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m0tleyfan

one demacrat that went from pro choice to pro life
Zell Miller on Abortion

Abortion is a moral issue, not a political issue
There was a time, when the question of Abortion came up, I automatically answered that a woman should make that decision about her body. Without a shred of soul-searching, I supported the Roe v. Wade decision by the Supreme Court. But, I came to realize this is a much more complicated issue. I took the position that parents should be notified and consent obtained before a minor could proceed [with an abortion]. Also, I took the position that public funds should not be used for the procedure. Viewing abortion as appropriate only in the 1st trimester. Then as Governor [of Georgia], I signed a state law in 1997 outlawing the terrible procedure of partial birth abortion. Still I stuck with my position of supporting abortion. But ultimately, for me, it is no longer a political issue but a moral one. I hope someday Roe v. Wade will be reversed.
Source: A National Party No More, by Zell Miller, p.105-6 Oct 1, 2003

Both pro-life and pro-stem cell research
Several prominent conservative Republicans argue it is possible to be both “pro-life” and “pro-stem cell.” “Stem cell research facilitates life,” said Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT), who studied the issue for two years before deciding to aggressively lobby the Bush administration. “Abortion destroys life; this is about saving lives.”
“The most pro-life position would be to help people who suffer from these maladies,” Hatch said. “That is far more ethical than just abandoning or discarding these embryonic stem cells.“ For politicians such as Hatch, a Mormon, the decision to break with many of their allies in the antiabortion community was closely tied to the enormous medical potential of embryonic stem cells to treat a wide range of debilitating conditions. Hatch is hardly alone. In recent days, the pro-stem cell contingent [has come to include HHS Secretary] Tommy Thompson, Rep. Duke Cunningham (R-CA.), and Sens. Zell Miller (D, GA), Strom Thurmond (R-SC) and Gordon Smith (R-OR).

Source: Ceci Connolly, Washington Post, p. A01 Jul 2, 2001

Promote and fund sexual abstinence programs
I also want to expand the family planning services in county health departments. We are going to expand two successful, community-based pregnancy prevention programs. One is targeted at teenage males, and it is already in operation in 15 Georgia communities. The other is Grady Hospital’s abstinence-based program for teens called “Postponing Sexual Involvement.”
Source: State of the State Address, Georgia Jan 14, 1997

Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime.
Bill would make it a criminal offense to harm or kill a fetus during the commission of a violent crime. The measure would set criminal penalties, the same as those that would apply if harm or death happened to the pregnant woman, for those who harm a fetus. It is not required that the individual have prior knowledge of the pregnancy or intent to harm the fetus. This bill prohibits the death penalty from being imposed for such an offense. The bill states that its provisions should not be interpreted to apply a woman's actions with respect to her pregnancy.
Reference: Unborn Victims of Violence Act; Bill S.1019/HR.1997 ; vote number 2004-63 on Mar 25, 2004

Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life.
S. 3 As Amended; Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003. Vote to pass a bill banning a medical procedure, which is commonly known as "partial-birth" abortion. Those who performed this procedure would then face fines and up to two years in prison, the women to whom this procedure is performed on are not held criminally liable. This bill would make the exception for cases in which a women's life is in danger, not for cases where a women's health is in danger.
Bill S.3 ; vote number 2003-51 on Mar 12, 2003

Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record.
Miller scores 0% by NARAL on pro-choice voting record
For over thirty years, NARAL Pro-Choice America has been the political arm of the pro-choice movement and a strong advocate of reproductive freedom and choice. NARAL Pro-Choice America's mission is to protect and preserve the right to choose while promoting policies and programs that improve women's health and make abortion less necessary. NARAL Pro-Choice America works to educate Americans and officeholders about reproductive rights and health issues and elect pro-choice candidates at all levels of government. The NARAL ratings are based on the votes the organization considered most important; the numbers reflect the percentage of time the representative voted the organization's preferred position.

Source: NARAL website 03n-NARAL on Dec 31, 2003

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WillowGlen

A guy that knew he wasnt going to get relected so he quit and publicly changed his tune so he could get at job with Fox. He's like a 12 year old that played doorbell ditch because Rupert Murdoch paid him off.

A real American hero there. :rolleyes:

m0tleyfan

he became pro life while he was at the end of his last term,you act like there are no pro life dems,they are as real as pro choice reps

WillowGlen

Way to miss the point. He changed his tune to cash out and work for Fox when he decided to bail out of politics. He's a gutless assclown who sold out to Murdoch. In politics its called Ring and Run.

m0tleyfan

no if he really wanted to he could have worked for the clinton news network (cnn) but he agrees with the political views of fox news

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
no if he really wanted to he could have worked for the clinton news network (cnn) but he agrees with the political views of fox news

Your blindness is completely boring... :snore: :zzz:

m0tleyfan

if i were as you call blind i would only support republicans like most cookie cutter republicans.i like zell even though he is a democrat

JTProcess

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
if i were as you call blind i would only support republicans like most cookie cutter republicans.i like zell even though he is a democrat

Zell Miller is as much a Democrat as Ron Paul is a Republican.

m0tleyfan

hey if you were voting and looked next to his name you'd find a d not a r

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
if i were as you call blind i would only support republicans like most cookie cutter republicans.i like zell even though he is a democrat

The Clinton News Network? (CNN)

Anything to support that bullshit?

m0tleyfan

that name comes from the fact the fact that in the 90's during the impeachment hearings most other news shows were being fair to both sides but cnn was partisan towards clinton

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
that name comes from the fact the fact that in the 90's during the impeachment hearings most other news shows were being fair to both sides but cnn was partisan towards clinton

you were 8 years old - you don't know what you're talking about

m0tleyfan

huh i'm gonna be 24 may 30th so i was about 13 or 14

Halcyon

So in other words... NO... you make a total falsehood from talking out of your ass.

