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| FUGLY2 |
Quote: Originally posted by windbag
Get off your buddy NUGE's cock. |
Once again I pose a challenge to the Yankee obssessed Red Sox 'fans' and it is met with the usual gay deflecting. Thanks for pussying out again you fucking Cliche |
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| dave24s |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllMedia
And after a long offseason of wheeling and dealing, that's the BEST Cashman could come up with to be his #1 starter. King George must be rolling over in his grave. :funny:
How ironic is it that the Red Sox #4 starter is greater than the Yankees #1. :D |
God you assholes are stupid.
Pavano is not the #1 starter. By virtue of injury and schedule, Pavano is the opening day starter. If not for the hammy, Wang would have opened the season, thus he is the #1 starter.
You'll come at me and say, "Well, he's pitching first, so he's number 1! LOL!!11!!"
Faggot. |
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| dave24s |
| And someone has yet to explain to me how the Red Sox pitching, bullpen included, is better than the Yankees. |
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| RIP_DB |
Quote: Originally posted by dave24s
God you assholes are stupid.
Pavano is not the #1 starter. By virtue of injury and schedule, Pavano is the opening day starter. If not for the hammy, Wang would have opened the season, thus he is the #1 starter.
You'll come at me and say, "Well, he's pitching first, so he's number 1! LOL!!11!!"
Faggot. |
The key word is "IF".Your starter hasn't pitched since 2005!!And at that time had an ERA of 4.77!!!YOUR PITCHING SUCKS!!None of you assholes can deal with that. |
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| dave24s |
Quote: Originally posted by RIP_DB
The key word is "IF".Your starter hasn't pitched since 2005!!And at that time had an ERA of 4.77!!!YOUR PITCHING SUCKS!!None of you assholes can deal with that. |
Again "Mr. I heard someone say something so I think it's a fact and sound like a fucking asshole spouting it off", please explain to me how the Red Sox pitching, bullpen included is better than the Yankees. |
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| Apoc13 |
Quote: Originally posted by dave24s
And someone has yet to explain to me how the Red Sox pitching, bullpen included, is better than the Yankees. |
just let me say, as a sox fan, that i wouldn't trade pitching staffs with the yankees |
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| dave24s |
Quote: Originally posted by Apoc13
just let me say, as a sox fan, that i wouldn't trade pitching staffs with the yankees |
Right, that's not answering my question.
None of you fucks can answer the question.
Why? |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by yambag
My point is the 2007 season is starting
and the Yanks # 1 starter is a guy that hasn't pitched in 5 years and if he was on the Sox all you Fuckheads NUGE67,Fug would be saying he sucks..............................Just sayyyyyyin. :hw: |
At the time he was one of the best free agent pitchers available, I will say this, he will win more games this year the D Mat, if he stays healthy.. |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by Apoc13
just let me say, as a sox fan, that i wouldn't trade pitching staffs with the yankees |
You bet your wife's pussy lips that you would trade your bull pen and closer for the Yankees bull pen and closer, TRUE? |
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| Apoc13 |
Quote: Originally posted by dave24s
Right, that's not answering my question.
None of you fucks can answer the question.
Why? |
it can't be answered because the season hasn't been played yet...it's all speculation |
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| dave24s |
Still, no answer to my question.
The following is courtesy of Steve Lombardi at www.waswatching.com. Granted, he writes a Yankees blog, but he is very objective, which I like. He deals with sabermetrics in making predictions and actually has a negative opinion of Joe Torre. He's a real fan, not a fan-boy. Anyways, he predicts the AL East in 07:
Once again, the Yankees should have one of the best offensive attacks in the A.L. East. Even if the O's and D-Rays improve in leaps and bounds, they will still be far behind the Yankees with the sticks.
Can Boston and Toronto match the Yankees at the plate?
Well, as a team, you know that I like the Blue Jays this season. And, I expect to see the Jays hit better this year - but, still not in the Yankees class.
The Sox? Last season, Boston was a two-man attack. Maybe Varitek and Crisp will do better in 2007? Then again, maybe not? J.D. Drew is a factor - if he can stay on the field. But, even if many things go right for Boston, they cannot match the Yankees line-up from top to bottom.
For New York, Toronto, and Boston, the big deal is all about pitching. In 2006, the Jays had pitching - whereas the Yankees and Bosox had pitching issues.
Toronto's pitching this season should be just as good, if not better, than it was in 2006. Boston is hoping that Josh Beckett can have a better season now (compared to last) and that Daisuke Matsuzaka can be a winner. New York replaced Randy Johnson with Andy Pettitte and is hoping that Carl Pavano and Kei Igawa can be winners.
I'm predicting that Beckett will be better, but not great, meaning an ERA around four and change. I'm also forecasting Matsuzaka to have a nice year - but I do not expect him to win more than 15 games this season.
In New York, I expect Pettitte to give the Yankees the innings and wins that Johnson provided - with a better ERA. I'm also forecasting Pavano to tap out around 100 IP this season. While I'm not 100% sure on what Igawa will provide, the Yankees should get 160 IP and a dozen wins from him.
