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| mcbutton1970 |
Quote: Originally posted by Jaeger
Where is Bluggraysky??? I'm wondering what the mystery injury that Tim was trying to sell me was all about?? |
I'm guessing something to do with his spine -- meaning he didn't have one to come up with the REAL reason why he got his ass handed to him last night.
Thanks for the continual MMA education. I don't get to watch the fights here, but I was able to follow along quite nicely last night with you guys (along with the site that was given play-by-play).
What's your opinion as to where Sylvia goes from here? |
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| Jaeger |
Quote: Originally posted by mcbutton1970
I'm guessing something to do with his spine -- meaning he didn't have one to come up with the REAL reason why he got his ass handed to him last night.
Thanks for the continual MMA education. I don't get to watch the fights here, but I was able to follow along quite nicely last night with you guys (along with the site that was given play-by-play).
What's your opinion as to where Sylvia goes from here? |
Well like most guys who take an embarassing loss, he'll get a mid level fight and the outcome will determine his future.
for example.
Franklin- bounced back nicely from his thrashing. He's back in contention.
Hughes- bounced back nicely
Babalu- not so much. His future in the UFC is in question.
In the UFC a loss won't end you. Two in a row to questionable oposistion??? thats a different story. |
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| Kengro |
Sylvia og Randy got bigger things to worry about... Crocop will kick theyr asses quite good, UFC have never had a extremly good heavyweight. Now they have got one in Crocop.
And the best one is still in pride, Fedor... |
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| mcbutton1970 |
Quote: Originally posted by Kengro
Sylvia og Randy got bigger things to worry about... Crocop will kick theyr asses quite good, UFC have never had a extremly good heavyweight. Now they have got one in Crocop.
And the best one is still in pride, Fedor... |
From what little I know, once Crocop gets used to fighting in the Octagon (another couple fights), look out whoever is the heavyweight champ at that time. Couture definitely gave the heavyweight division some legitimacy with last night's win. |
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| mcbutton1970 |
Quote: Originally posted by Jaeger
Well like most guys who take an embarassing loss, he'll get a mid level fight and the outcome will determine his future.
for example.
Franklin- bounced back nicely from his thrashing. He's back in contention.
Hughes- bounced back nicely
Babalu- not so much. His future in the UFC is in question.
In the UFC a loss won't end you. Two in a row to questionable oposistion??? thats a different story. |
Sounds like Babalu was a vicitm of his own hype. Hughes just totally underestimated GSP and it cost him. Franklin was simply overwhelmed by Silva. Sylvia was his own worst enemy (not taking anything away from Couture because he came in prepared and it showed).
I'm looking forward to Liddell/Rampage, regardless of the outcome. Do you think this one will happen by the end of the year? |
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| bujingodai |
I was also a little disappointed with Babalu, I agree he figured it would be a cakewalk.
Hughes didn't really look himself either to be honest, it looked like alot of effort on his part to win. Thats not what I expected. Lytle has to be given kudos for defending himself. Lytle is a class act as well. Actually even Hughes sounds a little less egotistical than normal, which is a nice change.
Kampmanns submission was really cool. A suprise. McFredries has some whacko hit power. Holy shit I would n't want to get smacked with that.
But all is true if Couture fights Crocop it is done. If Chuck fights Rampage, it will be done. Too bad becuase I love Chuck.
If Fedor comes he can fight anyone in the UFC, it is a finished bout. Actually make it a battle royale ala WWF he will still come out on top. He signed a deal with Satan. :D |
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| Salkicksass |
The Babalu fight was an upset. But what the hell was he thinking trying to throw a knee. It looked like desperation on his part and he paid for it.
Like last night with Franklin showed, the more fans get to know a fighter the more they apprectiate them as a person. He's a class act and so is Hughes. Fans don't get to see the man behind the fighter. Yes Hughes is cocky, but he is great to his fans and is a great family guy.
I like Cro Cop and yes he is a very strong and dominate fighter. But don't underestimate Randy Couture as a fighter and Champion. He has shocked fighters in the past and has shut up his critics on several occasions. Cro Cop vs. Couture might not be an easy pick, hell Fedor vs. Couture might not be an easy pick. It's all about training and match up. All I know is MMA needs more fighters like Randy Couture.. Shit sports in general needs more guys like Couture |
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| bluegraysky |
The only fight I was disappointed in was the McFedries fight. That said it was an incredible submission and a great match to watch.
Lytle in my opinion has very little shot at making another televised card with the PPV. Lytle took the coward way out and laid there holding on for dear life, and my grandmother could put on a more technically sound guillotine than he was applying.
Hughes went so far as to take some seriously ill advised risks attempting to finish the fight, but even the most basic fighter can hold on to avoid being finished.
Sylvia got worked by a SMART fighter that broke down his fight vs Monson and took advantage of every single weakness. Tim lost his way about 3 fights ago when he stopped fighting to become champion, and simply started fighting not to lose his championship. Anyone every see a football team play not to lose, and do anything but lose?
I could care less about the injury that Hughes was talking about while I believe him I simply don't care. If a fighter is hurt enough to lose the match he would have never got in the ring. Much like Silva talking about strep throat after Hendo knocked him out neither Tim or Wandy would have been in the ring if their ailments were that bad.
I am pissed for most the fight fans that missed 3 INCREDIBLE fights with fantastic endings.
Jon Fitch Vs. Luigi Fioravanti winner Fitch
This was a great back and forth match until Fitch wrapped a great RNC on Luigi in the second round.
