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| Fdubya247 |
"Vacate" must be vacating into his poopie panties over this! DUPED SUCKER!:
Iraqi Shias protest in holy city
Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Shias have demonstrated in the holy city of Najaf, calling for US-led troops to leave Iraq.
The protesters were responding to an appeal by cleric Moqtada Sadr, who branded US forces "your arch enemy" in a statement.
The demonstration marks four years since US troops entered Baghdad and ended the rule of Saddam Hussein.
Baghdad has been placed under curfew for the duration of the anniversary.
A 24-hour ban on movement by all vehicles, for fear of car bomb attacks, began in the city at 0500 (0100 GMT) on Monday, where four years ago a giant statue of Saddam Hussein was torn down, symbolising the fall of his regime.
US praise
The protest in Najaf, 160km (100 miles) south of Baghdad, broke up after about three hours.
The BBC's Jim Muir in Baghdad says there were no reports of violence as protesters waved flags, sang and chanted slogans calling for an end to the occupation.
There was no sign of Moqtada Sadr, who has not been seen in public since US and Iraqi army forces began a new security drive in and around Baghdad nearly eight weeks ago.
The US believes he is in Iran. Our correspondent says the Americans regard the cleric and his militia, the Mehdi Army, as the biggest danger to Iraq today.
The militia is said to be heavily involved in the sectarian violence of the past year, although it was reported to have stood down in response to the security "surge", which involves an extra 30,000 US troops.
The US military praised the peaceful nature of the protest.
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The march is a peaceful demonstration and largely symbolic of the anti-US sentiment growing in Iraq
Stuart, UK
Spokesman Col Steven Boylan said: "This is the right to assemble, the right to free speech - they didn't have that under the former regime."
In a statement issued on Sunday, the cleric asked Iraqis not to "walk alongside the occupiers, because they are your arch enemy" and to turn all their efforts on US forces.
But he warned followers against violence, urging the Mehdi Army and Iraqi security forces "to be to be patient and to unite your efforts against the enemy and not against the sons of Iraq".
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Thousands of Shias had headed to Najaf in tightly-packed buses and cars.
Some demonstrators burned US flags and shouted slogans: "No, no, no to America... Moqtada, yes, yes, yes.".
One member of Mr Sadr's organisation, Salah al-Obaydi, called the rally a "call for liberation".
"We're hoping that by next year's anniversary, we will be an independent and liberated Iraq with full sovereignty," he told the Associated Press.
Clashes continued on Monday between coalition forces and followers loyal to the cleric in the town of Diwaniya.
US and Iraqi forces began an operation to root out militiamen there on Friday.
Moqtada Sadr's supporters hold a crucial block of seats in Iraq's parliament, giving them an influential voice in Prime Minister Nouri Maliki's government.
Mr Maliki is in Tokyo where he met Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.
They signed previously agreed loans worth 103bn yen ($862m; £440m) for four economic projects.
Mr Maliki thanked Tokyo for its support and said: "Iraq has escaped the constraints of the past and is engaged in new challenges. The country is one and the people are one."
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/...ast/6537861.stm
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| Max-the-Silent |
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| VacateTheWord |
What this "protest" shows are three important facts:
1) The number of protestors was estimated at around 5,000 to 7,000 - hardly a "mass" protest. This shows that the opposition to the coalition force is a small minority and the overwhelming majority of Iraqis do not object to our efforts to stabilize the country.
Source for # of protestors:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast...main/index.html
2) The protestors were Shiites, organized by Al-Sadr. The Sunnis and Kurds did not participate in this demonstration and they didn't have demonstrations of their own. This shows that the Sunnis and Kurds are on the side of America. Remember the story that was posted about the Sunnis taking the coalition forces' side against Al Qaeda?
3) Those who participated in the protest were allowed to do so. This would not have happened under the oppressive regime of Saddam Hussein. They are embracing the freedom we have brought to their country. Also, we provided protection for the protest - clearly showing that we care about the Iraqis and that our efforts there are noble and just. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheTurd
What this "protest" shows are three important facts: |
1. The "logic" of a cockroach. The Shia are a very large majority in Iraq. Its not a good idea to gather in crowds in Baghdad right now. Their "leader" has called for a renewed offensive. Pollyanna douche.
2. Sunni Baathists are "joining" AQ (forming anti-U.S. militias and calling themselves part of AQ). :opps:
3. But you consider people who "protest" here "traitors". Hypocrite Nazi thug.
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| Fdubya247 |
Vacate: simply a FUCKING LIAR.
