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| Jaeger |
As we left off last time..................
Quote: Originally posted by Jaeger
(post #282)
Pride 33 was a Rough night guys. ONE HUGE upset two smaller ones.
Year end total so far.
41-8 |
OK 41-8 YTD. at least 4 of the losses were impossible ones. UFC 68 doesn't look to be nearly as exciting as Pride 33 but never say never. I've reviewed the card and it's not near as easy as I first thought. A bunch of unproven or newer type faces, that combined with a couple guys coming back from some devistating , brutal beatings makes this a challenge for sure.
Tim Sylvia vs Randy Couture
I don't care for Tim. Really I don't. Randy's preperation is second to none and he can gameplan with the best. In the end I think Tim has too much reach for a guy like Randy. This is the worst possible match up for a man with his skill set. I'll be pulling for Randy, but in the end.......
Winner: Sylvia ( whom ever "wins" will get CroCop so I suppose it will be bitter sweet)
Rich Franklin vs Jason MacDonald
This is the textbook example of what I spoke about in the into to these picks. Franklin got destryed , embarrassed, and injured in his last fight. That can play havoc with a guys head. If MacDonald connects early will Franklins heart give out?? will he question himself??? Not sure, but I can't wait to find out. I'll be pulling for MacDonald but in the end.
Winner: Franklin
Matt Hughesvs Chris Lytle
Matt Hughes is my least favorite fighter ever. That doesn't take away the fact that he is going to put on a clinic and school Lytle. ..........What you don't agree??? next you'll be telling me you bet against Lil Nog cause you just KNEW that unknown fighter would KO him...LOL
Winner: Hughes
Jason Lambert vs Renato Sobral
In a recent interview on the UFC website.
Babalu: "Pretty much, I'm gonna kill him"
I pretty much agree.
Winner: Renato Babalu Sobral
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Drew McFedries vs Martin Kampmann
Winner: McFednes
Rex Holman vs Matt Hamill
I wanna like Hamill I'm really on the fence and despite my better judgement I'll pick...
Winner: Hamill
Jon Fitchvs Luigi Fioravanti
Winner: fitch
Gleison Tibau vs Jason Dent
Winner: Dent ( hardest pick of the event IMO)
Jason Gilliamvs Jamie Varner
Winner: Varner
-----------------------------------Hope someone enjoys this. If I had to guess I'll go 5-4 as I'm on a shitty streak and this card aint helpin..........LOL |
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| Salkicksass |
Sylvia vs. Couture
Randy has problems with taller fighters and guys with a bigger reach, but I think he trained his ass off for Tim. Sylvia will try for the early knockout and I think Randy will try to keep it tight inside. Randy will make it past the first two rounds and submit Tim in the 3rd.
Winner: Couture by submission
Hughes vs. Lytle
Lytle will try to hang in there but Hughes will not lose two in a row. Hughes is a great fighter and one of the best at his weight.
Winner: Hughes by Ref stoppage
Franklin vs. Macdonald
This will be an interesting fight to call. Macdonald is on a roll and Franklin lost a tough one to Silva. Will Franklin be ready for a tough match? We might see another quick KO like the Quarry fight. I think Franklin will be ready and on fire.
Winner: Franklin by 1st Rd. KO
Babalu vs. Lambert
Babalu rushed Chuck to many times. Babalu will be ready and poised for this fight.
Winner: Babalu by Submission
McFedries vs. Kampmann
This will be a brawl and maybe the fight of the night. Tough to call
Winner: McFedries by decision
Other winners:
Hamill
Fioravanti
Tibau
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| Jaeger |
Quote: Originally posted by Salkicksass
Sylvia vs. Couture
Randy has problems with taller fighters and guys with a bigger reach, but I think he trained his ass off for Tim. Sylvia will try for the early knockout and I think Randy will try to keep it tight inside. Randy will make it past the first two rounds and submit Tim in the 3rd.
Winner: Couture by submission
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Nothing would please me more.
( other than franklin and Hughes losing as well) |
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| bluegraysky |
Pride 33 was a great event but this event has every bit the excitement of the Pride 33 match ups the question is will they live up to the hype. I think this will be at the very least a 1b to Pride's 1a.
Tim Sylvia Vs. Randy Couture Winner Sylvia
This will be Couture's first fight since retirement, and first fight at HW in a long time. Couture has been running his mouth and Tim has said he is planning on putting on a show. Tim has put in some monster time in on his cardio, and I think he is going to put on a sick fight this go round. I know his last fight wasn't exciting but he had a perfect gameplan against a small steroid freek BJJ expert.
Chris Lytle Vs. Matt Hughes winner Hughes
This will be Matt's first fight since his loss to GSP, and I promise you Hughes will put on a show. I really like Hughes but he needed a loss to refocus his training efforts, and he did exactly that. I feel bad for Lytle.
Drew McFedries Vs. Martin Kampmann This matchup is on the PPV winner Drew
Drew is at the gym daily and freakishly strong, think Matt Hughes strong with a fantastic stand up look for Drew to get the KO in round 2. Did you guys see his weigh in pics??? Good lord he looks like a Marvel comic character.
Rich Franklin Vs. Jason MacDonald winner Franklin
Again this will be Franklin's first fight since Silva gave him facial reconstruction via his knee. I haven't seen a ex-champ get this much crap for a loss, so Franklin should be looking for blood in this fight. After saying that I think MacDonald has the best shot at an upset at UFC 68.
