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| Luther |
http://www.freemarketnews.com/World...?nid=41921&fb=1
Ron Paul, CIA, to Rebut Giuliani at Press Confab, May 24
Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - FreeMarketNews.com
Presidential candidate Ron Paul (R-TX) will be joined by Michael Scheuer, former head of the CIA's Bin Laden Unit, to discuss flawed American foreign policy and its implications on terrorism, security and Iraq.
The press conference will be held at 9:30AM EST on Thursday, May 24 in the National Press Club Lisagor Room.
During the "First in South" GOP debate, earlier this month, Dr. Paul stated that 50 years of interventionism in the Middle East is a significant motivating tool for radical Islamists. Dr. Paul's position, though disparaged during the debate, has since received backing from numerous individuals, including others in the GOP, administration officials and - in excerpted reports - from the 9-11 Commission itself.
In the debate, Rudy Giuliani, a presidential candidate and well-known former Republican mayor of New York, called Dr. Paul's position "absurd." Giuliani is commonly characterized as a GOP "front-runner." He is also considered well-versed in foreign policy, given his supervision of the "international city" of New York and his position as its leader during 9/11. However, he stated that he had "never heard such an explanation" as Ron Paul's.
According to a limited-circulation release, Dr. Paul and Mr. Scheuer are expected to explain why Rudy Giuliani is wrong on security and foreign policy and provide documentation about the unintended consequences of interventionism - known to many in the intelligence (and Dr. Paul as well) as "blowback." |
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| Halcyon |
| Guiliani gets owned every time he opens his mouth on TV. |
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| salafibrigades |
| This will be on CSPAN I presume |
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| Abba |
Quote: Originally posted by salafibrigades
This will be on CSPAN I presume |
I don't know, but the networks should break into regularly scheduled programming to carry it. |
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| Halcyon |
This is why Ron Paul is to be trusted.... Most candidates would have let Guiliani say some shit about them, and after the debate, left it right there and never brought it back up again. Paul decided he needs to shove Guiliani's rediculous comments during the debate right up his ass and NOT let Guiliani get away with filibustering.
I fucking love it. Nothing makes me happier than watching Guiliani get buried by his bullshit... and from a CIA agent too. |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by Abba
I don't know, but the networks should break into regularly scheduled programming to carry it. |
Fox will ignore this completely... and the rest of the 'liberal media' doesn't care what republican candidates do |
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| VacateTheWord |
Giuiani will have a response for Dr. Paul, you better believe.
But it won't be buried on C-Span - CNN has debates coming up in early June. I hope Rudy verbally kicks Dr. Paul up and down the stage that night with his isolationist bullshit.
Where was Ron Paul on 9/11 - hiding under his desk? |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Giuiani will have a response for Dr. Paul, you better believe.
But it won't be buried on C-Span - CNN has debates coming up in early June. I hope Rudy verbally kicks Dr. Paul up and down the stage that night with his isolationist bullshit.
Where was Ron Paul on 9/11 - hiding under his desk? |
And YOU forget that had there been mayoral elections on 9/10/01, Rudy would have had his ass kicked right out the fucking door.
As usual, your silly Republican ass mistakes strutting around ACTING like a leader with ACTUAL leadership.
Maybe you can point out for us some SPECIFIC things Rudy did to LEAD on 9/11/01? I mean other than choosing to put the city's command center in the same building that had already been attacked once and threatened many times. I mean other than FAILING to solve the communications problems the first responders had because he was trying to make money off the deal.... |
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| salafibrigades |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
Maybe you can point out for us some SPECIFIC things Rudy did to LEAD on 9/11/01? I mean other than choosing to put the city's command center in the same building that had already been attacked once and threatened many times. I mean other than FAILING to solve the communications problems the first responders had because he was trying to make money off the deal.... |
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| Luther |
The following is a letter from Michael F. Scheuer, former Chief of the CIA’s Osama bin Laden Unit, to the editor of Antiwar.com, regarding Congressman Ron Paul’s exchange with Rudy Giuliani about why the al Qaeda network has targeted the United States.
Sir,
In the dozen-plus years I have been active in matters relating to Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, I have watched them go from a small Islamist organization to a worldwide insurgent movement, while bin Laden has established himself as the primary source of inspiration and leadership for tens of millions of Muslim Islamists. This process has been made possible by two things: (a) the skill, courage, patience, and ruthlessness of bin Laden and his ilk, and (b) the refusal of the U.S. government to understand the motivation of bin Laden and his allies.
