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| itsdifferent |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
"Nothing there except a hole in the ground."
"A big gouge in the earth and some broken trees."
"Nothing that you could distinguish that a plane had crashed there." |
Kinda like this
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
Go fuck yourself, just because I like to have as much information as I can before I make up my mind doesn't mean I can't have an opinion in the meantime.
WAAAHHH LOOK AT ME! I WANT KUDOS TOO!
What the fuck is your problem?
Because I don't immediately jump to your side whole-heartedly somehow I'm a 'bat shit loopy' sympathist?
Seriously, nothing seems more rediculous to me than the government pre-wired buildings in an attempt to stage the biggest fake war in history and keep 1000's of people somehow quiet about the whole thing.
So because I have some questions that were never addressed about Shanksville, PA and the Pentagon crash I somehow subscribe to the whole conspiracy?
Go take a nap dude, you're so busy screaming at stickman and fateswebb that you don't have the slightest clue what my opinion is on anything.
Frogball gave me some very important information that I either missed before or wasn't offered before regarding the Shanksville site... information that may or may not change my mind.
But that doesn't stop a hardcore balls-out fucking asshole like yourself. Instead you'll crucify my open-mindedness on this thread as though it's a weak position to not immediately jump to your defense.
Maybe I haven't been able to make up my mind on anything regarding this because everytime I ask questions, I'm being yelled at by assholes like you questioning my fucking motives and opinions. |
dang girl, take it easy. That was more a joke about me than you. It was self effacing humor designed for levity. I don't have any issues with your stance. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
"Nothing there except a hole in the ground."
"A big gouge in the earth and some broken trees."
"Nothing that you could distinguish that a plane had crashed there." |
Except thepieces and flesh fragments they collected !
Selective info from the Parrot! |
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| frogball |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Instead of looking at 2004 Mossaui trial photos that show no context and no serial numbers, see for yourself.
Watch the news report all the way through and listen to the eyewitnesses say that there was nothing but a gouge in the earth and some burnt trees. Nothing to distinguish that a plane had crashed there.
Please check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc |
do you trust volunteer firefighters?
http://www.nvfc.org/pdf/rolevolfiresvc911.pdf
"Upon arrival, firefighters found small pieces of the plane, spot fires, and a large
quantity of fuel scattered across a wide debris field. A quick survey of the scene found
no survivors. Additional resources were requested from County Control, which included
additional suppression companies and the Somerset Fire Company’s hazardous materials
team."
do you trust the Red Cross?
http://www.redcross.org/news/ds/0109wtc/010913penn.html
"Investigators are using yellow and red flags to stake spots around the site to mark where they had located parts from the aircraft, human remains or personal items belonging to the plane's 38 passengers and seven crewmembers." |
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| frogball |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
Except thepieces and flesh fragments they collected !
Selective info from the Parrot! |
what he meant to say was "obviously a plane didn't crash there because the news reporter said so"... |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by frogball
what he meant to say was "obviously a plane didn't crash there because the news reporter said so"... |
But your explanation makes sense?
What was it again? "how do i prove to you that a plane crashed in Shanksville? it's obvious because the plane and the people on it have never been seen again..."
Usually it's proven by things like evidence. In plane crashes that includes serially charged plane parts. You know the drill. |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
But your explanation makes sense?
What was it again? "how do i prove to you that a plane crashed in Shanksville? it's obvious because the plane and the people on it have never been seen again..."
Usually it's proven by things like evidence. In plane crashes that includes serially charged plane parts. You know the drill. |
what, evidence like this:
Quote: Originally posted by frogball
do you trust volunteer firefighters?
http://www.nvfc.org/pdf/rolevolfiresvc911.pdf
"Upon arrival, firefighters found small pieces of the plane, spot fires, and a large
quantity of fuel scattered across a wide debris field. A quick survey of the scene found
no survivors. Additional resources were requested from County Control, which included
additional suppression companies and the Somerset Fire Company’s hazardous materials
team."
do you trust the Red Cross?
http://www.redcross.org/news/ds/0109wtc/010913penn.html
"Investigators are using yellow and red flags to stake spots around the site to mark where they had located parts from the aircraft, human remains or personal items belonging to the plane's 38 passengers and seven crewmembers." |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
what, evidence like this: |
I find it amazing that in neither of these reports did anyone remember to bring a camera. |
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| Stickman |
I've tried to tell Snoopy that he should stay away from eyewitness accounts.
There are just too many that refute the official story.
Does this sound like a plane that was forced into the ground by hijackers or does it sound like Flight 93 got shot out of the sky.
Crash Witnesses Accounts:
"I heard like a boom and the engine sounded funny," she told the Daily News. "I heard two more booms - and then I did not hear anything."
What does Temyer think she heard? "I think the plane was shot down,"
http://dailynews.philly.com/content...cal/SHOT15C.htm
"It came in low over the trees and started wobbling," said Tim Thornsberg, a resident of Somerset County, who was working near an old strip mine when he saw the plane.
"Then it just rolled over and was flying upside down for a few seconds ... and then it kind of stalled and did a nose dive over the trees. It was just unreal to see something like that."
http://www.pittsburgh.com/partners/...ightheroes.html
Eric Peterson, 28, was working in his shop in the Somerset County village of Lambertsville yesterday morning when he heard a plane, looked up and saw one fly over unusually low.
The plane continued on beyond a nearby hill, then dropped out of sight behind a tree line. As it did so, Peterson said it seemed to be turning end-over-end.
Then Peterson said he saw a fireball, heard an explosion and saw a mushroom cloud of smoke rise into the sky.
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlin...crashnat2p2.asp
“I saw the plane flying upside down overhead and crash into the nearby trees. My buddy, Doug, and I grabbed our fire extinguishers and ran to the scene,” said Blair.
http://www.dailyamerican.com/disaster.html#3
Eric Peterson of Lambertsville looked up when he heard the plane. "It was low enough, I thought you could probably count the rivets," Peterson said. "You could see more of the roof of the plane than you could the belly. It was on its side."