Jason Lambert Vs. Renato Sobral winner Sobral
This should be a technical master piece on the ground, and Renato has a ton to prove in this fight.
Rex Holman Vs. Matt Hamill winner Holman
I couldn't give a shit less about this fight
Jon Fitch Vs. Luigi Fioravanti winner Fitch
This will be a great fight. #4 vs the #5 fighters in the freaking world at their weight class.
Gleison Tibau Vs. Jason Dent winner Tibau
Great match up and the chance to be an incredible fight.
Jason Gilliam Vs. Jamie Varner winner Varner
This will be another outstanding fight top flight |
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| Jaeger |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
Pride 33 was a great event but this event has every bit the excitement of the Pride 33 match ups the question is will they live up to the hype. I think this will be at the very least a 1b to Pride's 1a.
Gleison Tibau Vs. Jason Dent winner Tibau
Great match up and the chance to be an incredible fight.
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See It's great to have you around to get me hyped up for this. Now I'm in proper mindset.
Just curious Why Tibau??? ( seems like we are on the same page everywhere else) |
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| Salkicksass |
| Nah, I like Hughes and Franklin.. |
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| bluegraysky |
Quote: Originally posted by Jaeger
See It's great to have you around to get me hyped up for this. Now I'm in proper mindset.
Just curious Why Tibau??? ( seems like we are on the same page everywhere else) |
1. Dent's last 4 wins are all by submissions and there is simply no way he beats Tibau on the ground who is a world class jiu jitsu practitioner.
2. Dent only has 1 fight on the big stage and it was a loss to Huerta
3. His specialty is Muay Thai but his wrestling back ground seems to take over when he gets in a brawl
My ranking for
fights of the night
#1 Jon Fitch Vs. Luigi Fioravanti (If you guys don't know these two I prey we get to see this fight)
#2 Randy vs Tim (Tim will put on a show I promise you)
#3 Jason Gilliam Vs. Jamie Varner (Agains I prey we get this fight which should be unreal)
#4 Rich Franklin Vs. Jason MacDonald (has the potential to be the Hendo vs Wandy)
#5 Drew vs Kampman (Again great KO but not competitive)
#6 Chris Lytle Vs. Matt Hughes (this will be exciting just not competitive)
#7 Jason Lambert Vs. Renato Sobral (if you appreciate jiu jitsu this will be incredible) |
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| FTEnelson |
Quote: Originally posted by Jaeger
Nothing would please me more.
( other than franklin and Hughes losing as well) |
id love to see randy win, and i think he can pull it off i dont think tim has ever fought a wrestler like randy and tim if you stay close dosent have the knockout power that he would if he had half his reach
but im not gunna lie id love to see a sylvia vs. cro cop jsut becasue i think tim would be a bloddied up ball of shit :) just saying |
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| FTEnelson |
hey jagear good to see you man
your doing a hell of a job with the crew at the brn props man props
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| Salkicksass |
| This will be a great PPV. I can't wait |
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| bluegraysky |
This could be the start of many great UFC PPV's as the recent talent upgrade UFC has made become apparent.
By the way you all heard about Arlovski vs Werdum at the next one right?? |
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
This could be the start of many great UFC PPV's as the recent talent upgrade UFC has made become apparent.
By the way you all heard about Arlovski vs Werdum at the next one right?? |
Yeah, Arlovski needs another win. It will be a great fight and when Andre gets the win, he'll be back in the title race.
I really think Randy will beat Sylvia.. Man I hope he does. Problem is he will lose bad to Mirko. |
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| Salkicksass |
| The England card looks like it will be one for the ages.. |
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| bluegraysky |
This may sound crazy but I think Tim beats Randy without much problem, but I think Randy has a much better chance of beating Cro Cop.
Did you hear Cro Cop's recent comments about how challenging fighting in the cage was? Those comments lead me to believe that a fighter like Randy/Tito could really cause problems for Cro Cop. |
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| FTEnelson |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
This may sound crazy but I think Tim beats Randy without much problem, but I think Randy has a much better chance of beating Cro Cop.
Did you hear Cro Cop's recent comments about how challenging fighting in the cage was? Those comments lead me to believe that a fighter like Randy/Tito could really cause problems for Cro Cop. |
hes saying that becasue of how diffrent the rules are then pride
its a huge change for him
he used to love being able to soccer kick a guy in the head when hes on the matt |
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| Jaeger |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
This may sound crazy but I think Tim beats Randy without much problem, but I think Randy has a much better chance of beating Cro Cop.
Did you hear Cro Cop's recent comments about how challenging fighting in the cage was? Those comments lead me to believe that a fighter like Randy/Tito could really cause problems for Cro Cop. |
I was thinking similar, I didn't put tito in the mix. I think he'll be fine however.
People still don't understand what a big part matchups play in this game. |
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| bujingodai |
I got to say that I am only concerned with 3 fights in this card. Maybe 4
Hamil will win his.
I hate to think Randy is going to lose this one, but because I dislike Tim so much he will win.
Macdonald is a Canuck so I am pulling for him, though if Franklin takes him I will be happy
Hughes will kill Lytle though Matt is a jerk at times and Lytle has always been a class act, so it would be a great win if he did.
I am more looking forward to when my other Canuck St Pierre evicerates Serra in the next PPV |
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
This may sound crazy but I think Tim beats Randy without much problem, but I think Randy has a much better chance of beating Cro Cop.