Shiites call for U.S. to leave Iraq
By LAUREN FRAYER, Associated Press Writer 40 minutes ago
Tens of thousands of Shiites — a sea of women in black abayas and men waving Iraqi flags — rallied Monday to demand that U.S. forces leave their country. Some ripped apart American flags and tromped across a Stars and Stripes rug.
The protesters marched about three miles between the holy cities of Kufa and Najaf to mark the fourth anniversary of the fall of Baghdad. In the capital, streets were silent and empty under a hastily imposed 24-hour driving ban.
Radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr ordered up the march as a show of strength not only to Washington but to Iraq's establishment Shiite ayatollahs as well.
Al-Sadr, who disappointed followers hoping he might appear after months in seclusion, has pounded his anti-American theme in a series of written statements. The most recent came on Sunday, when he called on his Mahdi Army militia to redouble efforts to expel American forces and for the police and army to join the struggle against "your archenemy."
The fiery cleric owes much of his large following to the high esteem in which Shiites hold his father, Ayatollah Mohammed Sadiq al-Sadr, who was assassinated in 1999 by suspected agents of Saddam Hussein. Al-Sadr dropped from view before the start of the latest Baghdad security operation on Feb. 14. U.S. officials say he is holed up in Iran. His followers insist he's returned to Najaf.
Fearing suicide attacks, car bombings or other mayhem in the capital, Iraq's generals ordered all vehicles off the streets for 24 hours starting at 5 a.m. Monday, normally a work day. The capital was eerily quiet, shops were shuttered and locked and reports of sectarian violence fell to near zero.
Police and morgue officials reported finding just seven bodies dumped in the capital, only the second time the number of sectarian assassination and torture victims had dipped that low in the course of the Baghdad security operation. A total of 25 people were killed or found dead in the country Monday, according to police and morgue reports.
A double line of police cordoned the marchers' route from Kufa to Najaf, sister cities on the west bank of the Euphrates River. The holy places, 100 miles south of Baghdad, are a prime destination for Shiite pilgrims.
Among the snapping flags and giant banners, leaflets fluttered to earth, exhorting the marchers in chants of "Yes, Yes to Iraq" and "Yes, Yes to Muqtada. Occupiers should leave Iraq."
Salah al-Obaydi, a senior official in al-Sadr's Najaf organization, called the rally a "call for liberation. We're hoping that by next year's anniversary, we will be an independent and liberated Iraq with full sovereignty."
And the head of al-Sadr's parliamentary bloc, Nassar al-Rubaie, blasted the U.S. presence as an affront to "the dignity of the Iraqi people. After four years of occupation, we have hundreds of thousands of people dead and wounded."
A key Washington official saw it differently.
"Iraq, four years on, is now a place where people can freely gather and express their opinions," Gordon Johndroe, the National Security Council spokesman, said aboard Air Force One. "And while we have much more progress ahead of us — the United States, the coalition and Iraqis have much more to do — this is a country that has come a long way from the tyranny of Saddam Hussein."
Col. Steven Boylan, a U.S. military spokesman and aide to Gen. David Petraeus, the U.S. commander in Iraq, praised the peaceful demonstration and said Iraqis "could not have done this four years ago."
Iraqi soldiers in uniform joined the crowd of marchers which stretch for at least three miles and was led by a dozen turbaned clerics, a Sunni Muslim among them. Many marchers, especially youngsters, danced as they moved through the streets, littered with balloons.
Brig. Abdul Kerim al-Mayahi, the Najaf police chief, said there were as many as 600,000 in the march, although other estimates were significantly lower. He said 30 lawmakers made the hike and there was no American troop presence except surveillance from helicopters hovering above.
Monday's demonstration marks four years since U.S. Marines and the Army's 3rd Infantry Division swept into the Iraqi capital 20 days into the American invasion.
Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari noted that "mistakes were made" after Saddam was ousted, pointing to decisions made by the first U.S. governor of Iraq, L. Paul Bremer.
"The main mistake was a vacuum left in the fields of security and politics, and the second mistake was how liberating forces became occupation forces," Zebari told Al-Arabiyah television.
Cars were banned from Najaf for 24 hours starting from 8 p.m. Sunday, and buses idled at all city entry points to transport arriving demonstrators or other visitors.
While al-Sadr had ordered his militia to disarm and stay off the streets during the Baghdad crackdown, he has notched up his anti-American rhetoric in three brief but hostile statements demanding the departure of U.S. troops.
