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Yes, God Created The Universe
Creating
The actual creation of this world was a miracle not explained by natural phenomenon. Even for those that believe in evolution, they cannot take into account how life and matter got started. Evolution and the "Big Bang" theory have a supernatural, underlying assumption. That assumption being a supernatural power, God, had to set off the "big bang" and create the matter that was the source of the "big bang" and the start of evolution. God offers us in the Bible an explanation for the natural and supernatural that man-made doctrines do not adequately account for. The explanation being that God created the universe. I John 1:3 says, "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made". The Creation is the greatest miracle. God created all things - matter, life, and our own souls.
BIBLE SCRIPTURE: I John 1:3 says, "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made".
A Supernatural Act Occurred When God Created The Universe
Creating
When most people think of the universe around them they think of only natural phenomenon. We see the stars and we touch the Earth, but we do not sense with our five senses who created the universe. When God created the universe it was not a natural event, but a supernatural act of creation. As Hebrews 11:3 says, "...the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." The creation cannot be explained through natural phenomenon, but only through the supernatural act of our Creator.
BIBLE SCRIPTURE: Hebrews 11:3, "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."
God Is The Origin Of Life and Of Our Own Soul
Creating | Life
God created life and our own soul. The Bible provides the only adequate explanation of how life was formed and how our own soul was created. Genesis 2:7 says, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". Life and our own soul were not created by natural phenomenon. Matter did not create matter. Dust did not create dust. The creation of life was a supernatural act only explained in the Bible. God breath is the source of all life. Without God's breathe of life we are but "dust of the ground".
BIBLE SCRIPTURE: Genesis 2:7 says, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". |
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| Quote: Evolution and the "Big Bang" theory have a supernatural, underlying assumption. That assumption being a supernatural power, God, had to set off the "big bang" and create the matter that was the source of the "big bang" and the start of evolution. |
no it fucking doesn't :rolleyes:
by the way, that quote from John came from an earlier source - Thoth ftw, bitch |
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| itsdifferent |
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler
no it fucking doesn't :rolleyes:
by the way, that quote from John came from an earlier source - Thoth ftw, bitch |
I think 'ftw' is probably one of the most funny sayings I've heard. |
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| Abba |
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
Proof That God Created the Universe
God Created The Universe | The Meaning Of Life | Is There A God
Yes, God Created The Universe
Creating
The actual creation of this world was a miracle not explained by natural phenomenon. Even for those that believe in evolution, they cannot take into account how life and matter got started. Evolution and the "Big Bang" theory have a supernatural, underlying assumption. That assumption being a supernatural power, God, had to set off the "big bang" and create the matter that was the source of the "big bang" and the start of evolution. God offers us in the Bible an explanation for the natural and supernatural that man-made doctrines do not adequately account for. The explanation being that God created the universe. I John 1:3 says, "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made". The Creation is the greatest miracle. God created all things - matter, life, and our own souls.
BIBLE SCRIPTURE: I John 1:3 says, "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made".
A Supernatural Act Occurred When God Created The Universe
Creating
When most people think of the universe around them they think of only natural phenomenon. We see the stars and we touch the Earth, but we do not sense with our five senses who created the universe. When God created the universe it was not a natural event, but a supernatural act of creation. As Hebrews 11:3 says, "...the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." The creation cannot be explained through natural phenomenon, but only through the supernatural act of our Creator.
BIBLE SCRIPTURE: Hebrews 11:3, "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."
God Is The Origin Of Life and Of Our Own Soul
Creating | Life
God created life and our own soul. The Bible provides the only adequate explanation of how life was formed and how our own soul was created. Genesis 2:7 says, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". Life and our own soul were not created by natural phenomenon. Matter did not create matter. Dust did not create dust. The creation of life was a supernatural act only explained in the Bible. God breath is the source of all life. Without God's breathe of life we are but "dust of the ground".
BIBLE SCRIPTURE: Genesis 2:7 says, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". |
Yes they actually can explain it, although the only way christians and religionists can justify their twisted and fairy tale mythology is to pretend that there is no scientific explanation.
In fact, researchers have created events in the lab similar to what may have occurred both in the few seconds after the big bang AND the creation of amino acids out of lifeless, inert material.
