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| rotten1977 |
| Well, It took all of 2 days for the NFC (Neds Fucking Classics) CD to make its way from the Lakeland show in Florida to P2P and torrent websites. Im sure Bubba will be less than happy. |
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| Slayer |
| I figured this would happen. I think it was short sighted of him not to release it for sale to everyone. I understand he wanted to give people who show up something special but too many people seem to want this so the torrents were inevitable. |
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| Stew |
Quote: Originally posted by rotten1977
Well, It took all of 2 days for the NFC (Neds Fucking Classics) CD to make its way from the Lakeland show in Florida to P2P and torrent websites. Im sure Bubba will be less than happy. |
email the show the web-sites...you never know Bubba might call in the lawyers :) |
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| rotten1977 |
| Quote: email the show the web-sites...you never know Bubba might call in the lawyers smile |
Hmmm maybe not. Id rather be a pirate than a snitch. Really, I dont want to be either You know? In all actuality O would love to go on BTLS.com and place my order for NFC. But oh well. |
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| Mike in Miami |
Quote: Originally posted by Slayer
I figured this would happen. I think it was short sighted of him not to release it for sale to everyone. I understand he wanted to give people who show up something special but too many people seem to want this so the torrents were inevitable. |
If Microsoft, the "Big 3 Music Companies", the big movie companies, etc can't shut down torrents I doubt Bubba can :)
I also think bubba fans wouldnt do it if they sold online. A content CD isnt something that is a good idea to be for meet and greets only...something like that would be better to use like a t-shirt or hat of some kind...but not an audio cd.... harder to copy a hat or tshirt. |
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| rotten1977 |
| Quote: I also think bubba fans wouldnt do it if they sold online. A content CD isnt something that is a good idea to be for meet and greets only...something like that would be better to use like a t-shirt or hat of some kind...but not an audio cd.... harder to copy a hat or tshirt. |
Agreed 100% |
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| irish_na |
| Just glad to know I have a "legal" official signed copy.... :cool: |
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| rotten1977 |
| Quote: Just glad to know I have a "legal" official signed copy.... |
Very nice I would have went if I didnt live on the other side of the country.
Maybe Bubba will come through Indy in May for the Indy 500 or August for the Brickyard 400. |
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| rotten1977 |
| Quote: Just glad to know I have a "legal" official signed copy.... |
Very nice I would have went if I didnt live on the other side of the country.
Maybe Bubba will come through Indy in May for the Indy 500 or August for the Brickyard 400. If he foes I will pick up a copy. |
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| LanceJr |
| Real fans will make the effort and not rip off the show by downloading it |
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| rotten1977 |
| Quote: Real fans will make the effort and not rip off the show by downloading it |
Ripping off the show would imply that you made the decision to download it rather than by it. If you have no oppurtunity to buy or wouldnt buy it even if you had the money, you arent ripping anyone off.
That is like the over inflated figures of how much money the music and film industries lose each year to piracy.
The figures they release are an estimation of the dollar amount of the material downloaded.
That is not a accurate figure because it does not take into account that most of the units downloaded would never have been bought in the first place.
Basically just because someone downloads something there is no reason to assume they would have bought it if the download option was not there.This goes double when some one lives thousands of miles away form the only place you can buy it.
Also I would point out that copies of this CD have gone for as much as 75 dollars on Ebay so far. To me scamming a fellow fan that badly is far worse than somone downloading the damn thing. |
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| LanceJr |
| I would agree to that point, but at least wait till the oppertunity is completely gone to buy it. I mean if something is out of print, them the brakes...and no choice. |
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| rotten1977 |
| By the way just for the record, I have probably spent a good $200.00 on BTLS.com in the last three months. |
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| saratogafats |
| i think he should just put it on the site and maybe make a special meet and greet compilation cd for the fans who can go.as far as piracy goes its simply supply and demand. |
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| Grawill |
If Bubba wont make the CD available online.. then someone was bound to.
I doubt a word will be said on the air about it being avail on torrent.. they wouldn't want to advertise it anymore then it is here.. as for legal implications, it isn't available for direct download which could result in trouble for that person.. IE the poster that was banned shortly have the torrent links were posted. He had a link for a direct .rar download of the cd.