"You, the Iraqi army and police forces, don't walk alongside the occupiers, because they are your archenemy," he wrote, apparently referring to three days of clashes between his Mahdi Army militiamen and U.S.-backed Iraqi troops in Diwaniyah, 80 miles south of Baghdad.
A U.S. soldier was killed there Sunday, according to Col. Michael Garrett, with the U.S. Army's 25th Infantry Division. He spoke to reporters in Diwaniyah as American troops continued operations.
On Monday night, police officials in Diwaniyah said the toll since the start of the operation Friday was 14 dead and 47 wounded, both figures including civilians and members of the Mahdi Army. The numbers could not be independently confirmed. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheTurd
1) The number of protestors was estimated at around 5,000 to 7,000 - hardly a "mass" protest. |
"Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Shias have demonstrated in the holy city of Najaf, calling for US-led troops to leave Iraq."
Just in NAJAF alone, LYING motherfucker.
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
"Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Shias have demonstrated in the holy city of Najaf, calling for US-led troops to leave Iraq."
Just in NAJAF alone, LYING motherfucker.
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Oh, so now it's hundreds of thousands as compared to the 5000-7000 estimate given by the AP.
And to what far-left radical website do we owe the honor of this bullshit claim? |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Oh, so now it's hundreds of thousands as compared to the 5000-7000 estimate given by the AP.
And to what far-left radical website do we owe the honor of this bullshit claim? |
BBC News. Its the first article of the thread, you poor ignorant cockroach-dropping.
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
BBC News. Its the first article of the thread, you poor ignorant cockroach-dropping.
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lol the BBC - you'd be hard pressed to come up with a more liberally biased network than that. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
lol the BBC - you'd be hard pressed to come up with a more liberally biased network than that. |
...And thus the most credible.
Why are you such a lying piece of shit?
Why are you such a goose-stepping Nazi fuck-wit?
Why don't you go fuck yourself?
This is a "NO TURD-DROPPING" zone:
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Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
Have you heard the Word? Vacate's a TURD!
Vacate: The :shit:
Don't bring up the "Powell Doctrine"...it makes Vacate (the Turd) "vacate" into his poopie panties... :shit: |
Vacated Turd :shit: ----------> :love: <--------- MCDikey-Dike 69K :hitler: |
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| cecilturtle06 |
| Quote: Spokesman Col Steven Boylan said: "This is the right to assemble, the right to free speech - they didn't have that under the former regime." |
| Quote: Col. Steven Boylan, a U.S. military spokesman and aide to Gen. David Petraeus, the U.S. commander in Iraq, praised the peaceful demonstration and said Iraqis "could not have done this four years ago." |
Hm....is this what NCMike and the others had in mind for Iraq? Iraqi people now protesting our presence in their country. Bush gives them a "democracy", they now start telling us to "get out". They dipped their fingers in the purple ink, and now they point their fingers to tell us to get out. |
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| otherone4life |
| The Sunnis are on our side ..excuse me but bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh of course, if Vacate were right, then what was the point of removing Saddam, who was, after all, a Sunni? EVERYONE is against us in Iraq ...Bush is a uniter ..of all Iraqis sects against us ..heckuva job W! |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by cecilturtle06
and now they point their fingers to tell us to get out. |
Actually its just one finger. The middle one.
Flowers and candy, people...flowers and candy. |
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| otherone4life |
Vacate ..from the NYTimes:
BAGHDAD, April 9 — Tens of thousands of protesters loyal to Moktada al-Sadr, the Shiite cleric, took to the streets of the holy city of Najaf on Monday in an extraordinarily disciplined rally to demand an end to the American military presence in Iraq, burning American flags and chanting “Death to America!” |
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| otherone4life |
More ..
Residents said that the angry, boisterous demonstration was the largest in Najaf, the heart of Shiite religious power, since the American-led invasion in 2003. It took place on the fourth anniversary of the fall of Baghdad, and it was an obvious effort by Mr. Sadr to show the extent of his influence here in Iraq, even though he did not appear at the rally. Mr. Sadr went underground after the American military began a new security push in Baghdad on Feb. 14, and his whereabouts are unknown.
Biggest demonstration since 2003 .... Heckuva Job W! |
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| otherone4life |
and from the WaPO
BAGHDAD, April 9 -- Draped in Iraqi flags and chanting anti-American slogans, tens of thousands of Iraqis swept into the southern city of Najaf on the call of radical Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr to mark the fourth anniversary of the ouster of President Saddam Hussein, calling for U.S. forces to withdraw from Iraq.