Did you hear Cro Cop's recent comments about how challenging fighting in the cage was? Those comments lead me to believe that a fighter like Randy/Tito could really cause problems for Cro Cop. |
I hope you're wrong about Tim. I can actually see Tim just crushing Randy, but something tells me it's going to go the way Randy wants.
I'm sure it will take a couple of fights for Cro Cop to get used to the octagon. If the rumors are true about the UFC and Pride merging, I wonder how the Pride guys would do in the U.S. and in the octagon. Different rules, and the Pride guys don't seem comfortable with the U.S. rules.. |
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| Jaeger |
Quote: Originally posted by Salkicksass
I'm sure it will take a couple of fights for Cro Cop to get used to the octagon. If the rumors are true about the UFC and Pride merging, I wonder how the Pride guys would do in the U.S. and in the octagon. Different rules, and the Pride guys don't seem comfortable with the U.S. rules.. |
The whole rules issue is an interesting one. i view it like languages. UFC is Spanish Pride Italian. Very similar in alot of respects but entirely different as well. How would the UFC guys do in Japan?? with no elbows?? That alone would cripple many. However it all pans out it's sure to be interesting.
I'll be honest I've been looking forward to UFC 69 and have been ignoring this card because short of Babalu I'm not a huge fan of any of these guys styles.
But you've all got me pumped up and ready for this one....................
LETS GET IT ON!!! |
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| bluegraysky |
Anything can happen in mma plain and simple.
That said Tim has said multiple times that he is tired of all the shit he takes from the media, and he feels this is his chance to shut up the haters. From what I have seen in the gym Tim seems to be putting in a sick amount of time getting ready for this fight. |
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| FTEnelson |
Quote: Originally posted by Jaeger
The whole rules issue is an interesting one. i view it like languages. UFC is Spanish Pride Italian. Very similar in alot of respects but entirely different as well. How would the UFC guys do in Japan?? with no elbows?? That alone would cripple many. However it all pans out it's sure to be interesting.
I'll be honest I've been looking forward to UFC 69 and have been ignoring this card because short of Babalu I'm not a huge fan of any of these guys styles.
But you've all got me pumped up and ready for this one....................
LETS GET IT ON!!! |
same here brother ive been looking forward to this fight since it was announced |
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
Anything can happen in mma plain and simple.
That said Tim has said multiple times that he is tired of all the shit he takes from the media, and he feels this is his chance to shut up the haters. From what I have seen in the gym Tim seems to be putting in a sick amount of time getting ready for this fight. |
When they booed Tim at the weigh-in, he just shook his head. I really think he wants the fans to like him. That might get into his head tomorrow if Randy makes it past the 1st Rd.
Only problem is people still might not give him any respect because Randy had retired. He's not a bad guy, but people just don't seem to like him. |
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| bluegraysky |
Did you see Drew McFedries at the weigh ins??
Holy crap that kid is a giant 185lber |
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
Did you see Drew McFedries at the weigh ins??
Holy crap that kid is a giant 185lber |
He looked pissed too, that's gonna be a brawl.. |
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| bluegraysky |
Jaeger I think Drew will be the first Miletich fighter you like.
He is a stand up Brawler with retard strength almost a Wandy type fighter |
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by Jaeger
The whole rules issue is an interesting one. i view it like languages. UFC is Spanish Pride Italian. Very similar in alot of respects but entirely different as well. How would the UFC guys do in Japan?? with no elbows?? That alone would cripple many. However it all pans out it's sure to be interesting.
I'll be honest I've been looking forward to UFC 69 and have been ignoring this card because short of Babalu I'm not a huge fan of any of these guys styles.
But you've all got me pumped up and ready for this one....................
LETS GET IT ON!!! |
I think UFC fighters would transition better in Pride. There are only a handful of guys that live on the elbow strike. Most fighters even though they throw them, it's not always used. I think the rules should be the same across the board for everyone. Actually I think fighting in a ring would screw UFC fighters up cause the octagon is a tool when being on the ground.
I personally like the octagon style ring better then the traditional squared roped ring. If Pride didn't have financial trouble I would like to see both work together for cross promotion fights. But nobody knows what's gonna happen with all the rumors flying. |
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| Mark4Bubba |
Gotta weigh in on this one. I was really impressed with my 1st Pride event last week and I'm excited to contrast it against the UFC in such a short time period. Man, I really wish the UFC would take note on the no dark match jones concept. There are some great fights on the undercard.
I'm a huge Randy Couture mark. Anyone not named Chuck and I like Randy's chances. I'm going to be interested to see Tim's sprawl against Randy, I think Munson may have been the perfect tuneup fight for Sylvia. My head tells me Tim, my gut tells me Couture.
When in doubt, mark out. Give me Couture.
Did GSP expose a hole in Matt's game or did Matt learn to stick to his strengths?
Matt "Fuckin" Hughes in a relatively easy one.
I'll take McFedries over Kampmann. This one could be interesting and could be quick going either way.
The beat down Franklin took in his last fight is probably the worst I've seen and McDonald has refused to be the jobber for guys Dana wants to put over. Franklin is damaged goods in my eyes until I see otherwise.
McDonald is going to jump on Rich quick and test him early. I'm taking "The Athlete".
I think my comments about Randy could apply to Babalu as well. Anyone not named Chuck and I like Babalu's chances.