Chalk this faggot up as another loser with no credibility folks.... I heard something on CNN and percieved it as favorable to clinton, ergo, it's the clinton news network.

Hard hitting, factual research work you did there fucko.... enjoy life as a bumbling retard!

m0tleyfan

you liberals are funny.i watched most of the coverage and it was 100%favorable to the lying cheating "president"

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
you liberals are funny.i watched most of the coverage and it was 100%favorable to the lying cheating "president"

No proof, just lying on the board to simply act like you know what you're talking about.

I guess you 'conservatives' consider this real proof.... simply because you remember something one way, doesn't mean it happened that way.

It's no wonder you think Bush is a great president.... becuase he told you he was... you'll believe anything you're told won't you?

Oh, I have a bridge to sell you too, stupid

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
you liberals are funny.i watched most of the coverage and it was 100%favorable to the lying cheating "president"

no you didn't.

m0tleyfan

how are you gonna tell me what i did and did not do? anyways cnn has always favored him

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
how are you gonna tell me what i did and did not do? anyways cnn has always favored him

you like boys don't you?

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
how are you gonna tell me what i did and did not do? anyways cnn has always favored him

Fucking prove it, or shut the fuck up, liar!
:dontknow: How's that?

Billyfromsphily

He's got as good a chance of winning the Presidency as Jerry Falwell does of breathing again.

artie84

Quote: Originally posted by Oz
you like boys don't you?

:lol:

WillowGlen

Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
No proof, just lying on the board to simply act like you know what you're talking about.

I guess you 'conservatives' consider this real proof.... simply because you remember something one way, doesn't mean it happened that way.

It's no wonder you think Bush is a great president.... becuase he told you he was... you'll believe anything you're told won't you?

Oh, I have a bridge to sell you too, stupid

I wonder if he has a Hanson blog?

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by WillowGlen
I wonder if he has a Hanson blog?

Who fucking cares.... I love when little douchebags come on here and just outright lie about something.

m0tleyfan

YOU WANT PROOF OF THE CLINTON NEWS NETWORK HERE YOU GO

Kaplan saw to it that CNN gave softball coverage to the Clintons and threw hardballs at their enemies. Under his watch, CNN came to be known as the Clinton News Network for its pro-Bill&Hill bias. As Bill O’Reilly of rival Fox News Channel has noted, “financial reporter Lou Dobbs quit CNN because Kaplan was cutting into ‘Moneyline’ to give Mr. Clinton some marginal coverage.”

(CNN also came to be called the Castro News Network for its coverage unwaveringly favorable to the Cuban Marxist dictator. Kaplan and Castro have been good friends since at least 1978, Margolick reported, and during a Castro United Nations visit to New York while they were dining together, Kaplan invited Fidel to come with him to a private dinner with President Clinton, deputy White House Chief of Staff Harold Ickes, and Susan Thomases. “Castro paused, for what seemed like an hour, before declining,” wrote Margolick. “He didn’t want to embarrass Clinton, he explained.”)

m0tleyfan

now what?

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
now what?

Link?

Excuse me if I think this came from a blog or from a right-wing biased source.

If you can provide a fair link, I'll retract my statements publicly on here.

What now?

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
YOU WANT PROOF OF THE CLINTON NEWS NETWORK HERE YOU GO

Kaplan saw to it that CNN gave softball coverage to the Clintons and threw hardballs at their enemies. Under his watch, CNN came to be known as the Clinton News Network for its pro-Bill&Hill bias. As Bill O’Reilly of rival Fox News Channel has noted, “financial reporter Lou Dobbs quit CNN because Kaplan was cutting into ‘Moneyline’ to give Mr. Clinton some marginal coverage.”

(CNN also came to be called the Castro News Network for its coverage unwaveringly favorable to the Cuban Marxist dictator. Kaplan and Castro have been good friends since at least 1978, Margolick reported, and during a Castro United Nations visit to New York while they were dining together, Kaplan invited Fidel to come with him to a private dinner with President Clinton, deputy White House Chief of Staff Harold Ickes, and Susan Thomases. “Castro paused, for what seemed like an hour, before declining,” wrote Margolick. “He didn’t want to embarrass Clinton, he explained.”)

Now what?! Where's the link explaining this quote?

m0tleyfan

FrontPage magazine.com :: MSNBC, the New Clinton News Network? by ...Under his watch, CNN came to be known as the Clinton News Network for its pro-Bill&Hill bias. As Bill O’Reilly of rival Fox News Channel has noted, ...
www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12234 - 66k - Cached - Similar pages

THERE YOU GO

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
now what?

you're out of black lipstick and need to do a shitload of sit-ups

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
FrontPage magazine.com :: MSNBC, the New Clinton News Network? by ...Under his watch, CNN came to be known as the Clinton News Network for its pro-Bill&Hill bias. As Bill O’Reilly of rival Fox News Channel has noted, ...
www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12234 - 66k - Cached - Similar pages

THERE YOU GO

I knew you couldn't provide an unbiased link.... typical douchebag... I believe I asked for an UNBIASED link.

Thanks for proving me right.... you have no REAL proof... just online conservative nonsense designed to slander without cause.