Science 1, nutjobs and religious morons, 0 |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by Abba
Yes they actually can explain it, although the only way christians and religionists can justify their twisted and fairy tale mythology is to pretend that there is no scientific explanation.
In fact, researchers have created events in the lab similar to what may have occurred both in the few seconds after the big bang AND the creation of amino acids out of lifeless, inert material.
Science 1, nutjobs and religious morons, 0 |
Science FTW! |
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| m0tleyfan |
| i just think the creation from a creator makes since.have you heard the watch theory? |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| that the watch bears the mark of design? that theory which was completely and utterly destroyed by David Hume in a philosophical debate 150 years ago? That one? |
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| Abba |
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
i just think the creation from a creator makes since.have you heard the watch theory? |
"Sense" for who exactly? For the intellectually lazy? For those who don't care to find out the amazing irrefutable and proveable facts scientific inquiry has disvovered?
I'm gonna give you a pass here and explain this to you civilly.
Do you think you know EVERYTHING? I really doubt it. I also doubt that you've inquired as to what we've discovered through the scientific process, like Japanese AND American scientists recreating the formation of Amino Acids, the building blocks of life, from inorganic molecules.
I also doubt that you know about the laboratory recreation of the conditions in the 1000th's of a second AFTER the big bang.
You see, there are a MYRIAD of discoveries, peer reviewed, that explain a whole host of natural phenomena that previously resided within the purview of religious explanation, simply because there was no other way to expain them. However, thanks to the culmination of Mankind's reasoning through the millenia, we can now see religiously inspired explanations for what they really are; fabrications to explain the natural universe we live in.
Of course, for you, relating this to Christianity is anathema to everything you believe, so I'll give you a better example.
You don't, of course, believe in Zeus and the Pantheon of Greek Gods. Therefore, you don't believe that prometheus gave fire to mankind, that Ares' personal chariot is the Sun, and that storms are caused by the anger of the god Posieden.
Right now you are reading what I just wrote with disdain and scorn and mockery, as well you should, but now also understand that your explanation of creation is equally ridiculous to lightning bolts being Zeus' weapons.
Ancient man created supernatural forces to explain the world he found himself in because our brains are simply wired to find solutions and see patterns. Modern religion is simply an extension of that.
PS, this is your one free pass. If you learn nothing from this post, you are fair game. :hw: |
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| patcracker |
Which God created the universe? We have a shitload to choose from so let me know whcih one so I can pray to him.
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by Abba
"Sense" for who exactly? For the intellectually lazy? For those who don't care to find out the amazing irrefutable and proveable facts scientific inquiry has disvovered?
I'm gonna give you a pass here and explain this to you civilly.
Do you think you know EVERYTHING? I really doubt it. I also doubt that you've inquired as to what we've discovered through the scientific process, like Japanese AND American scientists recreating the formation of Amino Acids, the building blocks of life, from inorganic molecules.
I also doubt that you know about the laboratory recreation of the conditions in the 1000th's of a second AFTER the big bang.
You see, there are a MYRIAD of discoveries, peer reviewed, that explain a whole host of natural phenomena that previously resided within the purview of religious explanation, simply because there was no other way to expain them. However, thanks to the culmination of Mankind's reasoning through the millenia, we can now see religiously inspired explanations for what they really are; fabrications to explain the natural universe we live in.
Of course, for you, relating this to Christianity is anathema to everything you believe, so I'll give you a better example.
You don't, of course, believe in Zeus and the Pantheon of Greek Gods. Therefore, you don't believe that prometheus gave fire to mankind, that Ares' personal chariot is the Sun, and that storms are caused by the anger of the god Posieden.
Right now you are reading what I just wrote with disdain and scorn and mockery, as well you should, but now also understand that your explanation of creation is equally ridiculous to lightning bolts being Zeus' weapons.
Ancient man created supernatural forces to explain the world he found himself in because our brains are simply wired to find solutions and see patterns. Modern religion is simply an extension of that.
PS, this is your one free pass. If you learn nothing from this post, you are fair game. :hw: |
:bigclap::bigclap::bigclap:
Best two sentences in your post. Absolutely the way I feel.
I equated religion to magic however. In the dark ages, when Man couldn't explain things like gravity or other forces in the world, they used two catch-all phrases.... 'religion' and 'magic' to explain these forces.
