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| Jeton |
:omfg:
Join the New York Civil Liberties Union and NARAL Pro-Choice NY at the south end of Union Square Park at 5:30 TODAY to denounce the decision, mobilize New Yorkers and talk about the importance of getting active to protect a woman’s right to choose.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/u...&hp&oref=slogin
April 18, 2007
Supreme Court Upholds Ban on Abortion Procedure
By DAVID STOUT
WASHINGTON, April 18 — The Supreme Court narrowly upheld a federal law today banning a controversial abortion procedure, giving the anti-abortion movement one of its biggest legal victories in years.
The justices ruled, 5 to 4, that a law passed by Congress in 2003 and signed by President Bush does not violate the Constitution by imposing an undue burden on a woman’s right to end a pregnancy. The majority said its ruling reflects the government’s “legitimate, substantial interest in preserving and promoting fetal life.”
“The act, on its face, is not void for vagueness and does not impose an undue burden from any overbreadth,” Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote for the court, rejecting key arguments of the law’s opponents.
The majority upheld the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act, whose very name can set off heated debate. The procedure addressed is known medically as “intact dilation and evacuation” or “D and X,” short for dilation and extraction. It involves partly removing an intact fetus, then destroying the skull to complete the abortion.
Doctors and other abortion-rights advocates who challenged the law maintained that the procedure is often the safest to use late in the pregnancy, because it minimizes the chances of injury to the uterus.
The court majority said that the 2003 law would not affect most abortions, which are performed early in a pregnancy; that the law does not encourage “arbitrary or discriminatory enforcement,” and that alternatives to the prohibited procedure are available. Justice Kennedy was joined by Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr.
Critics of the law had attacked it in part because it does not provide for a broad exception to protect the health of the woman. It does, however, provide for an exception to safe a woman’s life.Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg called the majority decision “alarming” and a retreat from the court’s earlier holdings. “It tolerates, indeed applauds, federal intervention to ban nationwide a procedure found necessary and proper in certain cases by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists,” Justice Ginsburg wrote, in a dissent joined by Justices John Paul Stevens, David H. Souter and Stephen G. Breyer.
The ruling overturned findings of several lower federal courts that had found the 2003 law unconstitutional. Today’s ruling is also a change of course from a Supreme Court ruling in 2000, when the lineup of justices was different, striking down a Nebraska law banning the procedure. Justice Kennedy was among the dissenters who would have upheld the Nebraska law.
Justice Ginsburg was so disappointed in today’s ruling that she took the highly unusual step of reading part of her dissent from the bench.
As for the fact that most abortions are performed early in pregnancy, and the majority’s assertion that alternatives to the prohibited procedure are available for later in pregnancies, Justice Ginsburg said adolescents and indigent women have more trouble obtaining an abortion early, so today’s ruling could put them at a disadvantage.
Justice Ginsburg also took issue with language in the law finding a “consensus” that the banned procedure is never necessary.
But the majority said disagreements within the medical community constituted no obstacle to the 2003 law. “The court has given state and federal legislatures wide discretion to pass legislation in areas where there is medical and scientific uncertainty,” Justice Kennedy wrote. “Medical uncertainty does not foreclose the exercise of legislative power in the abortion context any more than it does in other contexts.”
Today’s decision gave the anti-abortion forces what they had hoped for with the more conservative makeup of the high court since Justice Alito replaced Justice Sandra Day O’Connor. Abortion opponents are sure to be pleased by some of the language in Justice Kennedy’s opinion, including his observation that “the government may use its voice and its regulatory authority to show its profound respect for the life within the woman.”
The ruling is surely not the last word on abortion, either legally or politically, and it immediately reflected the deep divides that have long characterized the issue.
“I applaud the court for its ruling today,” Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio, the Republican minority leader in the House of Representatives, told The Associated Press. “My hope is that it sets the stage for further progress in the fight to ensure our nation’s laws respect the sanctity of unborn human life.”
But Eve Gartner of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America said the ruling “flies in the face of 30 years of Supreme Court precedent and the best interest of women’s health and safety.” The ruling sends the signal that “politicians, not doctors,” will make health-care decisions for women.
President Bush applauded today’s ruling as “an affirmation of the progress we have made over the past six years in protecting human dignity and upholding the sanctity of life.” President Bill Clinton twice vetoed laws banning the procedure at issue.
Abortion is sure to be an issue in the 2008 presidential campaign, and perhaps for many campaigns to come. Senator John McCain of Arizona, who is seeking the Republican nomination, called today’s ruling “a victory for those who cherish the sanctity of life and integrity of the judiciary.”