LINK

Quote: FrontPage Magazine (also known as FRONTPAGEMAG.COM) is an online conservative political magazine, edited by David Horowitz and is published by the David Horowitz Freedom Center (DHFC) (formerly the Center for the Study of Public Culture), a non-profit organization in Los Angeles, California.

FrontPage Magazine's main focus is on issues pertaining to foreign policy, war, and Islamic terrorism. It regularly condemns official enemies of the U.S. and is a strong proponent of the war on terror, the Iraq War, and Israel's military actions.[citation needed] It has also published articles condemning what it perceives as left-wing organizations and causes, such as the Democratic party, the media, the environmental movement, affirmative action, reparations for slavery, left-wing interpretations of feminism, Islamism, socialism, communism, anarchism,anti-war groups, the United Nations, and other matters

Halcyon

And here's some fucking bullshit about David Horowitz

Boy, you truly showed me huh?
Unbiased!?!?!?

LINK

Quote: David Joel Horowitz (born January 10, 1939) is an American conservative writer and activist. A prominent supporter of Marxism and a member of the New Left in the 1960s, Horowitz later rejected Leftism and now identifies with the right wing of the political spectrum. He is a founder of the David Horowitz Freedom Center (formerly the Center for the Study of Popular Culture), and has served as president of that organization for many years, currently earning $352,647 a year in that role (2005)[1]. He is the editor of the popular conservative website FrontPage Magazine, and his writings can also be read on prominent news sites and publications, including the conservative magazine NewsMax [31]. He founded the activist group Students for Academic Freedom and is affiliated with Campus Watch. He frequently appears on the Fox News Channel as an analyst.

Halcyon

I wish I could have more than 250 characters in my signature... YOU'RE A WEALTH of signature material... I could put all your bullshit in my sig to REALLY show what a liar you are.

m0tleyfan

oh but move on is really fair.i did prove my point i said at the begining that cnn was known as the clinton news network i did not make up the website so to some people it was known as that.one thing you do is say oh it's a conservative site. NOW YOU POST SOMETHING TO COUNTER THE STATEMENTS ONHERE YOUR TURN

WillowGlen

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
oh but move on is really fair.i did prove my point i said at the begining that cnn was known as the clinton news network i did not make up the website so to some people it was known as that.one thing you do is say oh it's a conservative site. NOW YOU POST SOMETHING TO COUNTER THE STATEMENTS ONHERE YOUR TURN

He already made you his bitch. Why are you coming back for more?

m0tleyfan

really how? by calling me a bunch of names.i posted proof now he should do something the left never does show his proof

Vickroy

Fuck Zell Miller. During the the Republican Convetion he proved what an idiot he is.
Lying (misleading) about Kerry's voting record and then challenging Chris Mathews to a duel on Hard Ball.

He's worthless.

WillowGlen

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
really how? by calling me a bunch of names.i posted proof now he should do something the left never does show his proof

You did nothing of the kind. You posted a bunch of rhetoric from a biased "news" source, claiming it as some kind of factual evidence and then when you were called on it you started deflecting and spinning some BS about a different website noone here uses for a source and had nothing to do with the argument in the first place. Thats the problem with you sheep from the bottom all to way up to your Chimp in Chief at the top. You dont have the intelligence, the balls or both to ever admit you were wrong even under the weight of overwhelming evidence. So your only defense is to change the subject. But please keep digging the hole deeper. Its always fun to watch.

m0tleyfan

reseach kerry's voting record he was right on.remember what kerry said he voted for the war before he voted against it

WillowGlen

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
reseach kerry's voting record he was right on.remember what kerry said he voted for the war before he voted against it

You mean when he voted to approve funding in the intial bill where it was going to be payed back by the Iraqis from the oil profits and then voted against the new version of the bill that was rewritten by the Republicans under pressure from the WH that replaced the funds with money borrowed from China to be repaid by the American taxpayers because they wanted the oil money for thier backers?

But by all means keep the lame ass talking points coming. :rolleyes:

Keep digging.

m0tleyfan

really oil.i am sick of the left saying that.in the words of larry elder for having control of all the oil gas prices are really high

WillowGlen

Not bad, thats three deflecting subject changes in a row and you still havent addressed anything. Have you ever considered applying at Fox?

m0tleyfan

i'm not changing the subject every1 else is i'm just replying

WillowGlen

Keep telling yourself that Orielly.

m0tleyfan

no tell me the topics i've changed look back i'd be talking about something and some1 else would bring up another topic

Halcyon

I don't think Moveon is fair... in fact, I posted in the 'moveon' thread that you made and told AssBoil that I don't believe Moveon or thinkprogress is able to objectively report issues.

Again you talk out of your ass... again I need to use you as a source of lying material.

Do you ever stop lying?

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
no tell me the topics i've changed look back i'd be talking about something and some1 else would bring up another topic

You should log on DUDE-HERE and come back yourself up... it's apparent this mult is a proven liar.

m0tleyfan

halcyon if a website is pro republican i would not know it b/c i don't go on anti or pro websites. for example when you asked fo proof of the clinton nws network i just went and googled it and that was the website that came up.thats how i do it

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
halcyon if a website is pro republican i would not know it b/c i don't go on anti or pro websites. for example when you asked fo proof of the clinton nws network i just went and googled it and that was the website that came up.thats how i do it

are you still at the fuckin' library? Shouldn't you be at the shop working on cars?

I think you're lying about having a job.

Halcyon

I asked you for an unbiased source... you provided a biased source.

So what you're telling me, is that you use 'sloppy' research... you google for information to support some claim without checking to see what your using as proof?