But your right, we are saying the same thing. Mankind has always sought to explain the unexplainable, and when we can't find a reason for something, we dump it into a catch-all phrase like 'God did it'. |
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| nikkyo |
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
Proof That God Created the Universe
Creation Series
God Created The Universe | The Meaning Of Life | Is There A God
Find books on Creation from Christianbook
Yes, God Created The Universe
Creating
The actual creation of this world was a miracle not explained by natural phenomenon. Even for those that believe in evolution, they cannot take into account how life and matter got started. Evolution and the "Big Bang" theory have a supernatural, underlying assumption. That assumption being a supernatural power, God, had to set off the "big bang" and create the matter that was the source of the "big bang" and the start of evolution. God offers us in the Bible an explanation for the natural and supernatural that man-made doctrines do not adequately account for. The explanation being that God created the universe. I John 1:3 says, "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made". The Creation is the greatest miracle. God created all things - matter, life, and our own souls.
BIBLE SCRIPTURE: I John 1:3 says, "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made".
A Supernatural Act Occurred When God Created The Universe
Creating
When most people think of the universe around them they think of only natural phenomenon. We see the stars and we touch the Earth, but we do not sense with our five senses who created the universe. When God created the universe it was not a natural event, but a supernatural act of creation. As Hebrews 11:3 says, "...the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." The creation cannot be explained through natural phenomenon, but only through the supernatural act of our Creator.
BIBLE SCRIPTURE: Hebrews 11:3, "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."
God Is The Origin Of Life and Of Our Own Soul
Creating | Life
God created life and our own soul. The Bible provides the only adequate explanation of how life was formed and how our own soul was created. Genesis 2:7 says, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". Life and our own soul were not created by natural phenomenon. Matter did not create matter. Dust did not create dust. The creation of life was a supernatural act only explained in the Bible. God breath is the source of all life. Without God's breathe of life we are but "dust of the ground".
BIBLE SCRIPTURE: Genesis 2:7 says, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". |
I have one question. There seemed to be alot of miracles back in the days of Jesus. But now we don't see any. Why?
Red Sox winning in 2004 doesn't count as a miracle. |
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With primitive man it is above all fear that evokes religious notions- fear of hunger, wild beasts, sickness, death. Since at this stage of existence understanding of causal connections is usually poorly developed, the human mind creates illusory beings more or less analogous to itself on whose wills and actions these fearful happenings depend…Albert Einstein
Abba said the exact same thing but I like Einstein's explanation better. :D |
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| dj applebag |
| who created ther creator? how can the creator create himself? who created the creators creator, etc? there, think on that bitches. i'm dropping creation loads all over this thread!!! |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| Energy is God...It has always existed, it can not be created, it cannot be destroyed..everything that exists was made of it and nothing exists that is not made from it. |
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| Abba |
Quote: Originally posted by nikkyo
I have one question. There seemed to be alot of miracles back in the days of Jesus. But now we don't see any. Why?
Red Sox winning in 2004 doesn't count as a miracle. |
If you took an ancient, god-fearing man and transported him to 2007, he would think that airplanes are a miracle, that people living to almost 100 years is a miracle, that ketchup in packets is a miracle. |
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| Monster_Zero |
Quote: Originally posted by nikkyo
I have one question. There seemed to be alot of miracles back in the days of Jesus. But now we don't see any. Why?
Red Sox winning in 2004 doesn't count as a miracle. |
You don't consider the image of the Virgin Mary appearing on a toasted cheese sandwich a miracle? :confused: |
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| armyofbees |
| It's been my understanding belief in the bible was a matter of faith (belief in something without proof of it's existence). How is using an article of faith "proof" of anything (except one's ignorance)? |
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| Bronks Breasts |
| God is fiction. People who believe in that shit need to check into places where they can get help. |
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| m0tleyfan |
| to answer an earlier question i don't know for sure which god created the universe.i know which god i believe did but i'm not gonna be all high and mighty and act like i know for a fact.but science is conferming the bible more and more each day.for example hundereds of years ago people thought that the earth was flat but there is a verse in the bible that says the earth is round. |
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| Holy Elvis |
1000th's of a second AFTER the big bang.
key word is after...
what was before the big bang? |
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| Holy Elvis |
any of you morons think maybe both sides have some things right?
maybe its big bang theory and there is a God ..maybe we are Gods ant farm? |
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| jtheweirdo |
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
but science is conferming the bible more and more each day.for example hundereds of years ago people thought that the earth was flat but there is a verse in the bible that says the earth is round. |
What science is "conferming" (whatever that means) the bible?
