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jetdog
A vote for Giuliani is a vote for the Saudis, Rupert Murdoch and Tobacco. Typical bought off Republican scumbag. Pay them enough they would lobby for Satan.
http://huffingtonpost.com/huff-wire...lianis-business
zimmie
Quote: Originally posted by jetdog
A vote for Giuliani is a vote for the Saudis, Rupert Murdoch and Tobacco. Typical bought off Republican scumbag. Pay them enough they would lobby for Satan.
http://huffingtonpost.com/huff-wire...lianis-business



Tobacco lobby and its influence in American politics




New Saint Louis University research finds pro-tobacco contributions speak louder to Democrats, but Republicans get more money -

A Saint Louis University study out this month in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine confirms conventional wisdom: money talks.

Those Congressmen who received contributions from tobacco industry groups were more likely to vote in favor of pro-tobacco laws, says Douglas A. Luke, Ph.D., director of the Center for Tobacco Policy Research at Saint Louis University School of Public Health.

"It confirms what people have known for a while but haven't really examined. Republicans take money from the industry and vote in the industry direction. But being a Democrat doesn't protect you from the influence of the industry."

While Republicans get more money from pro-tobacco interests, Democrats seem to be more influenced by the contributions they receive.

Luke examined pro-tobacco political action committee campaign contributions and votes between 1993 and 2000. He found that 220 Republicans and 140 Democrats legislators accepted more than $6.8 million in contributions. The relationship between contributions and pro-tobacco votes was three times stronger for Democrats than Republicans.

"Although Democrats, on average, vote pro-tobacco much less than Republicans, the percentage increase in pro-tobacco voting for every $1000 contribution for Democrats is nearly three times that of Republicans," Luke says. "The tobacco industry may get more bang for their buck by contributing money to Democrats."

Among Luke's findings:

-- Tobacco political action committees gave an average of $22,000 to each Republican in the Senate and $6,000 to each Democrat.

-- Regardless of whether they received contributions, Republicans voted pro-tobacco much more often - 73 percent of the time - while Democrats voted pro-tobacco only 23 percent of the time.

-- For every $10,000 that Democrats received from pro-tobacco groups, they were 9.8 percent more likely to vote for pro-tobacco policies.

-- For every $10,000 Republicans received, they were 3.5 percent more likely to vote pro-tobacco.


"The more campaign contributions received by a Congress member, the more likely he or she votes pro-tobacco on tobacco-related bills," Luke says. "This study also shows that political party is the most important predictor of voting behavior on tobacco related bills, with Republicans voting pro-tobacco more often than Democrats."

The study suggests strategies that tobacco control groups can use when trying to influence Congress in setting health policy, he adds.

"It is important for tobacco control advocates to work closely with political allies to ensure that tobacco industry political contributions are kept to a minimum," Luke says.

"In addition, those groups that promote public health policy need to work both sides of the aisle. It's too simplistic to look at Republicans as voting anti-health and to assume Democrats will vote in favor of measures that promote health."

Saint Louis University School of Public Health is one of only 36 fully accredited schools of public health in the United States and the nation's only School of Public Health sponsored by a Jesuit university. It offers masters degrees (MPH, MHA) and doctoral programs (Ph.D.) in six public health disciplines and joint degrees with the Schools of Allied Health, Business, Law, Medicine, Nursing and Social Service. It is home to seven nationally recognized research centers and laboratories with funding sources that include the National Institutes of Health, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Health Resources and Services Administration, the American Cancer Society, the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and the World Health Organization.
Luther
Any politician who supports illegalization of marijuana is under the influence of the tobacco lobby.
kali
holy cow, Luther!!! when did you become a "Gay Man"????



(btw, I have always believed drugs should be decriminalized)
Luther
Quote: Originally posted by kali
holy cow, Luther!!! when did you become a "Gay Man"????



(btw, I have always believed drugs should be decriminalized)




Soon after ihatecabbie did.
muddpuppy
Zimmie,

Did you even read the rest of the article?

Like this part:

"Among Luke's findings:

-- Tobacco political action committees gave an average of $22,000 to each Republican in the Senate and $6,000 to each Democrat.

-- Regardless of whether they received contributions, Republicans voted pro-tobacco much more often - 73 percent of the time - while Democrats voted pro-tobacco only 23 percent of the time."


Your spin job would do O'Reilly proud. Keep trying.
Holy Elvis
Quote: Originally posted by jetdog
A vote for Giuliani is a vote for the Saudis, Rupert Murdoch and Tobacco. Typical bought off Republican scumbag. Pay them enough they would lobby for Satan.
http://huffingtonpost.com/huff-wire...lianis-business



i love tobacco
Oz
Quote: Originally posted by Holy Elvis
i love tobacco


how about the Saudis?
m0tleyfan
lol he's as far left as hilary,i think it's funny when liberals bash him no conservative would vote for him so who are you hurting?
DUDE-HERE
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
lol he's as far left as hilary,i think it's funny when liberals bash him no conservative would vote for him so who are you hurting?