"No, no to the occupier. Yes, yes, to Iraq," they chanted, as demonstrators burned and ripped apart American flags. "Get out, get out occupation." |
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Quote: Originally posted by otherone4life
More ..
Residents said that the angry, boisterous demonstration was the largest in Najaf, the heart of Shiite religious power, since the American-led invasion in 2003. It took place on the fourth anniversary of the fall of Baghdad, and it was an obvious effort by Mr. Sadr to show the extent of his influence here in Iraq, even though he did not appear at the rally. Mr. Sadr went underground after the American military began a new security push in Baghdad on Feb. 14, and his whereabouts are unknown.
Biggest demonstration since 2003 .... Heckuva Job W! |
damn right greatest military victory in history of war
best part is after we leave those caml cock sucking muslim fucks will just keep thinning the heard of muslim scum by killing each other for years to come....
THANKS GW your the best |
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| Crazytree |
Quote: Originally posted by Holy Elvis
best part is after we leave those caml cock sucking muslim fucks will just keep thinning the heard of muslim scum by killing each other for years to come.... |
ladies and gentlemen I present to you, the genocidal moron... surely a welcome member of the SFN Republican Party.
otherwise I call on NCMike, Stonewall and DUDE-HERE to condemn this call to genocide publicly. |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Crazytree
ladies and gentlemen I present to you, the genocidal moron... surely a welcome member of the SFN Republican Party.
otherwise I call on NCMike, Stonewall and DUDE-HERE to condemn this call to genocide publicly. |
I wasn't on your list, but I am a proud Republican and I will denounce such a moronic comment. One of the main reasons why the Democratic demand for a percipitous withdrawal is so idiotic is because doing so would lead to a slaughter. |
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Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
I wasn't on your list, but I am a proud Republican and I will denounce such a moronic comment. One of the main reasons why the Democratic demand for a percipitous withdrawal is so idiotic is because doing so would lead to a slaughter. |
I applaud your condemnation of HolyElvis. |
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Quote: damn right greatest military victory in history of war
best part is after we leave those caml cock sucking muslim fucks will just keep thinning the heard of muslim scum by killing each other for years to come....
THANKS GW your the best |
You can bet your bottom dollar when junior here isn't on the internets acting like a retard , anywhere he goes in public he's quiet as a church mouse, and judging from his other posts with his
preoccupation of homosexuals, has a boyfriend on the side to boot |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheTurd
the Democratic demand for a percipitous withdrawal is so idiotic is because doing so would lead to a slaughter. |
Ever hear of the Iraq Study Group?
Idiot.
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
Ever hear of the Iraq Study Group?
Idiot.
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If you bothered to read the ISG report, you would know that what the Democrats are proposing is not what the ISG recommended.
Perhaps you could go to the bookstore and buy a "ISG Report for Dummies" reference guide. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
If you bothered to read the ISG report, you would know that what the Democrats are proposing is not what the ISG recommended.
Perhaps you could go to the bookstore and buy a "ISG Report for Dummies" reference guide. |
So you're saying that "withdrawal" is not a part of the Baker-Hamilton solution?