"There was a great explosion and you could see the flames. It was a massive, massive explosion. Flames and then smoke and then a massive, massive mushroom cloud."
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plain...03529429109.xml
“Normally I wouldn’t look up, but I just heard on the news that all the planes were grounded and thought this was probably the last one I would see for a while, so I looked up,” she said. “I didn’t see the plane but I heard the plane’s engine. Then I heard a loud thump that echoed off the hills and then I heard the plane’s engine. I heard two more loud thumps and didn’t hear the plane’s engine anymore after that.”
http://www.dailyamerican.com/disaster.html#3
"We didn't hear that plane coming until it was right on top of us," she said. "Then there was a roar." She said the plane appeared to be gliding into the ground. "All at once it just stopped. There was no engine noise, nothing. Someone hollered, Oh my God!' and then there was a real loud thud."
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plain...03529429109.xml
Shortly after 10 a.m., workers on farms and scrap yards in Somerset County looked up to see an airliner flying low and erratic at an estimated 450 mph.
http://www.dailyamerican.com/disaster.html#3
Bob Blair of Stoystown was driving a coal truck on state Route 30 when he saw the jet plummet "straight down." Barn windowpanes for half a mile around shattered as the jet dived into a reclaimed strip mine and exploded at 10:10 a. m.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c.../17/MN40630.DTL
A witness told WTAE-TV's Paul Van Osdol that she saw the plane overhead. It made a high-pitched, screeching sound. The plane then made a sharp, 90-degree downward turn and crashed.
http://newsandviews.tripod.com/news/091101tv2.html
Bob Blair was completing a routine drive to Shade Creek just after 10 a.m. Tuesday, when he saw a huge silver plane fly past him just above the treetops and crash into the woods along Lambertsville Road.
Blair, of Stoystown, a driver with Jim Barron Trucking of Somerset, was traveling in a coal truck along with Doug Miller of Somerset, when they saw the plane spiraling to the ground and then explode on the outskirts of Lambertsville.
“I saw the plane flying upside down overhead and crash into the nearby trees. My buddy, Doug, and I grabbed our fire extinguishers and ran to the scene,” said Blair.
http://www.dailyamerican.com/disaster.html
Another witness, Michael Merringer, said he was out on a mountain bike ride with his wife, Amy, about two miles from the crash site.
"(I) heard the engine gun two different times," he said. "(I) heard a loud bang and the windows of the houses all around rattled."
http://www.pjstar.com/news/worldtrade/g34835a.html
Larry Williams, a former state police trooper who is now a private investigator, was golfing on the 17th green at Oakbrook Golf Course about eight miles away when he heard the engines “roar real loud and shut off.”
http://www.dailyamerican.com/disaster.html#3
"We got the call about 9:58 this morning from a male passenger stating that he was locked in the bathroom of United Flight 93 traveling from Newark to San Francisco, and they were being hijacked," said Glenn Cramer, a 911 supervisor.
"We confirmed that with him several times and we asked him to repeat what he said. He was very distraught. He said he believed the plane was going down. He did hear some sort of an explosion and saw white smoke coming from the plane, but he didn't know where.
"And then we lost contact with him."
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlin...crashnat2p2.asp
Meanwhile, investigators also are combing a second crime scene in nearby Indian Lake (2.5 miles from main crash site), where residents reported hearing the doomed jetliner flying over at a low altitude before "falling apart on their homes."
"People were calling in and reporting pieces of plane falling," a state trooper said. Jim Stop reported he had seen the hijacked Boeing 757 fly over him as he was fishing. He said he could see parts falling from the plane.
I lost this link.. but since the witness name is there I've left it up.
Some witnesses reported that the plane was flying upside down for a time before the crash; others said they heard up to three loud booms before the jetliner went down.
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlin...crashnat2p2.asp
"There was no way anything was left," Pluta added. "There was just charred pieces of metal and a big hole. The plane didn't slide into the crash. It went straight into the ground. Wings out. Nose down."
Bits of metal were thrown against a tree line like shrapnel, said state police spokesman Trooper Thomas Spallone of Troop A in Greensburg.
"Once it hit, everything just disintegrated," he said. "There are just shreds of metal. The longest piece I saw was 2 feet long."
http://www.mypittsburghlive.com/myp...le&eeid=5245814 |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
I've tried to tell Snoopy that he should stay away from eyewitness accounts.
There are just too many that refute the official story.
Does this sound like a plane that was forced into the ground by hijackers or does it sound like Flight 93 got shot out of the sky.
Crash Witnesses Accounts:....
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I'm not sure, but it certainly sounds like more evidence that a plane went down there. |
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| itsdifferent |
Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
I'm not sure, but it certainly sounds like more evidence that a plane went down there. |
:yesshake:
"There was no way anything was left," Pluta added. "There was just charred pieces of metal and a big hole. The plane didn't slide into the crash. It went straight into the ground. Wings out. Nose down."
Bits of metal were thrown against a tree line like shrapnel, said state police spokesman Trooper Thomas Spallone of Troop A in Greensburg.
"Once it hit, everything just disintegrated," he said. "There are just shreds of metal. The longest piece I saw was 2 feet long."
http://www.mypittsburghlive.com/myp...le&eeid=5245814 |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
I'm not sure, but it certainly sounds like more evidence that a plane went down there. |
Oh really? Like this one?
Meanwhile, investigators also are combing a second crime scene in nearby Indian Lake (2.5 miles from main crash site), where residents reported hearing the doomed jetliner flying over at a low altitude before "falling apart on their homes." |
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| Stickman |
Shortly after 10 a.m., workers on farms and scrap yards in Somerset County looked up to see an airliner flying low and erratic at an estimated 450 mph.
http://www.dailyamerican.com/disaster.html#3
Wow, so there were scrapyards in the area!
Coincidentally the "crash site" was near a scrap yard. Now that might explain all the "disintegrated pieces."
Sorry, but engines don't disintegrate upon contact with dirt. Damage yes, complete obliteration, no. |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
I've tried to tell Snoopy that he should stay away from eyewitness accounts.
There are just too many that refute the official story.