Babalu in impressive fashion.
Hamill is facing someone that can match his grappling skills and I think he's looked totally green in all other aspects. I think Holman takes this one.
Fitch vs Fioravanti is a great matchup and should be on the television card. I really like what I've seen from Fitch to date and against quality. I'm taking Fitch until I see otherwise.
Tibau over Dent
Varner over Gilliam. I was at UFC 62 and Varner had Hermes Franca beat until getting caught late in the 3rd. |
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| Jaeger |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
That said Tim has said multiple times that he is tired of all the shit he takes from the media, and he feels this is his chance to shut up the haters. From what I have seen in the gym Tim seems to be putting in a sick amount of time getting ready for this fight. |
Good on him, and If he doesn't look Slow and lathargic while ( what will apear as ) stalling his way to victory. He might have a good first step. Beating a 43 year old universally loved fighter like Randy Couture isn't exactly going to make you a "Fan or Media" favorite overnight.
Now that I think about it, he should just OWN it. Be the "bad guy". He's right when he says most don't like him. Not to equate this to pro wrestling but his matches are boring by any standard and he is shitty on the stick. Every match it's the same story with him. " I've been working on my cardio, gonna put on a show, knock out, blah blah blah" All come true except the show part.
To the untrained eye who is used to what Couture, hughes, franklin, ortiz, liddell, AA, JMac, In fact anyone except Tim looks like. He looks like he could use WAY more cardio work if you know what I'm saying. And I'm sure the kid is in TREMENDOUS shape. Looking soft plus a slow and boring fight* combined with a personality that comes across as shitty as his does. It's no wonder.
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"Slow and Boring, is not to say they were not handeled in the correct way to insure victory |
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| Jaeger |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
Jaeger I think Drew will be the first Miletich fighter you like.
He is a stand up Brawler with retard strength almost a Wandy type fighter |
Sweet Jesus Bluegraysky, you didn't just give this kid the kiss of death did you?? I picked him.
:):):)
Oh and Pat Miletich is the first Miletich fighter I liked. |
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| Jaeger |
Quote: Originally posted by Salkicksass
Actually I think fighting in a ring would screw UFC fighters up cause the octagon is a tool when being on the ground.
I personally like the octagon style ring better then the traditional squared roped ring. |
I prefer the traditional ring and the rules used in Pride, But I'd like to see them just simply use the rules of the host venue. I don't dislike the octagon just prefer a ring. I do not care for elbow strikes, but that's a long sorted discusion best suited for a different thread. |
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| Salkicksass |
| Fight Day.. Man i'm STOKED!!!! |
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by Jaeger
Good on him, and If he doesn't look Slow and lathargic while ( what will apear as ) stalling his way to victory. He might have a good first step. Beating a 43 year old universally loved fighter like Randy Couture isn't exactly going to make you a "Fan or Media" favorite overnight.
Now that I think about it, he should just OWN it. Be the "bad guy". He's right when he says most don't like him. Not to equate this to pro wrestling but his matches are boring by any standard and he is shitty on the stick. Every match it's the same story with him. " I've been working on my cardio, gonna put on a show, knock out, blah blah blah" All come true except the show part.
To the untrained eye who is used to what Couture, hughes, franklin, ortiz, liddell, AA, JMac, In fact anyone except Tim looks like. He looks like he could use WAY more cardio work if you know what I'm saying. And I'm sure the kid is in TREMENDOUS shape. Looking soft plus a slow and boring fight* combined with a personality that comes across as shitty as his does. It's no wonder.
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Yeah, Sylvia has such a wierd body. They say he works on cardio but he's always flabby and goofy looking. You would think cardio and hitting the weights would tighten up his body, especially with the way they train in Iowa. I don't like him as a fighter and I think he tarnishes the UFC HW title in the eyes of world wide fans. Dana White stacked up the other weight classes and is now working on HW. Cro Cop was the best move, will Fedor be next? |
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| bluegraysky |
I can tell you he does work on his cardio some people just don't have the prototypical mma fighter body type.
Tim works out just as hard as Hughes in the gym. |
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| oug13 |
| I will post pictures later tonight or Sunday..from the Bash!!!!!! |
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
I can tell you he does work on his cardio some people just don't have the prototypical mma fighter body type.
Tim works out just as hard as Hughes in the gym. |
I don't doubt that, I know they all work extremely hard in Iowa. With as hard as he works it's just weird to see how he looks. I don't know, I'm just wierd..lol
I think the same thing at the gym with some of the guys I see. |
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| bluegraysky |
Do you guys realize only 5 of Tim's 25 fight have gone to decision?
The rest have been Ko,TKO,Submissions and the guy gets labeled as boring? I think it has more to do with the last Monson and ARlovski fights.
Lets be real about those fights though
1. it was the 3 Arlovski fight so both fighters knew each other VERY well which is going to lead to a boring fight
2. Monson is 5'2 and weight 250lb of solid muscle, and his strength is jiu jitsu. What would you do if your a professional fighter with an 11 inch advantage on one of the best BJJ artist in the world?
Most of Tim's fights including the 2 previous Arlovski fights were awesome fights, how bout his fight with Cabbage?
I think the haters have jumped on the boring tag with little justification |
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
Do you guys realize only 5 of Tim's 25 fight have gone to decision?
The rest have been Ko,TKO,Submissions and the guy gets labeled as boring? I think it has more to do with the last Monson and ARlovski fights.