Therefore, since Matsuzaka will be better than Matt Clement for Boston, and Beckett will be improved, the Red Sox have improved their pitching. The question is: Have the Yankees improved their pitching just as much?
I can see Carl Pavano being this year's Jaret Wright for New York - and that leaves Igawa to cover for Shawn Chacon/Cory Lidle. Sounds possible to me. But, it's really not that much of an improvement here.
Since the Yankees have a better bullpen than the Red Sox, and with Boston needing to take Papelbon out of their rotation, on the whole, I guess it's a close call between the two teams - in terms of pitching. But, again, the Yankees hit better. So, I'm saying here it's edge New York (overall as a team).
What about Toronto-Boston and Toronto-New York? Boston should out-hit Toronto and New York will out-hit Toronto. The Jays should out-pitch both Boston and New York.
Confused yet? I'm starting to get a tad dizzy myself.
At the end of the day, I suspect that this year's A.L. East will end up the same as last season:
1. Yankees
2. Blue Jays
3. Red Sox
4. Orioles
5. Devil Rays
Yeah, I know that's boring; but, it's what I'm seeing now. |
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| RIP_DB |
Quote: Originally posted by dave24s
Again "Mr. I heard someone say something so I think it's a fact and sound like a fucking asshole spouting it off", please explain to me how the Red Sox pitching, bullpen included is better than the Yankees. |
First explain to me you fuck'n moosecock..why is Pavano your starting pitcher on opening day!!Hasn't pitched in almost two fuck'n years!!!!It's desparation at the beginning of the season!!! |
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| Apoc13 |
| too long to read some yankee propaganda, sorry |
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| dave24s |
Quote: Originally posted by RIP_DB
First explain to me you fuck'n moosecock..why is Pavano your starting pitcher on opening day!!Hasn't pitched in almost two fuck'n years!!!!It's desparation at the beginning of the season!!! |
Christ, first i wrote this:
| Quote: God you assholes are stupid. |
and right after that I wrote:
| Quote: Pavano is not the #1 starter. By virtue of injury and schedule, Pavano is the opening day starter. If not for the hammy, Wang would have opened the season, thus he is the #1 starter. |
Try fucking reading my posts. |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by RIP_DB
First explain to me you fuck'n moosecock..why is Pavano your starting pitcher on opening day!!Hasn't pitched in almost two fuck'n years!!!!It's desparation at the beginning of the season!!! |
Say what you will, the Yankees pitching SUCKED last year yet they had the best record in MLB!!! lol |
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| RIP_DB |
| Key word is IF ASSHOLE!!!Your starting pitching sucks at this point!! |
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| Apoc13 |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Say what you will, the Yankees pitching SUCKED last year yet they had the best record in MLB!!! lol |
but like i've said before....offense wins during the regular season but not in the post season |
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| RIP_DB |
| What did Gayrod do in the post season.........SQUAT!!!! And he's an MVP!!! :D :D :D |
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| KingOfAllMedia |
Quote: Originally posted by dave24s
Again "Mr. I heard someone say something so I think it's a fact and sound like a fucking asshole spouting it off", please explain to me how the Red Sox pitching, bullpen included is better than the Yankees. |
Schilling
Beckett
Matsuzaka
Wakefield
are better than
Pavano (hasn't pitched in two years)
Pettitte (hasn't pitched a full season since leaving NY, breaking down)
Wang (one season doesn't make a career....ask Aaron Small)
Mussina, only bonafide pitcher that can save your team this year.
Enough said. |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by Apoc13
but like i've said before....offense wins during the regular season but not in the post season |
Yeah, as a Red Sox fan you know first hand that you need to at least WIN to get to the playoffs. At least the Yanks can count on having a shot at the World Series while the Red Sox are hoping for a shot at the wild card..... |
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| KingOfAllMedia |
63 Colter Bean L/R 6-6 255 01/16/77 :funny:
56 Chris Britton R/R 6-3 280 12/16/82 :funny:
33 Brian Bruney R/R 6-2 245 02/17/82 :funny:
48 Kyle Farnsworth R/R 6-4 240 04/14/76
62 Sean Henn R/L 6-5 200 04/23/81 LOL :funny:
29 Kei Igawa L/L 6-1 205 07/13/79
58 Jeff Karstens R/R 6-3 175 09/24/82 LOL
35 Mike Mussina L/R 6-2 190 12/08/68
36 Mike Myers L/L 6-3 220 06/26/69 LOL
45 Carl Pavano R/R 6-5 240 01/08/76 LOL
46 Andy Pettitte L/L 6-5 225 06/15/72
43 Scott Proctor R/R 6-1 200 01/02/77 LOL
61 Darrell Rasner R/R 6-3 210 01/13/81 LOL, nice outing today
42 Mariano Rivera R/R 6-2 195 11/29/69
77 Humberto Sanchez R/R 6-6 230 05/28/83 LOL
60 Jose Veras R/R 6-5 230 10/20/80 LOL
39 Luis Vizcaino R/R 5-11 185 08/06/74
40 Chien-Ming Wang R/R 6-3 220 03/31/80
78 Chase Wright L/L 6-2 190 02/08/83 LOL
19 Josh Beckett R/R 6-5 220 05/15/80
30 Matt Clement R/R 6-3 210 08/12/74
53 Brendan Donnelly R/R 6-3 240 07/04/71
31 Jon Lester L/L 6-2 190 01/07/84
48 Javier Lopez L/L 6-4 220 07/11/77
18 Daisuke Matsuzaka R/R 6-0 190 09/13/80
37 Hideki Okajima L/L 6-1 194 12/25/75
58 Jonathan Papelbon R/R 6-4 230 11/23/80
36 Joel Pineiro R/R 6-1 200 09/25/78
32 J.C. Romero S/L 5-11 205 06/04/76
38 Curt Schilling R/R 6-5 235 11/14/66
39 Kyle Snyder S/R 6-8 215 09/09/77
51 Julian Tavarez L/R 6-2 195 05/22/73
50 Mike Timlin R/R 6-4 210 03/10/66
49 Tim Wakefield R/R 6-2 210 08/02/66