Gleison Tibau Vs. Jason Dent winner Tibau
This went to decision but Tibau is a 22 year old kid at American Top Team, and I think we will all know his name by the end of the year
Jason Gilliam Vs. Jamie Varner winner Varner
This one ended with a crazy RNC 1 minute 30 seconds in
This was a GREAT card one of the best I have seen in awhile, but the problem is UFC is too fucking stupid to realize some of us are educated MMA fans and want to see ALL the fights not just the big names. Hell I would have traded the Sylvia vs Couture fight for the 3 listed above. |
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| Salkicksass |
Man I really thought McFedries was going to win that fight.
And as much as I love the UFC they need to show ALL the fights like stated above. Gice the fans what we want. I'm not talking about the TUF fans, but the real MMA fans that stuck around since UFC 1.. |
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| Kengro |
Crocop has the best takedown defence in mma, so he will be a real challenge for Randy...
And i don't think Randy have the speed to get away from him, Crocop is damn fast |
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| bluegraysky |
I can promise you Cro Cop is not happy about fighting Couture instead of Sylvia.
Cro Cop is unfamiliar with the cage and would much rather stand up with sylvia than get into a GnP/Sub match with Couture who is a octagon veteran. |
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| bk0 |
It was not a great card, in fact it was a fairly shitty throw-away PPV. It was an exercise in building the confidence of their marquee guys by setting them up with cans (sorry, I know they're your MFS buddies but still). The Sylvia/Couture fight was worth watching but the rest were mostly boring and predictable. I did not see the preliminary fights so I'll have to take your word for it.
UFC 69 doesn't look much better, yet more of their uninteresting reality show bullshit. With PRIDE now putting on world class events in Vegas the UFC is starting to look weak, at least in my eyes. I still have hope for the UK show, if only because I'm a big Cro Cop mark. |
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| Jaeger |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
Sylvia got worked by a SMART fighter that broke down his fight vs Monson and took advantage of every single weakness. Tim lost his way about 3 fights ago when he stopped fighting to become champion, and simply started fighting not to lose his championship. Anyone every see a football team play not to lose, and do anything but lose?
I could care less about the injury that Hughes was talking about while I believe him I simply don't care. If a fighter is hurt enough to lose the match he would have never got in the ring. Much like Silva talking about strep throat after Hendo knocked him out neither Tim or Wandy would have been in the ring if their ailments were that bad.
I am pissed for most the fight fans that missed 3 INCREDIBLE fights with fantastic endings.
Jon Fitch Vs. Luigi Fioravanti winner Fitch
This was a great back and forth match until Fitch wrapped a great RNC on Luigi in the second round.
Gleison Tibau Vs. Jason Dent winner Tibau
This went to decision but Tibau is a 22 year old kid at American Top Team, and I think we will all know his name by the end of the year
Jason Gilliam Vs. Jamie Varner winner Varner
This one ended with a crazy RNC 1 minute 30 seconds in
This was a GREAT card one of the best I have seen in awhile, but the problem is UFC is too fucking stupid to realize some of us are educated MMA fans and want to see ALL the fights not just the big names. Hell I would have traded the Sylvia vs Couture fight for the 3 listed above. |
Thank you for saying that. And I couldn't agree more. I didn't cut Rich the slack when Anderson crushed him, I didn't cut Wandi any slack when there was talks of Fever and Strep, I'm not cutting Tim any slack for yet another pathetic performance. Silly non game plan. I can't believe it's anything short of an over inflated EGO. I don't believe for one hot minute that Pat Miletich didn't know exactly what Randy was going to do. How someone can be so unprepared. Randy watched Tim's fights. Does Tim watch any tape??
And yes this lack of full cards on PPV events is just not acceptable any longer. The educated fan is getting screwed, and the newbie fan can use all the new faces you'll put in front of them. LEARN HOW TO BOOK AND PROMOTE A FUCKING UNDERCARD!! |
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| bluegraysky |
| Quote: It was not a great card, in fact it was a fairly shitty throw-away PPV |
BKo better check your stats buddy Pride isn't putting on word class events in Las Vegas anymore they canceled their April show.
Not to mention the First Pride event in Vegas (the one prior to the 2nd coming) was a giant piece of shit.
Lambert vs Sobral wasn't a good fight?
McFedries vs Kampmann
Franklin gave Macdonald a beating
Couture put on a freaking class against a much taller opponent
You sound like a bitter Pride nutthugger what are you going to say when the UFC owns all your fucking talent?
It's all MMA start to realize that and perhaps you will come to find that it opens up 3-4 events a month that you can watch and enjoy. Hell Robbie Lawler is fighting Frank Trigg in Hawaii next month, or Bodog is putting Matt lindland up against Fedor in April.
Did you even realize that K1's grand prix was on right after the UFC event? or do you have Prides cock so firmly lodged in your throat you can't appreciate the other orgs?
By the way the K1 event was freaking incredible!! Left High Kicks, Straight rights, Spinning back kicks all leading to people getting KTFO! |
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| KC CULTIVATION |
Still shocked Randy Won
Sylvia is a hack- |
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| jackelneck |
Jaeger i called the Heavyweight fight, when chatting w/ NT on Tues or Wed. " Randy must see weakness in Sylvia's game to come out of retirement & bump back up a class to fight him." . ;)
just sayin'
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| bk0 |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
Not to mention the First Pride event in Vegas (the one prior to the 2nd coming) was a giant piece of shit.
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Agreed, The Real Deal was not very good but they seemed to have worked out the bugs in their last event. I'm an MMA fan not a PRIDE or UFC nuthugger.
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Lambert vs Sobral wasn't a good fight?
McFedries vs Kampmann
Franklin gave Macdonald a beating
Couture put on a freaking class against a much taller opponent
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Lambert v Sobral was mediocre, I'm not impressed by Babalu's recent performances at all.
McFedries vs Kampmann was two B level fighters, decent action but basically unsophisticated.
