com and it states:
Do you think that they weren't planning before? And if so, why weren't they deported? It took a video store owner to ship the info to the FBI to have these guys arrested.
Getting back to conspiracy, the amnesty bill will also give amnesty for terrorists who are in hiding. You think that the new law will stop a future terrorist attacks in America?
No.
But if Bush is adamant in passing the bill, does that mean that he doesn't give a shit about our safety or is it just a ploy to stir up fear? I think the latter, because, he would not want to commit murder and have the blood of millions on his or the party's hands. With that, T-7, what did bring it down and not the buildings surrounding T-1 and T-2?
Are you sure you don't want the recant? I too will allow it. |
Bush doesn't care about our safety and your incoherent post doesn't make any sense. |
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| Are you boys playing nice in here? I don't want to have to seperate you two. :D |
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| Your Avatar is proof of a conspiracy. If you enhance the photo 8000 times, you clearly see someone pre-wiring explosives. |
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Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Your Avatar is proof of a conspiracy. If you enhance the photo 8000 times, you clearly see someone pre-wiring explosives. |
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Keep your eyes open for the next 9/11:
Quote: National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive
NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/NSPD 51
HOMELAND SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/HSPD-20
Subject: National Continuity Policy
Purpose
(1) This directive establishes a comprehensive national policy on the continuity of Federal Government structures and operations and a single National Continuity Coordinator responsible for coordinating the development and implementation of Federal continuity policies. This policy establishes "National Essential Functions," prescribes continuity requirements for all executive departments and agencies, and provides guidance for State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector organizations in order to ensure a comprehensive and integrated national continuity program that will enhance the credibility of our national security posture and enable a more rapid and effective response to and recovery from a national emergency.
Definitions
(2) In this directive:
(a) "Category" refers to the categories of executive departments and agencies listed in Annex A to this directive;
(b) "Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions;
(c) "Continuity of Government," or "COG," means a coordinated effort within the Federal Government's executive branch to ensure that National Essential Functions continue to be performed during a Catastrophic Emergency;
(d) "Continuity of Operations," or "COOP," means an effort within individual executive departments and agencies to ensure that Primary Mission-Essential Functions continue to be performed during a wide range of emergencies, including localized acts of nature, accidents, and technological or attack-related emergencies;
(e) "Enduring Constitutional Government," or "ECG," means a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Federal Government, coordinated by the President, as a matter of comity with respect to the legislative and judicial branches and with proper respect for the constitutional separation of powers among the branches, to preserve the constitutional framework under which the Nation is governed and the capability of all three branches of government to execute constitutional responsibilities and provide for orderly succession, appropriate transition of leadership, and interoperability and support of the National Essential Functions during a catastrophic emergency;
(f) "Executive Departments and Agencies" means the executive departments enumerated in 5 U.S.C. 101, independent establishments as defined by 5 U.S.C. 104(1), Government corporations as defined by 5 U.S.C. 103(1), and the United States Postal Service;
(g) "Government Functions" means the collective functions of the heads of executive departments and agencies as defined by statute, regulation, presidential direction, or other legal authority, and the functions of the legislative and judicial branches;
(h) "National Essential Functions," or "NEFs," means that subset of Government Functions that are necessary to lead and sustain the Nation during a catastrophic emergency and that, therefore, must be supported through COOP and COG capabilities; and
(i) "Primary Mission Essential Functions," or "PMEFs," means those Government Functions that must be performed in order to support or implement the performance of NEFs before, during, and in the aftermath of an emergency.
Policy
(3) It is the policy of the United States to maintain a comprehensive and effective continuity capability composed of Continuity of Operations and Continuity of Government programs in order to ensure the preservation of our form of government under the Constitution and the continuing performance of National Essential Functions under all conditions.
Implementation Actions
(4) Continuity requirements shall be incorporated into daily operations of all executive departments and agencies. As a result of the asymmetric threat environment, adequate warning of potential emergencies that could pose a significant risk to the homeland might not be available, and therefore all continuity planning shall be based on the assumption that no such warning will be received. Emphasis will be placed upon geographic dispersion of leadership, staff, and infrastructure in order to increase survivability and maintain uninterrupted Government Functions. Risk management principles shall be applied to ensure that appropriate operational readiness decisions are based on the probability of an attack or other incident and its consequences.
(5) The following NEFs are the foundation for all continuity programs and capabilities and represent the overarching responsibilities of the Federal Government to lead and sustain the Nation during a crisis, and therefore sustaining the following NEFs shall be the primary focus of the Federal Government leadership during and in the aftermath of an emergency that adversely affects the performance of Government Functions:
(a) Ensuring the continued functioning of our form of government under the Constitution, including the functioning of the three separate branches of government;
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