And your example shows more of your ignorance. People hundreds of years ago, knew the earth was round. The greeks showed the earth was round thousands of years ago.
Oh and please tells us the verse in the bible the says the earth is round?
These are the great minds that support Bush. i wonder why these people can't see the problems with his administration. I'm the fool for wondering, these idiots believe in creationISM, it only makes sense that they believe everything their sheepherder tells them because they have zero ability to think logically. |
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| Halcyon |
| You don't think Terry Schiavo's higher brain function being shown by a slight twitch of an eye isn't a miracle? :rolleyes: |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by Holy Elvis
any of you morons think maybe both sides have some things right?
maybe its big bang theory and there is a God ..maybe we are Gods ant farm? |
Study M-Theory son. It's all there. |
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| nikkyo |
| Religion is useless. It leads to no practical invention. Its a concept that has no application. |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by nikkyo
Religion is useless. It leads to no practical invention. Its a concept that has no application. |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
to answer an earlier question i don't know for sure which god created the universe.i know which god i believe did but i'm not gonna be all high and mighty and act like i know for a fact.but science is conferming the bible more and more each day.for example hundereds of years ago people thought that the earth was flat but there is a verse in the bible that says the earth is round. |
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you asked for thr verse that says the earth is round in the bible,here it is
"It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE*
of the earth, and the inhabitants
thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the
heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent
to dwell in." --Isaiah 40:22 |
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| m0tleyfan |
plus if you look at other faiths they believe things like the earth is supported on a camels back and things like that.the bible also teaches that the earth is in space.
"He stretcheth out the north over the empty place,
and hangeth the earth upon nothing." Job 26:7 |
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| Halcyon |
| Are both of these quotes from the bible from the New testament or Old testament... |
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| m0tleyfan |
| both are old testament.what does that matter? it's in the bible |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
both are old testament.what does that matter? it's in the bible |
Because parts of the new testament were written as far late as the 5th century or 6th century...
All I'm saying is that... if it's a book of God's word, why did so many people feel the need to revise it so many times... I mean... if it's perfect, why did so many different people add to it, and why did it have to go through a major revision?
And if people can 'add' to this book of God's.... how do you know someone didn't add "hanging in space" and "sitteth on the CIRCLE" after the fact? |
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| m0tleyfan |
| like i said it's old testament.and there is no proof that anything was ever added in fact you can find old records that prove nothing was added |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
like i said it's old testament.and there is no proof that anything was ever added in fact you can find old records that prove nothing was added |
LAUGH!! Can you prove that? I mean, I've been thouroughly disappointed with ANYTHING you've EVER tried to prove before.
And in typical blinded fashion, you didn't get the point of my post.
If the Old testament was perfect, why then did it have to go through a major revision that people kept adding to well into the 5th century?
By the way, there's also NO proof that it was written from the word of GOD either.
But that doesn't stop a faithful like yourself from believing anything right? |
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| m0tleyfan |
| tell me how can you prove that it was re-written? |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
you asked for thr verse that says the earth is round in the bible,here it is
"It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE*
of the earth, and the inhabitants
thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the
heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent
to dwell in." --Isaiah 40:22 |
Or does it say it's flat?
Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)
Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)
And it is fixed in place:
"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)"
"The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed in majesty and is armed with strength. The world [The deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 93:1)"
"Say among the nations, "The LORD reigns." The world [Again, the deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established, it cannot be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 96:10)" |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
tell me how can you prove that it was re-written? |
Old testament.... New testament....
proven...
next? |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
Or does it say it's flat?
Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)
Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)
And it is fixed in place:
"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)"
"The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed in majesty and is armed with strength. The world [The deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 93:1)"
"Say among the nations, "The LORD reigns." The world [Again, the deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established, it cannot be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 96:10)" |
HEHEHE Fucking TT... always trying to spoil my fun... I was trying to disprove his theories one at a time... leave it to you to jump to the end and kill it!