Franklin v Mcdonald, Good fighter vs can. Who didn't expect what happened? (except mcdonald, obviously)
As I said, Couture/Sylvia was a good fight but in some ways was still champ vs can (Sylvia being the can).
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K1 is kickboxing, not MMA (except K1 HEROs). I enjoy all high level MMA orgs, I think UFC is falling behind compared to the competition which includes PRIDE and IFL. EliteXC put on a damn good show too. Bodog is shitty, as is KOTC in my opinion. |
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| bluegraysky |
Quote: Originally posted by bk0
Agreed, The Real Deal was not very good but they seemed to have worked out the bugs in their last event. I'm an MMA fan not a PRIDE or UFC nuthugger.
Lambert v Sobral was mediocre, I'm not impressed by Babalu's recent performances at all.
McFedries vs Kampmann was two B level fighters, decent action but basically unsophisticated.
Franklin v Mcdonald, Good fighter vs can. Who didn't expect what happened? (except mcdonald, obviously)
As I said, Couture/Sylvia was a good fight but in some ways was still champ vs can (Sylvia being the can).
K1 is kickboxing, not MMA (except K1 HEROs). I enjoy all high level MMA orgs, I think UFC is falling behind compared to the competition which includes PRIDE and IFL. EliteXC put on a damn good show too. Bodog is shitty, as is KOTC in my opinion. |
Kampmann is a B level fighter?? He is a freaking world class kickboxer that pulled off a sick triangle choke that he had to go from side control clear across McFedries body to land!
You call that triangle unsophisticated?
Sylvia has 3 losses and he is a can? You really are an uneducated troll.
MacDonald is a can? You are an idiot man.
UFC has recently purchased a ton of talent Werdum, Cro Cop, Lindland, Rampage, Mayhem Miller, and possibly Wandy with Trigg.
I don't mind if you are a newb mma fan, but at least keep your mouth shut until you actually know something about the sport. |
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| bujingodai |
I thought it was a great set of fights.
And I would have liked to have seen all the undercards for what I paid for it as well.
Did I hear Fedor vs Lindland? Thats a joke right? Either A or E Fedor would make a cassarole out of Lindland. |
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| SIRIUS88 |
| are there any links to the videos of last night |
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
Kampmann is a B level fighter?? He is a freaking world class kickboxer that pulled off a sick triangle choke that he had to go from side control clear across McFedries body to land!
You call that triangle unsophisticated?
Sylvia has 3 losses and he is a can? You really are an uneducated troll.
MacDonald is a can? You are an idiot man.
UFC has recently purchased a ton of talent Werdum, Cro Cop, Lindland, Rampage, Mayhem Miller, and possibly Wandy with Trigg.
I don't mind if you are a newb mma fan, but at least keep your mouth shut until you actually know something about the sport. |
:munch: Nuff said |
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| Salkicksass |
So when is the Great Fedor gonna stop running from the top dogs and have a real fight? |
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| bluegraysky |
Can't believe Matt Lindland is goin to take on Fedor!
I hope Fedor doesn't take Matt likely because team Quest doesn't screw around. |
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| Jaeger |
Quote: Originally posted by Salkicksass
So when is the Great Fedor gonna stop running from the top dogs and have a real fight? |
You are crazy, who do you want him to fight?? |
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| bluegraysky |
Quote: Originally posted by Jaeger
You are crazy, who do you want him to fight?? |
Fedor hasn't fought anyone from the list below since 2005, and in his entire career has only fought Cro Cop, Antonio Nogueira, and Arona from this list.
Mirko Cro Cop
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Josh Barnett
Fabricio Werdum
Aleksander Emelianenko
Brandon Vera
Mauricio "Shogun" Rua
Ricardo Arona
Wanderlei Silva
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
Quinton Jackson
Kazuhiro Nakamura |
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| Salkicksass |
| Great!! I don't have to make the list, lol.. :munch: |
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| Salkicksass |
| hmmmmmmmmmmm.. Nick Diaz and Murilo "Ninja" Rua just signed with EliteXC |
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
Fedor hasn't fought anyone from the list below since 2005, and in his entire career has only fought Cro Cop, Antonio Nogueira, and Arona from this list.
Mirko Cro Cop
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Josh Barnett
Fabricio Werdum
Aleksander Emelianenko
Brandon Vera
Mauricio "Shogun" Rua
Ricardo Arona
Wanderlei Silva
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
Quinton Jackson
Kazuhiro Nakamura |
Well I could add Cabbage, and Antonio Silva |
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| Kengro |
Well...
Cro cop have beaten Some of those, he lost to Fedor...
Wandelei has beaten som of those too, he got his ass handed to him by Cro cop
So the list shrinks... Fedor is by far the best heavyweight right now, it won't last forever. But i t won't end tomorrow |
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| bluegraysky |
I will only say this once:It is all about match ups
Kengro what you just described is called MMA math and it doesn't work.
By the way are you saying once Fedor beats someone that's it no rematches?
Think about what you are saying.
Matt Hughes beats GSP and in their rematch GSP dominates Hughes.
Let me show you why your logic and MMA math is stupid and doesn't work
Wait you will love this example.
By your logic one of the fighters from "The Ultimate Fighter" is better than the entire LW division of Pride!!! Diego Sanchez beat Nick Diaz who absolutely crushed Gomi the living legend.
How bout Matt Hughes is better than anyone in Prides MW and LW division? Frank Trigg a guy that was choked out by Hughes and everyone in the UFC is beat Misaki who won Prides MW GP. Misaki has wins over Dan Henderson, Kang, Baroni etc so again by your logic Hughes basically owns Pride :D
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| bluegraysky |
Quote: (post #330)
I will only say this once:It is all about match ups
Kengro what you just described is called MMA math and it doesn't work.
