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| Fdubya247 |
Only Bush and the neo-cons could fuck shit up this bad...corrupt idiots and stooges. And just think what kind of people these "bush voters" must really be...goddamn scum of the earth. DUPED SUCKERS!!!!
Iraqi details 'shocking' U.S. missteps
By CHARLES J. HANLEY, AP Special Correspondent1 hour, 39 minutes ago
In a rueful reflection on what might have been, an Iraqi government insider details in 500 pages the U.S. occupation's "shocking" mismanagement of his country — a performance so bad, he writes, that by 2007 Iraqis had "turned their backs on their would-be liberators."
"The corroded and corrupt state of Saddam was replaced by the corroded, inefficient, incompetent and corrupt state of the new order," Ali A. Allawi concludes in "The Occupation of Iraq," newly published by Yale University Press.
Allawi writes with authority as a member of that "new order," having served as Iraq's trade, defense and finance minister at various times since 2003. As a former academic, at Oxford University before the U.S.-British invasion of Iraq, he also writes with unusual detachment.
The U.S.- and British-educated engineer and financier is the first senior Iraqi official to look back at book length on his country's four-year ordeal. It's an unsparing look at failures both American and Iraqi, an account in which the word "ignorance" crops up repeatedly.
First came the "monumental ignorance" of those in Washington pushing for war in 2002 without "the faintest idea" of Iraq's realities. "More perceptive people knew instinctively that the invasion of Iraq would open up the great fissures in Iraqi society," he writes.
What followed was the "rank amateurism and swaggering arrogance" of the occupation, under L. Paul Bremer's Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA), which took big steps with little consultation with Iraqis, steps Allawi and many others see as blunders:
• The Americans disbanded Iraq's army, which Allawi said could have helped quell a rising insurgency in 2003. Instead, hundreds of thousands of demobilized, angry men became a recruiting pool for the resistance.
• Purging tens of thousands of members of toppled President Saddam Hussein's Baath party — from government, school faculties and elsewhere — left Iraq short on experienced hands at a crucial time.
• An order consolidating decentralized bank accounts at the Finance Ministry bogged down operations of Iraq's many state-owned enterprises.
• The CPA's focus on private enterprise allowed the "commercial gangs" of Saddam's day to monopolize business.
• Its free-trade policy allowed looted Iraqi capital equipment to be spirited away across borders.
• The CPA perpetuated Saddam's fuel subsidies, selling gasoline at giveaway prices and draining the budget.
In his 2006 memoir of the occupation, Bremer wrote that senior U.S. generals wanted to recall elements of the old Iraqi army in 2003, but were rebuffed by the Bush administration. Bremer complained generally that his authority was undermined by Washington's "micromanagement."
Although Allawi, a cousin of Ayad Allawi, Iraq's prime minister in 2004, is a member of a secularist Shiite Muslim political grouping, his well-researched book betrays little partisanship.
On U.S. reconstruction failures — in electricity, health care and other areas documented by Washington's own auditors — Allawi writes that the Americans' "insipid retelling of `success' stories" merely hid "the huge black hole that lay underneath."
For their part, U.S. officials have often largely blamed Iraq's explosive violence for the failures of reconstruction and poor governance.
The author has been instrumental since 2005 in publicizing extensive corruption within Iraq's "new order," including an $800-million Defense Ministry scandal. Under Saddam, he writes, the secret police kept would-be plunderers in check better than the U.S. occupiers have done.
As 2007 began, Allawi concludes, "America's only allies in Iraq were those who sought to manipulate the great power to their narrow advantage. It might have been otherwise."
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| VacateTheWord |
FDubya247 - Every post you make about Iraq is negative.
Let's get a straight answer - do you want America to succeed in the war on terror? Yes or no. |
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| harley-davidson |
Quote: FDubya247 - Every post you make about Iraq is negative.
Let's get a straight answer - do you want America to succeed in the war on terror? Yes or no. |
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| otherone4life |
| heckuva job W |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
FDubya247 - Every post you make about Iraq is negative.
Let's get a straight answer - do you want America to succeed in the war on terror? Yes or no. |
You'll learn soon enough VTW.... You'll take a lesson from NCMickeyMouse.... You'll notice he stays his bush ass-licking ass OUT of these threads... and soon you will too, just like all the other little kool-aid drinking sheep who follow Bush like lemmings. You're the only one in this thread... you think that's by accident?
It's because you stupid idiots eat shit in these threads EVERYTIME.... you morons can't defend bush against his 'War in Error'.
The buffet line starts to the left VTW.... prepare to eat shit... 
Oh, and feel-free to use the typical Bush Supporter tactic when they eat shit in a thread and can't possibly prove the big bad 'liberals' on this site wrong.
It's called "Tuck-tail and run"..... The Bush supporters have been employing this technique a LOT lately in many threads... but never so many as in Iraq War threads. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
You'll learn soon enough VTW.... You'll take a lesson from NCMickeyMouse.... You'll notice he stays his bush ass-licking ass OUT of these threads... and soon you will too, just like all the other little kool-aid drinking sheep who follow Bush like lemmings. You're the only one in this thread... you think that's by accident?
It's because you stupid idiots eat shit in these threads EVERYTIME.... you morons can't defend bush against his 'War in Error'.
The buffet line starts to the left VTW.... prepare to eat shit...