Fucker! :D |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
HEHEHE Fucking TT... always trying to spoil my fun... I was trying to disprove his theories one at a time... leave it to you to jump to the end and kill it!
Fucker! :D |
Oops, didn't mean to wreck your fun, but this is just too easy! |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
HEHEHE Fucking TT... always trying to spoil my fun... I was trying to disprove his theories one at a time... leave it to you to jump to the end and kill it!
Fucker! :D |
In fact I hope he tries to refute some of this. I can play this game all night. |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by tourette_ticker
Oops, didn't mean to wreck your fun, but this is just too easy! |
I've decided that the God "RA" is the one true God... I mean... he came before God did... so why not? |
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| Halcyon |
Actually, I could argue that because the planets in our solar system were born during our Sun's birth phases, that the sun really IS our God....We really SHOULD worship the sun before anything else....
Maybe the Egyptians were on to something? |
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| m0tleyfan |
| the four corners is a phrase like if you were to say to a girl "i'd travel to the four corners of the earth to look for you.in fact i'll post the webpage that says the earth is round in the bible |
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Has someone told you "The Bible teaches the Earth is flat."?
YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THAT!
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The Bible teaches that the Earth is ROUND. The Bible also teaches in that the Earth is suspended in space. Here, check these passages out...
The Old Testament prophet ISAIAH (circa 700 B.C.) quotes as follows:
"It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE*
of the earth, and the inhabitants
thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the
heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent
to dwell in." --Isaiah 40:22
*Circle=Hebrew "chuwg",meaning "sphere"
In addition to that, Job (circa 1,800 B.C.)speaks of his Maker as follows:
"He stretcheth out the north over the empty place,
and hangeth the earth upon nothing." Job 26:7
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Be advised that we are in the closing days of an age predicted by the Hebrew prophets, and that DECEPTION is the first sign Jesus warns us of in describing these days in Matthew 24.
It's so easy to begin with a conclusion, then quote popular myths to back it up. The "myth" tag puts an end to searching, and learning suffers for it. How might this tendency effect our views of historical evidence concerning the Genesis Flood,? Historical evidence, carefully sifted, yields facts. Ask any trial lawyer.
[A fairly common response to this page will quote a passage from the Bible citing "..the four CORNERS of the earth.." (corresponding to the four compass points) as evidence that the Bible is "unscientific". Okay, so let's be fair: the next time you pick up your Nautical Almanac--a scientific book--notice how it uses the same style of phenomenological language when referring to "sunrise" and "sunset". There is nothing scientifically sinful about using figures of speech--poetry, really--to put a handle on an idea, making it easier to pack around. Believing the Nautical Almanac can save your life while at sea. Believing the Bible can likewise save your life, both in this age and in the one to come.]
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Why trust rumors? Look it up yourself...
For your convenience, I've posted Old Testament prophecies that you can read on site by hitting the following links. All the books of the Old Testament existed as a unit prior to 400 B.C., so read these prophecies and decide for yourself what the interpretation ought to be.
Old Testament prophecies fortelling the person and work of Christ...why not check it out?
Old Testament predictions of the scattering and regathering of Israel...history and modern geopolitics told in advance.
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The Bottom Line...
There were many carpenters in Israel when Jesus walked the Earth, but none were announced beforehand by prophecy spanning thousands of years. There have been many prophets, priests and kings throughout history. All are in their graves today except one: Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
We each give testimony to Christ's resurrection every time we write a check, sign an article or save a file, because we each time affix to it the DATE showing the number of days, months and years since the birth of Christ. Had Jesus not been raised from the dead, he'd have been denounced and forgotten,and we'd all be measuring time from some other event.
Add to this the testimony of Moses and the Prophets, who foretold this event (not to mention the restoration of Israel) and we have a problem: Jesus Christ is coming back, and there's nothing we can do to stop him. Now what?
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"He is no fool, who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose."
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved..."