But Representative Carolyn B. Maloney, Democrat of New York, said the ruling “will tie doctors’ hands and jeopardize women’s health.”
People who believe that a woman should be able to choose abortion may see today’s outcome as a threat to Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion under certain circumstances. Opponents hope it will pose just that kind of threat.
Roberta Combs, president of the Christian Coalition of America, said: “With today’s Supreme Court decision, it is just a matter of time before the infamous Roe v. Wade decision in 1973 will also be struck down by the court.” |
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| Tom from T.O. |
| Wait a minute? I thought it was the socialist/commies that shred constitutional rights? How did the reactionary fascists get in on the act? Must be an anomaly....get your guns out tonight just to make sure. Fire off a few rounds and we can all go to sleep knowing the basis of all democracy, guns, is still standing guard on our rights. |
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| beyonddreams |
Quote: Originally posted by sickfeeling
as a firm believer in choice, I applaud this.
/sorry
//there are limits to everything
///I want to have GAytonys abortion |
huh ? this takes away a womens choice, and gives the G'ovt the ability to force an unwanted birth.
its bullshit. Give women back their rights !!! what is this the middle ages ?? |
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| flymo |
| Quote: It does, however, provide for an exception to safe a woman’s life. |
The NY Times doesn't recognize the difference between save and safe? |
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| Lou Cypher |
Quote: Originally posted by beyonddreams
huh ? this takes away a womens choice, and gives the G'ovt the ability to force an unwanted birth.
its bullshit. Give women back their rights !!! what is this the middle ages ?? |
Any woman intelligent enough to make the choice should also be compassionate enough to do it before the second or third trimester. |
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| Jeton |
| sorry, sorry...got a phonecall. its actually mostly 3rd trimester abortions affected...buyt the procedure can be 2nd as well. |
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| beyonddreams |
Quote: Originally posted by Lou Cypher
Any woman intelligent enough to make the choice should also be compassionate enough to do it before the second or third trimester. |
Whatever, its her choice either way, its her body, she can decide.
9 months can seem like a lifetime for a pregnant women, dont force her to give birth.
its human torture beyond anyones nightmare. |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by Tom from T.O.
Wait a minute? I thought it was the socialist/commies that shred constitutional rights? How did the reactionary fascists get in on the act? Must be an anomaly....get your guns out tonight just to make sure. Fire off a few rounds and we can all go to sleep knowing the basis of all democracy, guns, is still standing guard on our rights. |
shut up stupid, i say everywhere that rightwingers try to destroy the 1st Amendment and leftwingers keep trying to destroy the 2nd Amendment. fukn idiots, all....now suck me.:hw: |
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| beyonddreams |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
sorry, sorry...got a phonecall. its actually mostly 3rd trimester abortions affected...buyt the procedure can be 2nd as well. |
Get that shit straight, you were starting to piss me off.
not that 3rd is any better, the women will know what to do, not some Mans law. |
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| relsh |
| good. 3rd trimester abortion is barbaric. |
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| HighPitchHoward |
| As long as they don't take away my right to masturbate to lesbian porn. |
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| Barhat |
| Total bullshit, Bubba should play a game of baby abortion roulette to protest this |
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| Ferretman |
Hey GT, I have a question for you. I am being serious, I want your honest opinion. Do not take this as hate, I am just curious where you think this is going.
Science is only moments away from telling prospective parents about their children's sexual leanings. It has been hypothesized that many of these future parents which are pro choice(or other), may choose to terminate their child if it has a likelihood of being Homosexual.
So do you think many in the Gay community will change their support for the Pro-Choice movement? Or do you see this as a separate issue.
I respect your opinion, and I know you know that already. |
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| Jeton |
the email mentioning the protest...:
Today marks a dark day for women’s health and safety, reproductive rights and civil liberties. In a 5-4 decision announced this morning, the Supreme Court upheld the 2003 Federal Abortion Ban, disregarding over 30 years of established law and effectively banning most second-trimester abortions – without even an exception for situations in which a woman’s health is in danger.
This radical ruling is the first by the Supreme Court to legislate a specific medical procedure. It’s a setback not just for women but for all Americans who believe medical decisions should be made by patients and their doctors, not by politicians.
Now is the time to make our voices clear: The government must get out of our clinics, and the Federal Abortion Ban must come off the books.
Join the New York Civil Liberties Union and NARAL Pro-Choice NY at the south end of Union Square Park at 5:30 TODAY to denounce the decision, mobilize New Yorkers and talk about the importance of getting active to protect a woman’s right to choose. |
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| Lou Cypher |
Quote: Originally posted by beyonddreams
Whatever, its her choice either way, its her body, she can decide.