Oh, and feel-free to use the typical Bush Supporter tactic when they eat shit in a thread and can't possibly prove the big bad 'liberals' on this site wrong.
It's called "Tuck-tail and run"..... The Bush supporters have been employing this technique a LOT lately in many threads... but never so many as in Iraq War threads. |
Funny how you accuse others of "tuck-tail and run," yet you ignore the fact that Fdubya247 refuses to answer the question.
Perhaps you would elect to - it's a rather simple question. Do you want America to succeed in Iraq, yes or no? |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Funny how you accuse others of "tuck-tail and run," yet you ignore the fact that Fdubya247 refuses to answer the question.
Perhaps you would elect to - it's a rather simple question. Do you want America to succeed in Iraq, yes or no? |
Define succeed
You're word trickery has no effect on me, and I can see through your facade.... |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
Define succeed
You're word trickery has no effect on me, and I can see through your facade.... |
Success = an Iraq that can govern, sustain and defend itself, and is an ally in the war on terror.
So are you in favor of that? Yes or no. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheTurd
Success = an Iraq that can govern, sustain and defend itself, and is an ally in the war on terror. |
You mean the country Iraq was pre-invasion/occupation...???
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
DUPED SUCKER...!!!!!!
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheTurd
So are you in favor of that? Yes or no. |
Your question only exposes your own ignorance, cockroach!!!
What a jerk-off.
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Quote: Originally posted by Fdub
Quote: Originally posted by Vacate(TheTurd)
Simple - a nation that can govern, defend and sustain itself and is an ally in the war on terror. |
You mean like Saddam's Iraq, pre-Bush invasion and occupation?!?!? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Thanks for exposing your own ignorance yet again, cockroach!!!
*FLUSH*
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Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
Have you heard the Word? Vacate's a TURD!
Vacate: The :shit:
Don't bring up the "Powell Doctrine"...it makes Vacate (the Turd) "vacate" into his poopie panties... :shit: |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Success = an Iraq that can govern, sustain and defend itself, and is an ally in the war on terror.
So are you in favor of that? Yes or no. |
It's not that simple... and your question is designed to fail....
So I will not answer it simply. But I will give you a short answer.
I am in favor of Iraq being able to govern, sustain, and defend itself
But that is an impossibility at this point in time, thanks to the half-assed attempt at a strategy from our chimpanzee-in-chief.
Now... we can debate this all day, and you will win some arguments, and I will win some arguments, and at the end.... neither of us will see the other's point ultimately.
So I'm not sure if you want to continue this game.... because ironically... it's like this War on Terror, at the end, we both lose and don't get anywhere towards an understanding. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
Now... we can debate this all day, and you will win some arguments, |
That'll be the day!!
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| jtheweirdo |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
FDubya247 - Every post you make about Iraq is negative.
Let's get a straight answer - do you want America to succeed in the war on terror? Yes or no. |
You do know that Saddam and Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11 and that there were no terrorist there until WE started a war with Iraq? The point being, your question is just fucking retarded. Bush's invasion of Iraq, has shit to do with the "War on Terror". |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
It's not that simple... and your question is designed to fail....
So I will not answer it simply. But I will give you a short answer.
I am in favor of Iraq being able to govern, sustain, and defend itself
But that is an impossibility at this point in time, thanks to the half-assed attempt at a strategy from our chimpanzee-in-chief.
Now... we can debate this all day, and you will win some arguments, and I will win some arguments, and at the end.... neither of us will see the other's point ultimately.
So I'm not sure if you want to continue this game.... because ironically... it's like this War on Terror, at the end, we both lose and don't get anywhere towards an understanding. |
Fair enough.
I pose the question only because it seems that many people here (I'm not including you) are so consumed with hatred for President Bush that they would rather see the U.S. fail in Iraq and thus make President Bush look bad than succeed (which is beneficial for the country as a whole and not one particular person or political party).
Mabye I'm just being paranoid, but I swear there are people here that would not be in the least bit sad to see Iraq go down in flames. |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Fair enough.
I pose the question only because it seems that many people here (I'm not including you) are so consumed with hatred for President Bush that they would rather see the U.S. fail in Iraq and thus make President Bush look bad than succeed (which is beneficial for the country as a whole and not one particular person or political party).
Mabye I'm just being paranoid, but I swear there are people here that would not be in the least bit sad to see Iraq go down in flames. |
I doubt it... let's put it this way... not one of us on this entire forum really wants American Troops to die... I know it's funny to scream that at each other that we think the other side wants to see troops die to prove some point.... but really... none of us do.
The fact is we're there now.... and we thrown a country that (albeit a tyrannical regime) WAS stable, a lot more stable than now. And it's partly because we started the chain of events.
Now, we can go back and forth and blame Clinton for not acting on Intel, or Bush Senior for not finishing the job.... we can even blame the democrats for not being able to clean up this mess..... because I know they won't... they don't know what they're doing either.
But the sad fact is it was BUSH'S direct order to march into Iraq.... and it was HIS decision (He is the Decider) to send our troops in to harms way.
I mean this is just brass tax.... People are dying.... and yeah, for those of us who don't support the president..... it really pisses us off and drives the 'hatred' so to speak. And then when we see Bush with his 'flippant' attitude at speeches, cracking jokes about administration faux pax's and what not.... it just fuels the fire. |
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| Fdubya247 |
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