Lets be real about those fights though
1. it was the 3 Arlovski fight so both fighters knew each other VERY well which is going to lead to a boring fight
2. Monson is 5'2 and weight 250lb of solid muscle, and his strength is jiu jitsu. What would you do if your a professional fighter with an 11 inch advantage on one of the best BJJ artist in the world?
Most of Tim's fights including the 2 previous Arlovski fights were awesome fights, how bout his fight with Cabbage?
I think the haters have jumped on the boring tag with little justification |
Great points. I love Arlovski which makes me a little biased. |
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| Jaeger |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
I can tell you he does work on his cardio some people just don't have the prototypical mma fighter body type.
Tim works out just as hard as Hughes in the gym. |
I have absolutly NO DOUBT about that. But it is what it is. To most folks it doesn't look that way. ( It doesn't help him that he stands in the ring with guys who look the part) Other than Fedor who isn't off the cover of a Muscle Mag most of these guys just look more impressive. and Things have been kinda pushed in that direction to the GP. Combined with a couple of really REALLY slow and uneventful fights in succession and him coming off like he does....... I can't see the publics perception of him changing. |
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| Jaeger |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
I think the haters have jumped on the boring tag with little justification |
I can't disagree with any of it.
But his persona just not likable either. He may be the nicest guy on earth in person, but the TV is not kind to Big Tim. Perhaps someone in the editing dept has a axe to grind with him. Even less colorful guys like your Miletich fighters can come off as Down to earth nice guys. Tim just doesn't come off that way.
Who's booing him??? The same people who will cheer for Matt Sera? Or guys who believe Chris Leban is on his way to the top??
Tim needs to just own it. Be the big bad ass. you don't like my fight FUCK YOU. At least with that he'd sell some PPV's. |
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| bluegraysky |
Win Jeff Monson Decision
Win Andrei Arlovski Decision
Win Andrei Arlovski KO (Punch) round 1, 2:43
Win Assuerio Silva Decision
Win Tra Telligman KO (Kick) round 1, 4:59
Win Mike Block TKO round 1, 1:26
Loss Andrei Arlovski Submission (Achilles Lock) round 1, 0:47
Win Wes Sims TKO (Punches) round 1, 1:32
Loss Frank Mir Technical Submission (Armbar) round 1, 0:50
Win Gan McGee TKO (Punches) round 1, 1:54
Win Ricco Rodriguez TKO (Strikes) round 1, 3:09
Win Wesley Correira TKO round 2, 1:43
Win Jeff Gerlick TKO round 1, 3:17
Win Mike Whitehead TKO round 1, 2:38
Win Jason Lambert TKO round 2, 4:13
Win Boyd Ballard KO (Knee) round 1, 3:21
Win Mike Whitehead TKO round 1, 3:46
Win Matt Fremmbling Decision 2 5:00
Win Gino De La Cruz TKO round 1, 0:43
Win Ernest Henderson TKO round 1, 0:36
Win Greg Wikan Submission (Choke) round 3 2:20
Win Ben Rothwell Decision 3 5:00
Win Greg Wikan TKO round 1 5:00
Win Gabe Beauperthy Submission round 2 4:16
Win Randy Durant TKO round 1 2:05
16 of his 25 fights have ended in the first round!
4 of his 25 have ended in the 2nd round
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| Jaeger |
How are you feeling about Rich??? I kinda hope he takes a stiff punch to the face early. See if he has recovered. I like Macdonald and will be pulling for him, but if Franklin wins ( which I think he will) I'll be cool with that.
I just think Rich fell victim to his own hype and Match up that wasn't good for him. I wouldn't see a second fight with Anderson ending any different. |
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| bluegraysky |
To be honest I'm not sure Franklin isn't the product of a very weak division that allowed him to excell without the tools really needed in a competitive division.
Who has Franklin beat?
David Loiseau
Evan Tanner
Ken Shamrock
Nathan Quarry
So the Crow is probably the best fighter out of that list of a Drunk, Past his prime chump, and an at best C level fighter.
The 2 guys that have beat him are Silva and Ryoto Machida the only guys with a legit MMA background.
The more I look at the fight the more I think MacDonald could pull off the upset, but MacDonald is also very new to the sport with his biggest win coming against Leben. Macdonald will be the biggest 185lb fighter that Franklin has fought, but in the end I think MacDonald is just too Green in the MMA game to be considered anything more than a long shot. |
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| bujingodai |
Maybe Tim is not that boring but yes in recent memory one can't think of too many exciting fights that he has not won just due to his length advantage.
I for one would love to see Fedor come from Pride and eat the UFC like a shitty chinese buffet.
Though really UFC is alot more entertaining. Much like comparing CFL and NFL, just my opinion. |
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| Jaeger |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
To be honest I'm not sure Franklin isn't the product of a very weak division that allowed him to excell without the tools really needed in a competitive division.
Who has Franklin beat?
David Loiseau
Evan Tanner
Ken Shamrock
Nathan Quarry
So the Crow is probably the best fighter out of that list of a Drunk, Past his prime chump, and an at best C level fighter.
The 2 guys that have beat him are Silva and Ryoto Machida the only guys with a legit MMA background.