9 months can seem like a lifetime for a pregnant women, dont force her to give birth.
its human torture beyond anyones nightmare. |
To kill a baby in the third trimester isn't more torturous? Yes, 9 months can seem endless when you're pregnant, but if you don't want the child, you don't have to carry it that long. I don't understand your viewpoint. |
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| hingefactor |
| While i'm against outlawing abortion in any way, the though of a women waiting that long to do so is pretty depressing. |
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| Blazers22 |
Quote: Originally posted by Lou Cypher
Any woman intelligent enough to make the choice should also be compassionate enough to do it before the second or third trimester. |
exactly. why the wait? |
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| Ferretman |
Quote: Originally posted by sickfeeling
not even close.
however red haired boys and midgets will be scarce |
"Moments" may have been the wrong word choice, but it is coming soon. I can find the article and be more accurate, but if memory serves me, it was within a few years. |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by Ferretman
Hey GT, I have a question for you. I am being serious, I want your honest opinion. Do not take this as hate, I am just curious where you think this is going.
Science is only moments away from telling prospective parents about their children's sexual leanings. It has been hypothesized that many of these future parents which are pro choice(or other), may choose to terminate their child if it has a likelihood of being Homosexual.
So do you think many in the Gay community will change their support for the Pro-Choice movement? Or do you see this as a separate issue.
I respect your opinion, and I know you know that already. |
hard to say where the bulk of human opinion will go day to day, but personally i'm an abortion rights absolutist: everyone owns their own body...THERE IS NO POINT EVER AT WHICH A WOMAN MAY BE TURNED INTO AN INVOLUNTARY BROODMARE...to not concede that is to be literally Satanic.
Nevertheless, abortion is indeed MURDER in any trimester...it becomes a moral argument to pursuade some that their children are worth keeping alive. As for pregnancies with gay children, the fact remains that queer people are here for an evolutionary reason: we are a grossly disproportionate percentile of history's greatest thinkers. Any community that makes a habit of aborting children for gayness will invariably end up dumber and less competetive for it. |
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| pizzaman1 |
| Sorry. If the ACLU is involved I aint supportin' shit |
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| beyonddreams |
Quote: Originally posted by Lou Cypher
To kill a baby in the third trimester isn't more torturous? Yes, 9 months can seem endless when you're pregnant, but if you don't want the child, you don't have to carry it that long. I don't understand your viewpoint. |
You never will because you're not a woman. Its her choice, case closed. |
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| Marinolaw |
I am an advocate of Choice, however, this particular procedure is simply beyond barbaric. The fetus is delivered into the birth canal and then its head crushed and the contents emptied.
The procedure is not banned if the mother's life is in danger. Additionally this type of abortion is very rarely used. 90% of all abortions occur in the first 12 weeks.
The ramifications of this decision are mostly symbolic. |
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| Lou Cypher |
Quote: Originally posted by beyonddreams
You never will because you're not a woman. Its her choice, case closed. |
No. I never will because you're not making sense. Oh, and for the record, I'm a woman and a mother. :) |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by Marinolaw
I am an advocate of Choice, however, this particular procedure is simply beyond barbaric. The fetus is delivered into the birth canal and then its head crushed and the contents emptied.
The procedure is not banned if the mother's life is in danger. Additionally this type of abortion is very rarely used. 90% of all abortions occur in the first 12 weeks.
The ramifications of this decision are mostly symbolic. |
:rolleye2: ALL abortion is barbaric, but there's no point at whihc women become brood mares. ALL adults own themselves and their bodies fully.
why don't we just force women into stirrups for the whole 3rd trimester? :rolleyes: |
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| Ferretman |
Good points GT, and very honest.
Thanks. |
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| arties pancreas |
| Only whores get abortions |
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| beyonddreams |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
:rolleye2: ALL abortion is barbaric, but there's no point at whihc women become brood mares. ALL adults own themselves and their bodies fully.
why don't we just force women into stirrups for the whole 3rd trimester? :rolleyes: |
And its not barbaric to force an unwanted pregnancy on a woman ???
Its a womans choice !!!! not the G'ovt, what part of that dont you understand ?? |
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| MatthewT |
thank god, no more stabbing babies in the head
although a gay guy is about the last one to have an opinion on this, no? |
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| MatthewT |
Quote: Originally posted by beyonddreams
And its not barbaric to force an unwanted pregnancy on a woman ???
Its a womans choice !!!! not the G'ovt, what part of that dont you understand ?? |
the point where there are two people involved, and one of them can't talk yet
what are you, fuckin retarded? |
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| arties pancreas |
| THis should be in WGAS or in the politics forum |
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| MatthewT |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
:rolleye2: ALL abortion is barbaric, but there's no point at whihc women become brood mares. ALL adults own themselves and their bodies fully.
why don't we just force women into stirrups for the whole 3rd trimester? :rolleyes: |
sweet! we can kill kids then, too! :dancin: |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by beyonddreams
And its not barbaric to force an unwanted pregnancy on a woman ???