THIS IS WHAT LEFTYS DO....IN ABOUT 1 YEAR, I AM SURE THEY WILL BE CALLING HIM A NAZI
m0tleyfan
hey i like that they r doing that, like i said no real conservative will ever vote for him
Halcyon
Quote: Originally posted by Luther
Any politician who supports illegalization of marijuana is under the influence of the tobacco lobby.

Marlboro has fields of marijuana in another country and they have a label and packaging already approved and ready to go the minute this country legalizes Marijuana.


A $5 pack of joints from Marlboro called "Marlboro Greens"..... I think I'd be in heaven...


I don't see why Marlboro would go to the trouble of helping them criminalize marijuana and simultaneously set up operations to go into business selling it at the same time.


Is Marlboro just an innovative company who thinks ahead? Is this a sign to suggest that there may be a legalization of Marijuana in the not to distant future?

Are the other tobacco companies unwilling to think ahead and so they lobby so hard against it?
m0tleyfan
i think all drugs from alchol to tobacco should be illegal
Oz
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
i think all drugs from alchol to tobacco should be illegal


you're an idiot.
Luther
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
Marlboro has fields of marijuana in another country and they have a label and packaging already approved and ready to go the minute this country legalizes Marijuana.


A $5 pack of joints from Marlboro called "Marlboro Greens"..... I think I'd be in heaven...


I don't see why Marlboro would go to the trouble of helping them criminalize marijuana and simultaneously set up operations to go into business selling it at the same time.


Is Marlboro just an innovative company who thinks ahead? Is this a sign to suggest that there may be a legalization of Marijuana in the not to distant future?

Are the other tobacco companies unwilling to think ahead and so they lobby so hard against it?



Maybe you are right, but I don't think so. It seems to me that if marijuana were legal, there would be enough supply so that the price would be almost zero. With open access to marijuana, cigarette consumption would decrease dramatically. There would be little profit available for the tobacco industry, which, by the way, is one of if not the oldest industry in America.
m0tleyfan
anything that poisons the body is wrong
Oz
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
anything that poisons the body is wrong


then we need to make your parent's genes illegal
m0tleyfan
why come back with an insult?
Oz
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
why come back with an insult?


why is that insulting? are you trying to hide something?
Luther
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
anything that poisons the body is wrong



Any law that destroys freedom is wrong.
m0tleyfan
freedom? to what kill yourself? WAIT i change my mind all drugs should be legal if you want to kill yourself it's your problem
Luther
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
freedom? to what kill yourself? WAIT i change my mind all drugs should be legal if you want to kill yourself it's your problem



Do you want to live in a society where the government determines what freedom's the people can have?
Halcyon
Quote: Originally posted by Luther
Maybe you are right, but I don't think so. It seems to me that if marijuana were legal, there would be enough supply so that the price would be almost zero. With open access to marijuana, cigarette consumption would decrease dramatically. There would be little profit available for the tobacco industry, which, by the way, is one of if not the oldest industry in America.

I don't think it's tobacco lobbyists that keep it illegal... I think you hit the nail on the head with this post.

The supply is WAY too high for it to be 'cost effective' for it to go into legalized mass production. Being that the supply is so high (I mean, you can grow it anywhere) the price of it would be literally, $0.

Here's the solution they will most likely use.

Smoking it is ok, but growing it is allowed by government sanction, whereupon THEY control the supply. This will effectively make growing marijuana illegal, but smoking it as acceptable.

Also... consider the fact that they make a LOT of money catching people smoking marijuana and fining them. It's too lucrative to give that up to legalize marijuana.

I don't think tobacco lobbyists have the edge here... I think their hands are as tied as the rest of ours... The problem is the government figuring out how to control the supply, while continuing to profit from the illegal activities from the masses through fines.

I think by making the growth of marijuana illegal, but the act of buying it at locations and smoking it legal, will stimulate both the consumer base, and the government.

They can still fine and jail growers = cash for the government
They can allow the public to smoke it = good times for consumers
They can control the supply/demand = A potential corruptible factor, but one that yields profits for government as well
jetdog
Everything about Giuliani is a myth. His actions after 9/11 are a myth, and I will listen to the firefighters who are against him and the WTC site workers who are against him. He is a self promoting greedy fuck head who is currently taking every side of every issue AND using fear as a campaign tool. A scumbag.
Halcyon
Quote: Originally posted by jetdog
Everything about Giuliani is a myth. His actions after 9/11 are a myth, and I will listen to the firefighters who are against him and the WTC site workers who are against him. He is a self promoting greedy fuck head who is currently taking every side of every issue AND using fear as a campaign tool. A scumbag.
DUDE-HERE
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
hey i like that they r doing that, like i said no real conservative will ever vote for him


i won't vote for him

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