The more I look at the fight the more I think MacDonald could pull off the upset, but MacDonald is also very new to the sport with his biggest win coming against Leben. Macdonald will be the biggest 185lb fighter that Franklin has fought, but in the end I think MacDonald is just too Green in the MMA game to be considered anything more than a long shot. |
man you are scaring me, after last weekend when we couldn't seem to see anything the same way to this week when we seem in simpatico with our views. I'm glad we are getting a nice little group of fans here. While we don't have to agree, we can at least have a dialouge that doesn't breakdown to name calling and stupidity.
Yeah Rich and the UFC have a funny relationship thats for sure. Shitty contract, super hype. Dana still pretending like the silva fight wasnt' just a HORRIBLE style match up. I fear if Macdonald is successful in an upset of Franklin tonight, Dana won't know what to do with Rich. |
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| bluegraysky |
What is everyone's pick for fight of the night and WHY?
Jon Fitch vs Luigi Fioravanti = this matches up the #5 and #6 WW in the world depending on what publication you believe. This match up is outstanding in regards to the talent, size, technique and I only fear the UFC won't show the damn fight
Drew McFedries vs Martin Kampmann = This fight will end in a KO it's almost a fact. Drew took his last UFC fight on 2 weeks notice and fought at 205lb when he is a 185lber and ended up crushing his opponent! This guy has a bright future in whatever org he ends up signing a long term contract with.
Chris Lytle Vs. Matt Hughes = Hughes is not happy about losing his belt, and even less happy about the press already forgetting his dominance at WW. Hughes had thoughts about jumping to 185lb to take out Silva(which he would), but decided to get the rematch with GSP. Why is that relevant? He is bigger than he has been before in his effort to get up to 185lb, and I think he really believes he has something to prove.
Honorable mention would be the
Jason Gilliam Vs. Jamie Varner
or
Babalu vs Lambert
Guys the more I start breaking this card down the more I think this will be an incredible event |
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
Jon Fitch vs Luigi Fioravanti = this matches up the #5 and #6 WW in the world depending on what publication you believe. This match up is outstanding in regards to the talent, size, technique and I only fear the UFC won't show the damn fight
Drew McFedries vs Martin Kampmann = This fight will end in a KO it's almost a fact. Drew took his last UFC fight on 2 weeks notice and fought at 205lb when he is a 185lber and got the stoppage!
Chris Lytle Vs. Matt Hughes = Hughes is not happy about losing his belt, and even less happy about the press already forgetting his dominance at WW. Hughes had thoughts about jumping to 185lb to take out Silva(which he would), but decided to get the rematch with GSP. Why is that relevant? He is bigger than he has been before in his effort to get up to 185lb, and I think he really believes he has something to prove.
Honorable mention would be the
Jason Gilliam Vs. Jamie Varner
or
Babalu vs Lambert
Guys the more I start breaking this card down the more I think this will be an incredible event |
I think you are right about the card. Not to many people will know the names but there are some great match ups. I wish we could see all the fights tonight. |
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| Mark4Bubba |
Yep, this one has several compelling fights. I love it when you can make a case for either fighter or questions remain unanswered about a fighter and their opponent will help answer those questions.
That is why I'm really jacked for the Franklin/McDonald fight and the Sylvia/Couture fight.
I think the upsets toward the end of the year in the UFC really opened things up for an amazing 2007. Throw in an infusion of additional talent and the sky is the limit. |
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| bluegraysky |
Quote: Originally posted by Salkicksass
I think you are right about the card. Not to many people will know the names but there are some great match ups. I wish we could see all the fights tonight. |
I may be able to help with this, but I'm still working on it. |
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
I may be able to help with this, but I'm still working on it. |
That would be awesome. I already purchased the PPV and my cousins will be coming by later to watch the fights. 7 hours and counting :box: |
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| bujingodai |
| I have already got it set up, the whole dojo is coming over tonite. Whoot. |
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| bluegraysky |
What is everyone's style preference?
I'm from Iowa home of the greatest fight camp in the world screw chute box ;)
Jiu Jitsu is on the top of my list as a technical art, but for winning fights you can't beat GnP, Western Boxing, and some type of submission wrestling (jiu jitsu/sambo)
What's everyone else into?
Please let someone say Taekwondo |
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| JoeyArkenstat |
| anyone with a free stream? i am looking and if i find one i will drop it in here. |
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| bujingodai |
I study traditional martial arts, so I am have little experience with the camps.
I have been impressed with Militech camp and Russian Top Team. |
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| artiefan712 |
| Anyone know where that list of places to watch the fights tonite? Hooters isnt having it here in St. Louis and i really would like to find it..... |
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| Jaeger |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
What is everyone's style preference?
I'm from Iowa home of the greatest fight camp in the world screw chute box ;)
Jiu Jitsu is on the top of my list as a technical art, but for winning fights you can't beat GnP, Western Boxing, and some type of submission wrestling (jiu jitsu/sambo)
What's everyone else into?
Please let someone say Taekwondo |
Well I'm NOT from Iowa, not a huge fan of MFS ( surprise, surprise) I prefer the Chute Boxe fighters, Like bluegray love good Jiu Jitsu, also Thai boxing. I think GnP is only an advantage under NSAC rules and many mediocre fighters have appeared world class due to fighting here almost exclusivly. That is not to say their isn't world class GnP fighters, just NASC distorts reality.