By the way are you saying once Fedor beats someone that's it no rematches?
Think about what you are saying.
Matt Hughes beats GSP and in their rematch GSP dominates Hughes.
Let me show you why your logic and MMA math is stupid and doesn't work
Wait you will love this example.
By your logic one of the fighters from "The Ultimate Fighter" is better than the entire LW division of Pride!!! Diego Sanchez beat Nick Diaz who absolutely crushed Gomi the living legend.
How bout Matt Hughes is better than anyone in Prides MW and LW division? Frank Trigg a guy that was choked out by Hughes and everyone in the UFC is beat Misaki who won Prides MW GP. Misaki has wins over Dan Henderson, Kang, Baroni etc so again by your logic Hughes basically owns Pride
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
Nothing? |
Ummm, NO?? I don't think there is a come back for that.. lol :bruce: |
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| bluegraysky |
Salkicksass did you know that Tsuyoshi Kohsaka is the greatest fighter in the world? Seriously MMA Math makes about as much sense as Bush's foriegn policy.
I wonder how many people will actually get that reference? Jaeger, Sal any guesses?
:mindmun:
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| bujingodai |
| You guys all are messed Shonie Carter is the best damn fighter in MMA, hands down. :D |
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| Jaeger |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
I will only say this once:It is all about match ups
K :D |
I think we should adopt forum Law that until the above statement is understood, I can't engage in intelligent dialogue with people.
Bluegraysky, we often view things VERY differently. We have different likes and dislikes sometimes. But god damn it I don't know how many years it's gonna take for the UFC to get the simple statement above through their TUF audiences thick heads. The above statement IS MMA.
In the old days, and in boxing it was refered to as "having someones number" .
Chuck has Tito's number for instance. As Much as Bluegraysky will disagree BJ Penn has Matt's number. ect....... Match up, Match UP, MATCH UPS |
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| bluegraysky |
Rules of MMA discussion
1. MMA math makes you look ignorant
2. Match ups = great fights
3. This is mma and on any given day a fighter can get caught in a sub or with a right hand, this doesn't mean they are bad fighters it means it's a FIGHT.
4. If you are a Nutt Hugger please say so at the start of your post, so we don't waste time reading the rest of your mindless crap.
5. The first time you say a TUF fighter is "the greatest ever" we reserve the right to give you a beating that will lower the number of brain cells you have to a level that would justify such a statement.
| Quote: Bluegraysky, we often view things VERY differently. |
That's cause you're wrong ;)
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| mcbutton1970 |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
Rules of MMA discussion
5. The first time you say a TUF fighter is "the greatest ever" we reserve the right to give you a beating that will lower the number of brain cells you have to a level that would justify such a statement. |
Remember, they clearly didn't have very many brain cells to start with when they made an assinine statement such as that. :D |
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| Jaeger |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
That's cause you're wrong ;) |
Nah my kool-aid comes from a different Gym is all. |
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| ripstoke |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
Nothing? |
Well it's like the old saying that is why they play the game. This is why they fight. anybody can bet anybody even rampage said nobody's beat him in training once in a while.
By the way i hit lambert for 375 and had couture at +170 for $500 nice underdawgs baby underdawgs. |
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| ripstoke |
Quote: Originally posted by Jaeger
I think we should adopt forum Law that until the above statement is understood, I can't engage in intelligent dialogue with people.
Bluegraysky, we often view things VERY differently. We have different likes and dislikes sometimes. But god damn it I don't know how many years it's gonna take for the UFC to get the simple statement above through their TUF audiences thick heads. The above statement IS MMA.
In the old days, and in boxing it was refered to as "having someones number" .
Chuck has Tito's number for instance. As Much as Bluegraysky will disagree BJ Penn has Matt's number. ect....... Match up, Match UP, MATCH UPS |
That is one reason i stopped posting on sherdog jager, it will always exist. It isn't about TUF newbs either. People just like to think they are right. i can tell there are many on this forum that have no clue and sad to say all they know is what bubba tells them and bubba admits not to knowing much.
I remember watching the first few ufc's then not watching again till about 2002 i missed a lot of pride in the beg but brought the dvd's and caught up.
As far as matchup's are concerned i'm always trying to figure out what the ufc is thinking but sometimes it works sometimes it don't
KOS vs Diego is one which i have no clue why, but it might be one of those fights that might be good. serra vs GSP is just disgraceful but like any other matchup you never know. |
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| bujingodai |
I agree with the matchup thing. Maybe they should make polls for the fans to help choose.
I have been pretty disappointed with what the TUF series potted out, maybe except for Forrest. I think even though he is in a slump, he has talent. |
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| Swish |
Quote: Originally posted by bujingodai
You guys all are messed Shonie Carter is the best damn fighter in MMA, hands down. :D |
Bullshit, Nick Diaz is. |
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by bujingodai
I agree with the matchup thing. Maybe they should make polls for the fans to help choose.
I have been pretty disappointed with what the TUF series potted out, maybe except for Forrest. I think even though he is in a slump, he has talent. |
They have open tryouts for a TUF show spot. They pick people they think will be good on the show. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't..
But the best fighter of all time is KIMO!! |
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
Salkicksass did you know that Tsuyoshi Kohsaka is the greatest fighter in the world? Seriously MMA Math makes about as much sense as Bush's foriegn policy.
I wonder how many people will actually get that reference? Jaeger, Sal any guesses?
:mindmun: |
Everyone knows TK is the King of Kings ;) |
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| Jaeger |
| <cough> Keith Hackney anyone?? </cough> |
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| ripstoke |
You guys have it all wrong the greatest of all time is....