Its a womans choice !!!! not the G'ovt, what part of that dont you understand ?? |
are you retarded? i am PROCHOICE, PRO RIGHT-TO-ABORT!!
WHAT I WONT EVER DO IS PRETEND ABORTION IS NOT MURDER, BECAUSE IT IS. |
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| MattyBags |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
sorry, sorry...got a phonecall. its actually mostly 3rd trimester abortions affected...buyt the procedure can be 2nd as well. |
I support GT, who the fuck is Jeton? :scratch: |
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| beyonddreams |
Quote: Originally posted by MatthewT
the point where there are two people involved, and one of them can't talk yet
what are you, fuckin retarded? |
An unborn fetus is not a person dickwad. The person is the woman and what she has to endure for 9 months you will not understand unless you've been there.
The woman is the one to make that choice NOBODY ELSE !!! |
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| DRINKGUINNESS |
People can, and will, continue to debate whether a fetus is actually a living child.
As for me, as soon as I saw the first sonogram of either of my kids, it was confirmation that, although inside the womb, they were, in fact, living, feeling, beings.
I just find it disturbing that there are enough women wanting 3rd trimester abortions to even warrant such a discussion. Regardless of whether it's a rape baby, incest, etc, etc, the mother should know what she wants to do way before the 3rd trimester, and anyone that makes that decision in the 3rd tri is a fucking worthless piece of shit.
BTW, I am pro-choice, but I detest these twats that use abortion as a form of birth control, instead of taking a pill, or sucking the dick. |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by MatthewT
the point where there are two people involved, and one of them can't talk yet
what are you, fuckin retarded? |
the rights of the fetus can never equal the rights of the mother, until such time as a fetus may be teleported harmlessly from a womb. until then, the zygote/embryo/fetus will always be a parasite subject to the tolerance of the gestating mother. to do ANYTHING else reduces women to a position of physical dignity lower than that of a female giraffe or a female rat. |
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| relsh |
Quote: Originally posted by beyonddreams
You never will because you're not a woman. Its her choice, case closed. |
bullshit......it shouldn't be her choice alone. she can't create a child on her own. by law, she's not expected to raise a child on her own.
nature/genetics determined that two sexes are necessary to cause birth....but only one need be the vessel.
we're not talking about whether she wants to pierce her ear.....or chop off her own finger, which oddly enough, would get her punished to a far greater degree (mental institutionalization) than killing a fetus. it's not simply her body....a man's genes comprise half of what grows in her............... and thus it is not only her decision. |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by relsh
bullshit......it shouldn't be her choice alone. she can't create a child on her own. by law, she's not expected to raise a child on her own.
nature/genetics determined that two sexes are necessary to cause birth....but only one need be the vessel.
we're not talking about whether she wants to pierce her ear.....or chop off her own finger, which oddly enough, would get her punished to a far greater degree (mental institutionalization) than killing a fetus. it's not simply her body....a man's genes comprise half of what grows in her............... and thus it is not only her decision. |
eat shit and die violently, all people get to govern their own bodies, including women. no one is your womb-slave...:saiyan: |
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| relsh |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
eat shit and die violently, all people get to govern their own bodies, including women. no one is your womb-slave...:saiyan: |
i expected a better/ more rational argument from you as to why i'm wrong....with interesting points and such. :( |
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| DRINKGUINNESS |
| So a father has zero rights? |
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| Lou Cypher |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
the rights of the fetus can never equal the rights of the mother, until such time as a fetus may be teleported harmlessly from a womb. until then, the zygote/embryo/fetus will always be a parasite subject to the tolerance of the gestating mother. |
Babies have survived outside the womb at 5 or 6 months. The decision should be made in the first trimester.
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
to do ANYTHING else reduces women to a position of physical dignity lower than that of a female giraffe or a female rat. |
What?! You've got to be kidding. Any indignity to a woman who waits until the third trimester to ask for an abortion is self-inflicted. |
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| MatthewT |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
eat shit and die violently, all people get to govern their own bodies, including women. no one is your womb-slave...:saiyan: |
THERE'S TWO FUCKING BODIES ATTACHED BY AN UMBILICAL CORD!!!!
goddamn you pro-death people can be fucking dense
derf, it's not alive; derf, it's the woman's body; derf, it's only a clump of tissues
:freak:
although i do wish i could perform some 60-80th trimester abortions on most of you assholes :jj: |
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| MatthewT |
Quote: Originally posted by DRINKGUINNESS
So a father has zero rights? |
that unfortunately is true :drunk:
watch where you put your dick; the bitch may kill your kid |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by beyonddreams
An unborn fetus is not a person dickwad. The person is the woman and what she has to endure for 9 months you will not understand unless you've been there.