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| Meself604 |
| it was inevitable that it wuld end up on p2p and torrent sites and im sure bubba wont be pleased but still theres only a limited amount of people who will actualy have the actual cd in its original case and all |
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| rotten1977 |
Quote: Originally posted by Grawill
If Bubba wont make the CD available online.. then someone was bound to.
I doubt a word will be said on the air about it being avail on torrent.. they wouldn't want to advertise it anymore then it is here.. as for legal implications, it isn't available for direct download which could result in trouble for that person.. IE the poster that was banned shortly have the torrent links were posted. He had a link for a direct .rar download of the cd.
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Yup thats the deal. So long as the downloads are not direct and the files aren't hosted on the server of the website its 100% legal. |
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| Dralix |
Quote: Originally posted by rotten1977
Ripping off the show would imply that you made the decision to download it rather than by it. If you have no oppurtunity to buy or wouldnt buy it even if you had the money, you arent ripping anyone off.
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Bullshit. Bubba is selling the CDs. By getting the content without paying for it, you're ripping him off. Period, end of sentence. Try all you will to justify it, spout off about how much you've already spent, none of that justifies you getting for free something Bubba wants you to pay for. |
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| rotten1977 |
Quote: Originally posted by Dralix
Bullshit. Bubba is selling the CDs. By getting the content without paying for it, you're ripping him off. Period, end of sentence. Try all you will to justify it, spout off about how much you've already spent, none of that justifies you getting for free something Bubba wants you to pay for. |
Huh? Never said I did. Go back and read it again. Reading comprehension is a must for adults in todays society. I mentioned that I purchase Bubba stuff because im not a pirate. Jesus now I know why even Howard wont come on here anymore. What happens when all of the cynical numbskulls drive off the intelligent and fun to chat with fans? Well you are left with a horrible environment for meaningful converstation. If you go back and read the posts you are the first person to start swearing and ranting and raving. Until you chimed in we were having meaninful discussion. How many other threads have you ruined with your swill? If you reacted to simple conversation this way with everyday people you encounter in your life you would never stop getting punched in the face. |
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| Mike in Miami |
Quote: Originally posted by Dralix
Bullshit. Bubba is selling the CDs. By getting the content without paying for it, you're ripping him off. Period, end of sentence. Try all you will to justify it, spout off about how much you've already spent, none of that justifies you getting for free something Bubba wants you to pay for. |
If bubba refuses to sell it to him because he cant make it to where he is selling it then bubba isnt losing any money by him downloading it.
The guy wants to buy it, but can't. I don't get why they dont sell it online really... the signing of it and the experience of being there is the bonus for showing up... anyway i dont care I'm not downloading it or buying it... i live 4hrs drive from lakeland but I had shit to do..no big deal... im just sayin the guy isnt ripping off(as far as bubba losing money) bubba when he wants to buy it and bubba wont sell it to him. |
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| Dralix |
It's Bubba's choice how he chooses to distribute it, not ours. Whether we agree with his decision or not.
Forgive me anyone who thinks I'm a ranting and raving, cynical numbskull who gets punched in the face all day :rolleyes: but I'm very much against piracy. |
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| Mike in Miami |
Quote: Originally posted by Dralix
It's Bubba's choice how he chooses to distribute it, not ours. Whether we agree with his decision or not.
Forgive me anyone who thinks I'm a ranting and raving, cynical numbskull who gets punched in the face all day :rolleyes: but I'm very much against piracy. |
I guess I'm against it in theory... like I honestly think to myself if i would normally buy it if it was something impossible to get via piracy... and if it is i usually end up buying it... i mean like for movies, software, mp3's, etc. If it isnt, then i usually dont. Like who would pay $500 for photoshop just to screw around with some photos for no reason. Pretty much nobody. But the professionals who use it for their job would... so i see people that only use it to draw funny things on their friends pictures so im not really against it there...if someone uses it for work and makes money with it or whatever then i am... I do have morals they are just odd sometiems I guess lol... |
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| rotten1977 |
Quote: Originally posted by Dralix
It's Bubba's choice how he chooses to distribute it, not ours. Whether we agree with his decision or not.