WOW!!!! I mean, what job do you have? I need to know this so I can steer clear of any place of business that hires people who don't check their work before handing it in.

But that's assuming I buy your half-witted argument that you're just too 'lazy' to research properly..... which I don't

The real issue, is you're a liar. You lied about the Clinton News Network, and you're lying about your 'sloppy' research. You knew damn well I wanted proof from an unbiased source, I made sure that was perfectly clear...

Is everyone ready to hear what REALLY happened? I'll break it down for you, because I understand human behavior.... here's what REALLY happened.

I asked you for an unbiased source from which you pulled that EXACT quote. This should have taken you 5 minutes at best... since it should have already been at your disposal, you had JUST posted it, right? But no, you spent a good hour or so (I assume looking for an unbiased source that uses that quote you gave) but you couldn't produce an unbiased site... so a HALF HOUR after I posted my request (to which you were still out posting on other threads... there are timestamps on posts you know) you came back here with your tail between your legs and posted the site you ACTUALLY got the quote from. Which was in fact, as I suspected, not only biased, but particularly ruthless about Clinton (who I don't agree with either but I digress).

THAT is what really happened.... and I'd appreciate it if you manned up for ONCE in your miserable life and just admit that THIS is what happened.

Here's your one opportunity to gain back your credibility. Wanna be taken seriously? Admit that my scenario is what took place... OR Prove to me that you're just a 'sloppy' researcher whose too laze to check his own work, and just posts shit he sees without asking questions about what he's reading.

johnsonrod

I find Miller to be entertaining.

I think he'd bring back the gillotene if he was president though.

WillowGlen

He cant possibly be that stupid can he? How does his brain generate enough power to remind him to breathe?

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by WillowGlen
He cant possibly be that stupid can he? How does his brain generate enough power to remind him to breathe?

I'm hoping he'll man the fuck up and gain some shred of credibility around here.

I mean, either he's a liar, or he's a lazy fuck who refuses to research shit before he regurgitates it.

I'm betting on the liar aspect... but I noticed he tucked tail and ran from this thread.... oddly enough, DUDE-HERE started posting right after I posted that... I guess he took my advice and logged on his other account.

Let's see how long it takes for him to talk to himself in these threads. I bet DUDE-HERE comes in here and pulls his usual 'lol' post now.

Halcyon

Once again, my hopes of someone being a stand-up and honest guy are dashed on the rocks....

*sigh* I wonder what it's like to be a spineless coward who can never man up to anything.

Halcyon

Being that DUDE-HERE, I mean m0tleyfan has a history of talking out of his ass, and then cutting and running from a thread when he's been shown to be a proven liar... here's a thread he wishes would die and go away.

But since Oz is running into the same thing today, I thought I'd re-bump this thread to show it to the world again.

Any chance I could get that admission from you today there DUDE-HERE, errrr, I mean m0tleyfan!?

Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
Being that DUDE-HERE, I mean m0tleyfan has a history of talking out of his ass, and then cutting and running from a thread when he's been shown to be a proven liar... here's a thread he wishes would die and go away.

But since Oz is running into the same thing today, I thought I'd re-bump this thread to show it to the world again.

Any chance I could get that admission from you today there DUDE-HERE, errrr, I mean m0tleyfan!?

I can assure you they're not the same person.

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by Oz
I can assure you they're not the same person.

Sure about that? How can you prove that to me... there are a TON of subtle nuances there.

Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
Sure about that? How can you prove that to me... there are a TON of subtle nuances there.

Dude-Here doesn't have the time or ability to build out motleyfan's myspace page - contact motleyfan through his myspace page and see if he responds and is the same guy

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by Oz
Dude-Here doesn't have the time or ability to build out motleyfan's myspace page - contact motleyfan through his myspace page and see if he responds and is the same guy

Hey, anything is possible.... and you assume I have to care enough to actually find out either about DUDE-HERE OR m0tleyfan to actually waste time in my day bothering to find this out.

The truth is, DUDE-HERE conveniently starts posting when m0tleyfan is away (it seems) except for when they're busy talking to themselves in a thread. the 'lol' post they both love to use. Constant spelling mistakes... talking out of their ass and NEVER providing a link. When they do provide a link, it's always to the same right-wing websites over and over again.

I'm just saying.... it's possible they're two different people.... but the odds are, two people can't be this singularly stupid in the same way.

Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
Hey, anything is possible.... and you assume I have to care enough to actually find out either about DUDE-HERE OR m0tleyfan to actually waste time in my day bothering to find this out.

The truth is, DUDE-HERE conveniently starts posting when m0tleyfan is away (it seems) except for when they're busy talking to themselves in a thread. the 'lol' post they both love to use. Constant spelling mistakes... talking out of their ass and NEVER providing a link. When they do provide a link, it's always to the same right-wing websites over and over again.

I'm just saying.... it's possible they're two different people.... but the odds are, two people can't be this singularly stupid in the same way.

I actually don't care enough to debate it but anything is possible :D

m0tleyfan

the reason i like zell miller so much is that he's not like the liberals out there.he's like a breath of freash air

rod_jammer

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
the reason i like zell miller so much is that he's not like the liberals out there.he's like a breath of freash air

Only if that air is nitrous oxide and breathing it in makes you retarded... :hw:

Quote: Originally posted by rod_jammer
Only if that air is nitrous oxide and breathing it in makes you retarded... :hw:

"more" retarded

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
the reason i like zell miller so much is that he's not like the liberals out there.he's like a breath of freash air

Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
I asked you for an unbiased source... you provided a biased source.