Does this sound like a plane that was forced into the ground by hijackers or does it sound like Flight 93 got shot out of the sky.
Crash Witnesses Accounts:
"I heard like a boom and the engine sounded funny," she told the Daily News. "I heard two more booms - and then I did not hear anything."
What does Temyer think she heard? "I think the plane was shot down,"
http://dailynews.philly.com/content...cal/SHOT15C.htm
"It came in low over the trees and started wobbling," said Tim Thornsberg, a resident of Somerset County, who was working near an old strip mine when he saw the plane.
"Then it just rolled over and was flying upside down for a few seconds ... and then it kind of stalled and did a nose dive over the trees. It was just unreal to see something like that."
http://www.pittsburgh.com/partners/...ightheroes.html
Eric Peterson, 28, was working in his shop in the Somerset County village of Lambertsville yesterday morning when he heard a plane, looked up and saw one fly over unusually low.
The plane continued on beyond a nearby hill, then dropped out of sight behind a tree line. As it did so, Peterson said it seemed to be turning end-over-end.
Then Peterson said he saw a fireball, heard an explosion and saw a mushroom cloud of smoke rise into the sky.
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlin...crashnat2p2.asp
“I saw the plane flying upside down overhead and crash into the nearby trees. My buddy, Doug, and I grabbed our fire extinguishers and ran to the scene,” said Blair.
http://www.dailyamerican.com/disaster.html#3
Eric Peterson of Lambertsville looked up when he heard the plane. "It was low enough, I thought you could probably count the rivets," Peterson said. "You could see more of the roof of the plane than you could the belly. It was on its side."
"There was a great explosion and you could see the flames. It was a massive, massive explosion. Flames and then smoke and then a massive, massive mushroom cloud."
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plain...03529429109.xml
“Normally I wouldn’t look up, but I just heard on the news that all the planes were grounded and thought this was probably the last one I would see for a while, so I looked up,” she said. “I didn’t see the plane but I heard the plane’s engine. Then I heard a loud thump that echoed off the hills and then I heard the plane’s engine. I heard two more loud thumps and didn’t hear the plane’s engine anymore after that.”
http://www.dailyamerican.com/disaster.html#3
"We didn't hear that plane coming until it was right on top of us," she said. "Then there was a roar." She said the plane appeared to be gliding into the ground. "All at once it just stopped. There was no engine noise, nothing. Someone hollered, Oh my God!' and then there was a real loud thud."
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plain...03529429109.xml
Shortly after 10 a.m., workers on farms and scrap yards in Somerset County looked up to see an airliner flying low and erratic at an estimated 450 mph.
http://www.dailyamerican.com/disaster.html#3
Bob Blair of Stoystown was driving a coal truck on state Route 30 when he saw the jet plummet "straight down." Barn windowpanes for half a mile around shattered as the jet dived into a reclaimed strip mine and exploded at 10:10 a. m.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c.../17/MN40630.DTL
A witness told WTAE-TV's Paul Van Osdol that she saw the plane overhead. It made a high-pitched, screeching sound. The plane then made a sharp, 90-degree downward turn and crashed.
http://newsandviews.tripod.com/news/091101tv2.html
Bob Blair was completing a routine drive to Shade Creek just after 10 a.m. Tuesday, when he saw a huge silver plane fly past him just above the treetops and crash into the woods along Lambertsville Road.
Blair, of Stoystown, a driver with Jim Barron Trucking of Somerset, was traveling in a coal truck along with Doug Miller of Somerset, when they saw the plane spiraling to the ground and then explode on the outskirts of Lambertsville.
“I saw the plane flying upside down overhead and crash into the nearby trees. My buddy, Doug, and I grabbed our fire extinguishers and ran to the scene,” said Blair.
http://www.dailyamerican.com/disaster.html
Another witness, Michael Merringer, said he was out on a mountain bike ride with his wife, Amy, about two miles from the crash site.
"(I) heard the engine gun two different times," he said. "(I) heard a loud bang and the windows of the houses all around rattled."
http://www.pjstar.com/news/worldtrade/g34835a.html
Larry Williams, a former state police trooper who is now a private investigator, was golfing on the 17th green at Oakbrook Golf Course about eight miles away when he heard the engines “roar real loud and shut off.”
http://www.dailyamerican.com/disaster.html#3
"We got the call about 9:58 this morning from a male passenger stating that he was locked in the bathroom of United Flight 93 traveling from Newark to San Francisco, and they were being hijacked," said Glenn Cramer, a 911 supervisor.
"We confirmed that with him several times and we asked him to repeat what he said. He was very distraught. He said he believed the plane was going down. He did hear some sort of an explosion and saw white smoke coming from the plane, but he didn't know where.
"And then we lost contact with him."
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlin...crashnat2p2.asp
Meanwhile, investigators also are combing a second crime scene in nearby Indian Lake (2.5 miles from main crash site), where residents reported hearing the doomed jetliner flying over at a low altitude before "falling apart on their homes."
"People were calling in and reporting pieces of plane falling," a state trooper said. Jim Stop reported he had seen the hijacked Boeing 757 fly over him as he was fishing. He said he could see parts falling from the plane.
I lost this link.. but since the witness name is there I've left it up.
Some witnesses reported that the plane was flying upside down for a time before the crash; others said they heard up to three loud booms before the jetliner went down.
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlin...crashnat2p2.asp
"There was no way anything was left," Pluta added. "There was just charred pieces of metal and a big hole. The plane didn't slide into the crash. It went straight into the ground. Wings out. Nose down."
Bits of metal were thrown against a tree line like shrapnel, said state police spokesman Trooper Thomas Spallone of Troop A in Greensburg.
"Once it hit, everything just disintegrated," he said. "There are just shreds of metal. The longest piece I saw was 2 feet long."
http://www.mypittsburghlive.com/myp...le&eeid=5245814 |
I'm confused by this, these are all people talking about a plane crash. Your assesment has always been no plane. Are you now saying you believe there was a plane. If it was shot out of the sky, that changes the type of conspiracy your pushing. Now it becomes a more plausable story of the military scrambling to a hijacked plane than shooting it down and denying it (although giving the 2 earlier suicide missions designed to kill people on the ground as well as the plane, people would have understood this was necessary and there would be no need to lie about this). If this was a planned event, your original no plane theory is the nonsense that fits. I've actually used these witness accounts in the past to refute your silliness. These witness accounts seem to indicate that you believe a plane was shot out of the sky. What gives?