Last week, Representative Paul did all Americans an immense service by simply pointing out the obvious: Our Islamist enemies do not give a damn about the way we vote, think, or live. Though any country they ruled would surely not look like ours, they are motivated by the belief that U.S. foreign policy is an attack on Islam, its lands, and its believers. This, of course, is not to say that America is to blame for the war it is now engaged in, but it is to say that it is foolish – and perhaps fatal – for Americans to believe that are we are being attacked for such ephemera as primary elections, R-rated movies, and gender equality. If our Islamist enemies were motivated by such things their numbers would be minuscule and they would be a sporadic lethal nuisance, not, as they are, the most serious national security threat we face today.
Of the eighteen presidential candidates now in the field from both parties, only Mr. Paul has had the courage to square with the average American voter. We are indeed hated and being warred against because we are “over there,” and not for what we are and how we live. Our failure to recognize the truth spoken by Mr. Paul – and spelled out for us in hundreds of pages of statements by Osama bin Laden since 1996 – is leading America toward military and economic disaster.
At day’s end, Mr. Paul has at least temporarily shaken the pillars of the bipartisan consensus on U.S. foreign policy. Neither party, and none of the candidates, want to discuss the Islamists’ motivation because they would have to deal with energy policy, support for Israel, and the 50-year record of U.S. support and protection for Arab tyrannies. These holy cows of U.S. politics have long been off limits to debate, but Mr. Paul has now accurately identified them as the source of motivation for our Islamist enemies, and implicitly has said that the obsessive interventionism of both parties has inspired al-Qaeda and its allies to kill 7,000-plus U.S. civilians and military personnel since 11 September 2001. The war we are engaged in with the Islamists is a long way from over, but it need end in America’s defeat only if Mr. Paul’s frank statements are ignored.
And no matter how you view Mr. Paul’s words, you can safely take one thing to the bank. The person most shaken by Mr. Paul’s frankness was Osama bin Laden, who knows that the current status quo in U.S. foreign policy toward the Islamic world is al-Qaeda’s one indispensable ally, and the only glue that provides cohesion between and among the diverse and often fractious Islamist groups that follow its banner.
Respectfully,
Michael F. Scheuer
Falls Church, VA |
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| VacateTheWord |
Quote: Originally posted by Ass Boil
And YOU forget that had there been mayoral elections on 9/10/01, Rudy would have had his ass kicked right out the fucking door.
As usual, your silly Republican ass mistakes strutting around ACTING like a leader with ACTUAL leadership.
Maybe you can point out for us some SPECIFIC things Rudy did to LEAD on 9/11/01? I mean other than choosing to put the city's command center in the same building that had already been attacked once and threatened many times. I mean other than FAILING to solve the communications problems the first responders had because he was trying to make money off the deal.... |
Rudy earned his bona fides as Mayor of NY before 9/11. He made major reforms that transformed the city, all for the better. As for 9/11 itself, perhaps you missed the footage of Mr. Giuliani guiding people in the streets.
As for the lame "he didn't move the offices after the 1993 attacks" - the main command center was moved to WTC7 so that it could coordinate with the other agencies that were housed there (FBI, CIA, and a few that cannot be mentioned). There was a second command center to fall back on (whereabouts classified), but Rudy thought it better to be a presence on the streets amidst all of the chaos so that he could better direct the people of his city to safety. The "he had nowhere to go" smear that's been going around is bullshit - they have more than one command center in NYC. |
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| Fdubya247 |
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Vacate is with out a doubt the dumbest Cunt on the P&N board...(but its very close)...
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Rudy earned his bona fides as Mayor of NY before 9/11. He made major reforms that transformed the city, all for the better. As for 9/11 itself, perhaps you missed the footage of Mr. Giuliani guiding people in the streets.
As for the lame "he didn't move the offices after the 1993 attacks" - the main command center was moved to WTC7 so that it could coordinate with the other agencies that were housed there (FBI, CIA, and a few that cannot be mentioned). There was a second command center to fall back on (whereabouts classified), but Rudy thought it better to be a presence on the streets amidst all of the chaos so that he could better direct the people of his city to safety. The "he had nowhere to go" smear that's been going around is bullshit - they have more than one command center in NYC. |
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: |
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| Halcyon |
Quote: Originally posted by Luther
The following is a letter from Michael F. Scheuer, former Chief of the CIA’s Osama bin Laden Unit, to the editor of Antiwar.com, regarding Congressman Ron Paul’s exchange with Rudy Giuliani about why the al Qaeda network has targeted the United States.