So what you're telling me, is that you use 'sloppy' research... you google for information to support some claim without checking to see what your using as proof?

WOW!!!! I mean, what job do you have? I need to know this so I can steer clear of any place of business that hires people who don't check their work before handing it in.

But that's assuming I buy your half-witted argument that you're just too 'lazy' to research properly..... which I don't

The real issue, is you're a liar. You lied about the Clinton News Network, and you're lying about your 'sloppy' research. You knew damn well I wanted proof from an unbiased source, I made sure that was perfectly clear...

Is everyone ready to hear what REALLY happened? I'll break it down for you, because I understand human behavior.... here's what REALLY happened.

I asked you for an unbiased source from which you pulled that EXACT quote. This should have taken you 5 minutes at best... since it should have already been at your disposal, you had JUST posted it, right? But no, you spent a good hour or so (I assume looking for an unbiased source that uses that quote you gave) but you couldn't produce an unbiased site... so a HALF HOUR after I posted my request (to which you were still out posting on other threads... there are timestamps on posts you know) you came back here with your tail between your legs and posted the site you ACTUALLY got the quote from. Which was in fact, as I suspected, not only biased, but particularly ruthless about Clinton (who I don't agree with either but I digress).

THAT is what really happened.... and I'd appreciate it if you manned up for ONCE in your miserable life and just admit that THIS is what happened.

Here's your one opportunity to gain back your credibility. Wanna be taken seriously? Admit that my scenario is what took place... OR Prove to me that you're just a 'sloppy' researcher whose too laze to check his own work, and just posts shit he sees without asking questions about what he's reading.

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
i think i'm more moderate.because i admit when i'm wrong .he's to the left nancy pelosi

Halcyon

To the man who swears he admits when he's wrong..... Maybe you missed this post... I mean I only posted it twice for you to respond to. But I guess a pussy like yourself just cuts and runs from any REAL questions right? Care to back any of your fucking punk-bitch shit up?

Start here:

m0tleyfan

if you were right i'd tell you it was the first site i found,just to put tis all to rest i'll find more now

m0tleyfan

this is from canada hardly conservative

Click Here.
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CNN, World AIDS Day
Still the Clinton News Network
By Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in Media

Monday, January 8, 2007

Bill Clinton was back on CNN on World AIDS Day being portrayed as an expert on how to stop AIDS. It shows how the media will not let any of Clinton's sex scandals interfere with his public rehabilitation. The Clinton answer, which is quite unique, is to use an international airline tax to buy more anti-AIDS drugs of dubious value.

The U.N.-backed Unitaid agency is using the proceeds from a global airline tax to pay the Clinton Foundation to buy and distribute the drugs. They don't tell you that the drugs are toxic and can kill, or that they may cause the AIDS virus to mutate, making the disease even more deadly. In other words, it's not an issue that the Clinton plan could make the problem worse.

One of the key players in this scheme is Ira Magaziner, who was Hillary Clinton's point man when she tried to foist socialized medicine on the American people in the first Clinton term. Magaziner is running the Clinton Foundation's anti-AIDS program and helping Unitaid manage the spending of global tax revenue. So far, the international airline tax has not been implemented by the U.S. But the new Democratic Congress may see this as something viable.

If all of this is new to you, consider yourself a victim of a media that refuses to tell the truth about political exploitation of a disease that, so far, has taken over $200 billion in federal revenue from U.S. taxpayers. Meanwhile, diseases that affect far more people, like Alzheimers and heart disease, get far fewer federal dollars for research, development and treatment purposes.

If you have AIDS, you are taken care of through the Ryan White Act, a massive federal program named after an innocent victim of AIDS (when, in fact, most "victims" have gotten the disease through their own deliberate behavior). By contrast, if your mother or father has Alzheimers or dementia and has to be taken care of in a nursing home or assisted living facility, Medicare pays nothing.

Clinton's record on AIDS, we hasten to add, is one of failure. On CNN's American Morning, on World AIDS Day December 1, Clinton said that he "thinks a vaccine and a cure are on the horizon." As President, back in 1995, Clinton had also promised a "cure and a vaccine," saying, "That must be our first and top priority." Bush, like Clinton, has poured tens of billions of dollars into AIDS research and treatment.

All of this is predicated, of course, on AIDS science and testing being sound. There are groups that question the science, like Rethinking AIDS, but they don't get any attention from CNN and the media. Activist Stephen Davis says that more and more people are being tested for HIV or AIDS but that the test is fraught with errors and that it can be wrong 90 percent of the time. He cites the packaging of the AIDS test itself.

Meanwhile, the warning from the AIDS Truth Coalition, which identifies homosexuality and "gay" promiscuity as prime contributors to the spread of HIV in the United States, fell on deaf media ears. It's politically incorrect to call attention to how people get the disease by engaging in dangerous sexual practices, like "bare-backing," made famous by gay "conservative" Andrew Sullivan.

Peter LaBarbera, President of Americans For Truth and member of the AIDS Truth Coalition, declared, "While Christians and churches mobilize to fight the HIV pandemic on faraway continents, let us not neglect the major catalyst for AIDS here in the United States of America: homosexual promiscuity, tolerated and encouraged by pro-'gay,' 'safer-sex' advocates." It's time to acknowledge the pink elephant in the room: fighting AIDS without talking against homosexuality is like fighting lung cancer without talking against smoking."

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
if you were right i'd tell you it was the first site i found,just to put tis all to rest i'll find more now

Please do... and remember, I'd like UNBIASED sites... not ones written by republican schills, thanks.