C'mon now, which staff would you rather have. We all know it Yankee fans, but you're just too embarrassed to say it. :D |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by RIP_DB
What did Gayrod do in the post season.........SQUAT!!!! And he's an MVP!!! :D :D :D |
Actually son, A Rod's overall playoff stats PISS on the greatest player the Red Sox have ever had, Ted HEADLESS Williams. No wonder why Ted hated Bostona and it's fans, your grandfather was a stupid prick too.............. |
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| elroyjonz |
| Neither team is good enough to win the World Series. |
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| elroyjonz |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Actually son, A Rod's overall playoff stats PISS on the greatest player the Red Sox have ever had, Ted HEADLESS Williams. No wonder why Ted hated Bostona and it's fans, your grandfather was a stupid prick too.............. |
Don't forget DiMaggio hated Yankee fans. |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllMedia
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C'mon now, which staff would you rather have. We all know it Yankee fans, but you're just too embarrassed to say it. :D [/B] |
That means little this year. Neither rotation is great BUT, the Yanks have a huge edge in the bull pen and at the plate..................Like I mentioned, the goal is to first get to the playoffs, which the Yanks will and the Sox will have a hard time getting the wild card. That being said, unless the Yanks get an ace or 2 solid arms before the 1st round, WE ARE FUCKED come playoff time!!!! |
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| KingOfAllMedia |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Actually son, A Rod's overall playoff stats PISS on the greatest player the Red Sox have ever had, Ted HEADLESS Williams. No wonder why Ted hated Bostona and it's fans, your grandfather was a stupid prick too.............. |
While the Spendid Splinter loved Beantown, Joe DiMaggio couldn't stand the Bronx, constantly called it the ugliest place in the United States, and always called the hometown fans the worst in baseball. |
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| KingOfAllMedia |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
That means little this year. Neither rotation is great BUT, the Yanks have a huge edge in the bull pen and at the plate..................Like I mentioned, the goal is to first get to the playoffs, which the Yanks will and the Sox will have a hard time getting the wild card. That being said, unless the Yanks get an ace or 2 solid arms before the 1st round, WE ARE FUCKED come playoff time!!!! |
What means little this year? :scratch: This years pitching staffs don't mean anything this year? You DO realize that is the 2007 opening day Yankee pitching staff, riiiiiiiiiiight? :rolleye2: |
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| Apoc13 |
Quote: Originally posted by elroyjonz
Neither team is good enough to win the World Series. |
imo both teams are good enough to win the series....we sit and argue about these teams but their payrolls put them both in the thick of it come october barring major injuries |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllMedia
What means little this year? :scratch: This years pitching staffs don't mean anything this year? You DO realize that is the 2007 opening day Yankee pitching staff, riiiiiiiiiiight? :rolleye2: |
Their previous stats mean NOTHING this coming season..........................we can yell and swear all we want, the proof is in the pudding, we will see where each team is in late August |
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| elroyjonz |
The Yankees will make the playoffs, but I don't think their pitching has improved enough to win a series. The Red Sox have too many holes in my opinion.
Varitek- How will he hit..like 2004 or 2006? He hasn't hit well this spring.
Mirrabelli-Will he get 10 H.R.'s this year? He sucked bad last year.
Coco- Hate his bat. IF anyone should take HGH it's him.
Manny- Will he quit on the team like last year?
Pedroia- Has not been confused with Bobby Grich this Spring.
Youkillis- Will he fade like last year?
Middle relief? Who knows?
Every team has holes and ?'s. Certainly the Yankees have their problems especially the weak starting pitching. |
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| FUGLY2 |
Quote: Originally posted by RIP_DB
The key word is "IF".Your starter hasn't pitched since 2005!!And at that time had an ERA of 4.77!!!YOUR PITCHING SUCKS!!None of you assholes can deal with that. |
Us assholes? Who started this thread? Oh yeah... a Red Sox 'fan'. All-consumed, you guys are. |
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| yambag |
Quote: Originally posted by FUGLY2
Us assholes? Who started this thread? Oh yeah... a Red Sox 'fan'. All-consumed, you guys are. |
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| elroyjonz |
| Now Torre says he doesn't know if Pavanno-show will start opening day. Joe says he doesn't want to put extra pressure on the kid....LOL. How long has Pavanno-show had time to get ready for this start? How fragile is this kid? I know his body is weak, now it appears his mind is just as weak! |
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| yambag |
I wonder if George knows his #1 starter is Pavano I think if he was all there this would not be
happening...................He is the Yankees' patriarch, still, yet at 76 his health is in obvious decline, widely believed to be the result of something more serious than mere aging. The tales of Steinbrenner's fluctuations in memory and emotions are too numerous to wave off; some have occurred in the presence of the media.