The woman is the one to make that choice NOBODY ELSE !!! |
STFU...all this bullshit denying the human life and worth of the fetus is what created this debacle. Roe v Wade recognized an important legal right using absurd legal reasoning: it used a TRIMESTER approach. at the height of the Nixon Era the plaintiffs arguing Roe were afraid to argue purely from the perspective of Liberty and Ownership Of Self...they feared the Court would see that as an open door to drug legalization, women's rights and gay rights. so the Roe plaintiffs made up this bullshit about "as far as the 14th Amendment is concerned, the 1st and 2nd trimester fetus is not a person. of course, we would never assert that about 3rd trimester fetuses, who do fall under the definition of 'personhood'".
No less a feminist than Ruth Bader Ginsburg warned decades ago that Roe is a ticking timebomb of legal sloppiness, and luckily Sandra OConnor replaced Roe with the "Undue Burden" test...which today's Court also struck down in part. Roe did the damage already...politically, it created a whole class of grad-school robots and media libertines (like Howard and Bill Maher) claiming "the fetus aint alive maaaaan". the gross lie they told has been women in the ass.
Abort if you must, at any point in a pregnancy....but dont pretend it's anything other than what it is...MURDER. pretending so has been politically untenable. |
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| Ferretman |
Women have the right to abort the fetus. If a woman is punched in the stomach and miscarries, the person can be charged with murder. I believe this is correct.
My point, this debate is wholly fucked up. I am pro-choice, but I'll admit it feels disgusting to say so. As intelligent beings, we should be able to better ourselves some day, where abortion is not needed much at all, because we have simply become more responsible. |
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| MatthewT |
and we're not talking about third trimester, people; we're talking about delivering a full term baby and then sticking a shunt into its head and sucking out its brain
fucking barbaric is hardly the word for it; it's evil |
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| MatthewT |
Quote: Originally posted by Ferretman
Women have the right to abort the fetus. If a woman is punched in the stomach and miscarries, the person can be charged with murder. I believe this is correct.
My point, this debate is wholly fucked up. I am pro-choice, but I'll admit it feels disgusting to say so. As intelligent beings, we should be able to better ourselves some day, where abortion is not needed much at all, because we have simply become more responsible. |
women have the right to commit murder? :freak: |
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| ants B list lvr |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
eat shit and die violently, all people get to govern their own bodies, including women. no one is your womb-slave...:saiyan: |
i agree with you about a womans right to her own body but shouldnt there be more stringent regs for women who wait that long??i mean i can find out within 3 days of conception that i am preggo now..so why are women waiting 5 months to have the procedure... |
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| MatthewT |
| 9. 9 fucking months. this baby is coming out and it's slaughtered. might as well run through the nursery at the hospital with an axe. it's that fucking sick. |
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| relsh |
Quote: Originally posted by DRINKGUINNESS
So a father has zero rights? |
of course not. ;)
too many pro-abortionists feel the need to fall into the same trap as their civil rights leader breathren, and overcompensate the "victim". women have been mistreated and wronged for centuries concerning sexual practices and "baby-making" and thus, they must now swing the pendulum all the way to the other side. |
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| davevandam |
| Hey Tony.. here's some advice. |
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| clevelandgirl |
| Go visit some pre mature babies in the hospital and then tell me that these 3rd trimester babies aren't human beings. |
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| MatthewT |
and the fucks that they get to do DNX's are the creepiest fucks in the country; how they can remain doctors is way, way beyond my understanding.
Do no harm.
Kill this child.
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by MatthewT
THERE'S TWO FUCKING BODIES ATTACHED BY AN UMBILICAL CORD!!!!
goddamn you pro-death people can be fucking dense
derf, it's not alive; derf, it's the woman's body; derf, it's only a clump of tissues
:freak:
although i do wish i could perform some 60-80th trimester abortions on most of you assholes :jj: |
EXACTLY. there are TWO people there. person A can survive without person B, person N cannot survive without person A. Person A is cannot be subordinated to Person B.
a wanted pregnancy is a symbiotic gestation. an unwanted pregnacy is a parasitic infection. get it thru your thik fukn head. |
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| Yuckos Girl |
Quote: Originally posted by Lou Cypher
Any woman intelligent enough to make the choice should also be compassionate enough to do it before the second or third trimester. |
I agree! I am all for pro-choice the first trimester. Any girl should be able to make a decision by then end of 12 weeks wether they are prepared enough to handle the responsibility of a baby. 2nd tri-mester abortion should only be done if there is serious damage to the fetus but I am definately against 3rd trimester and most 2nd tri-mester.