Sir,
In the dozen-plus years I have been active in matters relating to Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, I have watched them go from a small Islamist organization to a worldwide insurgent movement, while bin Laden has established himself as the primary source of inspiration and leadership for tens of millions of Muslim Islamists. This process has been made possible by two things: (a) the skill, courage, patience, and ruthlessness of bin Laden and his ilk, and (b) the refusal of the U.S. government to understand the motivation of bin Laden and his allies.
Last week, Representative Paul did all Americans an immense service by simply pointing out the obvious: Our Islamist enemies do not give a damn about the way we vote, think, or live. Though any country they ruled would surely not look like ours, they are motivated by the belief that U.S. foreign policy is an attack on Islam, its lands, and its believers. This, of course, is not to say that America is to blame for the war it is now engaged in, but it is to say that it is foolish – and perhaps fatal – for Americans to believe that are we are being attacked for such ephemera as primary elections, R-rated movies, and gender equality. If our Islamist enemies were motivated by such things their numbers would be minuscule and they would be a sporadic lethal nuisance, not, as they are, the most serious national security threat we face today.
Of the eighteen presidential candidates now in the field from both parties, only Mr. Paul has had the courage to square with the average American voter. We are indeed hated and being warred against because we are “over there,” and not for what we are and how we live. Our failure to recognize the truth spoken by Mr. Paul – and spelled out for us in hundreds of pages of statements by Osama bin Laden since 1996 – is leading America toward military and economic disaster.
At day’s end, Mr. Paul has at least temporarily shaken the pillars of the bipartisan consensus on U.S. foreign policy. Neither party, and none of the candidates, want to discuss the Islamists’ motivation because they would have to deal with energy policy, support for Israel, and the 50-year record of U.S. support and protection for Arab tyrannies. These holy cows of U.S. politics have long been off limits to debate, but Mr. Paul has now accurately identified them as the source of motivation for our Islamist enemies, and implicitly has said that the obsessive interventionism of both parties has inspired al-Qaeda and its allies to kill 7,000-plus U.S. civilians and military personnel since 11 September 2001. The war we are engaged in with the Islamists is a long way from over, but it need end in America’s defeat only if Mr. Paul’s frank statements are ignored.
And no matter how you view Mr. Paul’s words, you can safely take one thing to the bank. The person most shaken by Mr. Paul’s frankness was Osama bin Laden, who knows that the current status quo in U.S. foreign policy toward the Islamic world is al-Qaeda’s one indispensable ally, and the only glue that provides cohesion between and among the diverse and often fractious Islamist groups that follow its banner.
Respectfully,
Michael F. Scheuer
Falls Church, VA |
:bigclap::bigup::bigclap::bigup:
Why does the CIA hate America? :giggle: |
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| Ass Boil |
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord
Rudy earned his bona fides as Mayor of NY before 9/11. He made major reforms that transformed the city, all for the better. As for 9/11 itself, perhaps you missed the footage of Mr. Giuliani guiding people in the streets.
As for the lame "he didn't move the offices after the 1993 attacks" - the main command center was moved to WTC7 so that it could coordinate with the other agencies that were housed there (FBI, CIA, and a few that cannot be mentioned). There was a second command center to fall back on (whereabouts classified), but Rudy thought it better to be a presence on the streets amidst all of the chaos so that he could better direct the people of his city to safety. The "he had nowhere to go" smear that's been going around is bullshit - they have more than one command center in NYC. |
Bwaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
He "guided people in the streets"?
Was he the Mayor or a fucking crossing guard?
If that's the best you can do, I accept your full surrender.....
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| Fdubya247 |
He was out in the streets like any civilian because he didn't have a command center to go to...
...heckuva job, Rudy! |
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| Monster_Zero |
WILL this be on CSPAN? Anyone know?
I would love to see it... :) |
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| Luther |
Quote: Originally posted by Monster_Zero
WILL this be on CSPAN? Anyone know?
I would love to see it... :) |
Probably not live, but it will eventually become available. |
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| otherone4life |
| the MSM won't give Paul a fair shake |
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