His hours at the Legends Field office have become increasingly erratic. Sometimes he'll leave at 9 p.m.; he recently came to work on a Saturday, when no one else was there.
He no longer drives himself, instead relying on longtime Yankees employee John Sibayan to chauffeur him everywhere. |
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| Apoc13 |
Quote: Originally posted by FUGLY2
Us assholes? Who started this thread? Oh yeah... a Red Sox 'fan'. All-consumed, you guys are. |
fug is right...i've never heard him mention the redsox a single time...as usual it's those bad bad redsox fans |
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| Apoc13 |
Quote: Originally posted by elroyjonz
Now Torre says he doesn't know if Pavanno-show will start opening day. Joe says he doesn't want to put extra pressure on the kid....LOL. How long has Pavanno-show had time to get ready for this start? How fragile is this kid? I know his body is weak, now it appears his mind is just as weak! |
cashman was just on wfan saying they would decide who was going to start opening day when camp breaks....nothing like waiting until the last second huh? sounds like they desperately want mussina to pitch opening day |
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| FUGLY2 |
Quote: Originally posted by yambag
I wonder if George knows his #1 starter is Pavano I think if he was all there this would not be
happening...................He is the Yankees' patriarch, still, yet at 76 his health is in obvious decline, widely believed to be the result of something more serious than mere aging. The tales of Steinbrenner's fluctuations in memory and emotions are too numerous to wave off; some have occurred in the presence of the media.
His hours at the Legends Field office have become increasingly erratic. Sometimes he'll leave at 9 p.m.; he recently came to work on a Saturday, when no one else was there.
He no longer drives himself, instead relying on longtime Yankees employee John Sibayan to chauffeur him everywhere. |
Do you have any time to follow any other teams in the league? I just wonder if your city has a Major League team and if you follow them at all. If you DO somehow find time to follow anything they do once you're done reading, focusing, posting and generally dwelling all things Yankee I'm amazed. |
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| FUGLY2 |
Quote: Originally posted by Apoc13
fug is right...i've never heard him mention the redsox a single time...as usual it's those bad bad redsox fans |
Oh I mention the Red Sox but really, the Yankee threads are busy thanks to Red Sox fans. You start a Red Sox thread, there isn't really that much interest. Count annd compare my posts in Red Sox threads to you girls that practically live in the Yankee threads and then get back to me with the numbers. That's more of a rhetorical challenge because I know you guys don't like to face that fact. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by yambag
I wonder if George knows his #1 starter is Pavano I think if he was all there this would not be
happening...................He is the Yankees' patriarch, still, yet at 76 his health is in obvious decline, widely believed to be the result of something more serious than mere aging. The tales of Steinbrenner's fluctuations in memory and emotions are too numerous to wave off; some have occurred in the presence of the media.
His hours at the Legends Field office have become increasingly erratic. Sometimes he'll leave at 9 p.m.; he recently came to work on a Saturday, when no one else was there.
He no longer drives himself, instead relying on longtime Yankees employee John Sibayan to chauffeur him everywhere. |
Honestly, I dont think George even knows what planet he is on. Forget about who is pitching opening day.
As Artie said today on the show, there are a lot of rumors going on that George is suffering from alzheimers(spelling)/memory loss.
I dont think he is even thinking bout opening day. |
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| dave24s |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllMedia
Schilling
Beckett
Matsuzaka
Wakefield
are better than
Pavano (hasn't pitched in two years)
Pettitte (hasn't pitched a full season since leaving NY, breaking down)
Wang (one season doesn't make a career....ask Aaron Small)
Mussina, only bonafide pitcher that can save your team this year.
Enough said. |
Wow.
Pettitte has pitched over 200 innings each of the past two seasons. That sounds like two pretty full seasons to me.
Wang did it over an ENTIRE year, not half. Wang was also more than decent in 2005, but you probably don't remember that either.
I'll give you Pavano.
And Moose.
Schilling is an old man who will, like last year, break down after the all-star break.
Beckett is overrated, and even if he does improve, his ERA won't get lower than 4. (5 last year)
Matsuzaka hasn't yet thrown a pitch in a real game, so hold off on him please.
And Wakefield of 06 was nowhere near the Wakefield he used to be and you know it. |
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| dave24s |
Quote: Originally posted by elroyjonz
The Yankees will make the playoffs, but I don't think their pitching has improved enough to win a series. The Red Sox have too many holes in my opinion.
Varitek- How will he hit..like 2004 or 2006? He hasn't hit well this spring.
Mirrabelli-Will he get 10 H.R.'s this year? He sucked bad last year.
Coco- Hate his bat. IF anyone should take HGH it's him.