LOL Taekwondo that was good.......... it's Akidio bro, Akidio is the key to MMA success. |
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
Please let someone say Taekwondo |
LMAO
I'm a 2nd Dan in Kenpo and a Purple Belt in BJJ. I think having more then one style is essential in today's world. Like I used to tell my students, "No matter how much you think you know, someone always know's more." |
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| coreyconway |
| Did anyone hear Bubba just say he doesn't care about Pride and could care less about them. but he says on the show daily that he's getting into mma. when the truth is he's a ufc fan and not a fan of mma. plain and simple! |
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by coreyconway
Did anyone hear Bubba just say he doesn't care about Pride and could care less about them. but he says on the show that's he getting into mma. when the truth is he's ufc fan and not a fan of mma. plain and simple! |
He's getting caught up in the moment, IMO |
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| JCis4U |
Hey guys,
just a quick note to make my picks for tonight.
Couture over Silvia
Huhges over Litle
McFedries over Kampmann
Burger King over McDonalds ....... I mean Franklin over McDonald
Sobral over Lambert (just a guess, I don't know these guys)
Holman over Hamill
Fitch over Fioravanti
Tibau over Dent
Oh yaeh!
Gilliam over Varner |
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| Salkicksass |
| LMAO @ Burger King over McDonalds |
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| Salkicksass |
| Eddie Sanchez is a piece of crap.. Are you guys listening to this prick. Says his girl hits harder then Mirko kicks, WTF. He's talking hella shit.. What a loser, I can't stand fighters that have no respect. |
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| Swish |
Quote: Originally posted by Salkicksass
Eddie Sanchez is a piece of crap.. Are you guys listening to this prick. Says his girl hits harder then Mirko kicks, WTF. He's talking hella shit.. What a loser, I can't stand fighters that have no respect. |
Nick diaz would own all three of them.......at the same time, bitch. |
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| Jaeger |
Quote: Originally posted by Swish
Nick diaz would own all three of them.......at the same time, bitch. |
All three of who?? Sanchez, his girlfriend and Ferrall??? |
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| Stew |
Quote: Originally posted by coreyconway
Did anyone hear Bubba just say he doesn't care about Pride and could care less about them. but he says on the show daily that he's getting into mma. when the truth is he's a ufc fan and not a fan of mma. plain and simple! |
He is at the UFC show and he is broadcasting live from the April 7 show....what do you expect him to say.....? |
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| Swish |
Quote: Originally posted by Jaeger
All three of who?? Sanchez, his girlfriend and Ferrall??? |
Mirko, but fuck it, add ferrall. Nick wouldn't have any problems. :o |
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by Swish
Nick diaz would own all three of them.......at the same time, bitch. |
Who's Nick Diaz?? |
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| Jaeger |
Quote: Originally posted by Swish
Mirko, but fuck it, add ferrall. Nick wouldn't have any problems. :o |
I was happy for your boy but don't get crazy. :D |
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| bluegraysky |
| Yeah Diaz is the man unless he is fighting a TUF guy LOL |
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
Yeah Diaz is the man unless he is fighting a TUF guy LOL |
Or any A level fighter in the UFC |
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| artiefan712 |
Quote: Originally posted by artiefan712
Anyone know where that list of places to watch the fights tonite? Hooters isnt having it here in St. Louis and i really would like to find it..... |
A time when we need the Hand around again, he always knew where the list was.....fuck now i will have to try and watch late online so try to hook up the links :) |
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| Jaeger |
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=Eve...rtsBars&eid=400
Here's the list.
MO Kansas City Ameristar Casino @ Kansas City 800 499-4961
MO St. Charles Ameristar Casino @ St. Charles 800 325-7777
MO Kansas City Brooksider Bar & Grill 816 363-4070
MO Ballwin Buffalo Wild Wings @ Ballwin 636 207-9464
MO Cape Girardeau Buffalo Wild Wings @ Cape Girardeau 573 334-9464
MO Creve Coeur Buffalo Wild Wings @ Creve Coeur 314-579-9464
MO Fenton Buffalo Wild Wings @ Fenton 636 326-5000
MO Independence Buffalo Wild Wings @ Independence 816 795-6200
MO Joplin Buffalo Wild Wings @ Joplin 417 206-9464
MO Lees Summit Buffalo Wild Wings @ Lees Summit 816 246 9453
MO OFallon Buffalo Wild Wings @ OFallon 636 379 3994
MO Raytown Buffalo Wild Wings @ Raytown 816 313-2999
MO Sikeston Buffalo Wild Wings @ Sikeston 573 481-2999
MO Springfield Buffalo Wild Wings @ Springfield 417 881-9464
MO Springfield Buffalo Wild Wings @ Springfield 417 865-2999
MO St Charles Buffalo Wild Wings @ St Charles 636-916-5353
MO St Louis Buffalo Wild Wings @ St Louis 314 845 7878
MO Ft. Leonardwood Fort Leonardwood 573 596 0163
MO Independence Fox & Hounds @ Independence 816 795-5744
MO Springfield Fox & Hounds @ Springfield 417 890-6289
MO Chesterfield Fox & Hounds @ St. Louis 636 536-0802
MO Columbia Hooters @ Columbia, MO 579 886-4700
MO Independence Hooters @ Independence (MO) 816 478-8832
MO St Louis Hooters @ Maryland Heights 314 991 9565
MO N. Kansas City Hooters @ N. Kansas City 816 584 8900
MO St Louis Hooters @ South County 314 845 1899
MO Springfield Hooters @ Springfield 417 887 9464
MO St. Peters Hooters @ St. Peters 636 447-5559
MO St. Louis Kriegers @ Big Bend 636 861-1618
MO Liberty Landing Eatery & Pub 816 792-5230
MO Fenton Leftys Grill & Bar 636 343 4533
MO Whiteman AFB Missions End 660 687-4422
MO St Robert Rockin R 573 336 4244
MO Columbia Show Mes @ Columbia 573 442-4840
MO Blue Springs Side Pockets @ Blue Springs 816 224-5454
MO Kansas City Side Pockets @ Englewood 816 455 9900
MO Lees Summitt Side Pockets @ Oldham Pkwy 816 524-2400
MO Independence Side Pockets @ S. Noland 816 350 9000
MO St. Charles Side Pockets @ St. Charles 636 724-9300
MO Columbia Sky Hi Bar & Grill 573 442 8080
MO St. Louis St. Louis Sports Bar & Grill 314 961-3366 |
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| oug13 |
Hay just got from home from the Ferrall Bash.... it was great time!