Maybe PBS, maybe BBC... *shrug*

m0tleyfan

i just posted it (look above) by the way pbs and the bbc are liberal schills

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
this is from canada hardly conservative

Click Here.
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CNN, World AIDS Day
Still the Clinton News Network
By Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in Media

Monday, January 8, 2007

Bill Clinton was back on CNN on World AIDS Day being portrayed as an expert on how to stop AIDS. It shows how the media will not let any of Clinton's sex scandals interfere with his public rehabilitation. The Clinton answer, which is quite unique, is to use an international airline tax to buy more anti-AIDS drugs of dubious value.

The U.N.-backed Unitaid agency is using the proceeds from a global airline tax to pay the Clinton Foundation to buy and distribute the drugs. They don't tell you that the drugs are toxic and can kill, or that they may cause the AIDS virus to mutate, making the disease even more deadly. In other words, it's not an issue that the Clinton plan could make the problem worse.

One of the key players in this scheme is Ira Magaziner, who was Hillary Clinton's point man when she tried to foist socialized medicine on the American people in the first Clinton term. Magaziner is running the Clinton Foundation's anti-AIDS program and helping Unitaid manage the spending of global tax revenue. So far, the international airline tax has not been implemented by the U.S. But the new Democratic Congress may see this as something viable.

If all of this is new to you, consider yourself a victim of a media that refuses to tell the truth about political exploitation of a disease that, so far, has taken over $200 billion in federal revenue from U.S. taxpayers. Meanwhile, diseases that affect far more people, like Alzheimers and heart disease, get far fewer federal dollars for research, development and treatment purposes.

If you have AIDS, you are taken care of through the Ryan White Act, a massive federal program named after an innocent victim of AIDS (when, in fact, most "victims" have gotten the disease through their own deliberate behavior). By contrast, if your mother or father has Alzheimers or dementia and has to be taken care of in a nursing home or assisted living facility, Medicare pays nothing.

Clinton's record on AIDS, we hasten to add, is one of failure. On CNN's American Morning, on World AIDS Day December 1, Clinton said that he "thinks a vaccine and a cure are on the horizon." As President, back in 1995, Clinton had also promised a "cure and a vaccine," saying, "That must be our first and top priority." Bush, like Clinton, has poured tens of billions of dollars into AIDS research and treatment.

All of this is predicated, of course, on AIDS science and testing being sound. There are groups that question the science, like Rethinking AIDS, but they don't get any attention from CNN and the media. Activist Stephen Davis says that more and more people are being tested for HIV or AIDS but that the test is fraught with errors and that it can be wrong 90 percent of the time. He cites the packaging of the AIDS test itself.

Meanwhile, the warning from the AIDS Truth Coalition, which identifies homosexuality and "gay" promiscuity as prime contributors to the spread of HIV in the United States, fell on deaf media ears. It's politically incorrect to call attention to how people get the disease by engaging in dangerous sexual practices, like "bare-backing," made famous by gay "conservative" Andrew Sullivan.

Peter LaBarbera, President of Americans For Truth and member of the AIDS Truth Coalition, declared, "While Christians and churches mobilize to fight the HIV pandemic on faraway continents, let us not neglect the major catalyst for AIDS here in the United States of America: homosexual promiscuity, tolerated and encouraged by pro-'gay,' 'safer-sex' advocates." It's time to acknowledge the pink elephant in the room: fighting AIDS without talking against homosexuality is like fighting lung cancer without talking against smoking."

Sorry, you lose again. Please try harder next time.

LINK

Quote: Accuracy In Media (AIM) is an American organization which monitors the news media in the United States. Founded in 1969 by Reed Irvine, at the time an economist with the Federal Reserve, AIM describes itself as "a non-profit, grassroots citizens watchdog of the news media that critiques botched and bungled news stories and sets the record straight on important issues that have received slanted coverage".

It commonly attacks what it sees as liberal bias in the media. Despite AIM's claim of political neutrality, some media watchdog groups, including self-described "progressive group" Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, refer to it as a conservative organization.[1]

AIM maintains many ties to conservative groups and is known for criticizing journalists with accusations of leftist bias, but rarely (if ever) levels claims of conservative bias against reporters or news organizations. Its positions on issues would also usually be classified as conservative: AIM editorialized in support of Nicaraguan Contra leaders such as José Francisco Cardenal. It also supported the Committee for a Free Afghanistan, a US group that backed Islamic fundamentalist Afghans who fought the Soviet invasion. Also supported are Augusto Pinochet, who was called a savior of Chile, and the group often quotes from The Epoch Times, a group that publishes information on Chinese human rights abuses.

[edit] History
In the early days, AIM was run primarily by Irvine and then-executive secretary Abraham Kalish. Kalish and Irvine would send letters to the editors of many newspapers promoting their organization. If a letter was rejected, AIM would buy space in that paper and print the letter. Beginning in 1975, AIM began purchasing stock in major media companies, which allowed Irvine to attend their annual meetings and make AIM's views known. He has been described as combative and occasionally rude during those encounters. Irvine now has an annual private meeting with the publisher of The New York Times, which critics say serves primarily to isolate other shareholders from Irvine's campaigning. Times vice-chair Sydney Gruson claims "I never find any merit in AIM's allegations."

Reed Irvine died November 16, 2004.[2] His son, Don Irvine, is AIM chairman.