Manny- Will he quit on the team like last year?
Pedroia- Has not been confused with Bobby Grich this Spring.
Youkillis- Will he fade like last year?
Middle relief? Who knows?
Every team has holes and ?'s. Certainly the Yankees have their problems especially the weak starting pitching. |
Wow, an honest opinion from a Red Sox fan. I respect that.
And I wouldn't say the Yanks have weak starting pitching, I would say questionable. I think that's fair. |
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| Apoc13 |
| i think yankee fans like to overrate wang....he's a solid middle of the rotation pitcher...put him on the yankees with their lineup and he's gonna win a ton of games...he's got one of the worst k/9 rates in baseball and worst k/bb rates as well...now while they don't necessarily make him a bad pitcher, he's clearly not, it makes him more likely to depend on the players behind him to get him out of a jam than doing it himself |
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| Hapster |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllMedia
While the Spendid Splinter loved Beantown, Joe DiMaggio couldn't stand the Bronx, constantly called it the ugliest place in the United States, and always called the hometown fans the worst in baseball. |
How do you know? Did you have personal conversations with either of them? The Bronx was/is the ugliest place place in the USA! What does that have to do with the Yankees? Because Joe D hated the Bronx(according to you) he hated the Yankees? What are you trying to say? Is that the best you can come up with?
Old Teddy hated Boston and its fans! Watch the ESPN bio! Why did TSW NEVER tip his cap to the fans of Boston? Do you know why? Get your facts straight dooooooooood! |
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| Hapster |
Quote: Originally posted by Apoc13
i think yankee fans like to overrate wang....he's a solid middle of the rotation pitcher...put him on the yankees with their lineup and he's gonna win a ton of games...he's got one of the worst k/9 rates in baseball and worst k/bb rates as well...now while they don't necessarily make him a bad pitcher, he's clearly not, it makes him more likely to depend on the players behind him to get him out of a jam than doing it himself |
k/9 mean nothing! Greg Maddox is not a stikeout pitcher! Many good pitchers are not strikeout pitchers! Wang is a groundball pitcher! Next? |
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| Apoc13 |
| for the record maddox had a much higher k/9 and baa than wang did....and it was his 20th season...next |
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| FUGLY2 |
Quote: Originally posted by Hapster
How do you know? Did you have personal conversations with either of them? The Bronx was/is the ugliest place place in the USA! What does that have to do with the Yankees? Because Joe D hated the Bronx(according to you) he hated the Yankees? What are you trying to say? Is that the best you can come up with?
Old Teddy hated Boston and its fans! Watch the ESPN bio! Why did TSW NEVER tip his cap to the fans of Boston? Do you know why? Get your facts straight dooooooooood! |
Don't pay any attention to what that kid says. He has 2 things in common with Crazy Cabby: Imaginary conversations with people/things and being a pathological liar/sociopath. It's all about needing attention with those two guys. |
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| Hapster |
Quote: Originally posted by FUGLY2
Don't pay any attention to what that kid says. He has 2 things in common with Crazy Cabby: Imaginary conversations with people/things and being a pathological liar/sociopath. It's all about needing attention with those two guys. |
LOL! |
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| Hapster |
[QUOTE=Apoc13]for the record maddox had a much higher k/9 and baa than wang did....and it was his 20th season...next [/QU
Wang won 19 games last yr with the "worst k/9 rates in baseball and worst k/bb rates"? I still dont see your point? Can you explain further? I'm just a stupid Yankee fan. |
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| yambag |
Quote: Originally posted by FUGLY2
Do you have any time to follow any other teams in the league? I just wonder if your city has a Major League team and if you follow them at all. If you DO somehow find time to follow anything they do once you're done reading, focusing, posting and generally dwelling all things Yankee I'm amazed. |
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| dave24s |
| I would like to increase my respect level for Apoch. |
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| Apoc13 |
Quote: Originally posted by Hapster
[QUOTE=Apoc13]for the record maddox had a much higher k/9 and baa than wang did....and it was his 20th season...next [/QU
Wang won 19 games last yr with the "worst k/9 rates in baseball and worst k/bb rates"? I still dont see your point? Can you explain further? I'm just a stupid Yankee fan. |
wow i didn't think it was that difficult to understand...the yankee lineup can make a mediocre pitcher look very good....would wang win 19 on the royals?....that's my only point. not trying to start a riot by, god forbid, saying that somebody may be a tad overrated...especially an immortal yankee |
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| Hapster |
Quote: Originally posted by Apoc13
wow i didn't think it was that difficult to understand...the yankee lineup can make a mediocre pitcher look very good....would wang win 19 on the royals?....that's my only point. not trying to start a riot by, god forbid, saying that somebody may be a tad overrated...especially an immortal yankee |
Nooooooooooooooooooow I understand! I told ya, I am just a dumb Yankee fan! When you hear bashing year after year after year you tend to look into every little point! Good analogy! |
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| dave24s |
Quote: Originally posted by Apoc13
wow i didn't think it was that difficult to understand...the yankee lineup can make a mediocre pitcher look very good....would wang win 19 on the royals?....that's my only point. not trying to start a riot by, god forbid, saying that somebody may be a tad overrated...especially an immortal yankee |
If the royals had a really good defense, I think he'd win a bunch of games for them.