Matt Albright
he is 1-21 i checked out overall worst record on sherdog.
by the way jaeger hackney got a school believe it or not.
man these mma threads on here are getting sherdoggish like. |
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| Jaeger |
Quote: Originally posted by ripstoke
You guys have it all wrong the greatest of all time is....
Matt Albright
he is 1-21 i checked out overall worst record on sherdog.
by the way jaeger hackney got a school believe it or not.
man these mma threads on here are getting sherdoggish like. |
bite your tounge :)
About Hackney's Gym, I was going to say he has just as many current UFC champs as a little gym in Iowa I know of, but I've decided I like Bluegraysky and want to be his friend. |
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by Jaeger
bite your tounge :)
About Hackney's Gym, I was going to say he has just as many current UFC champs as a little gym in Iowa I know of, but I've decided I like Bluegraysky and want to be his friend. |
Hackney a true Kenpoist |
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| bk0 |
| Quote: serra vs GSP is just disgraceful but like any other matchup you never know. |
That's exactly my point (which got me called a pride nuthugger and an idiot). They're poor matchups that cheapen the championship belt. |
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| Salkicksass |
For the many that don't understand the GSP vs. Serra fight.
The UFC has a television show called The Ultimate Fighter.. It started as guys making through a tryout and fighting eachother on the show. The winners in each weight class would get a six figure UFC contract.
Now the last season, the UFC brought back guys with potential that have fought on the UFC before. Now the winners in each weight class would get a title shot. The winners of the TUF show were Travis Lutter and Matt Serra.
Travis Lutter got his shot, blew the weigh-in and got his ass kicked.
Matt Serra will get his title shot at the next PPV. It would have been Serra vs. Hughes, but GSP beat Hughes for the title making it Serra vs. GSP..
Now I don't like Matt Serra as a person, but he is a top level BJJ Black Belt. |
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| bujingodai |
TUF The Ultimate Fighter.
Serra will be killed. He may be a world class BJJ guy, in the end it won't matter. Everyone in the UFC has some BJJ or GJJ in them. Honestly who is a pure stylist in any one style anymore. That was the old school UFC battles. Everyone is MMA. Being a BJJ black belt doesn't ensure victory. Hughes beat Gracie who is the epitomy of BJJ/GJJ. |
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| Barhat |
| GSP will beat down Serra like Spice did Big Dick |
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| wickedhahn |
Macdonald Post Fight Pic
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| bluegraysky |
Quote: Originally posted by bk0
That's exactly my point (which got me called a pride nuthugger and an idiot). They're poor matchups that cheapen the championship belt. |
Let's not confuse the facts here.
You got called a Pride Nutthugger and an idiot because you said
1. UFC 68 was a horrible card
2. Used MMA math
3. Called Macdonald a can
4. Said Mcfedries vs Kampman were B level fighters and unsophisticated after an unbelievable triangle choke
5. Called Tm Sylvia a can
By the way Jaeger that means Keith Hackney basically owns pride ;) |
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| bujingodai |
| I don't care what anyone said, 68 was an awsome show. |
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| bk0 |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
[B]Let's not confuse the facts here.
You got called a Pride Nutthugger and an idiot because you said
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| Quote: 1. UFC 68 was a horrible card |
I said is was a fairly shitty card. It was worth maybe $19.99, not $39.99.
Wrong. Find where I supposedly did.
| Quote: 3. Called Macdonald a can |
MacDonald is a tough fighter, but he's not on the level of Franklin. Maybe he will be in a year two but not now.
| Quote: 4. Said Mcfedries vs Kampman were B level fighters and unsophisticated after an unbelievable triangle choke |
Whatever. I don't care enough about the fight to continue arguing it. I have a feeling you train with one of those guys and that's why you're so pissed about the B level comment.
| Quote: 5. Called Tm Sylvia a can |
Sylvia was a sheltered champion in a weak division. Do you honestly think beating Jeff Monson and Arlovsky puts him on the level of Couture or Cro Cop or Fedor? |
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| Kengro |
Sylvia was weak, but i still don't think Couture will keep this belt after he meets Cro cop...
Crop cops takedown defence, speed and punching power is far above what Couture has in his arsenal |
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| Jaeger |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
5. Called Tm Sylvia a can
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Exactly, he's not a can. He's the most unprepared person I've ever seen and horrible to watch on PPV. |
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by bk0
I said is was a fairly shitty card. It was worth maybe $19.99, not $39.99.
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You are smoking some serious crack with that statement.. That is a true Pride nuthugger comment. |
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| bluegraysky |
Quote: Originally posted by Kengro
Well...
Cro cop have beaten Some of those, he lost to Fedor...