[edit] Publications
AIM publishes a twice-monthly newsletter called the AIM Report, originally edited by Reed Irvine. These newsletters often encourage subscribers to write to people or organizations urging them to change their policies. This has become daily over the Internet and through e-mail with current AIM Editor Cliff Kincaid and AIM executive secretary and media analyst Roger Aronoff since 2000.

[edit] Controversies
At CBS's meetings, Irvine frequently denounced Walter Cronkite as a Soviet dupe. At a 1986 meeting, Irvine requested that Cronkite be removed from the CBS board of directors for allegedly supporting unilateral disarmament.[3]

AIM also famously denounced journalist Helen Marmor, who in 1983 produced a documentary for NBC concerning the Russian Orthodox Church.[4] AIM contended that "it ignored the repressive religious policies of the Soviet state."

The group denounced New York Times reporter Raymond Bonner for his reporting in January 1982 of the El Mozote massacre in El Salvador. AIM devoted an entire edition of its AIM Report to Bonner, reporting that "Mr. Bonner had been worth a division to the communists in Central America."[5] The issue included some insinuations about Bonner's political sympathies, noting that he had once worked for Ralph Nader.

In 1998, head of AIM, Irvine Reed at the Conservative Political Action Conference, claimed there was a conspiracy within the Republican Party to "suppress investigations of Clinton administration scandals."[2] He noted, "Conspiracy is a word that has been given a very bad connotation -- it's become synonymous with 'kooky,'" he told a Post reporter.[2] "But really it has a very good connotation." In other words, he elaborated, some conspiracy theories are valid. But not Hillary Clinton's notion of a vast right-wing conspiracy. "She's kooky," he said."[2]

AIM has been critical of the United Nations and its coverage by the media. In February 2005, AIM revealed that United Nations correspondents, including a correspondent for The Nation named Ian Williams, had accepted money from the UN while covering it for their publications. AIM also revealed that the United Nations Correspondents Association may have violated immigration laws by employing the wife of Williams. Williams and The Nation denied wrongdoing. [1][2] The charges were also reported by FrontPage Magazine. The allegations concerning Williams receiving UN cash was picked up by Brit Hume and the Fox News Channel. [3]

In November 2005, AIM columnist Cliff Kincaid criticised Fox News for broadcasting a program "The Heat is On," which endorsed the view that global warming represents a serious problem (although the program was broadcast with a disclaimer). Kincaid stated that this "scandal" amounted to a "hostile takeover of Fox News" [4].

In a December 13, 2005 column, Kincaid called for a "Quit Gay Sex" campaign to rival "Quit Smoking Campaigns" launched by certain media outlets in the United States. He contended that homosexual sex is widespread and homosexual men "simply cannot stop having homosexual sex" and that it was spreading HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases.[6]

[edit] Criticism
Critics say AIM's attacks on the media seem to have little to do with actual misrepresentation or inaccuracies in media accounts. They assert that Irvine and AIM is quick to attack groups that do not fit in the group's ideological niche. Donald Graham, the publisher of The Washington Post, alleges that Irvine tends to "throw around accusations about people being communists."[citation needed]

AIM has also been vigorously defensive of former Senator Joseph McCarthy, referring to his critics as "liars" and "communists," and defending his legacy, claiming that he never once fingered an innocent person in his accusations during the red scare he helped to fan. [5]

[edit] Funding
Irvine claims that 75 percent of AIM's funding comes from contributors donating US$100 or less. Only three donors of the remainder are given by name: the Allied Educational Foundation, Shelby Cullom Davis, and billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife. Scaife gave $2 million to Accuracy in Media since 1977 -1997.[7]

Other groups that have supported AIM include Mobil Oil and Union Carbide. In 1985, AIM received a $20,000 grant from the Adolph Coors Foundation, and $7,000 from the Texaco Philanthropic Foundation. In 1986, it received $5,000 from Texaco. [8]

In December 2004, the American Institute of Philanthropy gave AIM a grade of "C+" for not-for-profit effectiveness. It noted that it would have awarded a grade of "A", but reduced the grade because AIM retains 4.1 years' worth of operating expenses in assets. It feels that AIM is in a poor position to ask donors for more funding when it is already cash-rich.

[edit] AIM's work

[edit] Vincent Foster conspiracy claims
Accuracy in Media has received a substantial amount of funding from Scaife who paid Christopher W. Ruddy to investigate allegations that President William Clinton was connected to the suicide of Vincent Foster.[9] AIM claims that "Foster was murdered",[10] which is contrary to three independent reports including one by Kenneth Starr[11]. AIM faults the media for not picking up on the conspiracy.[12] The organization has even gone to court for documents and recordings linked to the case.

AIM credits much of its reporting on the Foster case to Ruddy.[13] Yet, his work has been called a "hoax" and "discredited" by conservatives like Ann Coulter,[14] it was also disputed by the American Spectator, which caused Scaife to ending his funding of the Arkansas Project with the publisher.[15] As CNN explained on February 28, 1997, "The [Starr] report refutes claims by conservative political organizations that Foster was the victim of a murder plot and coverup," but ""despite those findings, right-wing political groups have continued to allege that there was more to the death and that the president and first lady tried to cover it up."[16]

AIM speaker Hugh Turley (co author of Failure of the Public Trust) currently operates a Foster conspiracy website at FBICOVER-UP.com.[17][18] While Ruddy operates a conservative news website, NewsMax, that still claims there is a conspiracy and faults the media.[19]

[edit] Fox News
On October 20, 2006, Accuracy in Media released a list of 27 questions to pose at the Fox News Executive meeting that will be attended by AIM editor Cliff Kincaid.[20][21]