Look, it's a blessing pitching for the Yanks, good defense, great offense. A Pitchers dream. But, I'd like to warn you because all you've seen of Wang is likely Sportscenter highlights and when he pitches against the Sox; Wang CAN strike a guy out when he wants to. I've seen him do it and he's been doing it this spring. He chooses to induce the groundball however because it, well, saves time.
And don't tell me I'm full of shit, either.
From Wikipedia:
"Chien-Ming Wang is a sinkerball pitcher. His sinker and four-seam fastball combination typically sits between 92mph and 95mph, and can hit speeds up to 97 mph. In the major leagues, Wang throws his sinker to both right and left handers, but Wang features an improving mid-eighties slider, which he throws primarily to right handers. Wang also possesses a low eighties split-fingered fastball/forkball that he will occasionally throw to lefties. Wang's splitter is a distant third pitch, and it is considered to be a work-in-progress. Wang's pitching style is characterized by efficiency, command of the strike zone, few walks, few home runs allowed and very few strikeouts. Wang works quickly and uses his ground-ball inducing sinker to produce many double plays. This efficiency often allows Wang to maintain a low pitch count deep into games. Since his promotion to the major leagues, Wang is considered to have vastly improved his effectiveness out of the stretch and his ability to avoid getting distracted by runners on base, a problem that had affected him earlier in the year.[citation needed]
In Taiwan and the minor leagues, Wang threw a more conventional assortment of pitches, including a four-seam fastball, a changeup, and far more splitters. The sinker, which has become Wang's signature pitch, was developed during his minor league career with advice from former Yankee pitcher and pitching coach, Mel Stottlemyre."
Wang's pitching style is characterized by efficiency, command of the strike zone, few walks, few home runs allowed and very few strikeouts. Wang works quickly and uses his ground-ball inducing sinker to produce many double plays. This efficiency often allows Wang to maintain a low pitch count deep into games.
He prefers to work quickly and let his defense do what it's supposed to do. |
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| FUGLY2 |
Quote: Originally posted by yambag
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Deflect, deflect, deflect. I'll say one thing for you girls: you're all consistent. |
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| FUGLY2 |
Quote: Originally posted by Apoc13
wow i didn't think it was that difficult to understand...the yankee lineup can make a mediocre pitcher look very good....would wang win 19 on the royals?....that's my only point. not trying to start a riot by, god forbid, saying that somebody may be a tad overrated...especially an immortal yankee |
But Surely Schilling would win 19 with the Royals batting lineup. |
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| KingOfAllMedia |
Quote: Originally posted by FUGLY2
Don't pay any attention to what that kid says. He has 2 things in common with Crazy Cabby: Imaginary conversations with people/things and being a pathological liar/sociopath. It's all about needing attention with those two guys. |
Is Hapster your new mult, or nuge's? :rolleye2: |
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| dave24s |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllMedia
Is Hapster your new mult, or nuge's? :rolleye2: |
I can't figure out who Hapster is but he fucking sucks and makes me embarrassed to be a fan at times. |
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| yambag |
Quote: Originally posted by FUGLY2
Deflect, deflect, deflect. I'll say one thing for you girls: you're all consistent. |
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| FUGLY2 |
Quote: Originally posted by yambag
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by dave24s
From Wikipedia:
"Chien-Ming Wang is a sinkerball pitcher. His sinker and four-seam fastball combination typically sits between 92mph and 95mph, and can hit speeds up to 97 mph. In the major leagues, Wang throws his sinker to both right and left handers, but Wang features an improving mid-eighties slider, which he throws primarily to right handers. Wang also possesses a low eighties split-fingered fastball/forkball that he will occasionally throw to lefties. Wang's splitter is a distant third pitch, and it is considered to be a work-in-progress. Wang's pitching style is characterized by efficiency, command of the strike zone, few walks, few home runs allowed and very few strikeouts. Wang works quickly and uses his ground-ball inducing sinker to produce many double plays. This efficiency often allows Wang to maintain a low pitch count deep into games. Since his promotion to the major leagues, Wang is considered to have vastly improved his effectiveness out of the stretch and his ability to avoid getting distracted by runners on base, a problem that had affected him earlier in the year.[citation needed]
In Taiwan and the minor leagues, Wang threw a more conventional assortment of pitches, including a four-seam fastball, a changeup, and far more splitters. The sinker, which has become Wang's signature pitch, was developed during his minor league career with advice from former Yankee pitcher and pitching coach, Mel Stottlemyre."
Wang's pitching style is characterized by efficiency, command of the strike zone, few walks, few home runs allowed and very few strikeouts. Wang works quickly and uses his ground-ball inducing sinker to produce many double plays. This efficiency often allows Wang to maintain a low pitch count deep into games.