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If you are interested in another view about the world you live in, contact:
Kent Hovind
c/o Creation Science
29 Cummings Rd.
Pensacola, FL 32503
or call: 1-904-479-DINO
Chuck Missler's Koinonia House website
This guy is amassing evidence from the Bible, science, nature, and the news, that we are on the cusp of change. This site is a tremendous resource for Christian apologetics. If you're wondering about UFOs, aliens and their agenda, this guy has written a book about it (order it at 888-77TRUTH). The "days of Noah" are upon us, as Jesus warned in Matthew 24:37-38. We are being inundated today with "alien" propaganda calculated to prepare the world for a "mass abduction" to explain away the Rapture (2 Thessalonians 2:7-12). Chuck's research on these issues points to the extra-dimensional character of the UFO phenomenon. The world is being set up to explain away the Rapture, when it happens.
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Further ancient testimony on the shape of the Earth.
(Just in case you thought the ROUND Earth was a minority opinion)
Luminaries past and present who know the Earth is round:
ARNE HERSTAD (whose website this is) knows the Earth is round because the Bible tells him so; but he also observed the Earth's round shadow passing over the Moon during a lunar eclipse, so science CAN play a supporting role in the gathering of knowledge!
CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS knew the Earth was round, as did the Icelanders he visited in 1482 (E. Oxenstierna).
RAVEN FLOKI knew also. When Raven Floki, the Faroese viking, set sail for Iceland, He took two or three crows with him, releasing them periodically to take bearings off their flight paths toward land. Had the world been flat, Raven Floki would have hired a priest for his voyage and left his crows at home. (The priest would have known, however, that the Earth is round, or he wouldn't have signed on for the trip.)
THE ALEUTS knew the world was round because two of their ancestors had left in youth, paddling their skin baidarkas in search of the end of the world. They returned old men, not having found it.
ERATOSTHESES OF ALEXANDRIA (c.276-c.194 B.C.), used geometry to measure the earth's circumference, so he knew also.
THE PYTHAGORIANS (sometime B.C.) knew the Earth was round. (Look it up yourself)
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
the four corners is a phrase like if you were to say to a girl "i'd travel to the four corners of the earth to look for you.in fact i'll post the webpage that says the earth is round in the bible |
This is a modern reinterpretation. The church long taught that the earth was flat as stated in the bible.
As Magellan said: "The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church." |
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| tourette_ticker |
One of my favorite quotes about religion:
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours" Stephen Roberts |
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| m0tleyfan |
| i don't dismiss any god i respect all faiths. tourette did you read all of what i just posted or did you just post? |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
i don't dismiss any god i respect all faiths. tourette did you read all of what i just posted or did you just post? |
You missed the point of my post, so I'm not sure how closely you read it. But I did try to read that jumble you posted. And I agree there were plenty of people outside the church who knew the earth was round, your point? |
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| m0tleyfan |
| my point is this was all after the bible was written so they knew the earth is round b4 them |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
my point is this was all after the bible was written so they knew the earth is round b4 them |
Yet the Church still insisted that the world was flat. Why? |
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| m0tleyfan |
| can you prove that the church said the world was flat?? |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
can you prove that the church said the world was flat?? |
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| m0tleyfan |
| halcyon you put a laugh smiley,yet you nor anyone else can prove the church thought the world was flat.i always bring proof you can't |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
can you prove that the church said the world was flat?? |
I can give you plenty of quotes like the one I posted by Magellan. Do you think he might know the thought of the time? I will dig up more, but you are incapable of believing it.
As Carl Sagan said: "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep-seated need to believe." |
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| m0tleyfan |
| huh? i've shown you a bunch of proof but you refuse to believe it.give me a quote from someone that belonged to the church at the time |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
halcyon you put a laugh smiley,yet you nor anyone else can prove the church thought the world was flat.i always bring proof you can't |
You bring nothing like proof, and I am not convinced you understand much of what you post.
So anyway:
...The Bible is, from Genesis to Revelation, a flat-earth book. ...While the Bible nowhere states categorically that the earth is flat, numerous Old Testament verses clearly show that the ancient Hebrews were flat-earthers. This comes through more clearly in modern translations such as the New English Bible, but it's clear enough in the King James Version. The Genesis creation story says the earth is covered by a vault (firmament) and that the celestial bodies move inside the vault. (See Genesis 1:6-8 and 1:17. Note that, even in KJV, while there are waters "above" the firmament, the celestial bodies are "in" it.) This makes no sense unless one assumes that the earth is essentially flat.