One other thing, if you're saying a plane was shot out of the sky, where's the wreckage. The goverment could have pointed to it and blamed it on the hijackers, or since it was in the same area (Wow, there's a coincidence) of the hole that was already dug, why not just more the pieces to that hole....seriously, what gives? |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
what gives? |
You seem to be asking this sincerely so I'm going to answer in kind.
I've always contended that the Shanksville ditch is not where 93 crashed. Period.
Other than that, it is entirely plausible that it was shot down, even justifiably so.
These eyewitnesses seem to be supporting the idea that it was shot down.
An engine found in Indian Lake supports that it was shot down.
Why hasn't the gov't shown these pics? Isn't it obvious? It would prove the plane was shot down.
As for why or how it was done, I couldn't possibly know that, but it is highly suspicious that a scrap yard is so close and the crash zone is off an access road.
Perhaps, and this is pure speculation, 93 was a botched part of the larger plan, and the ditch was just a hasty attempt to cover up the truth. Maybe the conspirators intended for it to be flown into the Capital. I don't know.
What I do know, and what a lot of evidence (and lack thereof) proves is that 93 didn't disintegrate upon contact with that ditch. |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
But your explanation makes sense?
What was it again? "how do i prove to you that a plane crashed in Shanksville? it's obvious because the plane and the people on it have never been seen again..."
Usually it's proven by things like evidence. In plane crashes that includes serially charged plane parts. You know the drill. |
Like the links Frogball showed you with plane parts from the scene and the coroner saying, " were essentially cremated together upon impact. Hundreds of searchers who climbed the hemlocks and combed the woods for weeks were able to find about 1,500 mostly scorched samples of human tissue totaling less than 600 pounds , or about 8 percent of the total " |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
You seem to be asking this sincerely so I'm going to answer in kind.
I've always contended that the Shanksville ditch is not where 93 crashed. Period.
Other than that, it is entirely plausible that it was shot down, even justifiably so.
These eyewitnesses seem to be supporting the idea that it was shot down.
An engine found in Indian Lake supports that it was shot down.
Why hasn't the gov't shown these pics? Isn't it obvious? It would prove the plane was shot down.
As for why or how it was done, I couldn't possibly know that, but it is highly suspicious that a scrap yard is so close and the crash zone is off an access road.
Perhaps, and this is pure speculation, 93 was a botched part of the larger plan, and the ditch was just a hasty attempt to cover up the truth. Maybe the conspirators intended for it to be flown into the Capital. I don't know.
What I do know, and what a lot of evidence (and lack thereof) proves is that 93 didn't disintegrate upon contact with that ditch. |
Perhaps it is pure speculation? If it was shot down, than the only explanation for that is that hijackers were on board preparing for the 4th suicide mission. That's a completely different conspiracy than the one you've been arguing. |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Perhaps it is pure speculation? If it was shot down, than the only explanation for that is that hijackers were on board preparing for the 4th suicide mission. That's a completely different conspiracy than the one you've been arguing. |
Not if the hijackers were patsies.
There is only one point necessary to prove that the gov't is lying about 93. If it didn't crash in that ditch, they're lying. Shot down, landed in Cleveland, military flyover, I don't know.
Again, if the ditch is empty the whole 93 story is a lie. |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Not if the hijackers were patsies.
There is only one point necessary to prove that the gov't is lying about 93. If it didn't crash in that ditch, they're lying. Shot down, landed in Cleveland, military flyover, I don't know.
Again, if the ditch is empty the whole 93 story is a lie. |
The Cleveland plane thing. I didn't think that was even in play anymore. There have been more than enough people on board the plane that actually landed in Cleveland. Delta Flight 1989 had the emergency landing and it was identified incorrectly as Flight 93. Are you still pushing the Cleveland story?
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/20...11_tension.html |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Again, if the ditch is empty the whole 93 story is a lie. |
O.k., but if it is was shot down, it's a different conspiracy story. It's shooting down a hijacked plane than covering it up. |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
The Cleveland plane thing. I didn't think that was even in play anymore. There have been more than enough people on board the plane that actually landed in Cleveland. Delta Flight 1989 had the emergency landing and it was identified incorrectly as Flight 93. Are you still pushing the Cleveland story?
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/20...11_tension.html |
Thus, the modifier at the end of the sentence, "I don't know."
I was suggesting that there's a lot of theories. My point is the same, 93 didn't crash in that ditch. |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Thus, the modifier at the end of the sentence, "I don't know."
I was suggesting that there's a lot of theories. My point is the same, 93 didn't crash in that ditch. |
Did a plane fall out of the sky like your witnesses indicate? |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Thus, the modifier at the end of the sentence, "I don't know."
I was suggesting that there's a lot of theories. My point is the same, 93 didn't crash in that ditch. |
Is it possible that everyone on Delta Flight 1989 is lying?, or is it more likely that the Cleveland is the least of your possible scenarios? |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
O.k., but if it is was shot down, it's a different conspiracy story. It's shooting down a hijacked plane than covering it up. |
Then no Todd Beamer, no Let's Roll. And is this their only lie, is everything else exactly as they told us?
Granted, if 94 were the only anomaly, I'd chalk it up to a military necessity. But it's such a huge lie that so much of the official story rests on. It proves the extent gov't officials are willing to go to cover up their crimes. |
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| frogball |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Thus, the modifier at the end of the sentence, "I don't know."
I was suggesting that there's a lot of theories. My point is the same, 93 didn't crash in that ditch. |
your statement "93 didn't crash in that ditch" appears to be definitive, so could you just clarify something for me? which of the following do you consider to be true?