If they threaten to take away right to abortion for 1st tri-mester pregnancies then we have a serious fucking problem and I will be the first to march in pro-test.
I hate all the "Pro-Life" people that are so obsessed with the idea of pro-life yet kill doctor's and make bomb threats....makes no sense. It's a choice for a reason, if you don't agree with it -don't do it. Period. |
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| MatthewT |
a baby is NEVER a parasitic infection
that's the fuckin lamest thing i ever heard
you were that size you stupid fuck; were you a parasitic infection? |
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| MatthewT |
you fuckin pro-death people with your worship of science suddenly get stupid as fuck when it comes to how humans procreate
at least you admit it's a murder, even though for some fuckin reason you think it's okay for some people to be allowed to murder others in society for whatever the fuck reason |
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| clevelandgirl |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
EXACTLY. there are TWO people there. person A can survive without person B, person N cannot survive without person A. Person A is cannot be subordinated to Person B.
a wanted pregnancy is a symbiotic gestation. an unwanted pregnacy is a parasitic infection. get it thru your thik fukn head. |
A baby that has been in the womb until the third trimester can survive. They're called preemies. Granted, they do need medical intervention, but they can and in most cases do survive.
How can a woman not have made this decision within the first 12 weeks of pregnancy? 3 months is long enough to get the procedure done if that's their choice.
Abortion is not birth control. Period. :mad: :mad: |
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| ants B list lvr |
Quote: Originally posted by Yuckos Girl
I agree! I am all for pro-choice the first trimester. Any girl should be able to make a decision by then end of 9 weeks wether they are prepared enough to handle the responsibility of a baby. 2nd tri-mester abortion should only be done if there is serious damage to the fetus but I am definately against 3rd trimester and most 2nd tri-mester.
If they threaten to take away right to abortion for 1st tri-mester pregnancies then we have a serious fucking problem and I will be the first to march in pro-test.
I hate all the "Pro-Life" people that are so obsessed with the idea of pro-life yet kill doctor's and make bomb threats....makes no sense. It's a choice for a reason, if you don't agree with it -don't do it. Period. |
right on sister!!! |
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| MatthewT |
Quote: Originally posted by Yuckos Girl
I agree! I am all for pro-choice the first trimester. Any girl should be able to make a decision by then end of 9 weeks wether they are prepared enough to handle the responsibility of a baby. 2nd tri-mester abortion should only be done if there is serious damage to the fetus but I am definately against 3rd trimester and most 2nd tri-mester.
If they threaten to take away right to abortion for 1st tri-mester pregnancies then we have a serious fucking problem and I will be the first to march in pro-test.
I hate all the "Pro-Life" people that are so obsessed with the idea of pro-life yet kill doctor's and make bomb threats....makes no sense. It's a choice for a reason, if you don't agree with it -don't do it. Period. |
how come you're not VIP? and congratulations by the way :D
9 week babies look like babies too, tho; 2nd trimester babies shouldn't be euthanized for eugenics; nobody is threatining to "take away" shit; there's very few partial birth abortions; it's just so fuckin heinous that we allow this...until now, that is :dancin: |
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| O-Qua TanginWan |
| Abortion should be legal even past the due date if the kid hasn't been born yet. |
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| Froggy |
| there may be a solution to this: many of the justices and pro-life politicians are around 60 yrs old - we have to legislate a legalized 180th trimester abortion. |
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| Yuckos Girl |
Quote: Originally posted by MatthewT
you fuckin pro-death people with your worship of science suddenly get stupid as fuck when it comes to how humans procreate
at least you admit it's a murder, even though for some fuckin reason you think it's okay for some people to be allowed to murder others in society for whatever the fuck reason |
I am pro-choice 1st trimester all the way. Mistakes happen and it would be better if someone made that decision early on instead of being forced to have a baby they may not be able to care for or provide for financially.
I have seen too many young girls (13,14) getting pregnant and having babies when they were still growing up themselves. |
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| cocksmacker |
| I'm still pushing for a law allowing post-birth abortion for blaeks. |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by ants B list lvr
i agree with you about a womans right to her own body but shouldnt there be more stringent regs for women who wait that long??i mean i can find out within 3 days of conception that i am preggo now..so why are women waiting 5 months to have the procedure... |
allkinds of reasons...there can be no ticking clock on how long a person owns themselves..."better decide quick before the MANDATORY STIRRUP CONFINEMENT kicks in!" ??? FUCK THAT SHIT!@ |
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| MatthewT |
| if only there were some people telling those 13 and 14 year old girls not to have sex :bigthink: |
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| Yuckos Girl |
Quote: Originally posted by clevelandgirl
A baby that has been in the womb until the third trimester can survive. They're called preemies. Granted, they do need medical intervention, but they can and in most cases do survive.