Forgive me anyone who thinks I'm a ranting and raving, cynical numbskull who gets punched in the face all day :rolleyes: but I'm very much against piracy. |
Thats fine I just dont want to get painted into a corner as some thief. Pardon me if I react negatively to being called one. I just wonder where the moral outrage is in the other posts here regarding people buying up bundles of copies and raping people other fans for $75.00 a copyon Ebay? Hmm.. that probably makes him a brilliant entrepreneur and not a theiving capitalist money changer? |
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| Dralix |
Some of your posts come across, to me anyway, as supporting filesharing of the NFC. So I responded. Not with near the amount of venom that you seemed to think.
As for people reselling on eBay, I have less issue with that than with filesharing. As far as I know, reselling on eBay is not illegal. Someone buys it legally from Bubba, they have every right to turn around and resell it at a profit. There are people who make their living doing just that.
But at the end of the day, someone reselling a product on eBay doesn't cost the copyright owner anything. Unless of course they copy it first ... |
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| rotten1977 |
| I dunno.... the reality of the situation is that the unavailability of the product to most people at a reasonable price (not from some auction) does create an underground market. Whether that market be via downloads or auctions it is created. This is not opinion it is a fact. Even Brent Hatley would tell you that. :) |
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| Mike in Miami |
I dont see what the big deal is anyway... i'd lsiten to it but i wouldnt play it over and over and it wasnt worth a 4hr drive to me, or whatever it cost or wasting my time downloading the torrent file lol...
all this ruckus over this cd is funny... |
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| Dralix |
| I don't deny the market exists. I deny that people are entitled to download something for free simply because they can't or won't buy it through legitimate means. Not that I am accusing you of doing so, of course. |
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| rotten1977 |
Quote: Originally posted by Dralix
Some of your posts come across, to me anyway, as supporting filesharing of the NFC. So I responded. Not with near the amount of venom that you seemed to think.
As for people reselling on eBay, I have less issue with that than with filesharing. As far as I know, reselling on eBay is not illegal. Someone buys it legally from Bubba, they have every right to turn around and resell it at a profit. There are people who make their living doing just that.
But at the end of the day, someone reselling a product on eBay doesn't cost the copyright owner anything. Unless of course they copy it first ... |
The legal status of a issue has little or nothing to do with morality. Just look at corporate law prohibition or drug laws. |
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| Grawill |
Having it available as a torrent is simply a way to allow those not in an area of a m&g to still enjoy the work of the BRN both past and present.
The legality of this has been argued over many times.. bottom line (to date) is torrent file sharing is not an offense one person can be charged for.
One could argue the moral issue here.. If a m&g is in your area and you still download it to save yourself $20 then you have a moral issue that you should be dealing with. On the flip side, if you don't any reasonable (ie not having to buy a plain ticket or spend a day driving) way to get a legit copy, then it really isn't a moral issue for that person.
It's up to the person downloading to make the morally correct decision.
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| bm311x |
| Why go through the trouble of finding the tracks and downloading them? Just call in and get one for free LOL :tu: |
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| Grawill |
Quote: Originally posted by bm311x
Why go through the trouble of finding the tracks and downloading them? Just call in and get one for free LOL :tu: |
The entire CD was converted to MP3 format at the highest quality possible (original quality wasn't the greatest) and all the disc info was added including the track info...
It is not necessary to search for each track.. just read some info about torrent files and use the link below..
Grawill.
REMOVED BY STAFF. |
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| rotten1977 |
| LMAO@ Grawill Nice I wasnt going to post the deal here but why not??? Lol |
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| Grawill |
Quote: Originally posted by rotten1977
LMAO@ Grawill Nice I wasnt going to post the deal here but why not??? Lol |
The link was posted else where on the BTLS boards.. and still is in one spot (I'd remove it but it wasn't my post so I'm sure an Admin will as soon as they find it) but they started removing the link today so I'll take the hint and not post it here.
A simple search in Google will prove VERY useful if used correctly.
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| droozilla |
haha, k15 on the tizzzzzorrent brutha.