1) some other plane crashed in that ditch
2) the ditch was created by conspirators
3) the ditch is the result of 93 being shot down
i've been down this road with you before and i'm pretty sure you're not going to answer...so you have to understand that your definitive statement about what didn't happen doesn't carry much weight if you don't have a definitive statement about what did happen.... |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Then no Todd Beamer, no Let's Roll. And is this their only lie, is everything else exactly as they told us?
Granted, if 94 were the only anomaly, I'd chalk it up to a military necessity. But it's such a huge lie that so much of the official story rests on. It proves the extent gov't officials are willing to go to cover up their crimes. |
But the conspiracy becomes about hijackers. If it becomes about that, than you have to change your story on WTC 1, 2, and the Pentagon. |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by frogball
your statement "93 didn't crash in that ditch" appears to be definitive, so could you just clarify something for me? which of the following do you consider to be true?
1) some other plane crashed in that ditch
2) the ditch was created by conspirators
3) the ditch is the result of 93 being shot down
i've been down this road with you before and i'm pretty sure you're not going to answer...so you have to understand that your definitive statement about what didn't happen doesn't carry much weight if you don't have a definitive statement about what did happen.... |
2 - I think conspirators is a loaded word. It would be more accurate to say that conspirators used that ditch as the crash site. I don't know how it was created. |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
But the conspiracy becomes about hijackers. If it becomes about that, than you have to change your story on WTC 1, 2, and the Pentagon. |
I'm not exactly sure what you're asking, but I'm impressed that you've been able to ask these questions without referring to me as stupid or a loon. So I'd like to work with you on this.
Are you saying that the hijackers have to be real if the gov't shot down 93. That's a good point, but there are still too many possibilities, such as what I said before. The hijackers could have been patsies. |
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| frogball |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
2 - I think conspirators is a loaded word. It would be more accurate to say that conspirators used that ditch as the crash site. I don't know how it was created. |
and the debris is from the local scrapyard? |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by frogball
and the debris is from the local scrapyard? |
I said I thought it was interesting that scrap metal was reported to be in the ditch and there's a scrapyard close by. |
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| frogball |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
I said I thought it was interesting that scrap metal was reported to be in the ditch and there's a scrapyard close by. |
if it's only interesting, why make the point? if you don't believe it's from the scrapyard, where was it from?
the final cleanup of the area was done by 300 volunteers, are you saying that they were not picking up airplane debris?
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/Som...nagementAge.pdf |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
I said I thought it was interesting that scrap metal was reported to be in the ditch and there's a scrapyard close by. |
Yeah and how about some more details like the name of the scrapyard and who reported this?
More deflective bullshit from the PARROT! |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by frogball
if it's only interesting, why make the point? if you don't believe it's from the scrapyard, where was it from?
the final cleanup of the area was done by 300 volunteers, are you saying that they were not picking up airplane debris?
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/Som...nagementAge.pdf |
Stick doesn't need any evidence. He just has to show that there was one lie in the "official story" and that means therefore all it must be a lie and his story is true. Or something like that. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
| He's just a jitbag who is impressed with himself! |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
Stick doesn't need any evidence. He just has to show that there was one lie in the "official story" and that means therefore all it must be a lie and his story is true. Or something like that. |
Are you and Snoopy admitting that the crash of Flight 93 might be a lie?
And if you're investigating a criminal and you find out that one part of his story is in fact a lie, that will make the rest of his story suspicious. |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Are you and Snoopy admitting that the crash of Flight 93 might be a lie?
And if you're investigating a criminal and you find out that one part of his story is in fact a lie, that will make the rest of his story suspicious. |
Let me make this clear, while the earlier compliment regarding my ability to withold calling you a loon was appreciated, the story about the military blowing the plane out of the sky is as equally moronic you bat shit loopy, conspiracy cult induced minded, wacko. I'm simply trying to get you to stick to one stupid story. Your use of witnesses who saw a plane completely contradicts everything you said about that hole. Your explanation that maybe their was another plane that was heading toward the capital but something happened and it was aborted (by shooting the patsy down) doesn't make any sense god damned sense because the hole is still in the f-ing ground. Was that plane supposed to hit the capital and the hole explained as a fifth plane. Also, the mission is aborted and the plane shot down right in the area where the hole is....what a freeking lucky shot, you dumb ass, continually changing your story when something in the original retarted (i'll spell it anyway I like) story you're ad-libbing doesn't make sense.
Are you admitting that there was a plane, regardless of what happened to it. |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Let me make this clear, while the earlier compliment regarding my ability to withold calling you a loon was appreciated, the story about the military blowing the plane out of the sky is as equally moronic you bat shit loopy, conspiracy cult induced minded, wacko. I'm simply trying to get you to stick to one stupid story. Your use of witnesses who saw a plane completely contradicts everything you said about that hole. Your explanation that maybe their was another plane that was heading toward the capital but something happened and it was aborted (by shooting the patsy down) doesn't make any sense god damned sense because the hole is still in the f-ing ground. Was that plane supposed to hit the capital and the hole explained as a fifth plane. Also, the mission is aborted and the plane shot down right in the area where the hole is....what a freeking lucky shot, you dumb ass, continually changing your story when something in the original retarted (i'll spell it anyway I like) story your ad-libbing doesn't make sense.
Are you admitting that there was a plane, regardless of what happened to it. |
Now now, someone's getting very defensive.
If you would calm down a second, you would see that I'm not contradicting myself. Like I said, if you can lay off the anger and insults for a few minutes, I'd be happy to explain it to you.
If not, we can go back to insults and name calling. I don't want to miss the opportunity to call you Bat Shit Snoopy. |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Now now, someone's getting very defensive.
If you would calm down a second, you would see that I'm not contradicting myself. Like I said, if you can lay off the anger and insults for a few minutes, I'd be happy to explain it to you.
If not, we can go back to insults and name calling. I don't want to miss the opportunity to call you Bat Shit Snoopy. |
Ok, please explain. |
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| frogball |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Now now, someone's getting very defensive.
If you would calm down a second, you would see that I'm not contradicting myself. Like I said, if you can lay off the anger and insults for a few minutes, I'd be happy to explain it to you.