That the Hebrews considered the sun and moon to be small bodies near to the earth is clear from Joshua 10:12, which gives specific localities [geographic] in which they stood still. Isaiah 40:22 says that "God sits throned on the vaulted roof of earth, whose inhabitants are like grasshoppers." In the book of Job, Eliphaz the Temanite says God "walks to and fro on the vault of heaven.'' (Job 22:14. The KJV translators copped out on the last two verses, but in both cases the implications are clear.)
That the earth was considered essentially flat is clear from Daniel, who said, "I saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth; the tree grew and became strong, reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds." (Daniel 4:10-11) Only on a flat earth could one see a tree reaching the sky (dome?) from "the earth's farthest bounds."
The New Testament also implies a flat earth. For instance, Matthew 4:8 says that "The devil took him [Jesus] to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in their glory." From a sufficiently high mountain, one could see all of the kingdoms of the world"but only if the earth were flat. The same applies to Revelation 1:7, which says that at the second coming, "Every eye shall see him." Finally, Revelation 7:1 refers to "the four corners of the earth," and corners are not generally associated with spheres.
Actually, if you want a good picture of the hebrew conception of the earth, look in a Jewish encyclopedia under "cosmography." You might also want to read the so-called "Ethiopic" Book of Enoch, written perhaps 150 B.C. While not canonical, it's paraphrased or quoted a couple of times in the New Testament, so it was highly regarded in those days. Its flat earth implications are even stronger. |
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| m0tleyfan |
"It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE*
of the earth, and the inhabitants
thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the
heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent
to dwell in." --Isaiah 40:22 IT DOES SAY IT HERE THAT THE EARTH IS NOT FLAT |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
"It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE*
of the earth, and the inhabitants
thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the
heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent
to dwell in." --Isaiah 40:22 IT DOES SAY IT HERE THAT THE EARTH IS NOT FLAT |
Care to try to explain away my quotes then? Or is it just one of the many contradictions in the Holy Babel? |
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| Reverend Tyler |
If you really want to take the bible completely literally...
then why did God create ALL of space - the trillions and trillions of galaxies, suns, planets...perhaps even other universes, etc...all in ONE DAY!
But then it took another 5 days to work just on Earth? A small planet for a small sun in a small galaxy? |
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| iam72hrstv |
| The Big Bang is a theory which lacks enough proof to make it a fact. It is a theory. God can not be completely be proved to exsist. Belief in Science and God both require a leap of faith. |
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| m0tleyfan |
Does God Exist - Things to Consider
Once you're ready to ask the question, "does God exist?" here are a few observations to consider as you begin your search for an objective answer:
Discoveries in astronomy have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that the universe did, in fact, have a beginning. There was a single moment of creation.
Advances in molecular biology have revealed vast amounts of information encoded in each and every living cell, and molecular biologists have discovered thousands upon thousands of exquisitely designed machines at the molecular level. Information requires intelligence and design requires a designer.
Biochemists and mathematicians have calculated the odds against life arising from non-life naturally via unintelligent processes. The odds are astronomical. In fact, scientists aren't even sure if life could have evolved naturally via unintelligent processes. If life did not arise by chance, how did it arise?
The universe is ordered by natural laws. Where did these laws come from and what purpose do they serve?
Philosophers agree that a transcendent Law Giver is the only plausible explanation for an objective moral standard. So, ask yourself if you believe in right and wrong and then ask yourself why. Who gave you your conscience? Why does it exist?
People of every race, creed, color, and culture, both men and women, young and old, wise and foolish, from the educated to the ignorant, claim to have personally experienced something of the supernatural. So what are we supposed to do with these prodigious accounts of divine healing, prophetic revelation, answered prayer, and other miraculous phenomena? Ignorance and imagination may have played a part to be sure, but is there something more?
If your curiosity has been piqued and you desire to look into this matter further, we recommend that you consider the world's assortment of so-called Holy Books. If God does exist, has He revealed Himself? And if He has revealed Himself, surely He exists...
Learn more now! |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| so motley - why 5 days on earth but only one on the rest of the entire universe? And this was all 6,000 years ago, right? Were man and dinosaur knocking about? Or is that just an evil mind-trick by Satan to try and get us to disbelieve the Word Of God? |
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| m0tleyfan |
| what i posted is scientific.did u read it????????? |
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| Halcyon |
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| tourette_ticker |
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
what i posted is scientific.did u read it????????? |
What you posted proves that you don't know anything about science. |
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| tourette_ticker |
I can take this apart point by point and show you how very little you know about science.