How can a woman not have made this decision within the first 12 weeks of pregnancy? 3 months is long enough to get the procedure done if that's their choice.
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| kmkomr |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
EXACTLY. there are TWO people there. person A can survive without person B, person N cannot survive without person A. Person A is cannot be subordinated to Person B.
a wanted pregnancy is a symbiotic gestation. an unwanted pregnacy is a parasitic infection. get it thru your thik fukn head. |
Damn GayTony, you're really smart. Too bad your opinions are freaking retarded. You're seriously aligning yourself with NARAL and the ACLU and NAMBLA??? Everyone in those organizations should choke themselves. |
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| ants B list lvr |
| watching oprah today is making me wish i had been aborted...what a bottom feeding cunt!! |
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| MatthewT |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
allkinds of reasons...there can be no ticking clock on how long a person owns themselves..."better decide quick before the MANDATORY STIRRUP CONFINEMENT kicks in!" ??? FUCK THAT SHIT!@ |
the funniest thing in this thread is your apparent fear of stirrups. admit it. you love them.
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by clevelandgirl
A baby that has been in the womb until the third trimester can survive. They're called preemies. Granted, they do need medical intervention, but they can and in most cases do survive.
How can a woman not have made this decision within the first 12 weeks of pregnancy? 3 months is long enough to get the procedure done if that's their choice.
Abortion is not birth control. Period. :mad: :mad: |
abortion is whatever a woman wants it to be, HER BODY ALONE. your reasoning is so inherently dangerous it's just another sad example of poor education. do you have any idea what you opne the door to with your reasoning? |
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| MatthewT |
| there's probably a better smilie for that out there :p |
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| kmkomr |
| MatthewT is right on the money. He's making the most sense out of everyone. Keep it up dude. |
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| MatthewT |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
abortion is whatever a woman wants it to be, HER BODY ALONE. your reasoning is so inherently dangerous it's just another sad example of poor education. do you have any idea what you opne the door to with your reasoning? |
THERE'S A LITTLE FUCKING BODY INSIDE OF HER!!!
what the fuck? when did you lose your fucking mind?
you're advocating slavery! |
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| Froggy |
Quote: Originally posted by MatthewT
the funniest thing in this thread is your apparent fear of stirrups. admit it. you love them.
:ass2mouth |
there would be much more acceptance of stirrups if they were available full-lined. |
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| Yuckos Girl |
Quote: Originally posted by MatthewT
if only there were some people telling those 13 and 14 year old girls not to have sex :bigthink: |
There are! Teens don't listen! We had sex ed classes from 5th grade to jr. year. It doesn't matter how much prevention people try to do to avoid pre-marital sex or sexually active teenagers, they are still going to do it, regardless. And even if you preach safe sex, it's still going to happen and be an issue.
What they need to do to promote birth control is to bring teens to a parent's home that has screaming babies and kids and make them take care of them for 24 hours.
Everytime I go to visit my family I am reminded why I don't want to have kids-yet! ;) |
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| MatthewT |
Quote: Originally posted by kmkomr
MatthewT is right on the money. He's making the most sense out of everyone. Keep it up dude. |
that's because i lived in Paducah for 7 years :dancin: |
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| MatthewT |
Quote: Originally posted by Yuckos Girl
There are! Teens don't listen! We had sex ed classes from 5th grade to jr. year. It doesn't matter how much prevention people try to do to avoid pre-marital sex or sexually active teenagers, they are still going to do it, regardless. And even if you preach safe sex, it's still going to happen and be an issue.
What they need to do to promote birth control is to bring teens to a parent's home that has screaming babies and kids and make them take care of them for 24 hours.
Everytime I go to visit my family I am reminded why I don't want to have kids-yet! ;) |
hmmm, the explosion of teenage sex coincides with rampant sexual education in government schools :bigthink: |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by MatthewT
thank god, no more stabbing babies in the head
although a gay guy is about the last one to have an opinion on this, no? |
A gay guy has as much of an opinion as ANY guy, celibate, straight, eunuch... what's the difference?
They all have equally worthless opinions on the matter. |
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| SternJunkie |
I'm for womans right to choose........but the third trimester? I'm not for that. Thats 6 months and beyond?
By then it is clearly a kid and not just a fetus!