If not, we can go back to insults and name calling. I don't want to miss the opportunity to call you Bat Shit Snoopy. |
it's a simple question, if you believe that the crash site is a fake then why would you post eyewitness testimony from people who saw a plane?
does this mean that there was a plane but no impact? |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by frogball
it's a simple question, if you believe that the crash site is a fake then why would you post eyewitness testimony from people who saw a plane?
does this mean that there was a plane but no impact? |
Wow, is your thinking so absolute that you can't conceive of a plan in which an airliner is shot down, the perpetrators don't want the truth of the shoot down to get out, so they hastily create a nearby crash zone, complete with scrap metal? And then they invent an inspiring Hollywood style story to avoid any suspicion.
That's hard for you to conceive? |
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| Quit confusing Stick....He's so mixed up about what he believes he's getting all of his thoughts discombobulated |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Ok, please explain. |
I have, several times in this thread.
What I know: Flight 93 didn't crash into that ditch.
What is quite possible: It was shot down nearby and a fake crash site had to be hastily created.
What I don't know: What role Flight 93 was intended to play in the overall plan.
I know you want me to "stick to one stupid story," but it's more complex than that and I distinguish between what evidence has proven and what still might be possible. |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie
Quit confusing Stick....He's so mixed up about what he believes he's getting all of his thoughts discombobulated |
Really? I just made it very clear. This isn't a simple subject, as much as you'd like to believe that.
Even a right winger like you knows deep in your heart that the official story is falling apart. |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
I have, several times in this thread.
What I know: Flight 93 didn't crash into that ditch.
What is quite possible: It was shot down nearby and a fake crash site had to be hastily created.
What I don't know: What role Flight 93 was intended to play in the overall plan.
I know you want me to "stick to one stupid story," but it's more complex than that and I distinguish between what evidence has proven and what still might be possible. |
Seriously, the only reason it would have been shot down is because it was hijacked. That doesn't fit into your story. The Patsy thing doesn't make any sense because if there was an issue, that patsy could have just flown it straight down into the ground. Your explanations for this are amazingly weak. You threw in the Cleveland thing that seems to have been abandoned by most in your cult than came up with some new crap...weak, very weak.
BTW, let me see if I have this straight
- The first plane that hit the WTC wasn't real
- The second plane that hit the WTC was real
- There was no plane at the Pentagon
- There was a plane in PA....but it was shot down
Is this correct? |
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| One more thing, you have all these witnesses (the one's I used in the past) that say they saw the plane crashing. How many witnesses saw military jets. It would seem reasonable that giving what was going on someone somewhere would have seen it. |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Is this correct? |
Hardly. I answered your questions as best as I can. For some reason you still can't conceive of the possibility that 93 was taken out for reasons we're not aware of.
Please just answer this question:
Do you think United Airlines Flight 93 crashed in the ditch in Shanksville? |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Hardly. I answered your questions as best as I can. For some reason you still can't conceive of the possibility that 93 was taken out for reasons we're not aware of.
Please just answer this question:
Do you think United Airlines Flight 93 crashed in the ditch in Shanksville? |
Of course it crashed there. You have plane parts, witnesses, and the coroner who scooped and DNA. I'm just amazed at how open ended you keep your theory. You allow yourself so much wiggle room to adjust that it's tough to take you seriously. |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Hardly. I answered your questions as best as I can. For some reason you still can't conceive of the possibility that 93 was taken out for reasons we're not aware of.
Please just answer this question:
Do you think United Airlines Flight 93 crashed in the ditch in Shanksville? |
Tell me how many plane crashes were there on 9/11. |
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| I do....I have a friend that works for the FAA that has my complete trust who went to Shanksville the day after the crash. |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Of course it crashed there. You have plane parts, witnesses, and the coroner who scooped and DNA. |
You mean like these guys:
"It was as if the plane had stopped and let the passengers off before it crashed," Miller said." - Pittsburg Post Gazette (10/15/01)
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"Miller was among the very first to arrive after 10:06 on the magnificently sunny morning of September 11. Once he was able to absorb the scene, Miller says, "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there. It became like a giant funeral service."
Thousands of people -- the locals estimate up to 1,000 a week -- have arrived at an old coal-mining access trail called Skyline Road, where finally they can see what remains of Flight 93: nothing. "There's not really much to it, is there?" Wally Miller often says to families and other visitors who are bewildered by what they don't see.
Immediately after the crash, the seeming absence of human remains led the mind of coroner Wally Miller to a surreal fantasy: that Flight 93 had somehow stopped in mid-flight and discharged all of its passengers before crashing. "There was just nothing visible," he says. "It was the strangest feeling." It would be nearly an hour before Miller came upon his first trace of a body part." - Washington Post (05/12/02)
"Wallace Miller, the lanky, Civil War-studying county coroner, did see it. He sat at the family funeral home, his father, Wilbur, with him. They watched the second plane sweep in low, from nowhere. They winced when it hit.
He takes off his glasses, cleans them with his T-shirt. "This is the most eerie thing," he says. "I have not, to this day, seen a single drop of blood. Not a drop." - Pittsburgh Live (09/11/02) |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Tell me how many plane crashes were there on 9/11. |
Where? and be specific this isn't a fucking joke. |
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Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
You mean like these guys:
"It was as if the plane had stopped and let the passengers off before it crashed," Miller said." - Pittsburg Post Gazette (10/15/01)
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"Miller was among the very first to arrive after 10:06 on the magnificently sunny morning of September 11. Once he was able to absorb the scene, Miller says, "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there. It became like a giant funeral service."
Thousands of people -- the locals estimate up to 1,000 a week -- have arrived at an old coal-mining access trail called Skyline Road, where finally they can see what remains of Flight 93: nothing. "There's not really much to it, is there?" Wally Miller often says to families and other visitors who are bewildered by what they don't see.