I swear I'll buy it when they come back to NYC. |
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| Bojive |
| It is on Ebay right now for $125 for an Autgraphed CD. The black market should be much cheaper. |
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| bubba's johnson |
| wow I love bubba but in general my thinking on "piracy" is this. I download a movie or more off the internet if I like the movie I buy it. If it's not worth my money I don't. In the long run I'm giving movie companies a chance to expose me to more than i normally would expose myself too and if the merch is good people will buy. IE KING KONG the most downloaded movie in 3 years. Also one of the biggest dvd salers. Catch my drift. |
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| Stew |
Quote: Originally posted by rotten1977
Hmmm maybe not. Id rather be a pirate than a snitch. Really, I dont want to be either You know? In all actuality O would love to go on BTLS.com and place my order for NFC. But oh well. |
hmmm....so if you would rather be a pirate & don't want to tell bubba what sites have it for download & know it will not be available on btls.com.....
then you started this thread so that other people will know its available for download if they look around the internet.. ?
Oh and yes I have spent $$ at Btls.com this past year as well... |
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| gay4artie |
Everything they've ever released is on the P2P websites. They should have released the NFC CD's on line, and could have at least made alot of money on the initial release rather than tickle everyone's ass with a feather.
Another thing they should be concerned about is that there are custom shirt printers popping up in shopping malls everywhere who will print or COPY any existing lettering and picture you want onto a tee-shirt for under 25 bucks. So the BRN should release anything they get immediately on line to maximize their profit instead of tickling everyone's ass with a feather everytime they release something we want. It's a different world now days, and this willl ALWAYS be the result..PIRACY!! |
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| Mike in Miami |
| They should sell their stuff on ITUNES or similar as well as CD. |
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| krescan |
Quote: Originally posted by Mike in Miami
If Microsoft, the "Big 3 Music Companies", the big movie companies, etc can't shut down torrents I doubt Bubba can :)
I also think bubba fans wouldnt do it if they sold online. A content CD isnt something that is a good idea to be for meet and greets only...something like that would be better to use like a t-shirt or hat of some kind...but not an audio cd.... harder to copy a hat or tshirt. |
man i can't wait till the technology comes out where i can torrent a t-shirt |
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| dson |
does anyone else find it a little ridiculous that bubba is "rewarding" people that come to meet and greets by allowing them to BUY a cd
its not like hes giving them away
just sell them to anyone, ned is funny as shit, but i would never buy a radio bit cd anyways, shit isnt as funny after the first few times |
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| Mike in Miami |
Quote: Originally posted by krescan
man i can't wait till the technology comes out where i can torrent a t-shirt |
......shhh... tshirttorrents.net ...... u didnt get it from me. |
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| Grawill |
Buying the bits on a cd is nothing more then a convenience. Anyone can take the audio feed from there Sirius receiver and plug it into a recording device.
Hell, if you're a person that can't figure out the torrent thing, or just don't agree with it.. there's your answer.
Here's one cable you could use..
http://www.kingsware.com/pictures/IPOD-MTOM35-CBL-unit.jpg
http://cgi.ebay.com/6-ft-3-5mm-Mini...r />
dZViewItem
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| jtheweirdo |
Quote: Originally posted by LanceJr
Real fans will make the effort and not rip off the show by downloading it |
If Bubba gave 2 shits about his fans then he would sell them this fucking CD. He wants to try to force more people to come to a meet and greet because he thinks it will give him more pull during contract redos with Sirius. So i say oh fucking well about this CD. I hope more people get an illegal copy than actually go to a meet and greet and get a real copy. |
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| DOUBLE07 |
Quote: Originally posted by jtheweirdo
If Bubba gave 2 shits about his fans then he would sell them this fucking CD. He wants to try to force more people to come to a meet and greet because he thinks it will give him more pull during contract redos with Sirius. So i say oh fucking well about this CD. I hope more people get an illegal copy than actually go to a meet and greet and get a real copy. |
It's one thing to have a crap cd as a "chase" for meet and greets. But havinig a NED CD with classic cuts and the NED songs of Brent (Brent,Brent,Brent,Brent) is a chase CD that many would want and having limited access to the CDs only creates demand.
I don't blame the Ebay sellers. They are providing the product, it's the bidders that are driving the price up.
Bubba can't have heat with the Ebayers either. Let's not forget he sold his jackets for a few grand on ebay.
I understand he's trying to make the meet and greets have large crowds, but it's not like they are having a U.S. tour of every state. Some fans have been left out and that's a shame.
It's nice he was giving the CD's away last night, but still it's limited. THe CD should be available to all fans.
Make a T-Shirt exclusive with the site name and date on it. |
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| Grawill |
I think *cough* someone will begin recording all the bits from now on.. and compile them for.. well.. for something.
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