Wandelei has beaten som of those too, he got his ass handed to him by Cro cop
So the list shrinks... Fedor is by far the best heavyweight right now, it won't last forever. But i t won't end tomorrow |
WTF do you call this if not MMA math? |
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| bluegraysky |
Quote: Originally posted by bk0
I said is was a fairly shitty card. It was worth maybe $19.99, not $39.99. |
Quote: Originally posted by bk0
I said is was a fairly shitty card. It was worth maybe $19.99, not $39.99. |
It wasn't a shitty card it was a very good card
[/B][/QUOTE] Wrong. Find where I supposedly did.[/B][/QUOTE]
See my post above where I quoted you
[/B][/QUOTE] MacDonald is a tough fighter, but he's not on the level of Franklin. Maybe he will be in a year two but not now.[/B][/QUOTE]
MacDonald has done everything needed to get a match agaist Franklin, and he deserved a shot at him. Most MMA experts had him picked as the best potential upset. It was a great fight where Franklin showed he deserved to be considered a top ten MW
[/B][/QUOTE] Whatever. I don't care enough about the fight to continue arguing it. I have a feeling you train with one of those guys and that's why you're so pissed about the B level comment.[/B][/QUOTE]
Exactly you don't care about the "names" on the fight so you assume it's shit. Yes I train with McFedries, but I'm sticking up for Kampam not being a B level fighter or unsophisticated by any definition of the word. God you can't really be stupid enough to call a world class Kick Boxer, and someon who pulled off one of the most amazing triangle chokes I have seen a B LEVEL FIGHTER. The truth is you are a UFC hater so you dismiss everythign UFC
[/B][/QUOTE] Sylvia was a sheltered champion in a weak division. Do you honestly think beating Jeff Monson and Arlovsky puts him on the level of Couture or Cro Cop or Fedor? [/B][/QUOTE]
Loss Randy Couture Decision (Unanimous) UFC 68-Uprising 3/3/2007 5 5:00
Win Jeff Monson Decision (Unanimous) UFC 65-Bad Intentions 11/18/2006 5 5:00
Win Andrei Arlovski Decision (Unanimous) UFC 61-Bitter Rivals 7/8/2006 5 5:00
Win Andrei Arlovski KO (Punch) UFC 59-Reality Check 4/15/2006 1 2:43
Win Assuerio Silva Decision (Unaminous) UFC-Ultimate Fight Night 3 1/16/2006 3 5:00
Win Tra Telligman KO (Kick) UFC 54-Boiling Point 8/20/2005 1 4:59
Loss Andrei Arlovski Submission (Achilles Lock) UFC 51-Super Saturday 2/5/2005 1 0:47
Win Wes Sims TKO (Punches) SB 38-SuperBrawl 38 12/12/2004 1 1:32
Loss Frank Mir Technical Submission (Armbar) UFC 48-Payback 6/19/2004 1 0:50
Win Ricco Rodriguez TKO (Strikes) UFC 41-Onslaught 2/28/2003 1 3:09
Win Wesley Correira TKO (Corner Stoppage) UFC 39-The Warriors Return 9/27/2002 2 1:43
Win Mike Whitehead TKO (Strikes) SB 24-Return of the Heavyweights 2 4/27/2002 1 2:38
Win Jason Lambert TKO (Strikes) SB 24-Return of the Heavyweights 2 4/27/2002 2 4:13
Win Mike Whitehead TKO SB 24-Return of the Heavyweights 1 4/26/2002 1 3:46
Win Gino De La Cruz TKO EC 47-Extreme Challenge 47 3/16/2002 1 0:43
I'm sure you don't know enough about MMA to actually consider this list impressive, but I assure you anyone that has been watching would condsider this a damn fine fighting resume.
You are really making yourself look silly, but what the hell it's fun crushing you with facts. |
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| Salkicksass |
Pride's next HW Champion
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| bk0 |
The "mma math" quote is from someone else named Kengro. I never wrote that.
I know he's your guy, but Sylvia makes the UFC look bad. I'm sure Dana was thrilled when Couture crushed him because a Tim Sylvia performance doesn't sell PPVs. Can a 6'8" 300lb giant go into a ring/cage and have a damn good advantage against most normal fighters? Hell yes, but that doesn't make him world class. It makes him a gifted genetic freak who better take his paydays while he can. |
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| ripstoke |
Quote: Originally posted by Salkicksass
For the many that don't understand the GSP vs. Serra fight.
The UFC has a television show called The Ultimate Fighter.. It started as guys making through a tryout and fighting eachother on the show. The winners in each weight class would get a six figure UFC contract.
Now the last season, the UFC brought back guys with potential that have fought on the UFC before. Now the winners in each weight class would get a title shot. The winners of the TUF show were Travis Lutter and Matt Serra.
Travis Lutter got his shot, blew the weigh-in and got his ass kicked.
Matt Serra will get his title shot at the next PPV. It would have been Serra vs. Hughes, but GSP beat Hughes for the title making it Serra vs. GSP..
Now I don't like Matt Serra as a person, but he is a top level BJJ Black Belt. |
this is what im talking about going over in sherdog, i put $200 bones on serra, why cause i hope to see an upset cause i know it can happen dude, although, i think the odds should be about 10-1 dog for serra. Don't tell me brother your the one in the dark. |
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| bluegraysky |
Quote: Originally posted by bk0
The "mma math" quote is from someone else named Kengro. I never wrote that.
I know he's your guy, but Sylvia makes the UFC look bad. I'm sure Dana was thrilled when Couture crushed him because a Tim Sylvia performance doesn't sell PPVs. Can a 6'8" 300lb giant go into a ring/cage and have a damn good advantage against most normal fighters? Hell yes, but that doesn't make him world class. It makes him a gifted genetic freak who better take his paydays while he can. |
I apologize for attributing the MMA math quote to you, but you still own a shit load of ignorant comments in this thread
Tim Sylvia isn't my boy and to be honest over the last 3 fights he has completely changed his game. Prior to that he was a very good fighter that put on GREAT shows.
By the way why didn't you address any of my other points?
You never comment with any facts you simply throw out BS comments.
I don't like the way Sylvia fights but you can't say he isn't a talented fighter.
You are quick to throw out slams against Arlovski/Cabbage but what about Pedro Izzo and some of the other legends on his resume?
You would still be rubbing your cock if The Kampman vs McFedries fight went the exact same way except had the names Henderson vs Shogun in it.
Same with Renato vs Lambert that fight was freaking great! Renato controlled Lambert for 4:30 seconds until Lambert completely rocked Sobral to end the firts. Then Lambert came out and dominated on his feet for the KO!! Again if there names were Hunt vs Fedor you would be working your pole raw.
What the fuck is the difference between Nogueira vs. SOKOUDJOU and Franklin vs MacDonald??????
MacDonald did a hell of alot more to prove his worth than Sokoudjou did prior to getting the Nog fight.