Immediately after the crash, the seeming absence of human remains led the mind of coroner Wally Miller to a surreal fantasy: that Flight 93 had somehow stopped in mid-flight and discharged all of its passengers before crashing. "There was just nothing visible," he says. "It was the strangest feeling." It would be nearly an hour before Miller came upon his first trace of a body part." - Washington Post (05/12/02)
"Wallace Miller, the lanky, Civil War-studying county coroner, did see it. He sat at the family funeral home, his father, Wilbur, with him. They watched the second plane sweep in low, from nowhere. They winced when it hit.
He takes off his glasses, cleans them with his T-shirt. "This is the most eerie thing," he says. "I have not, to this day, seen a single drop of blood. Not a drop." - Pittsburgh Live (09/11/02) |
A magnificent show of your ignorance stickman. You don't even know what an analogy is!!!
Like the heat from the burning fuel wouldn't have evaporated the blood?
Why are you such a tool? |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Where? and be specific this isn't a fucking joke. |
You are your people are the one's who turned this into a game. Don't tell me it isn't a joke, I was actually there while you pretend to have some connection to this area.
There were 4 sites on 9/11; how many planes were there. You know what the question is. |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
You mean like these guys:
"It was as if the plane had stopped and let the passengers off before it crashed," Miller said." - Pittsburg Post Gazette (10/15/01)
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"Miller was among the very first to arrive after 10:06 on the magnificently sunny morning of September 11. Once he was able to absorb the scene, Miller says, "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there. It became like a giant funeral service."
Thousands of people -- the locals estimate up to 1,000 a week -- have arrived at an old coal-mining access trail called Skyline Road, where finally they can see what remains of Flight 93: nothing. "There's not really much to it, is there?" Wally Miller often says to families and other visitors who are bewildered by what they don't see.
Immediately after the crash, the seeming absence of human remains led the mind of coroner Wally Miller to a surreal fantasy: that Flight 93 had somehow stopped in mid-flight and discharged all of its passengers before crashing. "There was just nothing visible," he says. "It was the strangest feeling." It would be nearly an hour before Miller came upon his first trace of a body part." - Washington Post (05/12/02)
"Wallace Miller, the lanky, Civil War-studying county coroner, did see it. He sat at the family funeral home, his father, Wilbur, with him. They watched the second plane sweep in low, from nowhere. They winced when it hit.
He takes off his glasses, cleans them with his T-shirt. "This is the most eerie thing," he says. "I have not, to this day, seen a single drop of blood. Not a drop." - Pittsburgh Live (09/11/02) |
I've already posted Miller's response to being included in this sillines, but apparently you choose to ignore it, so:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...A56110-2002May8
As coroner, responsible for returning human remains, Miller has been forced to share with the families information that is unimaginable. As he clinically recounts to them, holding back very few details, the 33 passengers, seven crew and four hijackers together weighed roughly 7,000 pounds. They were essentially cremated together upon impact. Hundreds of searchers who climbed the hemlocks and combed the woods for weeks were able to find about 1,500 mostly scorched samples of human tissue totaling less than 600 pounds , or about 8 percent of the total.
As an FYI, the conspiracy theorists believe coroner is on the plot as well. So we're left again with an eyewitness (like those that saw a plane hit the Pentagon) who cannot be explained just being added to the conspiracy story.
Another thing before the conspiracy trickery is pulled out, Miller is quoted as saying " "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there"
This is used in almost every conspiracy blog and it pissed a distraught Miller off. When asked about this because of all the attention it received from the conspiracy cult, he said:
"I said that I stopped being a coroner after about 20 minutes because it was perfectly clear what the manner of death was going to be.
"It was a plane crash, but yet it was a homicide because terrorists had hijacked the plane and killed the passengers."
He says it is technically correct that there were no complete bodies at the crash site, but the recovery operation found many body parts and DNA to identify all the passengers and crew on board. |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
I've already posted Miller's response to being included in this sillines, but apparently you choose to ignore it, so:
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And this is something that Stick can never address unless he claims that Miller was "gotten to". :rolleyes: |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
And this is something that Stick can never address unless he claims that Miller was "gotten to". :rolleyes: |
Why didn't you ever respond to my question about your two reports that contain no photographic evidence? |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Why didn't you ever respond to my question about your two reports that contain no photographic evidence? |
Answering a question with a question is not a debate. It is an argument. Something you are defenseless in!
Now go and cut and paste some more inconclusive bullshit or regurgitate your usual shortsighted views.
Run along we are waiting. |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Why didn't you ever respond to my question about your two reports that contain no photographic evidence? |
You brought up Miller. If you are using his as proof of your story, you have to explain why he says it's bullshit. |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
You brought up Miller. If you are using his as proof of your story, you have to explain why he says it's bullshit. |
No, you do. A year after 9/11 he said he hadn't seen a single drop of blood. A few years later he says, "the recovery operation found many body parts and DNA to identify all the passengers and crew on board. "
The recovery operation, not him. He didn't change his story. He never did see a drop of blood.
Who did then? FBI? |
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| frogball |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
Wow, is your thinking so absolute that you can't conceive of a plan in which an airliner is shot down, the perpetrators don't want the truth of the shoot down to get out, so they hastily create a nearby crash zone, complete with scrap metal? And then they invent an inspiring Hollywood style story to avoid any suspicion.
That's hard for you to conceive? |
your attempt to deflect the responsibility of supporting your opinion and putting me in a defensive position is weak...
i'm going to ignore your question and treat it as a statement of what you believe happened...
which leads to an intriguing question for you to ignore....
when 93 was shot down, how long would it take for the following to happen?
- conspirators arrive at the fake site
- conspirators obtain scrap metal
- conspirators plant scrap metal across the fake crash area
- conspirators spread kerosene and light fires across the fake crash area
- conspirators exit without trace
keep in mind that you're limited by the amount of time it took the between the eyewitness seeing the plane crash and the first responders arriving at the crash site..which you agree actually happened because you've provided articles like this one:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c.../17/MN40630.DTL
""I just watched with my mouth open as this yellow mushroom cloud rose up just like an atomic bomb over the hill where I like to go hunting," said 72- year-old John Walsh.