Bubba & Ferrall sitting next to each other doing the show was kickass!
Plus Heather was there, must say she's one nice lady!
I took some pictures with Ferrall, Bubba & Heather.
CampWelmet, Norton & TwisteD10 ...should be posting them later tonight or Sunday....
All the fighters that stop by hung and were also very cool........ |
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| Salkicksass |
| When do the pre-fights start?? |
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| Salkicksass |
Hmmmmmmmm :scratch: |
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| bluegraysky |
Did you guys hear that Wanderlei Silva and Frank Trigg are in Ohio?
And now they are saying the US Pride event is not gonna happen? |
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| Salkicksass |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
Did you guys hear that Wanderlei Silva and Frank Trigg are in Ohio?
And now they are saying the US Pride event is not gonna happen? |
Something is going on. Dana White was going off on that guy from Pride saying he will be out of a job on the Ferrell show. He was pissed how Pride screwed the big Silva vs. Liddell fight.. |
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| Stew |
Quote: Originally posted by bluegraysky
Did you guys hear that Wanderlei Silva and Frank Trigg are in Ohio?
And now they are saying the US Pride event is not gonna happen? |
Trigg said he was going to be there on Bubba's show Friday....and
Wanderlai is probably looking for a job... :) |
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| JCis4U |
Quote: Originally posted by Salkicksass
Something is going on. Dana White was going off on that guy from Pride saying he will be out of a job on the Ferrell show. He was pissed how Pride screwed the big Silva vs. Liddell fight.. |
I only caught a piece of the interview with Dana White. I couldn't find any info on the Pride website. Anyone know what's up? |
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| Jaeger |
Quote: Originally posted by Salkicksass
Something is going on. Dana White was going off on that guy from Pride saying he will be out of a job on the Ferrell show. He was pissed how Pride screwed the big Silva vs. Liddell fight.. |
sniff sniff It smells of Ed Fishman around here. I give up, maybe Zuffa got a deal done and Fishman is being a bitch about it. In any case I don't wanna get started in that shit. I wanna try and enjoy the show tonight. |
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| Jaeger |
| about 15minutes to go. so far so good tonight. |
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| KC CULTIVATION |
| Let's Get It On! |
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| JeremyPGH |
Quote: Originally posted by Jaeger
about 15minutes to go. so far so good tonight. |
Can you please pass along a message to Bubba on monday that he did a great job on the Farrell show.
Thanks. Keep up the good work.. |
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| Stew |
Quote: Originally posted by KC CULTIVATION
Let's Get It On! |
what up neighbor.... :hw: |
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| oug13 |
| I'm pumped after being there all day long! |
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| Stew |
Quote: Originally posted by oug13
I'm pumped after being there all day long! |
did you see any fighters? |
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| oug13 |
Quote: Originally posted by Stew
did you see any fighters? |
Only the ones, that stop bye and talked to Ferrall..none that are fighting tonight
It was just crazy energy all day long |
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| teeroy |
| evening MMA marks, ready for the show to start.......:hw: |
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| teeroy |
Quote: Originally posted by oug13
Only the ones, that stop bye and talked to Ferrall..none that are fighting tonight
It was just crazy energy all day long |
listened to some of it on the radio today, sounded like a killer time man, I'm jealous bro....... :D |
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| oug13 |
Quote: Originally posted by teeroy
listened to some of it on the radio today, sounded like a killer time man, I'm jealous bro....... :D |
any chance you here about the blunt? guess who gave it to him ;)
teeroy it was a blast! |
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| teeroy |
Quote: Originally posted by oug13
any chance you here about blunt? guess who gave it to him ;)
teeroy it was a blast! |
right off the bat he was talkin' about a huge blunt someone gave him....that one? I would expect no less from you brother......:tu: |
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| oug13 |
Quote: Originally posted by teeroy
right off the bat he was talkin' about a huge blunt someone gave him....that one? I would expect no less from you brother......:tu: |
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| Stew |
Quote: Originally posted by Jaeger
c'mon Babalu!! |
lets get this party started..... |
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| wickedhahn |
| Babalu is going to win late 1st early 2nd rd. |
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| JCis4U |
| Big arena, looks a little like Japan. |
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| Jaeger |
| yeah a little, except for the booo's 26 seconds in. |
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| Jaeger |
| They really need to have 4 huge screen TV's above the octogon, this booing shit is an embarassment to US MMA fans. |
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