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Military concerns:
The report contains many recommendations concerning the continued usage of military forces to achieve the goals of the United States. Only five pages of the report address U.S. troop levels, however: "More than 30 pages of the report consist of biographies of commission members and lists of people they interviewed; we counted just five pages devoted to the matter of U.S. troop levels in Iraq. . . ."[12] Increasing those levels was not considered in depth as it was not considered a viable option. Panel members say they were not given a mandate to consider increasing the number of American troops in Iraq because their military briefers dismissed out of hand the premise that it was possible to increase the number of American troops in Iraq, on grounds that not enough were available.[12] The report recommends instead envisaging the removal of all U.S. troops from Iraq by 2008.[13]
In the section in which the report assesses "the Current Situation in Iraq," in considering "Security" (Section A.1.), it states:
Attacks against U.S., Coalition, and Iraqi security forces are persistent and growing. October 2006 was the deadline month for U.S. forces since January 2005, with 102 Americans killed. Total attacks in october 2006 averaged 180 per day, up from 70 per day in January 2006. Daily attacks against Iraqi security forces in October were more than double the level in January. Attacks against civilians in October were four times higher than in January. Some 3,000 Iraqi civilians are killed every month. (3)
In the same chapter, discussing "U.S., Coalition, and Iraqi Forces," the report suggests several causes for these consequences, chiefly the difficulties facing "the Multi-National Forces–Iraq under U.S. command, working in concert with Iraq's security forces," in "confronting this violence." In its subsection on the "Iraqi Forces," the report observes that while "The Iraqi Army is making fitful progress toward becoming a reliable and disciplined fighting force loyal to the national government," some "significant questions remain about the ethnic composition and loyalties of some Iraqi units––specifically, whether they will carry out missions on behalf of national goals instead of a sectarian agenda" (8), detailing these problems (8-9). The Report observes, for example, a significant gap in funding for the Iraq defense forces: "The entire appropriation for Iraqi defense forces for FY 2006 ($3 billion) is less than the United States currently spends in Iraq every two weeks" (9). It observes that the Iraqi Army "is also confronted by several other challenges": the "units" of the Iraqi Army lack adequate "leadership," "equipment," "personnel," "logistics and support," including "the ability to sustain their operations," "the capability to transport supplies and troops and the capacity to provide their own indirect fire support, technical intelligence, and medical evacuation." The Iraq Study Group predicts that the Iraqi Army "will depend on the United States for logistics and support through at least 2007."[14] |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
So you're saying that "withdrawal" is not a part of the Baker-Hamilton solution?
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No, what I'm saying is that the ISG called for a responsible withdrawal - as we train the Iraqi forces and hand over control we reduce our military presence.
Nowhere in the ISG is a call for a set timetable that disregards the situation on the ground. This is what the Democrats are trying to push into the funding bill.
There's a big difference between the two. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
No, what I'm saying is that the ISG called for a responsible withdrawal - as we train the Iraqi forces and hand over control we reduce our military presence.
Nowhere in the ISG is a call for a set timetable that disregards the situation on the ground. This is what the Democrats are trying to push into the funding bill.
There's a big difference between the two. |
"The report recommends...removal of ALL US troops from Iraq by 2008."
Ignorant AND illiterate.
Way to expose yourself 'roach.
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
"The report recommends...removal of ALL US troops from Iraq by 2008."
Ignorant AND illiterate.
Way to expose yourself 'roach.
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Oops, you left out the part where the ISG states that troops should be withdrawn by that date if their recommendations are followed and if things go according to their plan. In other words, conditions on the ground ultimately dictate a complete withdrawal.
Nice try. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheTurd
Oops, you left out the part where the ISG states that troops should be withdrawn by that date if their recommendations are followed and if things go according to their plan. In other words, conditions on the ground ultimately dictate a complete withdrawal.
Nice try. |
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
You are a fucking joke!
Like a typical Bush ball-licking faggot, you have NO sense of shame...
LYING CUNT!!!
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
You are a fucking joke!
Like a typical Bush ball-licking faggot, you have NO sense of shame...
LYING CUNT!!!
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Oh really bright one?
Hey, don't take my word for it. Let's put your cut and paste from some left-wing propaganda website aside from a minute and let's look at a quote from the actual report.
Here's the link to the ISG report -
http://www.usip.org/isg/iraq_study_...roup_report.pdf
Here's what the ISG has to say about a precipitous withdrawal (what the Democrats have put into the funding bill - a withdraw, date certain, irregardless of conditions on the ground):
"Because of the importance of Iraq, the potential for catastrophe, and the role and commitments of the United States in initiating events that have led to the current situation, we believe it would be wrong for the United States to abandon the country through a precipitate withdrawal of troops and support. A premature American departure from Iraq would almost certainly produce greater sectarian violence and further deterioration of conditions, leading to a number of the adverse consequences outlined above. The near-term results would be a significant power vacuum, greater human suffering, regional destabilization, and a threat to the global economy. Al Qaeda would depict our withdrawal as a historic victory. If we leave and Iraq descends into chaos, the long-range consequences could eventually require the United States to return."
That's on page 30.
You can ramble on all you want about cockroaches and me being a liar - the facts speak for themselves.
Hey, I'm looking out for you here - stay away from the far-left nutroot websites because you're digesting propaganda. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Here's what the ISG has to say about a precipitous withdrawal (what the Democrats have put into the funding bill - a withdraw, date certain, irregardless of conditions on the ground): |
2008 isn't "precipitious", but it IS 2008. No one is advocating "precipitous" anything.
"The report recommends...removal of ALL US troops from Iraq by 2008."
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