Barefoot and in his bathrobe, he drove up the dirt road to rescue anyone he could find. There would be nothing he could do. "
Halcyon, are you paying attention????? |
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| Stickman |
Unless you can present actual evidence of Flight 93 parts in Shanksville, your line of questioning is based totally on speculation.
We have to start with the inital claim, that Flight 93 crashed into that ditch. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Your as stupid as George Bush!
Now you use denial to make your case??
Its all about stickman and his silly semantics game, isn't it PARROT? |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
No, you do. A year after 9/11 he said he hadn't seen a single drop of blood. A few years later he says, "the recovery operation found many body parts and DNA to identify all the passengers and crew on board. "
The recovery operation, not him. He didn't change his story. He never did see a drop of blood.
Who did then? FBI? |
He said that at first because he didn't see what he expected to see when he got to the site of a plane crash. He expected it to look like the pictures we see of other plane crashed. As you apparently still do. He was trying to explain his surprise to the outside world. This crash was not like most. Most of the time jets don't go in nose first at full throttle. And then to hit an area with coal mine shafts makes this a pretty unique situate. You have to let go of what you expected to happen and examine what happened. |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
Your as stupid as George Bush!
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"Your" unable to use English correctly. |
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| Snoopyrules |
You've been presented with evidence of witnesses (lots of them) accounting for human remains and body parts, so tell me why are they saying they found debris and human tissue.
The volunteer firefighters (Are they lying or part of the conspiracy)
http://www.nvfc.org/pdf/rolevolfiresvc911.pdf
"Upon arrival, firefighters found small pieces of the plane, spot fires, and a large
quantity of fuel scattered across a wide debris field. A quick survey of the scene found
no survivors. Additional resources were requested from County Control, which included additional suppression companies and the Somerset Fire Company’s hazardous materials team."
The Red Cross (Lying or part of the conspiracy)
http://www.redcross.org/news/ds/0109wtc/010913penn.html
"Investigators are using yellow and red flags to stake spots around the site to mark where they had located parts from the aircraft, human remains or personal items belonging to the plane's 38 passengers and seven crewmembers."
Hundreds of searchers who climbed the hemlocks and combed the woods for weeks (Lying or part of the conspiracy)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...A56110-2002May8
They were essentially cremated together upon impact. Hundreds of searchers who climbed the hemlocks and combed the woods for weeks were able to find about 1,500 mostly scorched samples of human tissue totaling less than 600 pounds, or about 8 percent of the total.
Let's be conservative and say 50 volunteer firefighters, 50 Red Cross workers, and 100 other volunteers. That's 200...what's their story. |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
He said that at first because he didn't see what he expected to see when he got to the site of a plane crash. He expected it to look like the pictures we see of other plane crashed. As you apparently still do. He was trying to explain his surprise to the outside world. This crash was not like most. Most of the time jets don't go in nose first at full throttle. And then to hit an area with coal mine shafts makes this a pretty unique situate. You have to let go of what you expected to happen and examine what happened. |
What you have to do is back up your claims with evidence. You fall for two famous hoaxes.
1) Where's the evidence it went nose first? This is not the angle that the Commission estimated.
2) If the plane hit in an "area with coal mine shafts" why wasn't it excavated?
You can't have it both ways: the dirt is soft enough to allow for a 45 foot burial, but hard enough to completely disintegrate the mass of the plane. You're falling for conclusions to justify the impossible.
You suck at this TT because you let your personal feelings get in the way of your critical thinking ability. You and Frog are not as dumb as Billy and Snoopy, but you all let your personal animous get in the way of logic. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
When have you ever shown any kind of logic but pretzel logic?
You don't have the simple ability to look at anything in any context but the ones that fit your stupidity.
Can't explain how a massive explosion wouldn't evaporate any liquids like blood? Can you Asshole?
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
He said that at first because he didn't see what he expected to see when he got to the site of a plane crash. He expected it to look like the pictures we see of other plane crashed. As you apparently still do. He was trying to explain his surprise to the outside world. This crash was not like most. Most of the time jets don't go in nose first at full throttle. And then to hit an area with coal mine shafts makes this a pretty unique situate. You have to let go of what you expected to happen and examine what happened. |
Here is another instance of a plane going nose dive at almost full speed. It is probably the most similar type of crash.
This is the Value Jet crash, described as:
""Eerily, there was very little debris at the site to indicate this was the final resting place of a 57-ton jumbo jetliner. There was only an inky black hole, about half the size of a football field. ""
Did the government hastily put this scene together as well. |
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| Stickman |
Quote: Originally posted by Snoopyrules
Here is another instance of a plane going nose dive at almost full speed. It is probably the most similar type of crash.
This is the Value Jet crash, described as:
""Eerily, there was very little debris at the site to indicate this was the final resting place of a 57-ton jumbo jetliner. There was only an inky black hole, about half the size of a football field. ""
Did the government hastily put this scene together as well. |
This is just Bat Shit Snoopy (you knew it wouldn't be long before I pulled this out), you're going back to a totally different crash? A crash in a swamp is not the same as a crash in Shanksville.
You also post only one pic from this crash, when a little research reveals pics with a lot more debris around. I'm not going back to that, this was covered in the debate with Frog.
Pics of 93, pics of body parts, pics of serial numbers, pics of scorched earth from 20k gallons of jet fuel, this is evidence. |
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| Snoopyrules |
Quote: Originally posted by Stickman
This is just Bat Shit Snoopy (you knew it wouldn't be long before I pulled this out), you're going back to a totally different crash? A crash in a swamp is not the same as a crash in Shanksville.
You also post only one pic from this crash, when a little research reveals pics with a lot more debris around. I'm not going back to that, this was covered in the debate with Frog.
Pics of 93, pics of body parts, pics of serial numbers, pics of scorched earth from 20k gallons of jet fuel, this is evidence. |
I want you to show me pictures of serially charge parts of this value jet crash. I also want to see body parts. Also, this didn't crash into an ocean or even a lake with some depth. It crashed into a shallow swamp where the soft muddy floor would have taken most of the impact. There should be signifigantly more debris than a crash into a strip mine. There isn't more because this is what happens when a plane crashes straight down at full speed. |
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