It's fine that you are a name only MMA fan, but don't go around running your mouth. |
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| bluegraysky |
UFC 68 broke the North American attendance record with 3 million in ticket sales......
By the way next Monday at 1am est. is k1 Olympia heroes and it looks like a great card.
Kazushi Sakuraba vs. Yurij Kyselov
Melvin Manhoef vs. Yoshiki Takahashi
Caol Uno vs. Ali Ibrahim
Ryuki Ueyama vs. Vitor Shaorin Ribeiro
Hideo Tokoro vs. Katsuhiko Nagata
Hiroyuki Takaya vs. Andre Dida
Yoshihisa Yamamoto vs. Katsuyori Shibata
Kazuyuki Miyata vs. Black Mamba
For anyone looking to widen their MMA addiction K1 is a great place to start. |
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| Jaeger |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
UFC 68 broke the North American attendance record with 3 million in ticket sales......
By the way next Monday at 1am est. is k1 Olympia heroes and it looks like a great card.
Kazushi Sakuraba vs. Yurij Kyselov
Melvin Manhoef vs. Yoshiki Takahashi
Caol Uno vs. Ali Ibrahim
Ryuki Ueyama vs. Vitor Shaorin Ribeiro
Hideo Tokoro vs. Katsuhiko Nagata
Hiroyuki Takaya vs. Andre Dida
Yoshihisa Yamamoto vs. Katsuyori Shibata
Kazuyuki Miyata vs. Black Mamba
For anyone looking to widen their MMA addiction K1 is a great place to start. |
You know I'm soooo there bro. I figured other than NT I was the only one here who followed K1. It's going to be a GREAT card. |
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| bluegraysky |
It sucks man cause I have patients early on Tuesday, so that is going to be fucking brutal getting up at 4:45am.
Man I don't even want to admit how much time I spend watching MMA. |
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| bujingodai |
I have yet to watch a K1 PPV, are they worth it.
I know the fighters are top class but is the format boring? |
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| bluegraysky |
K1 is king in Japan so you can expect a lot of glitz etc
The fighters are absolutely top of the line in the same league as the other major orgs.
If you haven't seen one I highly suggest catching the event if you can. I really believe the more orgs people see the more they appreciate the fights instead of the org/big name fighters. |
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
It sucks man cause I have patients early on Tuesday, so that is going to be fucking brutal getting up at 4:45am.
Man I don't even want to admit how much time I spend watching MMA. |
I know what you mean. Between watching and training I get yelled at all the time. My son is almost 6y/o and he can throw on a mean arm bar.. lol |
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| Jaeger |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
MacDonald has done everything needed to get a match agaist Franklin, and he deserved a shot at him. Most MMA experts had him picked as the best potential upset. It was a great fight where Franklin showed he deserved to be considered a top ten MW
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I'll give you some MMA math.
MacDonald is to Franlin what Franklin is to Silva.
Potential for an upset. But we've seen the fights. It's just 3 different levels of fighters. I don't like Franklins chances against Silva purley based on Match Up. Unlike some champions Silva will come prepared for his fight. Will have studied every fight Franklin has ever had and proceed to take him apart with a superior skill set. does that mean Silva is unbeatable?? Hell no, it just means IMO Franklins not the guy to do it. |
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| Salkicksass |
I will post MMA news as I get it.
And it's not at Sherdog.. I hate that site
***UFC***
Chuck Liddell is on the March cover of Men's Fitness Magazine
Dana White is on the March cover of Grappling Magazine
Nevada OK's UFC chief Dana White vs. Tito Ortiz bout
Associated Press
LAS VEGAS ��" Nevada regulators today approved an unusual grudge match between Ultimate Fighting Championship president Dana White and the "bad boy" of Huntington Beach, Calif., Tito Ortiz.
White is the 37-year-old president of the mixed-martial arts promotion company that has become a heavyweight in the pay-per-view business. Ortiz (15-5-0) is one of its toughest, most popular combatants.
Ortiz made the three-round match ��" in which both fighters will box only, no grappling ��" a condition of his recent contract negotiations.
White was once Ortiz' manager, but the two "had a real bad falling out" in 2003, White said.
"The last time Tito and I boxed was six years ago, and he's a lot better than he was six years ago," White said after a hearing at the Nevada Athletic Commission, which approved the fight 3-1. "I'm a lot older than I was six years ago, so we'll see."
Regulators expressed concern that White would be seriously hurt by Ortiz, 32.
But most commissioners were reassured by sparring tapes showing White in the ring against another heavyweight from two months ago. White said he's been training since last July.
"I've seen Tito as a boxer, and he's probably not as good as you are," commission chair Dr. Tony Alamo told White.
Ortiz will weigh in at 205 pounds, while White weighs 196 pounds, both the boxing equivalent of heavyweight fighters.
The fight March 24 will likely take place at the UFC training center in Las Vegas and be broadcast later on the company's Web site, www.ufc.com, the company said.
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| bujingodai |
:D Wow, that will worth a watch I guess. or at least a download.
Will Dana throw a suprise and kick Titos ass? I dunno about that.
Lets get Joe Rogan and Jeff Goldberg in there. Who'd win that.
How about a MMA match between Bea Arthur and a bag of peat moss? |
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by bujingodai
:D Wow, that will worth a watch I guess. or at least a download.
Will Dana throw a suprise and kick Titos ass? I dunno about that.
Lets get Joe Rogan and Jeff Goldberg in there. Who'd win that.