But again you are incapable of understanding due to you need to believe.
Care to try to prove me wrong? Pick any of you points from above and let's discuss it. |
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| Reverend Tyler |
Quote: Originally posted by m0tleyfan
what i posted is scientific.did u read it????????? |
First Im not an atheist so dont assume that I am...but taking the Bible as literal is what is the problem, not believing in God. The Bible CANNOT be taken literally and rationally. it is impossible. |
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| iam72hrstv |
| It is pointless to argue matters of faith. Faith in Science and God rely on devout sheep who rarely question thier beliefs. Eventually all scientific facts and religious beliefs change, become simplified, and re-interpreted until disproving 'truth' becomes impossible in the minds of believers. |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler
First Im not an atheist so dont assume that I am...but taking the Bible as literal is what is the problem, not believing in God. The Bible CANNOT be taken literally and rationally. it is impossible. |
Good point... I think religion is useful to some people... people who take the teachings of God for what they are, and not for what they can 'get' out of it, and certainly not to be taken literally.
If you take it literally, there are TONS of contradictions in the bible itself.
m0tleyfan, the bible advocates inbreeding... do you agree with inbreeding? Even though science has taught us that inbreeding will produce defects and the like, the bible says we all came from a single couple (Adam and Eve) who were not brother/sister... but their kids ended up fucking each other, and they WERE brother and sister.... |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by iam72hrstv
It is pointless to argue matters of faith. Faith in Science and God rely on devout sheep who rarely question thier beliefs. Eventually all scientific facts and religious beliefs change, become simplified, and re-interpreted until disproving 'truth' becomes impossible in the minds of believers. |
An interesting postulate... which begs the question... who is right? I don't think in the grand scheme of life there is ever anyone who is 'RIGHT' or 'WRONG', I think the most important question to ask yourself in life is 'Do I feel like this is right for me' or 'Do I feel this is wrong for me'.
Being that no one can ever determine 'truth' of the universe as you say, all the can be done is to hold on to beliefs or truths that YOU determine are right for YOU.
I don't believe in God... but it doesn't mean my opinion is right.... and if there is a God, and I die... I'll stand before him/her..... and I'll have a lot of explaining to do.
But I lived my life on earth according to my beliefs and what I felt was the right way to act.... |
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| Abba |
Quote: Originally posted by Holy Elvis
1000th's of a second AFTER the big bang.
key word is after...
what was before the big bang? |
Wow, you must think you're SO clever, doncha??
Actually you're not, you proved my point for me, which actually makes me waaaay more clever than you.
Just because we don't know something YET (that's the operative word here) doesn't mean there isn't an explanation for it. 1000 years ago the Western World knew nothing of the America's, 300 years ago man knew nothing of radiation, 150 years ago flight was but a dream, and black holes never "existed" before a dew decades ago.
Why do you somehow think mankind knows all there is to know? |
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| nikkyo |
Quote: Originally posted by Holy Elvis
what was before the big bang? |
Inflationary universe |
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| nikkyo |
Quote: Originally posted by Halcyon
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Thats hilarious....brb....lol |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by nikkyo
Thats hilarious....brb....lol |
heheh... I stole both of those from another thread around here.. thought they were funny and topical for this thread |
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| nikkyo |
Quote: Originally posted by Monster_Zero
You don't consider the image of the Virgin Mary appearing on a toasted cheese sandwich a miracle? :confused: |
Okay, I'll give you that one. But I was looking for something on a grander scale. |
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| cecilturtle06 |
Wasn't sure what to make of this when reading the website, but I thought the website name was good for a chuckle or two.
http://www.godhatesglobes.com/ |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by cecilturtle06
Wasn't sure what to make of this when reading the website, but I thought the website name was good for a chuckle or two.
http://www.godhatesglobes.com/ |
"The bible goes on to say in the book of Joshua chapter 10 that the sun rotates around the Earth, for in verse 12 Joshua prays for more sunlight in order to slaughter the Amorites and the lord commands the sun to stand still and not the earth."
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