He prefers to work quickly and let his defense do what it's supposed to do. |
I think Nuge wrote that :D |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by Apoc13
cashman was just on wfan saying they would decide who was going to start opening day when camp breaks....nothing like waiting until the last second huh? sounds like they desperately want mussina to pitch opening day |
I know, like the Sox telling Paps he is a starter until 2 weeks before camp breaks to then tell him he is their closer, like that won't affect the kid mentally and physically.......... |
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| Apoc13 |
Quote: Originally posted by FUGLY2
But Surely Schilling would win 19 with the Royals batting lineup. |
you're not one of those guys saying that redsox fans are obsessed with the yankees are you? |
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| Apoc13 |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
I know, like the Sox telling Paps he is a starter until 2 weeks before camp breaks to then tell him he is their closer, like that won't affect the kid mentally and physically.......... |
pap has been the one, all spring, saying he's available if the sox need him to close....why would there be a problem physically or mentally? |
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| FUGLY2 |
Quote: Originally posted by Apoc13
you're not one of those guys saying that redsox fans are obsessed with the yankees are you? |
Is THAT what I said? Take a little time out of your projecting and take a look at the thread you're posting in. And the threads you spend so much time posting in. I doubt it would surprise anyone to see what your #1 topic of interest is on here. |
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| Apoc13 |
| i've already admitted i was obsessed with the yankees....but we were talking about wang and all of a sudden you bring up schilling, why would you do that? |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Yankees fans are just as "obsessed" with the Red Sox.
Lets talk baseball and forget about who is "obsessed" with who :D |
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| Apoc13 |
| i agree...i just hate the finger pointing when they're doing the same thing |
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| EastBayLoon |
Yanks will win the EAST again.
Bos will be in 3rd after TOR.
AL wild card will come out of the Central.
A West and Cnetral team will be in the ALCS again....... |
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| KingOfAllMedia |
Quote: Originally posted by EastBayLoon
Yanks will win the EAST again.
Bos will be in 3rd after TOR.
AL wild card will come out of the Central.
A West and Cnetral team will be in the ALCS again....... |
Thank you Carnac. Any other brilliant insight? :rolleye2: |
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| Hapster |
Quote: Originally posted by dave24s
I can't figure out who Hapster is but he fucking sucks and makes me embarrassed to be a fan at times. |
Dooooood I'm embarrassed to be a man after reading some of your shit!!!!!!!!!!! Don't you have a SpongeBob Squarepants marathon to get to? |
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| nuge67 |
| Pavano, the Yankee's # 4 starter, will have more wins the D Mat, Sox # 3 starter and future ace.............IF he stays healthy |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
If D Mat would have signed with the Yankees he would have been the greatest thing since sliced bread.
You guys seem to forget that the Yankees, along with many other teams were willing to invest at least $80,000,000 into this guy. The Red Sox only went about $10,000,000 higher, which in Yankees terms is peanuts. |
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| Hapster |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
If D Mat would have signed with the Yankees he would have been the greatest thing since sliced bread.
You guys seem to forget that the Yankees, along with many other teams were willing to invest at least $80,000,000 into this guy. The Red Sox only went about $10,000,000 higher, which in Yankees terms is peanuts. |
Then why did the Yanks NOT take him? They could of outbid the Sox, "peanuts" to the Yanks. They could keep a player from the Sox, which they seem to do all the time. Why then King, who reads 3 newspapers and listens to Mike and the Mad dog, did the Yankees NOT take him? |
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| RIP_DB |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Pavano, the Yankee's # 4 starter, will have more wins the D Mat, Sox # 3 starter and future ace.............IF he stays healthy |
Pavano hasn't pitched in almost 2 years and when he did his ERA sucked......................another jealous Yankee fan "who wished they had Dice K"!! |
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| KingOfAllMedia |
Quote: Originally posted by Hapster
Then why did the Yanks NOT take him? They could of outbid the Sox, "peanuts" to the Yanks. They could keep a player from the Sox, which they seem to do all the time. Why then King, who reads 3 newspapers and listens to Mike and the Mad dog, did the Yankees NOT take him? |
Because the bids were sealed dumbass. The Yankees thought they had it in the bag. They got outfoxed by Theo. :D |
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| Hapster |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllMedia
They got outfoxed by Theo. :D |
Hardly! |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
If D Mat would have signed with the Yankees he would have been the greatest thing since sliced bread.
You guys seem to forget that the Yankees, along with many other teams were willing to invest at least $80,000,000 into this guy. The Red Sox only went about $10,000,000 higher, which in Yankees terms is peanuts. |
We can not assume here, fact is, I think the Yankee's bid was 31 million.............AND, he would be the 5th starter behind Pavano and then again, you can't compare the Yankee lineup to the Red Sox lineup....He would of had more wins with the Yanks...
I still say the Yanks need to get a BIG time ace before the trade deadline. If the Twins tank early and don't sign Santana, I pray the Yanks can get him....Give him 103 MILLION over 6 years baby!! |
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| KingOfAllMedia |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
We can not assume here, fact is, I think the Yankee's bid was 31 million.............AND, he would be the 5th starter behind Pavano and then again, you can't compare the Yankee lineup to the Red Sox lineup....He would of had more wins with the Yanks...