If born at this time, with the right medical care, the CHILD can survive outside of the womb.
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| ants B list lvr |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
allkinds of reasons...there can be no ticking clock on how long a person owns themselves..."better decide quick before the MANDATORY STIRRUP CONFINEMENT kicks in!" ??? FUCK THAT SHIT!@ |
i do agree with your overall view..ps;thanx for staying with your thread and answering everyone individually.. :) |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by MattyBags
I support GT, who the fuck is Jeton? :scratch: |
it's ME BABY!!!:hug: |
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| MatthewT |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
A gay guy has as much of an opinion as ANY guy, celibate, straight, eunuch... what's the difference?
They all have equally worthless opinions on the matter. |
then they can't call us breeders :mad:
and fuck your feminist logic too :jj: |
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| kmkomr |
Quote: Originally posted by Yuckos Girl
There are! Teens don't listen! We had sex ed classes from 5th grade to jr. year. It doesn't matter how much prevention people try to do to avoid pre-marital sex or sexually active teenagers, they are still going to do it, regardless. And even if you preach safe sex, it's still going to happen and be an issue.
What they need to do to promote birth control is to bring teens to a parent's home that has screaming babies and kids and make them take care of them for 24 hours.
Everytime I go to visit my family I am reminded why I don't want to have kids-yet! ;) |
You're right on the money too....I think all sex ed. classes should show an abortion. Why would pro-death folks be opposed to that? |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by MatthewT
THERE'S TWO FUCKING BODIES ATTACHED BY AN UMBILICAL CORD!!!!
goddamn you pro-death people can be fucking dense
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PRO DEATH!! LOL!!!
Wait a second, YOU'RE A NAZI!!!! |
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| clevelandgirl |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
abortion is whatever a woman wants it to be, HER BODY ALONE. your reasoning is so inherently dangerous it's just another sad example of poor education. do you have any idea what you opne the door to with your reasoning? |
I will take the high road on this one.
You're exactly right, Tony. I am poorly educated and my opinions don't matter because I disagree with you.
Have a nice afternoon. :) |
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| MatthewT |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
PRO DEATH!! LOL!!!
Wait a second, YOU'RE A NAZI!!!! |
YOU'RE A COMMIE!!!! LOL!!1!!1 |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by MatthewT
hmmm, the explosion of teenage sex coincides with rampant sexual education in government schools :bigthink: |
EXPLOSION of teenage sex? It's better to just have them raped or married at 13 rather than fuck each other I guess. |
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| MatthewT |
and for god's sake get rid of that winsty shit. you won; he's coming back.
bring back the Loon |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by MatthewT
YOU'RE A COMMIE!!!! LOL!!1!!1 |
And a registered Republican. Top that! |
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| MatthewT |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
EXPLOSION of teenage sex? It's better to just have them raped or married at 13 rather than fuck each other I guess. |
NOT WHEN I EXPLODE ONTO THEIR FACES!!! LOLZ!!1!! |
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| MatthewT |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
And a registered Republican. Top that! |
OMG U R TEH EVIL!!! |
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| ants B list lvr |
| there will never be a happy medium on this particular subject..the best thing to do therefore is vote your opinion or rally for it.. |
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| Jeton |
Quote: Originally posted by Lou Cypher
What?! You've got to be kidding. Any indignity to a woman who waits until the third trimester to ask for an abortion is self-inflicted. |
this is gross sophistry...any female giraffe or female rat can abort at any stage without social sanction. you would have society suborn a woman's personal ownership of herself for some duration...a Satanic idea requiring perhaps violent rebuke. |
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| MatthewT |
| ya gotta love the way Lenny can move a thread :p |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by MatthewT
then they can't call us breeders :mad:
and fuck your feminist logic too :jj: |
Fags and the like can breed, they just don't use their dicks right. Not to mention, the ones that aren't in the fashion industry are productive and innovative members of society b/c they're not obsessed with the pussay chase.
My feminist logic is just that... logic. |
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| MatthewT |
Quote: Originally posted by Jeton
this is gross sophistry...any female giraffe or female rat can abort at any stage without social sanction. you would have society suborn a woman's personal ownership of herself for some duration...a Satanic idea requiring perhaps violent rebuke. |
fuck you and your we are animals bullshit; not all of us buy into that shit
of course, not all of us are HIV infected POZ party attending power bottoms either |
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| lilbuddy67 |
I'm all for pro-choice, but 3rd trimester?!? Are you guys animals?
Why the fuck would anyone need to wait until 3 rd trimester, and spare me the whole mother's life being in danger. 75% of the cases are going to be dumb broads unable or unwilling to make a timely decision. |
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