How about a MMA match between Bea Arthur and a bag of peat moss? |
Joe Rogan is actually a good fighter, he's got some good BJJ skills. He was actually rolling with Rampage Jackson on the last episode of Inside the UFC. He even rolled with a guy that challenged him on Myspace. |
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| bujingodai |
| Oh I know, he is also an accomplished TKD or kickbox practitioner as well. I'd like to watch him smoke Joel for non stop mentioning of length of arm. |
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| Salkicksass |
The following is the UFC 68 "The Uprising" business report:
The show drew a record-setting crowd for MMA in North America with 19,079 in attendance for a live gate of $3,014,520.
Here are the fighter pay outs reported to the Ohio State Commission. As always, they won't include the PPV or other bonuses UFC gives to its' fighters.
-Randy Couture ($250,000) def. Tim Sylvia ($100,000)
-Matt Hughes ($150,000) def. Chris Lytle ($10,000)
-Rich Franklin ($42,000) def. Jason MacDonald ($14,000)
-Jon Fitch ($28,000) def. Luigi Fioravanti ($8,000)
-Jason Lambert ($18,000) def. Renato "Babalu" Sobral ($21,000)
-Martin Kampmann ($20,000) def. Drew McFedries ($5,000)
-Matt Hamill ($10,000) def. Rex Holman ($3,000)
-Gleison Tibau ($6,000) def. Jason Dent ($3,000)
-Jamie Varner ($6,000) def. Jason Gilliam ($3,000) |
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| Deric |
I had fun and enjoyed watching the show like I do all MMA events regardless of organization, but I think anyone who would call this a "great card" could be considered a UFC Nuthugger. I mean, c'mon really. The only match I thought was PPV worthy was the main event. I know this is MMA and anyone can get KO'd by one punch or caught in a submission in a split second and lose, but the Hughes and Franklin fights were basically squash matches. The Babalu fight (which was my favorite fight of the evening) was basically supposed to be to build him back up because he can draw was supposed to be basically a squash too.
I can't comment on any of the dark matches because I didn't see them.
I don't want anyone to get mad or say I'm a UFC hater or a Pride nuthugger, but just comparing this show (and the card for next month's ufc) to the last Pride isn't even close. It seems ufc's formula lately has been basically an intriguing main event a bunch of build up matches. Much like 80's wrestling on tv. A few squash matches to build their stars to main event status, and a good main event. I am actually anticipating Diego Sanchez vs. Josh Koscheck more than any of the other matches. I mean honestly what has Matt Serra done to deserve a title match? I don't care about their stupid reality tv show |
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| Salkicksass |
| All you're admitting to is being a casual fan. It's like beating a dead horse with some of you. |
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| Deric |
maybe the two opinions in this debate have varying definitions. What I would call a "great card" would have to be from top to bottom competitive match ups where there wasn't one guy in each fight who is "supposed to win". Where basically the public would be split no more than 70/30 maximum in each fight. Again, I can't comment on the matches that weren't televised, but besides the main event everyone knew Rich Franklin and Matt Hughes were gonna win. Last month everyone knew Cro Cop, Jackson, and Silva were gonna win. Obviously all of their oppents couldn't have ended their fights in a split second like any other fight, but that doesn't make the match competitive IMO.
I know why they give the main event to a reality tv show performer because they will get more buys from the casual fan and people who know the guy from the tv show, all I'm saying is they don't deserve to be a main event. |
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| bujingodai |
True that there was no competition that say CroCop would win. Some of us like seeing the out of the world beatings.
You are looking forward to Sanchez eh, I liked him alot when he was just off of TUF no he acts like the most egotistical fuck. I can't tolerate watching him.
I just wish he was the right weight to fight Lidell, so I could see him get spanked like the bitch he has become. |
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by bujingodai
True that there was no competition that say CroCop would win. Some of us like seeing the out of the world beatings.
You are looking forward to Sanchez eh, I liked him alot when he was just off of TUF no he acts like the most egotistical fuck. I can't tolerate watching him.
I just wish he was the right weight to fight Lidell, so I could see him get spanked like the bitch he has become. |
It's no Liddell KO power, but Matt Hughes says he wants to fight Diaz next. |
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| bluegraysky |
Quote: Originally posted by Deric
maybe the two opinions in this debate have varying definitions. What I would call a "great card" would have to be from top to bottom competitive match ups where there wasn't one guy in each fight who is "supposed to win". Where basically the public would be split no more than 70/30 maximum in each fight. Again, I can't comment on the matches that weren't televised, but besides the main event everyone knew Rich Franklin and Matt Hughes were gonna win. Last month everyone knew Cro Cop, Jackson, and Silva were gonna win. Obviously all of their oppents couldn't have ended their fights in a split second like any other fight, but that doesn't make the match competitive IMO.
I know why they give the main event to a reality tv show performer because they will get more buys from the casual fan and people who know the guy from the tv show, all I'm saying is they don't deserve to be a main event. |
It's funny you say that because Pride is built on freak match ups where one fighter is typically seen as the overwhelming underdog. In Japan they respect the underdog fighter more than the winner of the fight, because he had the ballz to get in the ring with someone who obviously was the better fighter.
In reality the only competitive match ups in Pride are generally the Grand Prix shows of the same weight class.
The last US Pride show was great, but the one prior to that was the biggest pile of shit I have ever seen. What I have found is people see Pride match ups being more even due to their lack of knowledge regarding who the two fighters are. Where as in the UFC it is so highly covered anyone with Spike tv or the internet know both fighters mother's maiden name prior to the bell ringing thus resulting in an overwhelming favorite in the match.
Hell I follow MMA to the point it's damn near a sickness and I sure the fuck couldn't tell you when the last time I saw a TV show devoted to breaking down the undercard match ups in the upcoming Pride event. |
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| Salkicksass |
***UFC***
You hear it here first. At UFC 71 Tito Ortiz vs. Keith Jardine looks like will now be Tito Ortiz vs. Rashad Evans.. Dana White will announce it later this week. |
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