Of these 27 questions, 8 dwell on Rupert Murdoch's relationship with the Clintons and how that may have affected Fox News coverage.[20] Moreover, AIMS wrote "News Corporation hired the Glover Park Group, a public relations firm run by friends of Bill and Hillary Clinton, to block changes in the TV ratings system," and asks, "Was this part of News Corporation's move to the left?"[20]

In May 2007, Accuracy in Media raised questions about a conflict of interest in Fox News' co-sponsorship of the May 15 Republican Presidential Candidates debate,[22] pointing out that News Corporation, the parent company of Fox News, is as a client of presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani.[23]

m0tleyfan

this next post is from wikipedia let me guess now your calling that conservative

[edit] Accusations of bias
Some conservative observers have claimed that CNN has liberal bias. Critics, such as Accuracy in Media and MRC, have claimed that CNN's reporting contains liberal editorializing within news stories. Former Republican House Majority Leader Tom DeLay has referred to CNN as the "Clinton News Network" and the "Communist News Network";[1] others have referred to CNN as "Chicken Noodle News"

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
this next post is from wikipedia let me guess now your calling that conservative

[edit] Accusations of bias
Some conservative observers have claimed that CNN has liberal bias. Critics, such as Accuracy in Media and MRC, have claimed that CNN's reporting contains liberal editorializing within news stories. Former Republican House Majority Leader Tom DeLay has referred to CNN as the "Clinton News Network" and the "Communist News Network";[1] others have referred to CNN as "Chicken Noodle News"

I've already exposed AIM.... do you want me to look up MRC too?
Oh, and by the way, I've been using your wikipedia source to debunk your shit....

m0tleyfan

what have you been debunking? your playing political hot and cold.i can tell how far to the left you are,you said pbs was equal.i'll tell left winger bill moyers you said that.anyway i have come up with 4 different sources

nikkyo

"How can Fox News be so conservative when the Fox Network keeps airing raunchy shows?" The Simpsons

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
what have you been debunking? your playing political hot and cold.i can tell how far to the left you are,you said pbs was equal.i'll tell left winger bill moyers you said that.anyway i have come up with 4 different sources

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH OH MAN... you just set them up, and I knock em down...

Here:

Quote:
The Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) is a non-profit public broadcasting television service with 354 member TV stations in the United States, with some member stations available over the air and by cable in Canada. While the term broadcast covers radio, PBS only covers TV; for radio the United States has National Public Radio, American Public Media, and Public Radio International.

PBS was founded in 1969, at which time it took over many of the functions of its predecessor, National Educational Television (NET) (which merged with station WNDT Newark, New Jersey to form WNET). It commenced broadcasting itself on Monday 5 October 1970. In 1973, it merged with Educational Television Stations.

PBS is a non-profit, private corporation which is owned collectively by its member stations.[1] However, its operations are largely funded by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, a separate entity funded by the U.S. federal government. Its headquarters are in Arlington, Virginia.

. . .

Some conservatives perceive it to have a liberal bias and criticize its tax-based revenue and have periodically but unsuccessfully attempted to discontinue funding of CPB. Although state and federal sources account for a minority percentage of public television funding, the system remains vulnerable to political pressure. Kenneth Tomlinson, former chairman of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting who resigned amid controversy, in November 2005 in Baltimore, told PBS officials, "They should make sure their programming better reflected the Republican mandate." Tomlinson later said that his comment was in jest and that he could not imagine how remarks at a fun occasion were taken the wrong way. A report whose results were publicized in November 2005 sharply criticized Tomlinson for the way he used CPB resources to "go after" this perceived liberal bias. [3]

Halcyon

Yep, 4 biased sources.

Clinton News Network :giggle: Liar

m0tleyfan

loo i could post a quote from god himself and you'd find something wrong with it

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
loo i could post a quote from god himself and you'd find something wrong with it

I'd ask you to post the link.... God doesn't exist.

If you could find me something credible, maybe I could believe you.

But so far, you've proposed information from admitted republican schill websites. I guess I should believe you because THEY said so right? :rolleyes:

m0tleyfan

first off i respect agnostics because they know someone created us but atheists blow my mind

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
first off i respect agnostics because they know someone created us but atheists blow my mind

This isn't about religion, it's about you being a liar.

And thanks for proving it to everyone. Now I can let this thread die.

m0tleyfan

i'm not a liar i posted what i found.how can you say pbs is fair?i just posted 2 myspace blogs you can see the fact that i'm always right

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
i'm not a liar i posted what i found.how can you say pbs is fair?i just posted 2 myspace blogs you can see the fact that i'm always right

If I were you, I'd try and let this thread die already.

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
i'm not a liar i posted what i found.how can you say pbs is fair?i just posted 2 myspace blogs you can see the fact that i'm always right

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Reverend Tyler

Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
i'm not a liar i posted what i found.how can you say pbs is fair?i just posted 2 myspace blogs you can see the fact that i'm always right

that very well may be the funniest post I've ever read. Im now seriously starting to question whether m0tleyfan isn't an idiot at all but actually a genius playing a great joke for his own amusement...

Halcyon

Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler
that very well may be the funniest post I've ever read. Im now seriously starting to question whether m0tleyfan isn't an idiot at all but actually a genius playing a great joke for his own amusement...

Don't believe the hype.... he's a fucking mess

Halcyon

Also, if you missed the whole thread, it's a great read. Enjoy if you have some time.

Halcyon

I just re-read this thread... absolutely great.