I still say the Yanks need to get a BIG time ace before the trade deadline. If the Twins tank early and don't sign Santana, I pray the Yanks can get him....Give him 103 MILLION over 6 years baby!! |
"fact is, I think"
Talk about a fucking oxymoron. How the fuck is it a fact if you're not sure?? What a goddamn retard. :rolleye2: |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
So $31,000,000 posting fee plus the $50,000,000 for him is over $81,000,000.
The Yankees were not going to pay $80,000,000+ for a 5th starter when they have all these "gems" in the minor leaguers.
Come on, you are not fooling anybody. |
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| Hapster |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllMedia
"fact is, I think"
Talk about a fucking oxymoron. How the fuck is it a fact if you're not sure?? What a goddamn retard. :rolleye2: |
That is actually funny! |
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| dignan1973 |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
We can not assume here, fact is, I think the Yankee's bid was 31 million.............AND, he would be the 5th starter behind Pavano and then again, you can't compare the Yankee lineup to the Red Sox lineup....He would of had more wins with the Yanks...
I still say the Yanks need to get a BIG time ace before the trade deadline. If the Twins tank early and don't sign Santana, I pray the Yanks can get him....Give him 103 MILLION over 6 years baby!! |
yanks will NOT get santanna. keep dreaming.
Nuge.. DMat 5th starter on yanks?? come on man.. your better than that... |
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| Apoc13 |
Quote: Originally posted by Hapster
Then why did the Yanks NOT take him? They could of outbid the Sox, "peanuts" to the Yanks. They could keep a player from the Sox, which they seem to do all the time. Why then King, who reads 3 newspapers and listens to Mike and the Mad dog, did the Yankees NOT take him? |
hap, you know better than this....like koam said, the bids were sealed....every team made a bid they thought would be enough to get it done.....if matsuzaka ends up being a good major league pitcher the yankees will come away looking bad. and as a yankee fan i'd be pissed. you have more money than god to get any player you want, and you lose this guy to your arch rival? that would be a tough pill to swallow...now if dice-k ends up being just another avg pitcher the yanks can wipe their brow and breathe a sigh of relief that they just missed getting him...but i think if cashman had it to do over again, especially with the way this season has started, he'd make a bid nobody could top. they'd love to have him on the roster this season with their current pitching situation. |
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| elroyjonz |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
So $31,000,000 posting fee plus the $50,000,000 for him is over $81,000,000.
The Yankees were not going to pay $80,000,000+ for a 5th starter when they have all these "gems" in the minor leaguers.
Come on, you are not fooling anybody. |
Exactly King. The Yanks were asleep at the wheel. If George was still "healthy", he would be in pinstripes. |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
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Yanks will still win the AL East by 10 games and Pavano will have more wins the D Mat |
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| RIP_DB |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Yanks will still win the AL East by 10 games and Pavano will have more wins the D Mat |
Answer me this and be honest...what will Dice K's record be at the end of the year including his ERA???? |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by RIP_DB
Answer me this and be honest...what will Dice K's record be at the end of the year including his ERA???? |
13-7, ERA over 5 |
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| RIP_DB |
| Not bad for his first year.Clemens had an 8-4 with an ERA of4.32.Looks like we have a CY winner on our hands!!!!!! |
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| Apoc13 |
| i'll take that too....13 wins from the #3 guy isn't bad |
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| Apoc13 |
| and while nuge is doing predictions, what will pavano's numbers be? |
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| RIP_DB |
| Not bad for his first year!!Nice prediction NUGE! |
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| RIP_DB |
Quote: Originally posted by Apoc13
and while nuge is doing predictions, what will pavano's numbers be? |
Hard to tell.He hasn't pitched since '05 with a ERA of 4.77. :D :D |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by Apoc13
and while nuge is doing predictions, what will pavano's numbers be? |
IF he stays healthy and with that Yankee lineup, 13-15 wins..........Not bad for the # 4 starter |
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| RIP_DB |
| Key word is "IF"!!!!! |
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| KMSDEMON |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllMedia
"fact is, I think"
Talk about a fucking oxymoron. How the fuck is it a fact if you're not sure?? What a goddamn retard. :rolleye2: |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by KMSDEMON
:lol: |
Hey my own little personal stalking MULT!! How many wins do you think Carl will have kid? |
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| dave24s |
So, if Pavano does well tomorrow, does this thread go away?
I mean, seriously....Every team in MLB has questions with their starting pitching, it's not just the Yankees. |
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| RIP_DB |
| Compare the two pitching records....This thread will be here until September. |
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| nuge67 |
Quote: Originally posted by RIP_DB
Compare the two pitching records....This thread will be here until September. |
I agree, all the shit we are fighting about means DICK until Sept when we can really see what is fact!! I still say the Yanks win the AL East and the Sox miss the wild card........ |
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| Hapster |
Quote: Originally posted by dave24s
So, if Pavano does well tomorrow, does this thread go away?
I mean, seriously....Every team in MLB has questions with their starting pitching, it's not just the Yankees. |
No the thread doesn't go away because the Sox fans will find other things to moan about!
How was the SpongeBob Squarepants marathon this weekend Dave? My 4 yr old says next weekend Drake and Josh are having a marathon? Just thought I would let you know so you can plan your weekend. Oh and the Easter Bunny is coming so dont stay up late, no candy for you if he sees you! |
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